Now that the autistic screeching has settled what does /m/ think

>>15399376
Okayish. Good thing is it ended conclusively.
They never explained Mika spacing out those time when he chocked Gali and the MA activated.

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>>15399376

My biggest complaint, especially about the last few episodes: Kimaris Vidar didn't use its dainsleif system at all... When the system could easily have been made into the awesome rapier spikes from Vidar.

Those extendable shields would have been perfect to hold the spare tips instead of the hip storage from Vidar.

Instead they wasted the idea on a stupid big lance that served no purpose, with a system they never used at all.

Other than that, the series was fine. Had some decent one shot moments of forced emotion that worked well enough, and had a few pretty cool moments... but the plot wasn't good overall, and relied too heavily on Barbatos and Mika for advancing things.

>>15399376
I liked it

7/10

>>15399442
That lance looks like wooly dildo to be honest, F.A.m

>>15399376
Did not need S2.

>>15399390
>ended conclusively.
>Ride a edgylord
>No Showed a grow up Almiria
>Evil mechanic has data of Mika and guts Gundam frames
Just a bait for a impossible s3.

>>15399376
Are you serious OP? I liked the show, but you call it autistic screeching when your only complaints about the show is relationship crap.

>>15399376
Dropped it 8 episodes into S1. Doubt I pick it back up any time soon.

>>15399740
> Evil mechanic has data of Mika and guts Gundam frames

Source? I thought she just reminted the bael.

>>15399376
It's shit.

>>15399376
I just couldn't watch the show
I've tried, but I just cannot make it through the escort mission without wanting to switch off the show
Shame because it has so many cool concepts like garmas revenge or melee combat

S1 was shit

S2 was above average

I guess it was worth it

It had a lot of problems, but while it did many things badly it did many things very well. Overall I enjoyed it, the only part of the show that just was plain boring was in the middle of S1 where I did drop and pick up the show briefly. S2 while it had problems was entertaining from start to finish.

It's probably my favourite AU. I'm generally a UC-fag that thinks most AUs are shit, but IBO actually did things differently and had its own identity. Rather than just feeling like a second rate rehash toy commercial.

>>15399376
>what does /m/ think about Iron Blooded Orphans?
Problems are every level of the production resulting in a low quality show.

>I really didn't like the fact the Merribit got BLACKED at least twice. I honestly wished she was carrying Orga's babies instead it would of been proper and Akihiro should of been kissed by Lafter before she got shot down like Tupac and I am worried that Almiria is going to grow up with no husband or have one that isn't a Macky clone
Who let some retarded animesuki shipper make a thread?

>>15400139
>S2 was above average
kek
>>15400152
>it did many things very well
I got nothing
>but IBO actually did things differently and had its own identity. Rather than just feeling like a second rate rehash toy commercial.
I'm not sure are IBOfags are deluded or generally stupid

Kudelia is Pregnant!
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-04-04/gundam-iron-blooded-orphans-yuka-terasaki-announces-marriage-pregnancy/.114300

>>15400677

Good post.

Do you feel a chronic need to shit on others for liking things you don't?

>>15400684
Yes because I know they won't have a rebuttal

>>15399390
I'd assume he was in awe with that thing's power, and the second time he looked more out to kill because he thought Gali hurt Cookie and Cracker.
>>15399376
Wasted MS designs and screentime felt wasted for a lot of characters where their arcs weren't properly done or dropped. Shit with a whole lot of nothing like Dort or space in S1 or just not utilising things brought up like concept of Mobile Armours in S2.
Fight scenes were honestly a low point, poor animation and for the whole Melee thing, it felt that beamspam was just replaced with Mika smashing everything or later Dansleifs being used. The MA fight and Galieo v McGillis were my only favourites.
It was eh, not the worst but I couldn't really enjoy it by the end.
S2 could've been condensed better than it was now.

>>15399442
Another thing that bugs me was the Kimaris Vidar vs Bael fight.

When Gaelio first broke out AV-E in Vidar while briefly fighting Mika, he frankly seemed to be moving faster than the murder midget and had the advantage. Seriously he literally teleported behind him and kicked him, and was dodging everything. Just like when he beat Graze Ein, Mika probably would of had to overclock to keep up.

Then he gets Kimaris Vidar, which has more dakka and is specialized for space combat, and is supposed to be this beast of a modern Gundam with the best AV system, and barely beats McGillis who's not as good as a pilot as Mika and is in a 300 year old suit with no modern upgrades and whose only gimmick is higher than average speed and mobility.

What gives?

Does anyone else feel like the mobile suit designs were too complex for their animation budget?
A lot of the time the mobile suits look like blobs when moving.

>>15400801
>McGillis who's not as good as a pilot as Mika
McGillis is a better pilot than Mika. Didn't he hold Mika back in a non-Gundam suit without AV back in Season 1, right?

>>15400810

McGillis has all of two meaningful fights in the entire show, when he faces Gaelio for the last time and when he uses the Schwalbe Graze, and he didn't 'hold Mika back' so much as he shot his thrusters a few times because of a lack of awareness on his part.

>>15400810
At that point in time, yes, McGillis was the more skilled and experienced MS Pilot. Mika made it through most fights in a junky scrap Gundam purely because he had 3 Alien Vagina implants.

But by Season 2? Lolno. Mika had grown as a fighter, and the only character whose AV connection (normally) exceeded his own was Ein. Even with AV, Mika was still stronger than McGillis by then.

>>15399376
Horrible writing starting from the Hashmal fight.
Tekkadan sidelined.
Lacking exposition with explaining the political and economic situation within the solar system.
A story reliant on the stupidity on the part of the characters (Orga, Iok, etc.).
Meaningless deaths that were arguably just there for the shock factor.
Little to no parallels drawn between the chocoman and meatdude teams, and the latter were just there in the story as convenient enemies.
Mythical motifs were mostly in name only.

I understand where the story was trying to get to, but the writers were simply terrible getting to that goal.

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IBO is probably the first AU for me where almost all the MS designs were great. It wasn't hit or miss for me like Seed/Destiny's gundamfest or AD's weirder S2 designs (Ahead, Gaga, come to mind). Pretty much every design stuck with me someway.

The Gundam frames are all solid designs (Although Bael is pretty vanilla and it took a while for Full City to grow on me compared to the Rebake). The only one that doesn't look good is Dantalion, and that's partially due to the face, skeltal body, and looking nothing like the rest of the Gundams due to not being designed by Ippei Gyoubu.

Despite being shilled like crazy in the first season, the Graze is still a pretty solid grunt suit, and I'd put it in a list for top 5 Zaku-clones (Behind the Leo, Tieren/Union Flag, and Den'an Zon). Graze Ein is sex, even if he didn't actually kill anyone. I've got a chainsword fetish too so Reginglaze Julia is alright too, even if it's a bit too busy for my tastes.

Hugo is a great suit design and I'm upset it's sole use was to job to Mika in the first few episodes of S2. Easily my favorite suit from the show along with the Gilda and Geirail.

>>15400887
>Graze is still a pretty solid grunt suit, and I'd put it in a list for top 5 Zaku-clones
>Graze
>A Zaku Clone
It's a GM-clone, so was the Leo. Only thing that comes close to looking Zeekish are the Rodis

It's really hard for me to give a definitive opinion.

I think the biggest thing for me right now is the ending. It was the ending the show needed because of the way it played out over the course of two seasons, but the way the show played out is a major problem.

> Everyone has plot armor as needed for the story to progress
> The plot of bends to support the story, rather than playing out naturally
> Underutilized mobile suits all around
> Padded scenes to meet the required runtime. Sometimes augmented by repetitive scenes and info dumps
> Depicting important battles as flashbacks, ruining any sort of tension.
> Bloated cast of characters


And there's one of my biggest things, the show wants the audience to get caught up in Tekkadan's jingoism. After all, Nagai said he thought they were going down the wrong path at the end of s1 but the audience shouldn't think so. It wants the audience to cheer them on when they make the wrong decisions or perform questionable acts, and even in the end it keeps them in a rather romanticized light. I didn't like this so much during the show itself, since I felt if they were trying to make Tekkadan the baddies they should be depicted in an increasingly harsh light as the series went on, but the finale made it work. It highlighted the whole thing wasn't as black-and-white as the show presented itself as, and the scene with Ride works to provide one final look at the long term effects of Tekkadan's mindset.

It's almost like the movie version of Starship Troopers really.

In the end, IBO is a mixed bag for me. The ending makes it work but the journey there was a chore. I want to give it a 7/10 for the attempt at something interesting, 7.5 if I'm really generous, but the most I can give IBO as a whole is a 6.5/10.

>>15400681
Murder hobo got that god cack

Breaking the fourth wall

>>15399376
I enjoyed it thoroughly but it was too long and drawn out. Had the over arching plot been condensed into 30-35 tight episodes, the pacing would have been way better. 50 episodes works for something like g reco where the world building is larger in scope and there's more to discover.

>>15400803
Ya thats one of the biggest problems that ibo suffered. I wouldnt have mind if they toned down the designs of some of the gundams so it would look better animated

>>15399376
Even though getting through the show was sort of a chore to the point of almost dropping it, the ending was VERY satisfying. Probably the first time in gundam where the protagonist's side actually loses, well maybe they didnt actually lose since it seemed like they were able to form a compromise with gallajhorn at the final scene but still a much needed break from the usual main guy has an asspull and demolishes all the badguys thing that made me hate s1

>>15400909
It's a Zaku-expy because it has a Zaku-like model number (EB-06), the standard color scheme is green, and is armed with a 120mm machine gun for ranged combat and an axe for melee. It also shares the exact same height as the Zaku (17.8m tall). There is also an older type of Graze with the model number EB-05 that is meant to resemble the relationship between the Zaku I and II.

>>15401652
They also have that Monoeye too.
What would you say the Graze Ein and Reginlaze are expies of?

>>15401660
Psycho Zaku and HMT/ACT.

>>15399376
I liked the entire series.
There are a couple of small things that I'd fix if I were in charge of the BD release or whatever, but not much. Move the scene where Akihiro remembers his little brother to at least two episodes before he shows up. Replace that one weird Hanna Barbera looking shot of the ManRodi "moving" toward the screen and throwing a grenade at nothing in the final OP, but that's really about it.

Kinda bugged that we never found out what the fuck was happening in that alley when Mika and Orga first met. They flashed back to Mika shooting whoever that guy was SO many times that you'd think they would have explained it sooner or later.

But other than those rather small gripes, I thought it was great.

>>15399376
S2 was better than S1, which hasn't happened since Zeta, and the ending was just a few deaths away from making Tomino blush.

Overall is was bretty gud I hope the movie doesn't fuck it up.

>>15399806
I really is one of those shows that doesn't get good until ep 13. And that's why it's so bad.

>>15400954
Good post.
What I find interesting is that, judging by some reactions at least, some of the viewers who got swept up in Tekkadan's charisma never really realised it even at the end of the series. Whether that's the staff not doing a good enough job showing the dark side of Tekkadan, if they pushed Tekkadan's point of view too hard, or if some people are just more susceptible to being caught up in jingoism than others is probably something worth discussion. I also appreciate that you pointed out the padding in some episodes because I also think it has the opposite problem too, in that in some episodes they rush an ending with an exposition dump just to fit the story they wanted to tell into one episode, especially at the beginning and end of arcs. Maybe cutting a couple of arcs and lengthening others would have improved their episode managenent.

The plot armor, I feel, is used strategically. They use it in the first season with Tekkadan surviving to give viewers that latch on emotionally to Tekkadan the same sort of overconfidence and sense of invincibility that they felt and in the second season to build the audiences grudge against the Gjallarhorn soldiers to make Tekkadan's loss more bitter so that Ride's mistakes in the epilogue are less apparent. Gaelio surviving was more of an offense in my opinion. I like the character and really like the subplot with he and McGillis so I can forgive it, but they really should have gave it an interesting explanation, like making McGillis be subconsciously unable to kill his friend, or anything really.

I agree that they bit off more than they could chew when it comes to cast members too, and I especially think it hurt Akihiro's subplot. They didn't show anything of Aston and the other human debris children in the first season and Akihiro came off as a little dull. I think if they cut some of the Turbine members out that they could have spent more time on Akihiro's relationship with his adopted brothers.

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>>15399376
I'm with you on Merribit.
I found her interaction with Orga to be cute.
And in the end it was kinda weird that the cool charismatic leader had no love interest, while two women were fawning over a guy with the charm of a potted plant.

Hell, they could have handed Kudelia off to him, for the literal nothing that came out of her kiss with Mika.

>>15399376
All the fights felt lack luster,no world building,even though many episodes were filled with dialogues.Final episode felt rushed,
>>15402036
I thought the mechanic was with secretary....

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>>15402046
Yeah, in S2.
In S1 they kept teasing her and Orga getting together up to them almost holding hands at one point.

The suddenly she's together with mechanic dude in S2. The show even pokes fun at this sudden switch via Chad.

Continued from
>>15402012
Despite these flaws I really liked the show as a whole and think they pulled off some extremely difficult things really well. Mikazuki despite, or prehaps because of, having a very simple character was able to convey both how much being an orphan and child soldier can take from a person as well as how someone in his situation can cling to war as a crutch out of fear of not being able to live day to day life, like he confessed to Atra. And while he was only able to frow in baby step how he did grow was very interesting. Being able to comfort Hush while he was dying on the battlefield is something he sould have never been able to do at the start of the series and shows that he has gained more respect for the feelings if others. I also think that how Mika had to be taught how to show affection properly is important to show just how bleak the situation for people who've lived lives as child soldiers can be.

I appreciate that while the story is tragic they kept the overall tone optimistic and never went as dark as they could have with the setting. They could have used the Brewers or the early episodes in the CGS to push some of the darker realities of child soldiers like them being encouraged to rape and loot by the adults running the groups and the struggles of having to live with themselves after. I feel that even if scenes like that would be interesting that they would distract from the message of the show and I think it was a good show of restraint on the writer's part.

>>15399442

Isurugi never used the horns on the Helmwige. The Horns can be flipped horizontally and charged with electricity to ram into enemy MS but it never used it once.

This is the Susanowo's ring weapon all over again.

>>15400954
>but the finale made it work.
It didn't. A big problem with the finale is that its just too happy and everything works out too well. Had it ended in a status quo sort of deal where nothing changed than it would have worked because it would have shown that Tekkadan's efforts were for naught and that their fall from grace lead to their demise and infamy in the eyes in the public but the epilogue ruins it. Ride rejecting the peaceful life Tekkadan fought for is the only good thing about it because it actually showed that Tekkadan's influence didn't benefit everyone but at the same time its negated by the fact that he killed that fat fuck from Nobliss who is just a horrible human being so you can't help but be satisfied at the result, had it be someone like Gaelio it would have been more effective because we know that he isn't a bad person but he was responsible for the deaths of Ride's comrades as well and that would have made it so much stronger.

>It's almost like the movie version of Starship Troopers really.
Nah Starship Troopers was much more effective because you got to care about the characters, got engrossed in the setting and see how truly fucked up they all were and the best part of it is that they didn't try to sugar coat it; there's no peace treaty, the young impressionable cast are fighting the good fight like their ancestors and everything feels so melancholic. IBO feels like the end to Rogue One in which a bunch of characters you never grew attached to died predictable deaths and you're expected to still care for some reason even though everything is fine.

>>15402163
>>Despite these flaws I really liked the show as a whole and think they pulled off some extremely difficult things really well. Mikazuki despite, or prehaps because of, having a very simple character was able to convey both how much being an
And I think you're a fucking idiot.

>>15402012
>some of the viewers who got swept up in Tekkadan's charisma never really realised it even at the end of the series.
The biggest issue with this show is that you can't give a shit about Tekkadan so their actions don't really matter. In a way its the same problem Wing and 00 had where the show tries to portray what the characters do in a bad light but by the end winds up romanticizing them as "heroes". IBO is the opposite in that in the end it doesn't really have anything of meaning to say since they destroyed their "tragedy" by essentially making Tekkadan get what they want in the epilogue and by essentially making them entirely selfless through the course of the story, in any other fall from grace story you blatantly show the destructive nature of the protagonist leading him down a path based on promise of grandeur it feels like the staff were too afraid to do with with Tekkadan and what essentially happens in the last few episodes is them getting everyone out and sacrificing themselves in order for them to live on and have better lives and this pretty much destroys what Nagai was saying you can condemn your characters actions but have they succeed anyways you actually have to show that their struggles didn't amount to anything.

>The plot armor, I feel, is used strategically. They use it in the first season with Tekkadan surviving to give viewers that latch on emotionally to Tekkadan the same sort of overconfidence and sense of invincibility that they felt and in the second season to build the audiences grudge against the Gjallarhorn soldiers to make Tekkadan's loss more bitter so that Ride's mistakes in the epilogue are less apparent.
No this is just horseshit especially where it took a fucking bombardment to finally takeout Mika in the final episode, they really didn't know what the hell they were doing throughout the show hence all those fakeouts in the first season finale.

>>15401633
>Probably the first time in gundam where the protagonist's side actually loses
So in case if it wasn't obvious already IBOfags are filled with newshits?

Anyone finds it funny that IBOfags can never say what the show did well?

>>15401633
But the asspull did happen. Where you not watching he literally did the asspull while dead using va system to kill Al the badies,and then his concious nes died in VA and the bad guys"won" even thought everyone escaped,and they delayed it enough for the escape.

>>15402135
I don't see IBO as a fall from grace story but as a story about setting off on the wrong path from the very beginning with a hopeful end where some of their members are able ro put their past behind them and live life where they don't have to kill to survive. To me their tragedy is that they keep choosing to be soldiers when they don't have to, that they never try to run from their situation.

>>15402201
Music and MS designs.
There.
>>15401633
This isn't really a Zeta show, dudes got off lightly for what went down and had good lives after at the cost of their original lives and lots of lives. Even the antagonist was forced to change somewhat to keep his position as a result of the show.

>>15402204
I do

>>15402233
>To me their tragedy is that they keep choosing to be soldiers when they don't have to
Except they did in order to survive because they were human debris with no rights or hope and its because they remained soldiers is why the remnants can live on and enjoy their new lives so they never have to walk the same path again

>>15399376
Good show, bad nonsensical ending

>>15402246
>Even the antagonist was forced to change somewhat to keep his position as a result of the show.
If only they showed this in the actual show

>>15399376
you are way too involves in the romantic subplots

>>15399376
1)

IBO has some new (and refreshing, for me) changes for a Gundam TV series.

1- The main characters were the bad guys all along. Unlike Wing or 00, where at the end they turned out to be good-nature entities with ideals of peace and understanding.
Orga, Mika and Tekkadan guys were broken people who only had "survival" on their minds. They didn't care about peace, Mars' independece or money (that's why they didn't know what to do with it).
Deep inside their only thought was survival, because deep inside they knew there wasn't a place for them.
That's why Orga's last monologue was about "keep going" ("survive" in a sense), and Mikazuki's last speech was literary "Survive".
When humans want to survive, they may be able to make the most atrocious things. And when they do that, they become more and more broken.
That's what happened to Tekkadan.

2- The Gundam (the mobile suit itself) always represents salvation/the power that will end war, but it's not like that in IBO.
Barbatros was the enemy, the "face" of the devil and took Tekkadan to nowhere and save nothing.
It was an example of undirected power.

3- The princess here is an idealist with double moral standards (just like other Princesses in other Gundam series), and she's aware of this (unlike other Princesses in other Gundam series).
She wanted prosperity for Mars, wanted to help orphans in poverty, etc, but to do so, she needed to ask for help to the mafia.
She played adult world's game wisely and got what she wanted.
...

>>15399376
>>15406909
2)

4- Thank God the world was in the hands of adults at the end! I can't help it but to feel weird when in some Gundam series the world is in the hands of adolescents. (Seed and Destiny, Wing, Turn A, G-Reconguista, Unicorn...)
I know it's fiction and you can do whatever you want but... Hell! They didn't know what to do with their lives 5 episodes ago and then they're a Country Representative/Member of some World Council. But IBO said: Fuck that! It's not possible for a teenager run a Country/Colonies/World Organization. And they had only adults as World Leaders (Kudelia's still young, but at least she's 20++ and not 17/18).

The first season was BORING to death, but the second was a lot better.
I think I liked IBO, overall.
7/10

>>15402185
>IBO feels like the end to Rogue One in which a bunch of characters you never grew attached to died predictable deaths and you're expected to still care for some reason even though everything is fine.
This is spot on.

I enjoyed Orphans in general. My biggest gripes with the series are in the second half of S2 which are:
-Dainsleifs being one of the most fucking broken weapons in Gundam
-Some characters really needed more development like Rustal and some others became useless i.e. Kudelia, Makanai
-Rustal faction having plot armor, feel that they should've killed Julietta.
-Some of the frames really lacked screentime or were pretty useless. Muh Bael, Flauros, Grimgerde, etc.

Overall 7/10. While I like the endings idea, the execution was mediocre. Still, I would like to see a sequel or spin-off since I love the frame designs.

>>15406909
I wouldn't say that the main guys were bad guys, but they were in the wrong track after S1 which is something I really liked. Orga's intentions while noble where unrealistic and his impatience to accomplish everything fast led Tekkadan and many of his comrades to pointless dead.

>>15407039
>-Dainsleifs being one of the most fucking broken weapons in Gundam
The Zanneck could do that same shit with beam weapons and no one seemed to bat an eye.

>>15399376
Was Orga fucking chicks at all?

>>15406911
>G-reco

Ada is about as old as Kudelia.

>>15407039
>being one of the most fucking broken weapons in Gundam
uh huh

>>15405758
Well yeah, that's my issue.
Same shit with a lot of things in show.

>>15407175
And immature as fuck.
It took her the entire series to figure out that maybe she's a diplomat and not a fighter.
Kudelia knew this since episode 2.

>>15399376
4/10 show. Okada and Nagai should retire as soon as possible.

>>15399376
S1 was at times really dull but S2 was just great and overall I genuinely enjoyed the show. Only thing that really bothered me was how the battle against the Arianrhod fleet played out. Before and after it Tekkadan and McGillis/Bael were able to lay waste to a small army but just in that fight they somehow are struggling and can't get shit done? That was just bad writing, still probably my favorite gundam.

8/10

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>>15399376
took me a while to realize the show has nded while lurking @g_tekketsu, waiting for the shitty preview pics

damn

have some OTP i guess

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I enjoyed the show, 8/10 for me. I do notice that the show seems to be polarizing, even without the trolls. Here's a bit from the show regarding my take on it.

In this scene from ep 46, Gali questions the logic of Isurugi and everyone else on McGillis' side. Isurugi counters that Gali will never understand, simply because he's never been in the shoes of the poor or the powerless.

Same goes for many of the viewers here. I've seen a lot of comments regarding the motivations of the main characters, and how they seem to be illogical. But we take into consideration that the average person in this board is an under-40 middle-class caucasian, then of course it would be hard to sympathize with the MCs. This point even reverberates when Elion, Jasley, and a bunch of others refer to Tekkadan as rats, or sub-human.

I've seen some of the more unsavory parts of the world, and I've seen kids with eyes as dead as Mikazuki's. While I can't say I sympathize with Tekkadan, I really do think that their choice of actions are not so strange, knowing where they came from.

>>15407692

Agreed. I hate how people are defending this shit so much. Shit taste is shit taste I guess.

>>15399376
Not really a great show, but the fact that there are people decrying this as the worst mecha show of all time is silly. You haven't known true pain until you've watched Candidate for Goddess.

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>>15408005
> muh noblility priviledge
well thank Rustal the next ghallahjorn leader is going to be an orphaned plebeian

>>15407100
People just salty that they didn't realise that the physical force could be applied to anything that are not Vulcans.
Or that good old physics btfo's murder manlets that were in unstoppable killing machines.

>>15408005
Its so hilarious that the people who praise this show do a shit job of bringing up anything good amount it.

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>>15399376
I was disappointed with Gaelio and Chocolates final battle. Also Bael sucked

>>15408010
>>15408428
samefag

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>>15399740
>>No Showed a grow up Almiria
The twins never showed up.