>Victory gundam >older generation's duty is to watch

Why do you need a lesson ?
Are you eight years old ?

>>15389476
>waaah I don't like this message
Then don't listen to it dumb ass.
Besides that sometimes bad things happen in fiction and real life. Will you be literally shaking and unable to even?

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>>15389476
life sucks, but you might get freaky midget cripple sex along the way

Join the military
Have kids
If you want to change things run for office

The lesson is "Don't bite off more than you can chew!"

Tekkadan had it made until they started listening to ol' Macky.

>>15389476
You don't need to kill everyone that opposes you to change the world for the better.

Tekkadan won ideologically even if they lost the war, everything turn out their way in the end.

The moral of the story is you are a bitch.

More realistic Gundam ever.

>>15389476
You can't solve every problem with violence/power like it's so often implied in Taiwanese comics. McGillis thought that having the MS of the "main character" will give him the power to change the world, the audience thought that only because Tekkadan/Mika had the main Gundam of the show they'd have the power to change the world. Both were wrong.

>>15389476
>Dont try too hard or else you'll be slapped down and you'll get all your friends killed
More like "power without purpose will only hurt those around you"

>>15389546
So this is the Anti-SEED, then?

>>15389476
>What the fuck kind of lesson is IBO trying convey?
There was no goddamn lesson you idiots. IBO was just a series of character arcs with no overall plot. At the very least it didn't hamfist a message of "peace is cool and we should appreciate it more" like most other gundams, but then again IBO probably was written so badly it didn't even try to do nothing; it just always was a bunch of people fighting about and doing nothing.

>>15389476
Pleas stay in your containment thread so I on't have to keep hiding the IBO threads clogging up the board.

>>15389546
I don't hate IBO as much now!

>>15389476
It was more like "don't push your luck, it isn't going to last forever".

Early on the world basically showers Tekkadan and McGillis in boons, but they still want more and end up losing "it all".

>>15389476
>What the fuck kind of lesson is IBO trying convey?

This again?

It's one thing to have dreams, it's another to have vague goals. Tekkadan didn't know how to proceed further after season one, so they just grasped at every opportunity they could to gain power for themselves. After a while, they got themselves in too deep and their luck ran out.

> Lesson: Firmly set out what you wish to accomplish and don't take shortcuts to get there.

> Also, don't accept offers from strange chuuni's with candy. At least without hearing all the details first.

There's also the fact Tekkadan had an incredibly unhealthy mindset where everyone just blindly followed each other. Even the people who knew this didn't help them in the ways they ultimately needed.

> Moral: It doesn't help people to enable destructive behavior.

>>15389533
>Join the military
>Have kids

its like you want our fellow anons to be on welfare for the rest of their lives

>>15389476
Once you go Yakuza, you don't stop being Yakuza.

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>>15389550
Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner.

There's also the fact that at the end of the day, the goal of Tekkadan should have been to reach a point where they could disband, not the whole King of Mars bullshit Orga got roped into.

And they make it very clear at the end that Mika isn't a person anyone should try to emulate. He was essentially someone born of violence, that couldn't really exist in a world where he didn't fight. Which is why he chose to end it there, despite having an opening to run for it.

Also in the end, women don't need a dick to be happy.

>>15389476
If you use banned OP weapons you will win everytime

>>15389476
>What the fuck kind of lesson is IBO trying convey?
Marry a 12-year-old, then get her pregnant at 15.

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>>15389550
>You can't solve every problem with violence/power

>>15389594
That's not violence, that's HISTORY which McGillis didn't understand baka

>>15389588
Wrong, Rustal won.

Power wins and those with the most power get a happy ending by crushing those without it. Power isn't a single MS though, it's whoever has the largest army which Rustal had.

>>15389590
this
whoever gets more dainsleifs firing first wins

the dainsleifs are objects that represent the unfairness of life
no matter how good of a pilot you are, how shiny your robot is, or how strong your ties of friendship/family are, some mooks with spearguns can destroy your shit instantly

alternatively they're convenient plot devices for killing characters without using much animation budget

>>15389476
Just send your kids to school and they will be fine.

>>15389588
>Mika isn't a person you should emulate
Hence Hush; dude tried to be like Mika, jobbed hard and died like a bitch.

>>15389608
Unless the "School" is brothel for pedos, then they are fucked.

>>15389604
That's pretty much right. So people without power need to find other ways to fight. Meeting violence with violence is stupid if you're weaker than the other guy is.

Even worse is that Tekkadan fought in an open field with no tactics other than rip and tear everything they can see. Too bad they didn't see dainslief team coming.

>>15389626
I went to Catholic school and I turned out fine

miss ya Johnnie, you had the sweetest personality and mouth

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>What the fuck kind of lesson is IBO trying convey?

Grow up spoiled in a rich family and you'll eventually get fucking hot slap the shit out of your dumb chuuni bff and land a cute blonde monkey who wants to eat meat w/ you.

A+ life lesson. Took notes.

>>15389476
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by Kudelia-sugoi.

-- Kudelia "I'll Make Your Shitty Deaths Stand for Something at Least" Einstein

>>15389604
Rustal lost though. He was against any reforms and considered Gjallarhorns traditions as far more valuable than its founding myth and rules. However with half of the seven stars gone he didn't really have any other option left, literally doing what McGillis set out to do in the first place.

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>>15389618
>jobbed hard and died like a bitch.
So just like Mika.

If your father diddled you as a kid, it's your fault and you deserve to burn in hell.

But if you're the beneficiary of nepotism you get GAINZ for life.

>>15389649
>destroyed dozens of enemy units
>allowed for everyone else to escape
>got hit by orbital MS-kiling weapons
>killed a dozen more before dying due to blood loss

he did not die like a bitch, no matter how many times you say he did

>>15389638
On the other hand
>grow up poor and you'll eventually get picked up by an old pedo who gives you everything you want as long as you take a few up the poop chute and then you can kill friends who would die for you and then you can steal the sickest gundam and live out your wildest fantasies before going out in a blaze of glory fighting your undead friend in the only good plot line in a 50 episode TV show and retards on a mayalsian pastry board will praise you for being cool

>>15389647
The only thing rustal lost at was assuming Kudelia was even dumber than he thought.

His victory was more one-sided than the Klein faction's in Destiny. It was the most sickening one-sided outcome since A/Z.

>>15389647
Wrong, Rustal also thought that reforming Gjallerhorn was important, he disagreed with McGillis' reasons and methods. Once McGillis took out all his opposition for him he was free to do exactly what he wanted all along.

>>15389667
>Rustal also thought that reforming Gjallerhorn was important,
Why do people keep spouting this meme?

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>>15389659
>Doesn't take out any named characters
>Dies a pointless death for a meaningless cause
>A footnote not even worth remembering
Like a bitch.

>>15389664
In his defense, the show had him spamming slefs in the prior battle, you think he's going to go I HAVE HONOR ON THE GROUND and stop with his curbstomp fusillade as long as the press isn't looking?

It escalated to a curb stomping because there was just no other way for a team of Grazes to stop two gundam frames heavily customized for anti MS warfare without God-Rodding them to a point of overkill.

You bring a gun to a knife fight, and people die. That's how it works.

>>15389682
>Dies a pointless death for a meaningless cause
Did you even fucking watch the show?

>>15389674
Meatfags saw hints of him waxing poetical on how Gjallerhorn was needed despite everything already being shit and assumed he had a plan beyond, "Kill Space Rats -> Profit".

Mackyfags did the same for Macky too, shame that he didn't have anything.

>>15389689
This is an anime so the proper answer would've been to pull out the Elion and Kujan family Gundams and get surgery so Rustal can lose in a pointless 2v2 match after which Mikazuki will become king of Gjallarhorn for no reason.

>>15389696
Did you?

What good was caused by his continued struggle? Were the people he was killing the "bad guys" to you? I think the show went over your head anon.

>>15389476

>>IBO Gundam
>>Dont try too hard or else you'll be slapped down and you'll get all your friends killed

But then it didn't go in vain as things they fought for was were achieved by their friends lived to see another day as their actions ended up changing the situation of their world.

>>15389605
>Some mooks with spearguns can destroy your shit instantly

So is that why Cosmo Babylonia took frontier IV so easily and why the EFF made the Javelin?

>>15389715
He did not battle for a cause, he fought in order to live. Both in general, and in that specific battle.
This was literally stated in the show.
>Were the people he was killing the "bad guys" to you?
If you do not allow your opponent to surrender, then what right do you have to complain when they fight to the bitter end?

In that particular fight, his struggle allowed everyone else in Tekkadan to escape! To call it pointless is nonsensical at best.

All considered, I think you either were not paying attention to the show, or you are arguing in bad faith.

>tfw Almiria is tall enough to dance with Chocochar
poor Almiria

>>15389742
They watched Eugene, Dante, and two kids escape. They didn't actually give a shit. What Mika meant was that there is no cause, battle is a part of his life because Mika is a fucked up child soldier who doesn't see anything beyond that. There is no cause and there is no goal for him, which is why he can only chase after what Orga promised. The snake dude even says "You enjoy the killing of me!" and Mika doesn't really mind the accusation.

>>15389701
I kinda feel like there was a conscious effort to make the finale feel like how an actual historical event would play out.
>there are no clear villains or heroes on the story, both factions having done good and bad things for various reasons
>McGillis Fareed had no final ace up his sleeve and expanded all his resources before trying a last foolhardy sortie which failed
>Mika was a god on the battlefield and put up a good show, but even he can't fuck with a Dainslaff volley
>he got tucked out and just died eventually, his slayer not being anybody he had any real connection to
>things were pretty bad, but because of all the shit that went down in the era, political figures got their shit together and slowly improved on democracy and Martian living conditions

This all just feels like a very sober and not romanticized account of some shit that went down.

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>>15389476
It's trying to say if you're a fucking child, don't try to go against the adults when they understand something that you don't
Also don't be retarded chunnis like Orga"WE WUZ KANGS OF MARS N SHEIT" Itsuka and McGillis "Drilled by a Male, Drilled Muh Bael" Fareed

>>15389748
Well sure, that's what is meant when it is said that he fights in order to live.

>>15389742
>In that particular fight, his struggle allowed everyone else in Tekkadan to escape! To call it pointless is nonsensical at best.
I don't see how you can call allowing those assholes to live "not pointless". Seriously, if I was Mikazuki I would have let them all die years ago.

>>15389742
>In that particular fight, his struggle allowed everyone else in Tekkadan to escape!
They already did and he knew this. He kept fighting because it's all he knows how to do.

When he died it wasn't heroically giving his all to oppose a great evil, it was as a rabid dog being put down, you know 'like a bitch'.

>>15389476
Banned weapons are the best tools to win a war.

Chemical weapons and expanding ammunition are banned? Use a false flag to make it appear as if the enemy uses them, and then use them yourself.

>>15389762
I think the crux of your argument is just that he didn't kill any named enemies, and I disagree that's the only way to die on the battlefield in a way that isn't "like a bitch."
We shall just have to agree to disagree.

>>15389771
>muh differently labeled self defense rounds

The lesson was don't associate with pedophiles

>>15389771
Why the heck are dainsliefs banned anyway?

If they hit the target it kills instead and it's not like they cause more collateral than explosives. It's true they did a ton of damage in the bombardment but you could do the same kind of damage and more with a single bunker buster missile that dives into the ground before going off.

I mean compare a dainslief to the torso, basically an instant kill as we saw in the space battle, vs. being crushed by Guts's giant gunpla nippers. Iok probably deserved as much but hell if it wasn't a cruel and unusual death. But melee weapons are all like that in this universe. They fight with fucking hatchets and short swords and various hammers and lances. Hell, Ein suffered from having half his body crushed when the lance hit the torso and pushed the cockpit around his legs.

How the fuck is this more humane than a powerful instant kill weapon?

>>15389780
>I disagree that's the only way to die on the battlefield in a way that isn't "like a bitch."
So do I, disabling and destroying all your opponents would also be acceptable if there are no named enemies around for you to take out.

It's the difference between being crushed by the wave and making the wave crush itself on you. Mika got crushed, and died like a bitch.

>>15389682
>Last Shooting Pose

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>>15389663
McGillis went from being an awful person to a loveable chuuni when his plans were revealed.

>>15389807
They had optional nuclear warheads iirc

>>15389771

Dainsleif was banned because Gjallarhon feared it would be used against them. It's actually just long range armor piercing that does the job while all other ammo types in IBO perform poortly against MS and battleships armor. NBC weapons are considered immoral because they can hit heavily the population and cause immense suffering to the combatants. They are not exactly the same thing.

>>15389816
He would have crushed the wave, but the macguffin cannons blew him up.

>>15389807
My guess is that the "humanitarian grounds" argument is just a political smokescreen. The real reason probably has more to do with how they could easily escalate conflicts. Without Dainsleifs, fights are potentially survivable without high casualties. With them, it's going to be a bloodbath on both sides.

>>15389829
That's not what a macguffin is, anon. The Dainsleifs were an established plot point that had seen use multiple times already. That makes them more a handwavium. Macguffins are defined by how they don't get used before the final conflict, and instead just have people trying to get them.

>>15389476
>What the fuck kind of lesson is IBO trying convey?
1) the easy way means easy death
2) idealism don't mean shit if you don't set your foot on reality and learns how the world actually works so that you can improve (literally what kudelia said to yamagi)
3) people who only wants to go full jihad needs to be stopped. they are only useful to war. You give them the possibility to learn and get a better life. they waccept and actually decides to step out of war life? good. they refuse and instead keep acting like mad dogs? off them
3) watch out for people that think is good but are actually only using you to pursue their goals.
4) allways ask yourself why the fuck X is happening. and go learn why X is happening
5) if you are a faggot who turns into a trap in the future confess right way. act like a mem for once.
You fucks need to stop thinking that shows only have postive lessons if the protagonist pulls out a deus ex machina out of his ass and wins against the villain who is actually the good guy all along.
Every single one of Tekkadan members who actually used their heads is alive. well except for biscuit

>>15389476
>>Dont try too hard or else you'll be slapped down
Sounds about right for the show that tried way too hard to appeal to the modern anime fan and ended up as a mediocre pile of shit that even rivals SEED Destiny in terms of unadulterated shit.

>>15389750
>This all just feels like a very sober and not romanticized account of some shit that went down.

This is what Gundam was originally meant to be about, no good or evil, winners or losers, only survivors. This Good Vs Evil Final Boss Battle shit started more recently in Gundam. Even Char Vs Amuro Round 1 neither were exactly wrong from their point of view. Sadly Rau said it best. "All those who do battle, do so for their own just cause"

>>15389840
Wouldn't it be better to end battles more decisively than to draw them out like barbarians? I kinda get what you're saying but like in today's episode you have one really good pilot who smashes cockpits and crushes people into SunnyD. If Rustal were more cavalier with those dainsliefs the conflict would've ended quickly in two barrages. I know they're supposed to be just nameless grunts but Mika even pulled an Eva move and pulled out a cockpit, whole, from a graze and crushed it in his hands. It's all sorts of fucked up even if we're supposed to side with our heroes in their badass moment.

>>15389852
Good point, the handwavium cannons were just to strong with no real weaknesses (besides scarcity I suppose).

>>15389476
message: hears what aniki says or your family dies and everyone HEEROlaughs at you

>>15389875
Who'd still willingly fucking work at Gjallarhorn after witnessing that display?

>>15389876
Why does a weapon need to be fair?

>>15389875
It was stated in Season 1 Mika was all but uncontrollable. Why is his behavior, now that his voice of reason and direction is gone, so surprising.

>>15389891
The only unfair advantage is the one the other guy in the battle has. If you have the advantage you should exploit the hell out of it.

>>15389875

Once a weapon is widely used it's also easy to smuggle it. Gjallarhon would have been often on the receiving side of a Dainsleif barrage when dealing with insurrections and major criminal cartels. That particular ammo has the ability to negate numerical advantage and it's hard to detect, so they banned it to mantein their edge.

>>15389891
It doesn't, otherwise there wouldn't be Gundams that are obviously special. They're just assmad that a gundam got it in the ass.

>>15389891
I never said they needed to be, but if we are attempting to make a fair judgement of a pilot's performance, I think it's not really a detriment that they could only be destroyed by a volley of plot devices.

>>15389856
Nigga your autistic ass thought about this way more than the writers like wtf it's just Jap cartoons lol if you don't like the fighting robots like just turn it off lol shit

>>15389807
a kinectic bombardment with less resources and trouble can have the same devastation effect as a nuke. but without radiation. be it a Rod of god of a Railgun. Kinect energy is stupidly strong. the higher the distance traveled an, the higher speed the project is at, the less air there's to stop it but atrict the more powerfull the energy release by it will be once it hits its target.. you just need some big chunk of metal that survive the reentrance of atmosphere, shape it like a bullet and you have a weapon that reach any place you fucking want if you attach it to a satelite/anything that can shot it from space.
Also, Gundam frames are broken and you know it. they ere specially crafted to survive a fight against mobile armor. who in the end were walking dainsliefs. and since gundam frames are easy to produced and probably almost of the resources to build one ended in calamity because they build a entire books demons as gundams

>>15389869
MSG did it better though thats why is a classic, IBO will be remembered as "tried to hard"

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>>15389822
>spends his last time with tekkadan learning that they weren't who he thought they were and trying to understand them
>doesn't betray them
Macky is adorable.

>>15389947
IBO did not try to hard, it didn't try hard enough. It was unfocused.
The whole series would have been better if the whole thing just took place on Mars and wasn't such at such a grand scale.

>>15389546
G Gundam is more realistic than this

>>15389949
Exactly, there are not traditional hero's here, Thats why i love IBO. No one is fully right, no one is wholly wrong either. Everyone ids trying to make their way in the fucked up world as best they can.

>>15389954
>The whole series would have been better if the whole thing just took place on Mars and wasn't such at such a grand scale.
Can someone run by me why they fought for Martian independence on Earth again?

>>15389955
>No beam spam or real BBEG Vs DBZ for Gundam
>More realistic
What the hell are you smoking and why aren't you sharing.

>>15389973
You sound like a fucking idiot who probably says shit like "well both sides are wrong and I'm a neutral party fence sitter". Are you even old enough to post here?

>Enemy Capitol
>Not attacking or fighting in it
.....really.....

>>15389986
Considering your Middle School level response your sure as hell not. But i suppose even attempting intellectual thought is beyond rednecks and undesirables such as yourself.

>>15389992
Yeah just like how America won it's independence by marching into London and overthrowing King George personally!
You're an idiot, also
>overusing ellipses
you don't belong here on this website, fuck off

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>>15389822
>>15389949
McGillis is equally ridiculous and best boy.

>>15390003
>complains I had a middle school level response
>has terrible grammar, spelling, and grasp of how to argue anything
Amazing.

GUYS! GUYS! CALM DOWN! REMEMBER THE MEMES STOP FIGHTING

>>15390014
Fuck off Kio

>>15390011
I really believe he's the best Char clone overall. He doesn't 180 into an idiot with bad plans that threaten the existence of humanity despite being a competent sociopathic genius. Nor does he have some rival he loves/hates for killing his would-be mother figure.

Macky starts off as a smart guy with a bad past of literal molestation who clung to formative ideals that kept him going, tried to live them, and ultimately did as much as could be reasonably expected given what he did (including the betrayals of his closest friends). He had a damn good run considering he was an anti-hero.

>>15389476

I guess I'm weird but I'm fine with this ending. Look at shows like Gundam Seed. It's an entire army against a handful of suits and they somehow score a flawless victory. Shit ain't realistic at all.

I think a lot of what I like about IBO is that it doesn't play like a Gundam. The evil guy's evil plan completely falls apart. The kids fighting for justice die. There is no black and white good/bad, just a ton of shades of grey. You don't get flawless victories in life.

I know /m/ REALLY doesn't like this series, and I get that. I did though. I guess all I can hope for is that people will either focus on the cool suit designs, or forget about it entirely once the next series comes along. Either way, we've reached critical mass on these threads, so I'm okay with not talking about it for a while. Guess I'll see you folks in a month or so.

>>15389986
>being forced to choose between Federation or Zeon

My ass will forever remain planted on this fence, thank you very much.

>>15390039
So you're basically admitting you've never watched Gundam before and you only came here because you're a seasonal anime watcher and decided to watch IBO? Well then please leave, nobody here likes your kind.

>>15389752
>Not McGillis "Got diddled, have some skittles" Fareed

>>15389546

>I HAVE AN OLD RELIC FOLLOW ME
uhmmmmmmmm, okay, you have 1 gundam and an entire fleet coming to fuck you up, we think we'll sit this one out

>WE R GOONA BE DA KING OF MARS, FUCK THE SLOW AND STEADY PATH
turns out the guy we followed was a nutcase, shit

>SEND ALL YOUR MOOKS AT US, WE HAVE GUNDAMS
just shoot them from orbit

>>15389981
Rights to mine rare earth materials and actually sell them. IIRC they had massive tariffs and got no money for their own development.

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>>15390057

That's a huge assumption to make there. I've been here for a long time, and I've seen plenty of Gundam and non-Gundam mech shows. Actually the reason I'm stepping out is because of shit like this. /m/ used to be the slower, calmer version of /a/ with mecha. This extreme vitriol is not needed. I didn't say jack shit about people who dislike the series, so there's no need to be insulting.

>>15390074
So why not just mine rare earth elements on Mars and then use the Gundam to stop anybody from trying to enforce this and then use the crazy space yakuza shenanigans to sell the ores? And once things escalate let the situation evolve into a full blow martian civil war with the Earth Federation expy invading. There, I just wrote a better setting to IBO in less than a minute.

>>15390039
I just want to move on to another AU at this point.
My gripes were with the show's entire running than just the ending (which is pretty chill considering what went down in last arc).
I mean it's unique but not great.
Designs are noice though.

>>15390080
I don't believe your bullshit in the slightest, and it's not an assumption, you straight up said it.
>I think a lot of what I like about IBO is that it doesn't play like a Gundam. The evil guy's evil plan completely falls apart. The kids fighting for justice die. There is no black and white good/bad, just a ton of shades of grey. You don't get flawless victories in life.
If you honestly believe most Gundam series didn't have any of that you're either an idiot who only watched for "WOW COOL ROBOT" or you didn't watch them at all. Take your pick. And:
>Either way, we've reached critical mass on these threads, so I'm okay with not talking about it for a while. Guess I'll see you folks in a month or so.
You're basically admitting you only came here for IBO and IBO only.

>>15390085
>I mean it's unique
It isn't
>Designs are noice though.
No, they aren't.

>>15390032
Macky is a Jerid clone that thinks he's a Char

>>15389476

Nothing. It's just a shitty plot that doesn't make sense.

Corruption for the win guys!

At least Ride got his revenge.

>>15390081
>Selling the rare earth materials to the people you're a subject under and rebelling from doesn't work.
>Gundams aren't invulnerable to planetary bombardment.
>All Gjallarhorn has to do is blockade the planet and literally starve the populace into submission
>Good luck selling en masse on black markets, what ships are you going to use to transport these goods, what shipping lanes? Gjallarhorn controls them.
>Assuming the average Martian doesn't care more about surviving in squalor than dying for a SMALL CHANCE of winning their independence with no guarantee that they won't just be economically sanctioned thereafter.

>>15390094
except Jerid was actually a cool guy

>>15390081

Dude seriously. I'd watch that.

>commit warcrimes
>nobody holds you accountable for them
>you live a happy, successful life
Fuck Rustal.

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>>15390114
>replying to yourself

>>15390086

I said no such thing. My god man, I've been posting in the fucking Majestic Prince thread for months.

I don't understand the vitriol. Does the fact that someone likes this show hurt you THAT much? I honestly don't understand why you are this upset because I said I liked the show.

>>15390085

I've watched most of them. I enjoyed X quite a bit, even though the evil brothers were a bit... much. I fell off the G-Reco train mid way. I never did watch AGE, but... I don't really have a desire to. Wasn't much of a fan of 00, though I didn't hate it either. Wing was decent, though I watched it as a kid so maybe I should give it another shot.

Anyway, I'm genuinely tired of trying to argue with people who are angry for the sake of being angry. I'll just go back to the non-gundam threads for a while.

>>15390110
>>All Gjallarhorn has to do is blockade the planet and literally starve the populace into submission
That's actually not the greatest idea unless the entirety of Mars rose up. That's a pretty severe and expensive reaction considering the economic worth of Mars. It would hit the earth market pretty severely.

>>15390110
You're just proving my point about how this would be a more interesting setting than what we got. Just take everything you just mentioned and write a show taking those things into account.
>>15390126
>I said no such thing.
I fucking quoted you. Also the fact you liked Majestic Shit proves you're a fucking seasonal shitter.

>>15390113
From what I remember, I only remember Jerid whining a lot about the shit he loved Kamille took away from him (which was in fact true).

>>15390092
Designs are nice, dunno why you have shit taste man.
If anything, the underuse of several Gundams and MS was the worst thing that was written with the show Only thing that really pisses me off to no end.

>>15390132
Well it did say full blown civil war in the post.

>>15389476
>What the fuck kind of lesson is IBO trying convey?

The lesson is this : Gundam has the shittiest fandom on earth. Of course this lesson will pass way over the heads of those directly interested so rinse and repeat and wait for the next IBO.

>>15390137
Yeah my bad, I wasn't trying to say if it was or wasn't a better setting; just that it probbably isn't the best plan to get what you wanted as a Martian.

>>15390126
>Falling into bait
You sure you don't browse here more often anon?

>>15390148

I was hoping /m/ didn't have this level of shitposters. I was wrong. My bad.

>>15389476
>What the fuck kind of lesson is IBO trying convey?
Never employ to make a mecha action show a director who filmography consists only of comedy and drama animes for girls.

>>15390032
He's become my favorite Char clone.

>who clung to formative ideals that kept him going, tried to live them

Yeah from his POV, it makes perfect sense why he's so obsessed with the Agnika Kaeru story. He wanted to kill himself, because of what Iznario was doing to him, and the AK story (and the ideals he found with it) literally saved his life. That coupled with early abuse stunting his emotional and social capacities is why he couldn't move on from it, tragically enough. Poor guy.

>>15390148
>le b8 xd
You have to go back
>>15390163
>a-anybody who disagrees with me is a shitposter
Please leave.

>>15390185

dude that's exactly what you're doing.

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>>15389476
>Daedalus and Icarus
>Don't fly to close to the sun or else you're wings will melt and you'll fall
What the fuck kind of lesson is this myth trying to convey?

>>15390194
Prove it, cunt.

>>15389550
You can't be more wrong.

>almiria gets forgotten
>rustal is now considered a good guy for making mars independent, banning human debris and making gjallarhorn democratic
>ignore all the corrupt shit going on
Quality writing guys.

>>15390234
meh end for a meh show.
Pretty content with it after a while

>>15390234
>Quality writing guys.
Was anybody arguing it was good writing at all? I mean seriously, man.

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>and then I killed the Gundam and held it's head on my sword and there was blood everywhere. Everyone cheered and said that I was so cool, and that I was the best pilot ever and a real hero. Then some time passed and I got grown-up and got really pretty hair, and the cutest guy ever Galleria Bowling came to me and said "MarJulietta I love u can we hva sex" and we started frenching passively and he put his boys thingy in my you-know-what and I gut an organism.

>>15390117

just like real life

>>15390266
>Not ending it with ORPHANS NAMIDA

>>15390234
>ignore all the corrupt shit going on
Meh, governments will always have some degree of corruption. At least now they are better than before.

>>15390117
Rustal didn't do anything wrong. He just sat back and watched the Tekkadan, McGillis, and Iok do stupid things and then strike when they were most vulnerable. McGillis is dead and labeled a traitor, the Tekkadan are seen as bad guys for siding with the traitor, and Iok is a hero for taking out the mafia and died heroically stopping one of the dangerous Tekkadan members.

>>15389594
I love to hear that BGM everytime time Rustal uses the dainsleif team.

>>15390390
I'm glad Iok died.
Good things come to you if you just live long enough.

>>15389476
>What the fuck kind of lesson is IBO trying convey?
Fighting without having a clear goal or some sort of cause will get your shit wrecked real hard.

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>>15390198
Don't bite off more than you can chew, or you'll only end up with /ss/ bait in the end.

>>15390443
It's very good that Iok died because he believed he was going to be a future leader of Gjallarhorn. It may have been difficult for Rustal to democratize Ghorn if Iok was still alive. In the end the actions McGillis and Tekkadan took still led to the world as we see it in the end. The council wouldn't have survived with Carta, McGillis, and Iok dead and Gaelio apparently not being in any shape to lead I guess.

Not to mention. The other families would've been shamed for not acting against McGillis in retrospect, whereas Iok, Gaelio, and Rustal did act and stopped him. So once Rustal gets old only Iok would actually be in a high position unless Gaelio decides he wants to be a councilman for some reason. Guts did it, he saved the future while Mika was sperging out against grunts.

>>15390266
I'm still pissed. Really wished Barbatos smashed her with his mace.

Don't analyse IBO, just be glad it's over and don't let the same mistake happen again.

so what's the reason why Gali is still in a wheelChair? did removing his connection to Vidar, make him paralyzed from the waste down or something?

>>15390565
I think it's implied he got his AV removed recently. His was in the neck, as we see many times.

>>15390540
As much as I wanted him to win or to see julietta die, do you really tought that after being spear'd he would have survived the rest of the army? That mission was sucidal to begin with. Although props to mika for actually having a plan knowing that he could die

>>15390592
ahh makes sense. though that means that Vidar is kill. now I'm sad. if their was a movie(god I hope their isn't) I would have loved to see the Vidar again.

>>15390510

Ironically, Iok was probably made a hero in the historical record.

> Died fighting a Gundam, while rallying his men.
> His men were so upset over their leader's death, they immediately avenged him.

Hell of a way to go out.

>>15390599
Well I wanted a Mika and Gali rematch. Well I hope we get something in the SRW games. Probably a better ending.

>>15390611
>they immediately avenged him.
And probably died in the process judging by the shape of their swords

>>15389750
>This all just feels like a very sober and not romanticized account of some shit that went down.
It's the rise and fall of WWII Japan. Tekkadan and Macky are the Japanese military. Dainslefs are nukes. Rustal is Douglas MacArthur. Kudelia is all the politicians and businesses that took advantage of the wartime chaos and reconstruction to change Japan for the better.

>>15390621
I really hope there is no more of this because I feel if sunrise decides to continue ibo it will only get worse and to be hones this was the best ending possible for everyone. Is it true that there are actually no plans for ovas or movies or shit?

>>15389476
>What the fuck kind of lesson is IBO trying convey?
The same lesson as Char's Counterattack. Reforms are better than violent revolution.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-03-27/prolific-screenwriter-mari-okada-writes-autobiography/.113359

>>15390633
I liked someone's idea of Macky representing Germany.
Tricked Tekkadan into joining on delusions of grandeur
Goes out like an absolute retard leaving Tekkadan without aid
Tekkadan still has to be cleaned up at the end of the day because they went along with Macky's plans

>>15390638
I'm not asking for a sequel I kinda wanted a better ending or at least Mika still alive. With SRW maybe they'll do a better ending.

>>15390642
>Chapter 4: Preparatory Exercises for an Event
There's a scene in the anime anohana where Jintan, who's always been skipping school, is about to go outside. In front of the door, he hears voices from the neighborhood and hesitates. This was based on X Day, when I went outside for a school event for the first time in a long time.
I cant wait for gendum references

>>15389482
It's almost as if these are for children or something wow

>>15390704
Children don't buy model kits

>>15389476
Get fucked kiddies

>>15389482
Some people just like their stories to have a point so that it doesn't feel like they wasted countless hours on it

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>>15389546
This isn't G-saviour
no I'm not joking, G-saviour was more realistic than IBO's scenario

Also for a more serious answer Gundam for the barrel has the most realistic portrayal of mobile suits and spacecraft by any gundam work so far, sadly it's some super obscure manga(or was it a novel?) that's never getting translated.

>>15390751
It was a war about food supply shipments, right? I really need to get around to actually watching that at some point.

>>15390751
Except pic related is fucking garbage and those designs aren't realistic either. They would fall apart under high-Gs and their center of mass is fucking too high and back on the body.

>>15390762
yeah, it's been probably 7 years since I watched, but shit was so bad they had to grow food in special underwater plants that used a growing technique that involved algae.
One of the factions had a monopoly on this stuff and was blue-balling the other.
I remember that the faction with the Gundams was called Illuminati and that was all I can recall.

>>15390775
It's still more realistic than IBO's digimon chuuni antics.
I never said it was straight up hard sci-fi, just the most practical I've seen out of Gundam so far.
The white base in this continuity isn't even a battleship, just a medical transport that was converted last minute.
As for the MS there was some other story behind them too, but iirc basically they look humanoid on accident

>>15389476
Felt like the same pointless fighting and shit in many Gundam series.

>0079 Amuro wins the war and ends up a coward with PTSD on house arrest.
>Zeta Kamille ends up a drooling vegetable and near everyone died
>ZZ Judau After defeating Neo Zeon they all realize that Earth's government is actually corrupt and he fucks off to some planet to be a recluse.
>0083 After fighting to save the day the hero realizes he got cucked
>0080 Guy dies a pointless death when the war was over already

>>15390812
>The white base in this continuity isn't even a battleship, just a medical transport that was converted last minute.
>but iirc basically they look humanoid on accident
So it's not practical and it's not realistic.

Someone post some webm of barbie's rampage. Oh and iok getting squished.

>>15390443
Guts can rest in peace at least.

>>15390611
Doesn't matter because no matter how heroic they recorded it he died crying and screaming like the idiot that he is.

He was just a bottle of juice by the time guts nippered him to death.

>>15390828
>Guy dies a pointless death when the war was over already
That's in hindsight though. HamBernie did his best to protect the colony with what he knew was going to happen and he actually did a good job considering he was up against a Gundam.
He couldn't know the war was over and that the nuke wouldn't come. For all he knew as he died, he actually accomplished his mission.

>>15390835
>So it's not practical and it's not realistic.
given the situation I think it's pretty realistic
>colony is attacked
>where can we evac the civvies to?
>there's some clunker medical transport in one of the bays
>alright use that

vs
IBO's
>we're under attack mika
>alright I'll just grab the legendary 300 year old MS that's many times more powerful than every grunt out there that we've been using as a generator

I just like For the barrel's more down to earth aesthetic approach better honestly, and considering that 0079 was the first war with MS it would make sense they had nothing ready yet.

>>15390198
think about it, in the myth men learn to fly, but that isn't enough, and they try to reach the domain of the gods, and die trying to do so

>>15390828
>Amuro wins the war
the feddies would've won either way.
Whitebase was only key to a few early operations.
By the time the GMs were rolled out the Feddies had the upper hand.

>Zeta Kamille ends up a drooling vegetable
and recovers and goes on to become a doctor, the titans disband and life goes on

>ZZ Judau After defeating Neo Zeon they all realize that Earth's government is actually corrupt and he fucks off to some planet to be a recluse.
He then leads what might be humanity's first voyage outside of the sol system(given that UC is the first Gundam timeline)

>0083 After fighting to save the day the hero realizes he got cucked
A-at least he won't do it a second time?

>>15390649
Exactly. Lets flesh this out for /m/
The official series abbreviation is G-Tekketsu - as in the Tekketsu Kinnotai, the child soldiers who died at Okinawa in the closing months of the Pacific War.

There's a small organisation of children shunned as subhumans, an unusual number of whom have Japanese names (Mikazuki, Itsuka, Akihiro, Shino). They overthrow their oppressive sellout masters (the Meiji Restoration to remove the decaying Western puppet-state that the Tokugawa shogunate had become), and rename themselves in ways that assert their Japanese identity - Chryse Guard Services becomes Tekkadan, the Will o' the Wisp becomes the Isaribi, while adopting a logo of a red symbol on a white field (the fact that it's a flower may be a reference to the Chrysanthemum Seal, the symbol of the Japanese imperial family, who regained power in the Meiji Restoration). They also come into conflict with the current rulers of the world, the decaying, corrupt, aristocratic, and very Western-coded Gjallarhorn (observe, for instance, that while the Barbatos was designed after a young samurai, according to its creator, the Kimaris was explicitly modelled after a European knight). In order to gain an edge, they scramble desperately to acquire as much of their enemies' advanced technology as they can, and make alliances with other, more sympathetic great powers who aren't too happy with Gjallarhorn's status quo. Eventually, they manage a stunning, impossible, and decisive victory that earns them respect, notoriety, and a true place at the table (the Russo-Japanese War).

>>15390931
Unfortunately, their position still isn't stable after this, with other powers resenting their rapid advancement. In a grab for even more power, they deepen their unwise alliance with a charismatic madman who seeks a world built on strength and violence, and are drawn into his disastrous war with his rivals in the West/Gjallarhorn (it should probably be mentioned here that their new super-cool mass-produced suits are Shidens, named after Japan's best mass-produced fighters in World War II). The fight goes against them, requiring increasingly extreme and increasingly pointless sacrifices (Norba's death is shot just like a kamikaze mission, complete with the iconic headband being represented by his long, flapping, blood-stained bandages), but their increasingly troubled leader is spurred on by the enthusiasm of his young subordinates (the 'gekokujo' principle), and when they finally try to surrender in order to avoid the fate of their allies, the enemy commander ignores them and gets ready to butcher them in a show of force to cow the rest of the world.

>>15389535
This.
Orga's desire to be King of Mars got him and nearly all his crew dead

I'm still salty Chad got cucked by the supersized BBC mechanic, shit's not fair man.
Will Chad ever find happiness?

>>15390931
>this bullshit theory from s1 still

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TEKKETSU KINNOTAI

>>15390751
Christ, who did these character designs? Nagano? The lanky thin giants with thin eyebrows looks a lot like FSS.

>>15390936
So ibo isn't even original, they just ripped off real life

>>15390955
It's literally all Nagano off his meds.

>>15389550

I would have been fine if they lost the overall battle but Rustal elion should have died.

Iok's death was okay but kinda edgy. I think it's funny Julietta forgot about him so quickly.

>>15390946
Chad should just be happy he's even alive after all the bullshit he went through. Plus there's always the remaining girls from Turbines.

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>>15390955
They look good in the other art, I think this one is Sayla

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Why did they add the colony drop crater in Australia? What's the point? As far as I recall they never mention a colony drop.

Design oversight?

>>15391060
>hey guys remember UC? we remember UC! please watch our show!

But Rustal did try hard. He just had actually good strategy that eventually led to best outcome for all people.

Tekkadan was like ISIS with their Mars caliphate power fantasy

>>15389476

Don't ask questions, just buy this new Barbatos kit with claws.

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>>15391060
>Europe in the African Union

>>15391060
>>15391070
>Arbrau
>Russia
>Alaska
>Canada

If we look at modern economies, Arbrau has the economic power of like, Belgium.

>>15389476
wait did tekkadan actually get slaughtered in the end?

>>15391083
If we look at modern economies adding South America and Mexico to the US is mostly just a burden to the US. It'd end up in a huge welfare state that would ruin the bloc. Super powers like that are dumb unless you assume most of the people were genocided and the land is being pilfered for resources and nothing else.

>>15390906
The Feddies wouldn't have been able to win the war without the GMs getting the Gundam's learning computer's data. Amuro's contribution is fucking huge as a weapons development resources

>He then leads what might be humanity's first voyage outside of the sol system(given that UC is the first Gundam timeline)
Nothing Hasegawa has ever written will be canon. As far as we know Judau just fucked off to Jupiter and disappeared.

>>15391060
There's obviously a fuckhuge mobile armor sleeping underneath the Australia crater. A sealed ancient evil.

>>15391060
It's the same thing as with SEED having the moon city in shots of the moon. It's there to pay lip service to the whole Turn A shared continuity thing even though that doesn't make any sense.

>>15391060
A Mobile Armor from the Australian wildlife raped Australia and tore it a new asshole.

>>15390075 >>15389986
>everything is black or white. You should choose a side just because

Sounds kinda like the nonsense McGillis was spewing most of the time.

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>>15389476
>Sit back while all the hotblooded retards kill each other then fill the power vacuum

>>15391115
It would've been cool if they went to Australia and in the middle of the crater is a huge military installation built around a huge dainslief that's keeping an ancient city-sized MA down.

>>15391152
It makes sense in SEED though.
The Lacus dynasty went full tyrant and uncovered old gundam weapons than proceeded to deliver Freedom and Justice throughout the cosmos.
Then people rebelled with their Gundam weapons and the black history starts.

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>>15389807
An aristocratic knights martial organization like Gjallarhorn probably doesn't want their glorious honorable MS duels to be reduced to commoner plebs shooting artillery at each other.

>>15391203
>hotblooded
>retards

I guess the real /m/ is still stuck to /o/, what is this disgusting board?

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>>15391295
>honorable MS duels
This actually reminds me, when a had the first teaser image for IBO I was sure we were getting a mythical Gundam about space knights.
Man I wish I'd been right.

>>15391306
Why did they even bother with the fantasy styled Gundams and living Mobile Armors if the plot was going to be nothing but boring political dogshit?

>>15391060
This whole map was pointless since the show didn't play into geographical politics.

>>15391296
>Going full hotblood in a real robutt show
Enjoy dying.

>>15391342
>robot that transforms into a dog
>robot with four arms and a giant pair of scissors
>unicorn robot with knee drills
>living, screaming bird robot with a mouth beam and leeches that eat other robots
>robot with claws and tail that runs like an animal and roars

>real robutt

>>15391306
Sounds like the Calamity War. It's where people went full force with Gundams being mythical symbols. Hell, it basically distorted the planet's culture because everyone keeps talking about Mika being a demon with fear and reverence. Gundams still have that mythic quality.

I'm imagining Ace Combat levels of awe for military hardware and pilots.

>>15391094
Considering how far in the future it is, the potential wars and reshaping of borders, maps, and economics that could have happened since then, and THEN the Calamity War, all happening after humanity had already reached space most likely, their economics are likely not even remotely comparable to modern ones.

Of course, we'll never know because they never went into any of that.

And if they did, every white guy on this board would lose his fucking mind if a South American nation was somehow doing well off in the future.

>>15391361
it's like fantasy designs thrown into real setting..maybe that's why it seems unfitting

>>15391442
nah times change. it's entirely possible for any kind nations to rise or fall.

>>15389659
>>15389659
>he did not die like a bitch
Yes he did.

>>15391442
>Brown pedros
>out

As always, the brown man envy.

>>15389476
>Victory gundam
>older generation's duty is to make the younger generation fight.

>Gundam 00
>become gundam

>IBO Gundam
>don't join the yakuza

>>15391527
That's... exactly what I was saying? I was saying it was so far in the future that so many nations have probably risen and fallen that despite the geological places they occupy, they probably aren't the same whatsoever.

>>15389546
Yeah showed how shitty a Gundam show in reality is.

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>>15391361
Robots are Angels and Demons. Humans sell souls to demons to kill each other and Angels, who hate all the meatbags because Y.H.V.H. Mobile Armor hates all mortals.

>>15390633
Rustal is more like Eisenhower, in that he eventually did become president and didn't tank his own career by advocating to attack China.

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This is the ideal body. You may not like it, but this is what peak cutie looks like.

Any of these lessons gets contradicted by the show

>Don't bit off more than you can chew
Despite up to the start of S2 they did just that and were extremely successful. They just made one bad alliance. Even after the ending with Rider becoming a hitman is going to the extreme in a risky job for revenge.

>Don't take shortcuts
Like bombing a planet from orbit instead of having a hard fight first? Like always using a Gundam cause they outmatch everything? Like using your political leverage to make a situation go better?

>Give up while you are ahead
Nope, again look at Rustal. All these basic bitch morals you could attach to pretty much any series don't even work well here.

>>15391755
They were working with Macky from the start of S2, which got Rustal to use them to undermine Macky via a proxy war, released Hashmal because he gave them the chance to be Kings of Mars, which lead to IdIok and Jasley to cause the death of the Turbines as "Justice", with Jasley finishes off Lafter to antagonize them but Iok was grounded, and then that lead them to commit fully to Macky's cause.

Dainleifs weren't used until many troops were slaughtered by Tekkadan first. The shortcut would have been to use it immediately.

>>15391764
>They were working with Macky from the start of S2,
Wrong, and lets even pretend you are right you are still wrong on teh point cause they could have just stopped at the end of S1 or before S2 starts and still be fine. The point fails because they have constantly bite off more than they can chew yet pull through. The message fails when half your runtime contradicts it.

>Dainleifs weren't used until many troops were slaughtered by Tekkadan first. The shortcut would have been to use it immediately.
That is pure bullshit. If you are driving somewhere and halfway their find a shortcut, that doesn't mean it is not a short cut.

But also this just says hey use that short cut straight away as it was clearly the more effective tactic that would mean troops weren't slaughtered.

>>15391088

No.
Mika fell on his own sword. He lost on purpose.
He's the hero Tekkaman deserves, but not the one it needs.

>>15390727
The only point in Gundam is to have giant robots fight to sell toys

1st episode of IBO
>poverty
>protests
>evil companies using child labor
>girl that wants to liberate the planet shares second name with one of the SPD leaders
My thoughts: cool, maybe they would be able to make a revolution series, like Dougram!
Later episodes
>Bernstein akts like real Bernstein and depends on legal struggle methods
Okay... Let's wait for the colonial uprising.
>colonial uprising has no influence on characters
Fuck you, Sunrise
>Gjiallarhorn group is led by nuts noble broad
Irl she would be sent somewhere where her political influence wouldn't matter and her skills won't be required.
>Ein kills Azi, Lafter and that tekkadan fag
Wow, that's pretty heavy. I'm interested again
>they're revived without any injuries
FUCK YOU SUNRISE
Second season couldn't keep my attention. Fuck this, fuck the screenwriters, burn the creators alive at the Olympics Stadium.

>>15389476
Have a Plan B to Plan Z list ready, get Dainsleifs, lots of them and remember to make a baby if you think you're going to die soon. Babies don't make themselves.

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>>15391947

>>15392019
So, Legend of the Blue Wolves?

>>15391782
The usually pull through because they had proper backing. S1 had Teiwaz and Chocoman undermining Gjallarhorn from the background. S2 had Teiwaz and Gjallarhorn until after the fall out with the MA.

When Tekkadan cut off pretty much all of their ties, they started to get their ass kicked especially since Rustal didn't give a fuck about not using the Dainsleifs since everyone knew that they couldn't beat the Barbatos any other way.

Tekkadan's biggest problem was that they didn't know when to stop and kept trying for more before it all crashed down on them. They had no good reason to go on the King of Mars plan when they had Arbrau and Teiwaz (or at least the parts of it with real power) backing them.

Was Mika actually the protagonist or no? Why did he have zero development and ultimately be fighting for nothing?

>>15392035
Outside of being promoted in ads not really. If they had not done that people would be going it is cool that side characters are the gundam pilots.

By the end they were literally wheeling him in to just go I'm still here guys is it a fight episode yet?

>>15392035
He was a plot device
Sometimes he was the broken murderer child and other times he was the insightful leader everybody respected

>>15392035
Because shit writing.

>>15392043
>insightful leader everybody respected
Only the other delusional orphans.

At the end of the day, Mika wasn't really the MC. He was just the guy that rode the Gundam.
I'd say Tekkadan as a whole was the protagonist.

>>15392047
>I'd say Tekkadan as a whole was the protagonist
Most of them barely have a personality to speak of outside generic teenage anime boy who is occasionally hotblooded. They don't have much meaningful screen time or development. Watching people try to say they did is like getting blood from a stone where one scene they once said something and then later they muh familied so that is development.

Hush is one of the few they spent any real time on and they straight up drop him halfway through just to kill later.

>>15392019
How would S2 work?

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>>15392058

>>15392058
About the same.

>>15392047
And also McGillis and Julieta

>>15392055
While none have huge sidestories or time devoted to them, we do get occasional snippets of their development.
I'd say Orga goes through the only really substantial character arc.

But I still feel that this was the story of an organization, from its modest beginnings, its struggle to the top and its subsequent fall due to hubris.

As such I can see the worth of it.

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>>15389476
>What the fuck kind of lesson is IBO trying convey?
don't be Orga
don't be McGills
be Kudelia

>>15389476
McGilles is fucking dumbass.

He backstabbed his friends because he's edgy lone wolf then he formed an revolution group with nameless stupid cannon fodder.

Rustal has connections with almost every big economic group including Teiwaz.

Only mistake Tekkadan made is joining McGilles with some bad luck that Teiwaz internal conflict happened.

To sum up, don't trust edgy chuuni lolicon, seriously.

>>15392090
Listen to cool harem aniki, he knows best

>>15392134
this would've probably been prevented if Orga had just asked how McGills was planning to get the military/political backing required to beat Rustal

assuming he wasn't a big enough moron to think "muh Bael" was going to work flawlessly

>>15392134
At least garma got his revenge,Dozle would be proud

>>15390751
>lingerie-looking normal suits

I don't know how I feel about those

>>15389550
Well that's fine if you ignore all the asspulls and how McGillis was turned into a retard deliberately.
It doesn't even feel like a Rastal victory, all the space rat morons just jumped off a cliff.

>>15390751
>Redhead fuckboy with a TT-33
Yeah, that's what Amuro looks like

>>15390640
And then F91 happened, labeling the CCA lesson as being wrong.

The problem with Rustal winning is that he isn't remotely a good guy. This is a case of bad guy wins and then sets up a system which then means he keeps winning but people applaud.

Rustal has complete control of the police and military in the form og Gallajhorn. Because he played the media black out game he could break any law he wanted and no one would fight back. Then when he gets in power he declares it's a democracy which he can't possibly lose the vote in. As such it's like the neo cons and democrats, it doesn't matter who wins because it all comes back to the same power base pulling strings on both sides except they don't even need the second party in Rustals case.

Rustal (and then Julietta) have complete control of Gallajhorn. Then they outlaw Human debree (i.e. Gundams) which could fight against them. When human debree was only ever used by illegal pirates at that stage. Which in effect means he's banned something that no one following the law was doing any way but that makes it impossible for another Tekkadan to rise and challenge his might.

To put it bluntly. Rustal secured power for himself and then made sure no one could fight against him. He is the supreme ruler of the universe and whatever he says goes. Kudelia and everyone else jumping on his dick shows how powerful he has become and how he's twisting them round his little finger.

Agree or disagree with his policies but you have to see why Rustal is the bad guy in this scenario while pretending he's the good. It's modern politics summed up in a nut shell.

>>15392603
And just to point this out.

No one in Tekkadan had to die except Barbatos. Rustal needed that media shot of Barbatos's head. That's his key to power and he got it. All the men he sacrificed to Tekkadan and all the Tekkadan pilots who died were just for a photo op.

>>15392090
Dreaming and wanting more for yourself and your friends will get you all killed

You can get away with war crimes if you want to

Shitting without bodyguards is dangerous

Don't associate with pedophiles

>>15392603
>Then they outlaw Human debree (i.e. Gundams)
human debris is slavery, he didn't outlaw the AV thing.

>>15392621
>Dreaming and wanting more for yourself and your friends will get you all killed
Kudelia is alive tho

> jews follow different rules
goddamn

>>15392626
Human Debree's core component is the surgery.

>>15392639
Mika wasn't human debris, yet he had the surgery.
not sure if all human debris had it, but if they did its probably because they were cheap so might as well give it to them, not because their status meant they had to have it, at least afaik

>>15392630
She doesn't count because Kuderia Aina Bernustein sugoii

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>>15392611
How is any of that wrong again

>>15392639
No it isnt. And it's DEBRIS you ESL shit.
Human debris just means you've been kidnapped and trafficked into servitude. There are plenty of adult human debris. Turbines is full of them.

>>15392652
It probably will help though.
>Can't steal hundreds of potential Mikas en masse
>better conditions once relocated when pirates stopped prevent likelyhood of becoming PMCs or terrorists
>More justification in removing AV knowledge even if such mods are not illegal as most people can only do it on kids
It's a win for both Rustal and the world at this point.

>>15392603
>>15392611
God damn, nice posts man. It's evocative of real-world politics and has touches of issues like "is it better to be ruled by an extremely competent but somewhat corrupt person, or to live impoverished but free?"

Not sure it needed an entire Gundam show to get that point across though, that makes it even more depressing if anything.

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>>15389476
Kids ain't shit but midgets and crips
-Rustal Elion

>>15392603
>Then they outlaw Human debree (i.e. Gundams)
While this is technically wrong you still have a point

This not only makes him look good but also makes him stronger as any group using them is either an illegal organisation or a PMC that just saw half its workforce set free or require hire pay with better conditions. His only opposition are PMCs filled with adults yet we don't see any of them outside the Mafia I guess. Any that would oppose are probably to scared anyway.

Kudelia is such an idiot she'll get child soldiers to be illegal and enrolled in Rustal's school for good little blonde boys.

>its Char got diddled in the ass

Couldn't take this show seriously after that reveal.

>>15392805
it was that which was the final straw and not any of the many other warning flags prior to that?

>>15392626
AV was already illegal and outlawed. That's why the Battle at Edmonton was such a big deal, the privileged earthnoids who hate AV found out Gjallarhorn and some martian terrorist kid both had AV.

>>15392603
Tekkadan was always the wrong group to challenge his might. They didn't actually represent the people, the last time Martians asked them for help they got cold feet and (in retrospect wisely) tried to stop the Martians from doing anything. They only helped McGillis in a military coup that was internal to G-horn. And it doesn't matter if he's a bad guy or not, he's still a better leader than McGillis who led everyone down a suicide path and thought he should be king of G-horn for piloting Bael. And the world Rustal created is better than anything McGillis or Tekkadan could come up with, considering the only person between McGillis and Tekkadan with any real leadership skills was Biscuit, who died ages ago.

>>15392831
>it was that which was the final straw and not any of the many other warning flags prior to that?

Final straw. Man-Ass Sex is just something no story can bounce back from for primordial reasons:

https://youtu.be/Hf-5fV7s63w?t=84

>>15392836
>AV was already illegal and outlawed.
it was never illegal, it was a social taboo among earthlings

>>15389476
Reality's a bitch, and everyone has their limitations, but despite not making it through to the final scenes his contributions made the progress of the rest of the team possible. He was a piece of something greater than any one person.

This is basic-boo-boo, are you actually 12?

On my part as someone versed in warfare, I agree that it is so seldom that you can turn around such a huge strategic and/or tactical disadvantage in -- using IBO's timeline -- one to three episode.
Their war was already lopsided 60:40 to Rustal's side the moment Gaelio's survival hastened McGillis's plans, because it diminished all his supply of time that he could've spent gathering more solid forces that can match the strength of Arianrhod Fleet. To quote Napoleon Bonaparte, "Space we can recover; time, never."
Obtaining the mere symbol of authority held by Gundam Bael is not enough. It is more important to win hearts and minds.
With the series finally completed, all cards of both the McGillis faction and the Arianrhod Fleet are more or less clear. We can now analyze in retrospect that this war was decided by three things:
First is, as said before, Gaelio's survival, because this exhausted all supply of time that McGillis could've used in gathering more strength.
Second, is the decisive loss (not victory) of Shino failing to hit the bridge of Rustal Elion's command ship. Had Tekkadan not come up with that bold maneuver, the war's decisive victory would've been the showering of Dainsleifs against Tekkadan and the McGillis Faction. Morality aside, it was a deviously brilliant move by Rustal Elion to frame up his enemies for using illegal weapons they don't actually possess in bulk. Because, 1) it allowed him to concentrate against Tekkadan and the McGillis faction an overwhelming weapon that they have no means of matching, and 2) it made the Arianrhod Fleet appear to actually have the moral high ground in the eyes of spectators in that universe. He won two aspects of war in that maneuver:

>>15392954
On my part as someone versed in warfare, I agree that it is so seldom that you can turn around such a huge strategic and/or tactical disadvantage in -- using IBO's timeline -- one to three episode.
Their war was already lopsided 60:40 to Rustal's side the moment Gaelio's survival hastened McGillis's plans, because it diminished all his supply of time that he could've spent gathering more solid forces that can match the strength of Arianrhod Fleet. To quote Napoleon Bonaparte, "Space we can recover; time, never."
Obtaining the mere symbol of authority held by Gundam Bael is not enough. It is more important to win hearts and minds.
With the series finally completed, all cards of both the McGillis faction and the Arianrhod Fleet are more or less clear. We can now analyze in retrospect that this war was decided by three things:
First is, the political and military.
Lastly, the total victory of Rustal Elion was achieved with his use of media to set up Tekkadan and McGillis as villainous as possible in the eyes of the world, like a twisted variation of the 1968 Tet Offensive that made the US public lose its support for its armed forces in the Vietnam War.
Notice though, that the first and second reasons for Rustal's total victory and immediate advantage can be attributed to one thing: plot armor, or in the real world, either bad luck or lack of due cautiousness.

>>15392885

MUH REALISM

>>15392836
McGillis wanted a society where the strong could get into power if they earned it. Rustal wants a democracy where the people in charge make the people think they have control. The first any one with enough will power and ability can rule, the second no one but Rustal will ever rule.

I'll take McGillis's philosophy over Rustals any day.

>>15392954
Your entire bullshit post is summed up with this 1 line.

Rustal had Dainsleifs. No one else did.

That is literally the reason Tekkadan lost. A weapon which could defeat an other wise untouchable Gundam.

>>15393113
The problem is with McGillis thinks X is it is never really made clear when he is lying and when he is not. At best his last scene they play around and sort of address this.

This is something done much better with Char decades ago.

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>>15389649
>>15389682
>>15389659
I'd like to see you fuckers take on a hundred grazes. I'll be waiting

>>15393513
>aim at exposed hydraulic joints
>win
The Graze is shit, nothing in IBO is good.

>>15393513
But Guts did the same when everyone was KO'd

>>15393113
>McGillis wanted a society where the strong could get into power if they earned it. Rustal wants a democracy where the people in charge make the people think they have control.
And both have no idea about how does the state work.

>>15390081
Wow, Pocahontas in space!

Oh wait, that's Avatar's plot.

try again

>>15393966
That's not what that guy said at all, you retard. Also quit redditspacing.

>>15393987
>that guy
>(You)

>>15394003
>no argument

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>IBO Gundam
>If you are a cute girl you will be heralded as the Revolution Maiden and get to hang around boat loads of hunky boys but never be allowed to have sex ever

Is there anything more exciting than a day in the life of Kudelia Aina Bernstein?

>>15389476
The message was that spacenoids will never win and our souls our weighed down by gravity, just like every other Gundam show

>>15394022
what kind of argument do you need?

>"I created a setting more appealing than IBO in a minute!
>says the anon to himself

Also:
>the entire plot of the series is based on fucking ores and minerals as mcguffin
Don't you realize the limitation to this?
>Also, that wouldn't be possible with the iron fist of Gjallarhorn Mars branch and the iron grip of the Earth Economic Blocks to their colonies, only at the end of the series those two elements were removed by a treaty of the most powerful people on Earth and Mars, after a space-scaled rebellion and by using a lot of political power plays and intrigues, and the sacrifice of many.
The last part was just one side plot of the entire series fucking anon "I pretend I know how to be a writer and how writing works"

>>15390117
wow, the winning army committed war crimes in the name of victory and gets to set the terms for peace talks? That's what happens in the real world

>>15392621
>Dreaming and wanting more for yourself and your friends will get you all killed
I would say dreaming for a better future is fine but you shouldn't resort to one particualr path to take yourself in. Always be open for other routes to present themselves or allow for alternative methods to get that done
>You can get away with war crimes if you want to
Only if you win, losing the fight means your fucked no matter what
>Shitting without bodyguards is dangerous
agreed
>Don't associate with pedophiles
Correct

>>15389985
Realismfags a cancer. You're too focused on surface-level details to see that the writing doesn't make sense. Most of the characters act unrealistically. The way the plot moves forward is extremely unrealistic. Even the Gundams are superpowered despite what anons are saying. The only thing that can stop a Gundam +AV in this series is either another Gundam +AV or a Dainsleif, which are strong enough to takedown an entire ship in one shot. The realism is just as bad as the other AUs, but you think it's realistic because
>muh kinetic fighting

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>>15391070
>>15391060
might want to take the UK out of green

>>15390057
>>15390137
>>15393987
>>15390206

What in the fuck is /m/ becoming

>>15394411
It looks like it's being reclaimed by nonredditfags

>>15394421
No, this is a different flavour of rudeness than old /m/. That was dismissive, this is just dickish.

>>15390709
>Children don't buy model kits
HAHAHAHAHAHa hahah.

Hahahaha.


Ha.


That, that was a good one, I had a good laugh.

W...wait, you... you're serious?


Hahahaha, oh wow.

Where Tekkadan went wrong is that they turned violence into a career. At the beginning of S2 they had several good things going such as a partnership with an economic bloc and a mine, but ultimately lost all of them in exchange for brute force.

That said, their fall is not entirely their fault. The Arbrau Branch dissipated due to the war Rustal engineered, and their connection to Teiwaz was severed when Jasley was being too much of a cunt to ignore. It can be surmised however that when Orga accepted the "King of Mars" idea (and maybe even earlier, when they were getting buddy-buddy with McGillis early S2) Tekkadan ceased to be merely a military organization and instead became a political player, something the organization was not ready for in any way.

>>15389476
No its no matter how hard you try to change your situation, you are born the way you are. Can't change jack shit. This point was proven when mcgillis sidekick was talking to gali gali about privilege and shit. As well as tekkadan trying and failin. Obviously. Fags.

>>15394589
>Where Tekkadan went wrong is that they turned violence into a career
Almost ever character in this show can be described this way. This is too generic to be a serious flaw
>but ultimately lost all of them in exchange for brute force
If they stepped in when Iok was going after Naze, they'd still have the Turbines. If McMurdo communicated better that he knew Jasley was behind the attack and he was okay with them going after him, they would still be part of Teiwaz. They lost them due to the plot needing them to have McGillis as their only ally, so it has everyone act like a retard to accomplish this.
I agree with the rest of your post though

>>15394032
Kudelia fucked. She just prob wasn't ovulating

>>15394603
Space fucking aristocracy.

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>>15390955
Shigeto Koyama drew all the characters, the style was meant to be a combination of Nagano and Sadamoto.

Coincidentally he also designed all the FSS-esque Cybodies from Star Driver and Kiltgangs from Captain Earth.