>Fucks over the protagonists every step of the way >commits

>>15387110
It proves that shitty orphans and PMC's should stay the fuck out of the way or get BTFO.

>>15387110
Powerful Nation First!

If Tekkadan never existed then nothing would have changed
Them challenging the oppressive government was what inspired McGillis, Rustal to seek changes
You could say Tekkadan were the true heroes of the story

>>15387148
No they were the villains.

Villains act, Heroes react. ;^)

>>15387110
There was no point for anything except to sell model kits. They succeeded. Time to move on to the next season.

Whatever message doesn't work

Ghorn falling apart meant there had to be changed, but there was nothing to say it would be the change others wanted. Rustal could have become a dictator, maybe others would have fought for power or many other possible scenarios. Being a democracy doesn't even seem like a likely one. And we don't even know if the corruption is gone, Rustal being in power says not likely and I doubt a world democracy would be done fairly.

If they didn't challenge him this wouldn't happen, but they also failed and it may have not gone their way with many not there to see it anyway.

So in failing what you sort of want can be achieved but if you luck out but it will be done by the worst possible people.

>>15387148
>what inspired McGillis, Rustal to seek changes
No it didn't, especially the second one. You could try and force McGillis as he does give them some live service of you guys are great but he had been scheming for a while and the idea of him hating corruption was established before he really started talking to them. If all it took were some merchs fighting back someone would have done it already.

>>15387110
They were going about it the wrong way. Tekkadan, McGillis, Dort, all of them were trying to achieve their goals through the use of violence. If they suceeded, it would be like the ending of season one where their actions inspire everyone and their uncle to take up arms and get their own piece of the pie. Meat-Dad doesn't like that, so to preserve order he does whatever he has to in order to put them down. Then, once everything is calm he does reform the system in order to address these issues, working to reserve the peace he's restored. He wasn't working to maintain his own power, he was trying to prevent further suffering from happening even if he had to get his hands dirty to do so.

Farewell Rustal, you magnificent stallion you.

>>15387274
>Whatever message doesn't work
The message worked fine. Tekkadan is a bunch of stupid ignorant children who don't know how the real world works, and they got strung along by Macky another dumbass manchild who didn't know how the real world works, and both got fucked up by the real world.

The show was terrible and failed to make any of this fun to watch, but the message was there and it did manage to drive the point it, just hamfistedly.

>The Bad Guy Wins: Downplayed example. While he does manage to destroy Tekkadan as an organization and wipe out McGillis' Revolutionary Fleet, he is forced to reform the rest of Gjallarhorn into a more democratic organization in order to save face, including having to disband the Seven Stars altogether, thus losing his position and much of his former power.
>losing his position and much of his former power.
He's the President. What the fuck is tvtropes smoking

>>15387361
> all of them were trying to achieve their goals through the use of violence
>Meat-Dad doesn't like that, so to preserve order he does whatever he has to in order to put them down.
Violence is bad unless certain people do it

>He wasn't working to maintain his own power,
just fuck off

>>15387373
Except that wasn't the message you stupid fuck.
>>15387361
Man these Rustal trolls are easy to spot its like people who defend the Winderans from Delta

>>15387274
Rustals democracy actually works quite well.

He's not some dictatorial monster nor is he power crazed, but he'll do whatever he feels necessary to maintain order.

Leveraging his heroic image while grooming his successor works really well.

>>15387390
>Violence is bad unless certain people do it

Violence itself is not necessarily evil. If we kill and animal for food or fight back against our attackers for the sake of self-preservation, does that make us evil? No it does not. What does make the action evil is the intent behind it.

> just fuck off

Just a reminder, Sir Iok the Brave will go down in history as dying valiantly against the evil forces of Tekkadan.

>>15387374
>He's the President. What the fuck is tvtropes smoking
The Seven Stars was basically a monarchic dynasty. President is a step down since it implies he'll be up for a re-election sometime rather than being a king.

>>15387274
>Being a democracy doesn't even seem like a likely one. And we don't even know if the corruption is gone

I don't know what kind of fairy-tail bizzaro alternate dimension you're from but corruption will always exist, especially in government. In the end Rustal's government is better than the previous gjalls for literally EVERYONE

>>15387374
>browsing TVTropes

What are YOU smoking?

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>>15387274
This. In away its both frustrating and cowardly at the same time since it doesn't say anything in the end.

>Tell a classic gangster tale of a small up start organization that tried to get to big and was struck down in the end by people of higher authority
Okay cool that's something that has never been done in this franchise before and it'll be something of a bittersweet storyas well
>Make the villains an unstoppable force just because they need to be and not because that;s how they're set up to be all while giving them no interesting characterization
Okay whatever the theme of the story is still intact that's the real only flaw but it can still work
>Completely undermine the goal of your characters by saying that organization, who they had been fighting all this time by stating reformed anyways off screen anyways

So...what the fuck was the point? A status quo ending would have been cruel but would have served the narrative well but going back and doing this is not only a slap in the face to the audience by completely undermines what the message was trying to say and now the show doesn't really have anything anymore.

Its like Banrise intervened to make sure the ending wasn't too tragic by saying things just got better in the end not knowing that it makes tredging through everything ultimately pointless in the end.

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>>15387148
Tekkadan, through their use of brute force to do literally everything, actually inspired McGillis to stop all his underhanded scheming and instead to just try for a do a straightforward fight and "might makes right" revolution.

Literally ruined everything.

>>15387274
I didn't mean that Tekkadan invented the idea of revolution but their actions are what led to the change of the 300 year traditions of Gjallarhorn, even if that wasn't their intentions
Julieta even had that Mikazuki sugoi moment at the end of the battle where she said how great Tekkadan really was compared to everyone else

>>15387423
>Rustals democracy actually works quite well.
Not really, we'll just told its working because the switch comes out of nowhere and shit needs to wrap up
>>15387454
>>15387448
>>15387361
Man these Rustal trolls are easy to detect

>>15387423
>Rustals democracy actually works quite well.
How do you know this?

Oh right we get exposition saying everything is good now, I wonder why some people would not find that satisfying?

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>>15387374
>TVtropes

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>>15387466
>Completely undermine the goal of your characters by saying that organization, who they had been fighting all this time by stating reformed anyways off screen anyways

Tekkadan never wanted reform or anything so noble. They simply wanted a place for themselves, as vague of a notion as that is. And this goal was still undermined because Mika himself stated that they already had everything they wanted.

>>15387484
Sure, I get that.

But despite how hamfisted it was, the narration nonetheless says that things are working out well enough.

>>15387526
>the narration nonetheless says that things are working out well enough.
Yep who needs to actually see anything if the narration says its the case then everything is fine. Look at A/Z.

I haven't watched this show, but can someone tell me what happened in tl;dr form? Sounds like an interesting ending.

>>15387567
isn't that what AGE did?

after the final boss fight, they wrapped it up by saying the war continued for another 37 years and then they created a magical machine that erased mars rays

and then they timeskip to flit gundam memorial museum

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>>15387110
>Fucks over the protagonists every step of the way
>commits multiple war crimes
>in the end, manages to win
>even achieves the goals of the people who fought against him
Looks like Gundam's take on WWE booking.

>>15387591
Antagonists win, protagonists die, world is better for it.

>>15387617
i dont get it

>>15387591
>Be pic relate
>use 1 banned demon killing round against myself
>Fire back with a fleet of banned demon killing rounds
>Accidentally the whole main antagonist
>proceed to trap whats little left of protagonists
>Rain down demon killers from space
>???
>Reform world police as per Main Antagonists original scheme

>>15387110
Their actions created the power vacuum which made Rustal change the things they are. Think it's like shitty Dougram.

>>15387110
So just like real life.

At least Gali got Best End

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Jesus, /m/...

>>15387676
McGillis believed that he was the rightful ruler of Gjallarhorn because he was chosen by Bael and was going to make Orga King of Mars.

McGillis totally did not want a democracy or fair rule of Mars.

>>15387771
New Hero, New Legend
For /m/, like /m/.

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Orga wanted to be a dictator of Mars; Rustal reformed Gjallarhorn and was elected president.

Who is the villain here gentle/m/en??

Rustal = Sunrise Bandai
McGills = Tomino
Whiners = Tekkadan and mobsters

Rustal is what Treize should have been from the beginning

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Internal change works. Rebellions built on idiotic ideals without real plans fail.

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>>15387771
We can't be happy that a hero won?

IBO doesn't have a message, like life itself. It's not about being good or bad, being able to change things or not, it just happens and that's all. More realistic Gundam ever.

>>15387921
The stupid comments just keep coming

>>15387938
Are you a good person or a bad person

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>>15387950

Why do people act like Rustal was some sort of magnificent bastard character like Lelouch? The guy did nothing to deserve that reputation.

>>15387950

He has one over Lelouch. He never sorties ONCE in a Mobile Suit to win anything.

>>15387908
/m/ is jealous

>>15388001
>Why do people act like Rustal was some sort of magnificent bastard character like Lelouch?
Some people are dumb

>>15387908
>>15388048
>>15387950
This is the worst bait ever.

>>15388067
The original image was bait. I'm legitimately happy Rustal won. Orga and Mika were the worst parts of IBO. They never grew and held everyone around them back with a vague and unclear idea of what the fuck they were doing.

>>15388102
>They never grew and held everyone around them back with a vague and unclear idea of what the fuck they were doing.

Doesn't this also apply to Rustal? I don't mind that he won, but he was a pretty boring villain. Even Iok winning would've been more satisfying, because at least he had some character to him. Half the reason I think they'll do a movie or OVA is because it just feels like Rustal is there to die.

>>15388144
>Doesn't this also apply to Rustal?
He also wasn't looking to change the world. His goals are far smaller and thus more achievable in a satisfying manner.
He had to kill some space rats, succeeded, and decided it wouldn't be a bad thing to do some reforms because he's got the political clout to do so. Not bad.

>>15388001
Rustal didn't need to rely on the power of a magical eye and pseudo bullshit 'strategy' to win his battles. He stayed away from the actual battles, and abused the shit out of the most powerful weapons available to him. He wasn't a magnificent bastard, he was a real life general stuck in a mecha show and made them all pay for acting like retards.

>>15388144
>Doesn't this also apply to Rustal?
Yep, why do you think he just reformed GH out of nowhere despite no prior built up to that being his intention? Another slap in the face to McGillis or Okada's weird way of saying Tekkadan's actions weren't completely worthless? Either way I think people would have been more satisfied with Gali or his sister using McGillis death to motivate them to change GH but instead its the guy's worst enemy who does it while Gali becomes a cripple accomplishing nothing. Its like they tried their hardest to not make the ending satisfying, thank god for Ride killing that fat fuck though

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>>15387617
YOU SEE TEKKADAN
UUUUH
IN THIS BUSINESS
UUUHHH

>>15388166
>Rustal didn't need to rely on the power of a magical eye and pseudo bullshit 'strategy' to win his battles
Yeah instead he needed to rely on instant win WMD, massive army and bad writing.

>>15388166
>he was a real life general
>this is what idiots actually think

1. If Julietta hadn't gotten a luck shot in vs Shino he would have been dead
2. If Tekkadan wasn't being retarded they could have wiped out the Graze encirclement on the first night and moved to another location
3. If Gaelio hadn't won his one-on-one duel Macky would have killed him

The only thing he knows how to do is use the rail-guns, while his opponents don't know how to deploy a visual curtain in order to neutralize them.

>>15388192
>bad writing
>implying Lelouch can't count on it too

>>15388198
>If Mika just did his job taking on the Monkey, Shino wouldnt have missed
Big surprise Mika wasnt feeling too bad about it afterward.
>If Chocos unbreakable sword didnt break
im kind of upset they didnt elaborate on this further. Pretty sure Mikas tail got a higher kill count then either of those swords and it was the only thing on him that didnt break

>G-Reco ends with the guy who purposely engaged a conflict from behind the scenes dying in the same conflict in a minor accident

>IBO ends with the guy who decimated a group of rebels with WMDs and an entire army becoming president and essentially doing what the rebels wanted

And yet people say that G-Reco's ending is unsatisfying

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>>15388192
>A railgun is a WMD now

>What's the point of MLKJr if Johnson passed those civil rights bills anyway?
>What's the point of Jesus if the Romans became Christian anyway?
>What's the point of humanity if an infinite universe could spontaneously develop an AI overmind anyway?

Unironically i find this ending more satisfying, leading to yet another season or a movie.

The dead of the "Cumpa" was so anti-climatic...

>>15388230
Rods from God have never not been WMDs.

>>15388222
The one thing these endings have in common is irony. In G Reco's case it made sense and the ending was satisfying.

>>15388230
>railgun somehow can now act as a Kinetic Bombarding machine
>a volley from it can somehow completely destroy and change terrain
Man those are some funky railguns.

>>15388236
sorry, meant to quote >>15388222

idk wth happened.

>>15387437
he's president in much the same way most third world countries are democracies

>>15388236
>Unironically i find this ending more satisfying
Well of course because you're an idiot.
>The dead of the "Cumpa" was so anti-climatic...
He died in a war he created. That's probably the most thematically satisfying end to a villain you can get

>>15388230
Maybe not WMD, but it was a banned weapon. Not sure what our equivalent of that would be. Are cluster bombs officially banned or just frowned upon?

>>15388222
>>15388222
So your saying G Reco is generic bullshit we've seen a thousand times while IBO is subversive kino?

>>15388198
1. Bullshit. Why is Shino allowed a perfect shot despite his Gundam damaged, his footing uneven, his armed fucked up and blood bleeding from his head but Julietta isn't? And Mika even acknowledged he had fucked up in the scene.
2. And how the fuck do you wipe out the Graze encirclement? Wouldn't that be the same type of bullshit asspull you're accusing the other side of? Barbatos is a top-tier mobile suit, not an invincible god of war like other Gundam from other anime like to portray them as.
3. Gaelio had the backing of a fully realized AV system and a fully upgraded Gundam while McGillis was trying to do everything by himself with an original and unmodified Gundam. The entire battle was in Gali's favor from the start. Hell, even the data says it was the original pilot that made Bael great, not the Gundam itself. Accept the fact that McGillis fucked up by placing all of his hopes on a single Mobile Suit.

>>15387110
>So what was the point of Tekkadan and the rest of the show if he did all they wanted? For no real reason?
Well, someone had to be target fodder for his Dainsleifs.

>>15388166

I don't care if Rustal was more realistic. He was boring. Almost any other outcome would've been preferable since every other possible winner was more interesting than Rustal.

>>15388247
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-materiel_rifle

>>15388254
>subversive
The MC losing is a common literary trope

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>>15388222
Piña Colada started a war, Rustal stoped it before it started
>>15388235
People remember Jesus unlike kekkadan
>>15388242
>>15388244
see >>15388253 now that's an argument

So in the end Mika dies, not fighting a great foe who could actually challenge him, not fighting for a greater purpose, not even in a climactic manner, but because he got Dainsleif'd while fighting some unnamed mooks.

Wow.

>>15388254
>A show that ends with a message that essentially says stop watching cartoons and go out in the world

>A show that essentially laughs at you for actually finishing it because the writers didn't give a shit about the cast or the story

I guess bad writing is considered subversive nowadays?

>>15388255
>Why is Shino allowed a perfect shot
Because that was Tekkadans strategy, a strategy Rustal failed to predict and only failed because of luck.

>Barbatos is a top-tier mobile suit, not an invincible god of war
Have you watched ep 50 where he is missing an arm and still none of the Graze can even touch him? Hell the encirclement was temporarily broken by Macky alone.

>The entire battle was in Gali's favor from the start
Explain to me the strategic value of a one-on-one duel?

Your argument is that he was a real-life general in an anime.

He isn't, he doesn't have a strategy other then pelting the enemy with rail-gun fire. Everything else is left up to chance and his opponents acting like idiots.

>>15387110
The whole point is that Rustal couldn't have done it without them. He agreed with choco's objective but disagreed with his extremist methods.
Mcgillis and Tekkadan's struggle was the spark needed for other, less crazy people, to achieve those same goals in a non-retarded way.

>>15388265
Name 1 (Uno in Spanish) Gundam where the protagonist faction loses in the end

>>15388277
And the monkey rightfully claimed his head after he couldn't put a fight.

Monkey a best! :^)

>>15388277
RAISE YOUR FLLLLLAAAAGGGGGGGGGGG

>>15388288
Yes the show makes sense if you consider[massive assumptions].

Must be nice being a writer for anime, just write nonsensical garbage and let the apologists fill in the blanks.

>>15388295
Destiny. Evil won.

>>15388295
0083

>>15388277
To be fair, they needed to resort to nukes to actually kill him, nevermind if mika would've lasted much longer against an entire army by himself

>>15388295
00 s1.

>>15388190
fucking read this with his voice.
Hey anon you watching Wrastlemania 33?

>>15388288
>The whole point is that Rustal couldn't have done it without them.
Except there's literally nothing that suggests it. As another anon stated he just went with the flow to save face which was smart, had shit to do with Tekkadan or McGillis

This couldn't even be a good Gundam show, let alone a good show.

>>15388283
And it only gotten as far as it did because the plot wanted it to. It was unpredictable, but it was prone to so many factors, both controllable and uncontrollable, that him even getting a clean LoS in the first place was an asspull already.

Macky didn't break the encirclement, he simply drew their attention enough for a single car to get away. Try doing the same for all of Tekkadan and I'll guarantee you, they will all get Orbital Bombarded to death within the next minute.

The one on one duel is purely symbolic for his troops as well as testing Gali's loyalty. If Gali wins, then that's all there is to it, but if McGillis wins, Rustal can simply attack him afterward, when he was weakened. Gali was still an outsider, unlike Julietta, Rustal has zero reason to fully place his faith in him.

And what the hell is wrong with pelting them with abusing rail-gun fire? I mean, that's like saying all US doing is bombing enemies from the air and using artillery support instead of charging in with soldiers and gun for every battle.

>>15388277
This is what happens when you ask for no beams

>>15388295
00 S1.

And even you counts 00 as one whole thing then 00 still counts because Trailblazer had the protagonists get wrecked until Telephone Gundam makes a Phone Call which was less a "win" and more clearing up a misunderstanding.

>>15388277

In fairness, that was probably the only way to stop him, considering that he's just naturally better than almost every single enemy pilot in the setting.

>>15388301
Memes
>>15388305
Ok I forgot about this fucking Kou
>>15388311
Not THE end

>Kudelia looks older
>Rustal doesn't
this fucking guy

>>15388328
>that him even getting a clean LoS in the first place was an asspull already.

Only because its Tekkadan is it considered an asspull.

>>15387780
Mcgillis wanted a world where snyone can rise up to power regardless of their standing.

>>15388347
Kudelia was still growing.

>>15388328
>Macky didn't break the encirclement
>car to get away

So he broke the encirclement.

>but if McGillis wins, Rustal can simply attack him afterward

While McGillis is literally inside his ships hangar? How do you supposed that would play out?

There is no helping you is there? You are dead set in your own delusions.

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>>15388338
Ok I admit I haven't gotten around to watching Awakening yet but

>Trailblazer had the protagonists get wrecked until Telephone Gundam makes a Phone Call which was less a "win" and more clearing up a misunderstanding

Kek I really should

>But they fought on just to live as humans
Not really, though? They fought on because some retard with dumb hair told them to. They could've retired as humans easy peasy and then fucked all of that up for no real gain.

>>15388345
>implying this is the end

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>>15388252
>He died in a war he created
It is more that he died in his war in such an innocuous way. He had all these grand schemes but at the end of the day he wasn't the big master mind he thought he was. War is at times pretty random and you don't always get a blaze of glory to go out in. It felt like Tomino going fuck this kind of character.

>>15387110
>So what was the point of Tekkadan and the rest of the show if he did all they wanted?
Being a retard villain.

>For no real reason?
To get their shit kick in by the good guy.

>>15388359
The ship was exploding and drifting randomly, the Gundam itself was damaged, the pilot himself was physically messed up. And somehow, someway, he ended up on a position where he get a perfect lined up shot directly into the bridge with zero obstruction. It's less of the matter that it was Tekkadan than so much as everyone has some degree of plot armor, not just Rustal and his group.

>>15388277
I dunno being nuked from orbit while fighting an entire army sounds like a pretty metal way to go

>>15388381
>They could've retired as humans
No they are human debris. Not considered as human unless they do something about that status.

>>15388277
Hey remember in season 1 where the brewer guy brings up to Mika how he likes killing? Hey remember when he kissed Kudelia? I sure can't wait to see him develop as a character and have a conclusion with interesting thematic significance

>>15388369
A single fucking car got out. What you're suggesting is that the entirety of Tekkadan breaks out. Are you that much of an idiot to not see the difference of magnitude between the two?

McGillis was alone with a gun and his Mobile Suit busted up. Knowing what kind of person McGillis was, he was just going to charge right in and try to solve things through brute force. McGillis has a near zero chance of succeeding at that point.

>>15387468
Kek.

>>15388392

>The ship was exploding and drifting randomly

No it wasn't, the ship was deliberately set on a course to Rustal's flagship. That was the plan for the entire last portion of that episode.

>>15388344
>naturally better

He was the only character in the series with 3 AV plugs.

>>15388424
And it was shot up to hell. It was moving on pure inertia. If the ship even list just a tiny bit or the damages has caused the explosives to prematurely go off, or something had damaged the 'floor' where Shino was on, Shino wouldn't have been able to get that obscenely perfect shot into Rustal's ship's bridge.

They tried to make a point even a small pebble can set off a wave

And they failed

>>15388439
Ein did but had no Gundam to suit it

>people expects gundams to do miracle
>but they didn't
>they are merely better machines
>not god

I think this is why the cult revolted

>>15388468
>not god
>had to call in a orbital bombardment on 2 Gundams because nothing else could touch them

Yeah whatever, remove the railguns and Barbatos alone takes over the solar system

>>15388439

So, naturally better.

>>15387110
I have to admit that I was salty as fuck that Rustal and monkey survived. That fat weapon dealing fuck got what he deserved and in the most perfect conditions, same goes for Idiok. Monkey should have died by Barbie's reactors overloading while he rammed into her reginlaze and die in a blaze of glory, as for Rustal he should have been shot by Gaelio that would afterwards reveal all of Rustal's war crimes and become the president of the new GH. I wouldn't even mind Mika, space guts and the others dying in the lat ep if that happened.

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>>15388451
> It was moving on pure inertia.

No it wasn't? Its thrusters were on the entire time.

Rustal's forces thought it was just a derelict ship being used as a shield for the Isabiri and immediately stopped shooting it when Isabiri stopped hiding behind it.

>>15388488
>artificial enhancements are natural

>>15388518
He's naturally better because he's able to get those 3 enhancements
Remember Hush's brother killed himself because he couldn't even handle one

>>15388511
>Monkey should have died by Barbie's reactors overloading while he rammed into her reginlaze and die in a blaze of glory
What meaning would there be in her death? What did she do that would make that rewarding for the audience?

>as for Rustal he should have been shot by Gaelio that would afterwards reveal all of Rustal's war crimes and become the president of the new GH
Now that would be a complete asspull and make no sense. I mean first I don't believe Gaelio would do that. And then yeah lets let this crippled asshole who just assassinated a member of the seven stars be president. I mean he just had a inspector/military specialist role before pretending to be dead for several months and coming back as an emotionally unstable weirdo in a mask, obvious GH president material, everyone would love that.

>>15388511
Tekkadan groupies everyone. Retarded self-destructive mongrels who would rather have more global strife over a few broken eggs rather than an ending that gave Mika's child and Martians everywhere a brighter future led by Kudelia.

>>15388540
>What did she do that would make that rewarding for the audience?
Her living isn't rewarding to the audience either
>Now that would be a complete asspull and make no sense.
Just like Rustal reforming GH

>>15388540
not him
>What meaning would there be in her death?
I would mean both sides truly suffered in the war

As it stands things went mostly pretty well for Gjallarhorn, minimal loses and kept power if not were promoted. It is unsatisfying to see one side with such strong plot armor, same problem with Tekkadan last season. You want to see both sides have a real struggle, not just take magic bubble baths of healing.

>>15388540

She, uh.

Indirectly killed Shino?

Enough for some, I guess.

>>15388540
>What did she do that would make that rewarding for the audience?

What has she done to make her survival rewarding for the audience?

>>15388278
The story of IBO is "Don't be a retarded chuuni"

Tekkadan was a bunch on anarchists. In long game they would have just made things worse. It's always conservative powers that keep making things better for everyone.

>>15388591
Being that typical female pilot that's only skill is surviving
>Fa
>Roux
>Elle
>Cecily
>Marbet
>Allenby
>Noin
>Sochie
>Lunamaria

>>15388591
She was at least able to reflect on her battle with Mika and add some small detail to the ending. Her being alive isn't some hugely important thing but it gave some small resolution to Gaelio's story and added an extra perspective on who Tekkadan were to her in retrospect.

Her being dead adds....? Gaelio being sad? Would take matter? Rustal losing a protege, does that impact things?

>>15388512
After Eugene disconnected from it. It had zero pilot from that point on, and immediately afterward, the Dainsleif barrage hit it. We know the destructive power of those things. Any single hit had the potential to drastically alter the course of the ship, but it didn't. It still ended up tilting in the way that gave Shino the perfect shot.

Of course, it should be noted, at this exact moment, Mika had knocked away Julietta from his own mobile suit at this moment, probably to go and retrieve Shino, but that just gave Julietta a clear perfect shot of her own at Shino instead.

>>15388403
SOME of them are. Most aren't.

>>15388611
She's also one of the few to get developed in S2 (not physically looking at her after the final battle) and one of the few pilots able to at least not instantly die to Mika or Akihiro despite being in a prototype grunt and having no AV

>>15388611
>She was at least able to reflect on her battle with Mika and add some small detail to the ending.
Yeah which didn't really amount to anything significant

> but it gave some small resolution to Gaelio's story and added an extra perspective on who Tekkadan were to her in retrospect.
You can easily replace her with his sister in fact in would have made a lot more sense that way since both of them knew and loved McGillis and would have added more than the bullshit we got.

>>15388611
>She was at least able to reflect
Her reflection was fuck all, she might have well gone they truly were the Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans Season 2. It wasn't any kind of development or interesting perspective they just threw the Mika boner at her like everyone else

>thing but it gave some small resolution to Gaelio's
She didn't add to his resolution, in fact him being unhappy and alone would add more cause it shows that revenge is not a good thing

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>>15388641
>that revenge is not a good thing
It's a wonderful thing

>>15388540
>Now that would be a complete asspull and make no sense. I mean first I don't believe Gaelio would do that. And then yeah lets let this crippled asshole who just assassinated a member of the seven stars be president. I mean he just had a inspector/military specialist role before pretending to be dead for several months and coming back as an emotionally unstable weirdo in a mask, obvious GH president material, everyone would love that.

Gaelio becoming a cripple doesn't really mean anything. Revealing Rustal's crimes would justify shooting him as they were of the most heinous kind. Preventing his identity from being found out by wearing a mask isn't such a bad thing and are you trying to say that being angry at a guy that you trusted , seen as a true friend and tried to kill you is a bad thing?

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So who was this bitch, why did she get this scene?

>>15388602
They were mercs. It'd be really weird if anarchists ended up getting contracted as defense for one of the economic blocs.

>>15388611
In retrospect I think Julieta is probably my least favorite character from this season. Even Iok was convinced right up until the end that he was doing the right thing; Julieta knew the entire time that she was working for a man with the personal ethics of cockroach, and just followed through anyway.

>>15388655

Yes, the most heinous, like, uh.

Using admittedly illegal weapons to rout a force that was resisting you and showing no sign of surrendering, and committing perfidy.

The gravity of his transgressions cannot be understated, clearly.

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>>15388617
None of the Dainsleif's hit the engine or thrusters because they were on the opposite side. Look the fucking ship is still moving with thrusters on in the same direction

It would be bullshit if they magically went through that far when all uses so far have only shown them to be capable of puncturing, but not cleanly passing through ships.

>>15388540
>And then yeah lets let this crippled asshole who just assassinated a member of the seven stars be presiden
here is an idea, don't say who is president. Don't go everything is stable and lovely now show that there are political divisions and that things are being worked on so something good may eventually come of all this.

Having everything be peachy at the end doesn't work, it goes against the show and it goes against the ending up to that point. It is like some exec came in and said no add in some happiness this too dark. It is almost like the end to that shitty titanic cartoon

>The worst gundam protagonist loses and dies

EXPLAIN /M/ HOW IS THIS A BAD END. TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO BE ALIVE

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>>15388675
ends means bro

>>15388672
Crazy mechanic lady.
Appeared in cour 3 offering the chance to test out Julia to Monkey, appears again when describing AV Type E (and has a evil smirk), mostly in background doing shit like repairs. Really smug over Julia.
She seemed fun.

>>15388672
Looks like she was just ahppy about repairing Bael?

She might be a bit disappointed about no more war and AV surgeries though.

She's cute.

>>15388672
He was TEAM MEATS Mechanic, which means she was the brains behind ALIGN MY VAGINA E-Type and Vidar, that stinger scene makes some people think she is experimenting on a surviving Mika since he was "just" unconscious when he and Julietta finished fighting.

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>>15388695
>that stinger scene makes some people think she is experimenting on a surviving Mika since he was "just" unconscious when he and Julietta finished fighting.

That sounds fun

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>>15388559

>>15388255
Shino was using a railgun. Julietta's shot on him was basically sniper rifle proficiency while in melee with what appears to be a close range weapon. Shino would have also been fairly far away from her. Her shot actually hitting would have been a one in a million. Basically Shino failed because plot. Not logic. Had Shino failed on his own accord, it'd have been better.

>>15388672
Eventually Tekkadan's/Gjallhorn's world would have became anarchy led by mercenary manchildren. Rustal made the world better place.

>>15388695
>experimenting on a surviving Mika
good fucking god no.

>>15388512
You're seriously going to argue space physics in a show where purple humanoid robots swordfight in zero-g?

>>15388677
Honestly this would have been a lot better without the epilogue. I got real 'russian literature' vibe from the last arc, wherein the protags all die or fade into obscurity with no real impact and the world marches on without caring.
Having this little segment at the end and explaining that everything turned out just fine is just a little campy.

>>15388676
There was giant fucking explosion just moments before Shino had his shot. Any sort of slight listing or turning would have screwed over Shino's aiming, but it somehow magically managed to turn in the way everyone wanted it to. Like, it was rigged to explode, so somehow none of the Dainsleif managed to hit any of the critical spot and somehow the explosions didn't alter the course in any way was really pushing their luck to the max.

>>15388721
We honestly have no idea how far away the two were though. I mean, throwing an arm in space, where there isn't any sort of gravity or air resistance and hitting a relatively close target isn't that far of a stretch. I mean, I'll admit it was pure luck that it hit the launcher, but a hit anywhere would have alter the course, even if it's slightly, would have made it in a miss.

>they don't even bother to end on ORPHANS NAMIDAAAAAAAAAA
what a shitshow

>>15388721
>Shino would have also been fairly far away from her.
How do you know this without a common point of reference between Shino and Julieta? Its fucking space, how can you judge distance?

>>15388744
I mean she would be totally into harvesting Mika's brain and wiring it directly into a Gundam just as the "true AV" of the days of old.

>>15388672
Almaria was suspiciously missing from the epilogue, for all we know she could be the one getting experimented on.

>>15388672

Arianrhod's chief mechanic. She's responsible for Gundam Vidar's creation so some gosh darned respect please.

>>15388785
I fucking hate Freesia
>>15388803
Wouldn't aniki oppose that?
Granted, he didn't seem to care for her during his revenge quest.

>>15387921
ZZ Gundam was more realistic than this

>>15388817
Moon Moon

>>15388817
Obviously, unlike IBO it wasn't anime.

>>15387879
McGillis was a failed Treize Kushrenada.
Rustal is a successful Zechs Marquise.

>>15388675
You maybe forgot that those rail guns were used on defenseless civilians? Mafia dealings?

This is an example from the wiki:

>Unlike many of his contemporaries, Rustal is not a power hungry man but rather someone who work with the goal of establishing order and peace in Gjallarhorn's domain. However he is absolutely willing to use force and underhanded tactics to destroy anyone who threatens his interpretation of order and peace.

That good enough for you?

>>15388838

>used on defenceless civilians
>mafia dealings

Unless my memory is hazy, those were both Iok's initiatives, not his.

>>15388838
If this is true, why did he start the war between economic blocs in the first place?

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>>15388793
>Mika comes back full prosthetic a la Ghost in the shell.
>Mecha body gattai's with Barbatos body where the head used to be
>Cyborg Zombie Mika tries to destroy the peaceful world his enemies in life constructed
Sounds terrible but I would watch it

>>15388838
To be fair that was Iok being a fool.
Rustal at least used them in a war setting

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>>15388825
Are you telling me it's not anime? It's true?

>>15388840
Nobliss was working with Rustal. Not sure where this railgun on citizens thing is coming from.

>>15388786
>>15388763
They were far enough apart that Mika couldn't go retrieve Shino before the timer on Hotarubi went off, suffice to say, quite far.

>>15388295
Zeta, technically

>>15388848
Nobliss was a weapons dealer and businessman.
He still made deals with Teiwaz to prolong Iok's life

>>15388695
>that stinger scene makes some people think she is experimenting on a surviving Mika since he was "just" unconscious when he and Julietta finished fighting.

Mika looked quite dead when he crashed into Julia.

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>>15388856
I never really think about it that hard but you're right. Axis won the Gryps Conflict. Which beat themselves in the First Neo Zeon war.

Thinking about it, I'm fairly sure Rustal's family Gundam would have just been a walking Dainsleif on legs.

>>15388854
It could have been that Shino, like the idiot he was charged into the enemies instead of retreating. After that sequence Mika can't retrieve the wreckage.

>>15388867
Yeah, but they are basically clinging on to Julietta saying "He is already unconcious" rather then "He is already dead" as THIS IS PROOF PEOPLE, just check this thread to see the reasoning.

>>15386808

>>15388845
I prefer:

>Gjallarhorn completes secret experimental project of repairing Barbatos Lupus Rex and replacing the cockpit with a unit that just wires Mika's brain directly into the Gundam.
>The brain harvesting and experimental installation cause pretty severe memory loss with Mika, and after they get the information they want from the experimentation that put Barbatos into storage.
>Hundreds or thousands of years later shit is fucked. The world is totally different, it's a new post calamity era. All knowledge of Gundams and AV is long lost.
>Some population stumbles across Barbatos under whatever circumstances and have no idea really what to make of it.
>It becomes activated and Mika has lost recollection of his life as a human. Literally becomes a giant machine devil awoken from it's slumber by a technologically unsophisticated civilization.

>>15388889
Nah, senpai. Keep the shit about Mika losing himself, but then just end it with "him" being found by a new group of Tekkadan lookalikes a hundred or a thousand years later. Make it all cyclical and shit.

So I stopped watching this boring slog at ep 16 of first season, from time to time I lurked the threads to see if some interesting fights with good animation came out but obviously it never happened.

Does this thread mean that president baddie won and tekkafags all died?
What about shitty char clone #15?

>>15388936
>Does this thread mean that president baddie won and tekkafags all died?
half of the tekkafags died, most of the main ones at that.

>What about shitty char clone #15?

died to shitty garma clone, irony.

This ending was a steaming pile of dumpster fire, what the hell was that. Fuck yeah Ride but that little monkey bitch should have bit the bullet with Iok the punk bitch motherfucker. Rustal king of punk bitch motherfuckers should have died too. I hate fucking Gaelio and I rather he be king of the dirt. Rustal is a scummy piece of shit I have ever had the chance to witness, never again will I watch anything with that whore's name attached to it, fuck Okada.

What were the best songs on the IBO OST? I remember one in particular that was done with Spanish guitar or something, but I have no idea what it's called.

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>stupid, edgy children get BTFO by smart, skilled military leader despite having the extra special Gundam and believing in themselves super hard
>stupid manchildren that self-insert as the morally questionable leads also get BTFO and will never recover from the rectal damage

Thank you, based Okada. This is a Tomino end, better than Tomino himself could have delivered.

>>15388951
>died to shitty garma clone, irony.
Top kek, glad I ditched this stuff.
Too bad because with good animation it would have been entertaining, as it was it was only boring.

>>15388936
Char died to his Garma who came back after nearly getting killed.
Shino, Mika, Orga and Guts died.
Pres. baddie won but still had to change some of Gjallarhorn's structure to keep power, including Mars liberation and no more human debris.
Tekkadan got disbanded but most of the survivors lived happy lives, either in government, caring for kids, etc.
Kudelia is president of Mars now.
Only a few including Ride started to want vengeance and struck out.

>>15388936
Yeah Rustal won and got all the credit for ending the whole ''threat''and not all tekka guys died, some of the major and minor ones survived. Mac of Gillises was offed by Gaelio.

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What matters is the best girl lives, her continued living triggers people which gives her existence even more merit.

>>15388990
It's not enough.
There would be waves if Iok survived

>>15388971

>had to change some of Gjallarhorn's structure to keep power, including Mars liberation and no more human debris.

Doesn't that mark the decline of Gjallarhorn then?

Likewise, isn't Gjallarhorn falling out of favor given the rest of the nations on Earth are re-arming for their own defense instead of entrusting it to a neutral organization?

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>>15389004
we only have room for one unkillable idiot in this franchise though.

>>15389023
True

>>15389023

>we only have room for one unkillable idiot

Isn't that most young kids seen in a Gundam plot?

I remember the White Base orphans being about a bright as a sack of rocks, yet shrugging off explosions and avoiding gunfire easily.

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>>15388672
She put a lock on Bael

Ride was literally the best part of this shitty ending.

>>15389004
>There would be waves if Iok survived

The sheer mass of butthurt and the psychic emanations to follow would be so great that something like a chaos god would come into existence.

>>15389008
The events of the second season somewhat restored their prestige by destroying Tekkadan, but shit like losing three Seven Stars members needed a major overhaul. Became democratic and still had some influence, but has been heavily scaled back, hence Mars independence.

>>15388973
>>15388971
Sounds like a great plot with very poor execution,

So what was the best fight of IBO?

>>15388672
>tfw Mika son will discovery his dad was in coma after the last battle only to use his brain to make some AV system like Ein

>>15388277
Mika would have wiped them off the Mars surface if not for the nukes.

>>15388277

proof that /m/ is full of faggots

>>15389040
Now that he did die, people are pretty much happy, even if the ending was eh.
>>15389044
Pretty much.
>>15389048
Kimaris v Bael.

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>>15389036
Katz got it, it just took him a little longer

>>15389048
The fights that Tekkadan wasn't involved in.

>>15388845
>Introduce new character: "AV-Hunter"
>Hunts for AV pegs on people
>Cuts them off and implants them onto her own spine
>Ends up with 30+ implants
>Plug into Super Sycho Gundam Lucifer

>>15389065
>>15389065
fuck, why don't I remember this.

I need to rewatch UC.

>>15389065

Figures Ideon would be it.

But to be fair, who didn't get it then?

Didn't Tomino himself and Amuro (or some joker who looked like him) get killed in that particular Anime?

>>15389072
>her

>>15388511
I rather had had this ending. Hell I will take a complete fucking asspull of Mika going 100%, fucking up all the troops on the surface and blasting off to space to fuck Rustal's ship in the ass. Monkey can even survive but Rustal needed to get his pussy ass out of his chair and do shit with his own hands.

>>15388883
No because he didn't get very far, he was shot down almost immediately.

>>15389051
Hoping for a movie eh? As good as it would have been it's highly unlikely.

>>15388889
What you're describing would make more sense if he was the calamity event.

Thought I'd ague, since he already gave control over almost his entire body over to Barbados, it'd make more sense to go with something like Ghorn's legend about Bael activating for a worthy pilot.

>>15389098
>get very far
There it is again, without any points of reference you can't judge distance in space.

>>15389043

Have they still kept destructive technology that can lead to the development of Mobile Armors out of the hands of those that might actually build such devices?

To me, the re-arming of nations seems like it could mean that the world might eventually return to the arms race that nearly lead to it's destruction more than three centuries ago in that setting.

>>15387110
>Rustal being perfect.
>Iok being an idiot all the time.
>Gaelio doing nothing wrong.
>Tekkadan being sympathetic but misguided. >McGillis being delusional
>All the nonsensical gaps in plot and idiocy on her enemies side
I'm convinced that IBO is just Julietta's retelling of what actually happened. It definitely feels like everyone is portrayed from her perspective of the other characters

>>15389126
Was she supposed to show herself as a derp without much of her own personality in that case?

>>15388845
Oh come on. You and I both know if he comes back, he will still be fully human and wearing a mask.

>>15389077
The ending of Ideon was literally "everyone in all of humanity dies and all the aliens also die."

>>15388881
>Two Danslief launchers on each shoulder that self generate Danslief
>Electrified spike on it's back to fuck up Bugs near it
>So huge people mistook it for an MA
>It's actually just Grand Gundam

>>15387110
>So what was the point of Tekkadan and the rest of the show
To get retards like you to watch a garbage show.

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>>15387110
And Tekkadan started acting more like mindless thugs the more power they and were just as corrupt. Every single party in the show is corrupt but Julieta and Mikazuki.
Kudelia was useless and only watin for the right time to act and play the Justice. Makanai, Teiwaz, Seven Stars, Space Soros. all of them were corrupt. that is nature of how things are in the geopolitical field.
If Orga wasn't such power hungry idiot and manipulative bastard he would stop at the end of Season 1 and educate himself and tekkadan more than half of the cast would have survived. Notice how every single one of few inteligent Tekkadan members are alive. idealism alone won't make you win shit. you hve to be constant making plans, fight against other people for something you want, and "law sharking" life as much as possible if you want to actually achieve something.
Rustal was more experienced he knew that gjalahorn turned into a shit hole of corruption and that reform was necessary. he knew that if reform wasn't made there would endless Tekkadans appering all the time. you crushed this one? guess what? multiple one will arise and that is because are not doing shit to change how you, the big boy is playing.
Mcgillis was a CCA levels of Char's dumbness. of even worse since he actually believed in a lot of crap from 3 centuries in the past and act like a total idiot with no back up plan and was surrounded by Rich and idealistic playboy that are also dumb as fuck because they neven learned how the World actually works.

>>15388672
Agnika Kaieru. She became immortal after overclocking with Bael too much and just likes to fuck around with people now that she had retired from Gjallarhorn leadership.

I love the dainsleifs because they show how retarded focusing only on melee combat is
Hopefully they never make that mistake again in future shows

>>15389785
I kinda love how the retards who defend the writing in this show as just as dumb as the writing itself.

>>15389790
It kinda feels like a Rock, Paper, Scissor situation here, Dainsleifs counter Gundam Frames, Gundam Frames counter Mobile Armor, Mobile Armor counters Dainsleifs.

>>15389800
same for the retards who can't make a argument for shit and likes to troll and shitpost

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>>15389790
>they show how retarded focusing only on melee combat is
I really hated that. It takes a lot of effort to explain away why shooting no longer works when the entirety of human warfare technology has been about stabbing some other dude from far away without endangering yourself further.
It was made even worse when they showed that a nano-laminated MS had actually fair relative survivability against the Hashmal's beam attack.

It essentially made every conflict a fucking slugfest that could have been solved with an aerial bombardment with some aerial MS running anti-MS interference until rebel populations and bases were done for. The oversized Lupus Rex mace really took the cake though. It was such a downgrade from the pretty cool bastard sword.

>>15387110
was the equivalent of zeon winning and then going "ups sorry let me rebuild everything i trashed"
i laughed hard

>>15389937
Nah those guys at least have a point. Can't say the same for you and the people who like this.

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>>15389946
That is an incredibly shit picture.
But yes, it's just the Reginlaze Julia holding some different weapons.

>>15389946

If you look further into the episode of more shots she is actually quadrupled.

>>15389979
I blame youtube quality

>>15389988
I was just hoping it was someway customized more than just being the Reginlaze she's had since the start of the S2

>>15388041

You use everything at your disposal. Sometimes that includes yourself.

>>15389785
>t. upper-middle class Anglo-Saxon who knows how hard "the real world" is

The point was that they did all the work, and Rustal threw them under the bus for the greater good of peace.

Yeah, life's not fucking fair.

>>15389979
worst mobile suit
worst pilot
worst mullet

>>15389979
>>15389988
>>15390004

The Julia basically has platform shoes that it wears in space but can be pulled off with the skirt thrusters. It looks quadruped because she's dragging a second set of feet behind her.

>>15390495
Rustal would never have reformed Gjallahorn if Tekkadan had not appeared, for the exact reason he opposed McGillis attempting to overthrow it- because he benefited from it's corrupt state. Their manipulations of government politics, control of illegal weapons as a trump card, their sheer forces, and political and corporate connections were far too good to give up, and none of the seven stars ever would have given these things up willingly, and that's exactly why McGillis resorted to brute force to try to get over.

He also resorted to Bael, which he was very clearly sure was a hoax, and attempted to manipulate Bael as a means to control those who believed the lie of Bael and Agnika Kaeru trumped up by the echo box that was Gjallahorn so that he could get an edge. He knew exactly what he was doing. He didn't idealize Agnika Kaeru because of his Legend, h did because Agnika Kaeru, in a harsh time, seized military, political, and corporate power, and took total control, something the young, powerless McGillis wanted to do himself. He knew it was a bunch of nonsense, but it was the best plan he had.

And the combined threat of Tekkadan and McGillis, on top of their previous humiliation by both, made Rustal realize that these things HAD to change or the same problems would continue to arise. He understood exactly how corrupt Gjallahorn was, especially in his speech about "respecting history", and telling Julieta that he was one of the "shady" people he hated.

Nothing would have changed if they had not been driven into an ideological corner.

>Alright we're gonna fuck up Rustal with the Super Galaxy Cannon!
>lol no i stop u ook ook eek ook

>Alright we're gonna tunnel out of here and Orga's fixing shit up in the city
>lol no Orga's dead

>Alright Guts and I are gonna kill all these shitheads
>lol no shitty bullshit railgun

>Alright I can still fight let's go Barbatos
>lol no i win again ook ook ook AH AH AH EEK AH *throws feces*

Fuck whoever decided this depressing tripe was a good idea.

>>15391501
At least Iok got what was coming to him

>>15387110
At the very least Julietta is about to become the next president and she seemed very sympathetic towards Tekkadan so she'll prevent people from ever having to live like them again.

Also, who gave Akatsuki Mikazuki's bracelet? I can only imagine Julietta would do it since Rustal's not the caring type.

>>15391539
>so she'll prevent people from ever having to live like them again
Rustal already did that. Human debris were made illegal.

>>15391553
Yet she still remained Rustal's loyal little dog. She can't have been too upset over anything that happened.

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Did you guys even pay attention while you were watching this show? Go re-watch every scene with Rustal in it. He's pic related. He's a pragmatist, opposite to Macky's idealism. He's been around the block, and he's more than cognizant of how the world works. The fact that he did what he did at the end of the series isn't surprising.

The fact that the show gave us these idealistic dreamers as protagonists and then slapped them down in the end with a hard dose of realism is a wonderful subversion of the genre's tropes. The morality of IBO very grey, and the core conflict of idealism vs. pragmatism felt compelling enough for me to give the show a pass.

But I'm under no illusion that IBO is perfect. The fact that Rustal had barely any lines in the final episode was fucking criminal, and the show's themes were muddled under 50 episodes of inconsistency and thumb-twiddling.

IBO wasn't perfect, but it definitely had a lot of potential to be so.

They did make it very apparent though that Julietta's not completely okay with how things turned out. It's actually kind of interesting. She's one of the only people that truly realized what was sacrificed and the lies covered up to achieve the current peace since she saw it first hand. I always just assumed her deadpan look was because she was sort of a boring character...but at least in the very end it kind of takes a different meaning cause she basically has to stomach being a false hero and knowing they slaughtered a bunch of kids that actually didn't have to die.

>>15391542
AV was illegal in the first place but they still did it. I'm just saying, with Rustal pulling back from Mars it seems like it's just for show for now but Julietta might be one to enforce the illegality. Not to mention there are still human debris kids out there who probably haven't transitioned into normal society. There's a lot to be done in their world.

On another note, was Akihiro implied to have gone berserk? He went into that black death world and when we see Gusion at the end it has more damage, one sword is gone, and the other one got broken off inside Gusion's body.

>>15391574
Kudelia's narration said Ghorn almost lost its power so they did kinda need to die, like Rustal said for the sake of restoring Ghorn's authority. The fact that Akihiro and Mika fought so hard kinda lends to Ghorn's credibility and allowed it to recover the power to make its reform worthwhile.

>>15387110
have you ever watched a yakuza movie?

>>15391572
Rustalfags are reaching Ezelcant level delusion

>>15391574
Julietta is the naive kid who slowly learns how the world works throughout the series. She's the only one who not only saw every angle of every conflict, but experienced them first hand, learning from each battle fought. She knows all about Gaileo x Macky, Tekkadan's true nature, and Rustal's as well. Probably why Gaileo mentioned she might become the next head honcho of G-Horn.

She didn't get a really good ending though if you ask me. Just sort of "well, that's how it all went down, and I'm a better person for it." Just another victim to the show's rushed finale.

>>15391592

If, and only IF they made a sequel series though I could see her becoming a pretty interesting character.

>>15391592
>Probably why Gaileo mentioned she might become the next head honcho of G-Horn.
I think he was just implying that she's the popular pick for next head honcho because of her role in defeating the Tekkadan's devil.

>>15391592
It's like she was the protagonist all along. What a mess.

>>15387674
Triple H use to hate/butt heads with Vince Mcmahon (owner of WWF/WWE) back in the day. Now Triple H "basically" runs the WWE now and is in the boss man position that he used to fight against.

>>15391599
>AUTHOR WRITES HERSELF IN ON THE SECOND SEASON.
>THE SERIES SUDDENLY REVOLVES AROUND HER.

Geeeeez, here have I seen this before?

>>15391599
She's more like an audience surrogate for the finale. We're meant to understand the world through her and understand that the Tekkadan kids were just victims of a cruel world. Even though the show didn't really do a good job portraying them as anything other than victims and heroes...

>>15391499
Macky didn't believe squat. He always held up Agnika Kaieru as a childish ideal from when he first read about him as a kid. Gjallahorn itself didn't even think it was anything but a fairy tale, and as Rustal points out to denying a fairy tale is what a reformist like Macky SHOULD be doing, because a myth is not the same as historical fact.

He even talks in a preview about how Agnika Kaieru must have had the same problems as him, ignoring an outside threat existed that allowed Agnika to found Gjallahorn upon: the defeat of Mobile Armors.

In the end Macky's actions ended up being the threat that dangered the solar system just like the MAs did in the past.

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>>15391572
>Did you guys even pay attention while you were watching this show?
Actually its the fact that we paid attention makes it easy to call out Rustalfags like yourself on your bullshit fanfiction.

>The fact that the show gave us these idealistic dreamers as protagonists
The Tekkadan weren't idealistic, they saw the world as being bullshit and essentially wanted a place for themselves. They were willing to get their hands dirty to achieve such dreams and actually wanted to bail out once they saw that McGillis was just a crazy retard.

> and then slapped them down in the end with a hard dose of realism is a wonderful subversion of the genre's tropes
>Realism
Nope it just kept pilling on bullshit after bullshit to the point where you have to wonder if the writers just hated them, its not a subversion since these types of stories are very common in fiction and it sure as hell isn't unique for Gundam either.
>The morality of IBO very grey, and the core conflict of idealism vs. pragmatism felt compelling enough for me to give the show a pass.
No you're just a fucking idiot but please don't expect you can get away with spouting such bullshit here and not expect to get called out on it. This show tried so hard to be grey but it winded up being entirely goofy not really wanting to do much of anything. Had the show ended with the Tekkadan's actions being rendered worthless and everything returning to normal then yeah it would have been very grey but then the ending pulled a fast one with
>All the surviving members get better lives due to the sacrifice of the core members
>Essentially what the Tekkadan were fighting for winds up becoming a reality anyways
>GH gets reformed because that was a dangling plotline that needed to be taken care of

So everything is fine, what could have been a bleak ending is just a standard by Gundam expectations but then again idiots like you seem to think all Gundam anime ended with sunshine and rainbows/

>>15391599

She's more the "fly on the wall" type imo.

>>15391627
King of Mars isn't a place for themselves. It's ruling over a fucking planet that your new BFF who promises to take over the world said he'd give you. Tekkadan was completely fucking retarded for even considering the possibility of becoming super villains much less going through with it only to get cold feet after you thoroughly fuck up your assassination attempt.

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>>15391499

I'd actually be a lot more satisfied with the ending if a civilian representative got elected to be president like Obama in 00 S1, but no, Rustal has to rustle my jimmies till the end. I know it's more logical that the dude holding the most power would naturally retain that power for a smoother transition, but it's just infuriating how he's never made to pay for anything.

>>15391637
>K-k-k-k-king of Mars!

Why do people keep using this as an argument when Orga pretty much gave up on it once he saw that McGillis was full of shit?

>>15391643
It's his smugness that gets me. Even at the end he had that shit eating grin, as if leading a weakened Gjallarhorn was his goal all along.

>>15391637
King of Mars was just bullshit McGillis brought up and was never the core goal of Tekkadan it had always been them finding a place where they belong not rule Mars, Orga promptly drops the notion of ruling the planet once he sees McGillis for who he truly is . The rest is just horseshit Rustalfags tend to spout.

>>15391649
>Why do people keep using this as an argument
Its the same people who say that Tekkadan got too greedy hence their downfall. The show did a very poor job of showcasing this.

>>15391643
Gjallahorn is a military orginaztion. He's voted in by the mooks that Macky always ignored that weren't dumb and gullible enough to join his revolution.

Mars Branch guy even says Rustal got everyone in Gjallahorn united under him after kicking Mackys ass, setting off for Mars to finish the job.

>>15391650
>smugness

While we're at it, here's another one of my pet peeves. Chocoman keeps getting these scenes where he acts smug like he has a plan for everything, but in the end his plans are literally stuff fucking Iok could come up with. Taking off the bird mask lowered his IQ by a hundred points or some shit.

>>15391627
The only thing I don't understand is how you managed to get so worked up over this shit that you ended up talking over your own head and making zero sense. This isn't some kind of deep literary analysis. IBO is as basic as it gets. If you can't understand that, at the very least, then just stop posting.

>Tekkadan weren't idealistic
Then let me re-phrase it. They were hopefuls. They were the "keep fighting for a better future and everything will work out because we can dream" type of people. "Iron flower that never wilts" and all that shit. Orga's central conflict is about whether he should be a dreamer or a realist, and which path will lead him to better serve his people. And on the other hand, Mcgillis is the very definition of an idealist.

>Had the show ended with the Tekkadan's actions being rendered worthless and everything returning to normal then yeah it would have been very grey
For fuck's sake, do you even know what grey morality refers to? It means there are no explicitly "evil" or "good" characters. Just normal people trying to do what they think is best, and how they come into conflict because of that. That is the Rustal/Mcgillis/Tekkadan conflict down to a T. Rustal even jokes about how he's a "shady evil guy" when he's anything but, as I already argued.

>So everything is fine, what could have been a bleak ending is just a standard by Gundam expectations but then again idiots like you seem to think all Gundam anime ended with sunshine and rainbows/
Where is it written that IBO needed to have a bleak ending? Is that what you were expecting in your retarded headcanon or something? Also, IBO didn't end with sunshine and rainbows. In case you forgot, every main character fucking died.

>>15391678
No he just loved Agnika Kaieru so much he thought everyone was a fanboy that slept with Agnika and Bael bodypillows.

He let his childish fantasies from when he was a boy, to his obsession with power, specifically brute force, to guide his actions. Despite knowing Vidar is Gali and would fuck it up.

People acting like Rustal isn't corrupt gets me right in the sides. This dude is one of the oldest and single most powerful and influential people in Gjalallahorn and he has done nothing to change it until now. You can easily infer that to mean that he had no problem benefiting from Gjallahorn's corrupt state.

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>>15391680
>Y-y-y-yo just don't get it

Great start to an argument

>They were hopefuls.
So what? They weren't naively idealistic like you're trying to pin them as, they knew that the road they paved was going to be filled with blood, of course they were going to have hope for a better life but the last few episodes they pretty much accepted their fate, it was something they saw coming.

> It means there are no explicitly "evil" or "good" characters
But there are, Rustal and the Nobilese guy aren't remotely good people and the show does not actually try to leverage them by giving them human tendencies. The show TRIES to present things in such a matter but its still very much a black and white story.

>Just normal people trying to do what they think is best
Well one group are just people who are trying to live in a shitty environment doing their best to survive by any means while the other is using illegal WMD and blantantly exploits the media to hide this fact to keep up the status quo of a corrup military organization so he can remain in power...you know shit NORMAL people do, this is what you're trying to pin as moral grey, this is why I'm laughing at your stupid ass.

>Where is it written that IBO needed to have a bleak ending?
That's pretty much what the series has been leading up to with Tekkadan falling and everything turning to shit and the fact that Rustal won the encounter despite their best efforts.

>Also, IBO didn't end with sunshine and rainbows.
>Everything the protagonists worked for comes to fruition'
>The world is in a much better state than it was in the beginning
>All the surviving members go on to live better lives

But because half of the main cast dies it means its subversive and dark.

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>>15391501
>Alright we're gonna fuck up Rustal with the Super Galaxy Cannon!
>lol no i stop u ook ook eek ook

>Alright I can still fight let's go Barbatos
>lol no i win again ook ook ook AH AH AH EEK AH *throws feces*

>>15391579
>AV was illegal in the first place
No it wasn't. It was just frowned upon by Gjallahorn

I don't get this notion people have that Tekkadan's whole struggle was pointless. It's not like anything they did is suddenly defunct.

Rustal basically rigged the game from the start, and patiently waited for the right opportunity and power vaccuum created by McGillis and Tekkadan's efforts to his advantage.

Things turned out well enough yeah, and that just makes Rustal a more complex character but that doesn't mean he's a nice guy or a "good guy". He had his own vision of what needed to be done to establish peace and stability in the region at all costs, even if it meant slaughtering a bunch of children who had already surrendered. The guy's a fucking monster, but a monster with a sound plan.

Someone in another thread compared him to Tokugawa, and it's actually a pretty apt comparison. They're both incredible opportunists who patiently waited to take power during a vacuum to enact their own vision of peace. And as many will tell you, even if it brought hundreds of years of peace, Tokugawa was not a nice man.

>>15391758
>compared him to Tokugawa

i wanna see that post actually, i unironically liked the tokugawa.

>>15391758
>>15391768
Seeing Rustalfags push their stupid fanfiction is more entertaining than the show itself.

>>15391851
t.salty Tekkedan shitter
Honestly most fan theories and and ideas from trhoughout the second season at least sounded more interesting than what we got. Mostly with McGillis

>>15388672
When it comes to this lady all we can do is specualte since its unlikly we'd get a S3 or movie.

Ive been wondering about the calamity war and why something like Mobile Armors where even created. They're not exactly A.I. so it stands that they had human creators.

Since this lady gets a hard on about people losing their humanity, and now that Bael is jointed to the ground, i think she's happy because she's part of the Mobile Armor faction and that Baels lockdown probobly works to whatever plan a MA faction would have. but thats just a thought.

>>15387110
>>15388655
When it comes to Rustals criminal actions, i feel that Teiwaz is the one to reign him in in exchange for more power.
When the oya-jii holds the queen or king chess piece, i think its to do with either Kudelia or Rustal and how he has them playing to his own game.
Since Teiwaz is pretty influential, and the old man knows that Rustals 'Heroics' are full of shit, the old man probobly had Teiwaz people dig up ALOT of dirt on rustal that could break him and Gallahorn by proving that Tekkadan where more victims than criminals and that Rustal manipulated things to ensure things got seen that way.
But since doing that would be bad for buisness, he probobly chose to make the "deal" that was mentioned to get more power from Rustal, as well as more influence into making Rustal allow for more freedom in Gallahorn. as to why, i feel that the old mans liking to Tekkadan and Mika probobly influenced him to do his part in ending the human debris and child soldier problems with Kudelia and Rustal
.

>>15387110
What a horrible villain.

How do you get away with committing the sheer amount of war crimes he did, with witnesses?

>>15391936
Witnesses mainly trying to distance themselves from this in order to not get killed, media manipulation in general.
Poor writing.

>>15389790
The dainsleifs were banned for a reason.

In real life we have geneva conventions to determine what we can't do in warfare and I'm pretty sure Rustal violated basically all of the IBO equivalent of that.

>>15391959
I don't think anyone would complain about resorting to nukes (especially if they don't permanently scar the environment) if the thing they were trying to take down was a monster that could casually swat away every other form of counter.

>>15387110
Other villains take note. A good PR, not putting your feels in front of your reals, and the willingness to repeatedly spam your super weapons in a non-stupid way is the key to success.

>>15392096
Most villains don't have a magical media man who controls all media from earth to mars

>>15388277
It's like you've never watched Scarface.

>>15387110
>For no real reason?

They were cunts.

most Gundam fans are fucking idiots.

they would've liked for Rustal to whip out his family Gundam and died in a pointless 1v1 fight with Mikazuki.

Well fuck all of you Tekkadan shitters.

Rustal takes out the murder midget and akihiro the brainless muscle head with a deinsleif orbital strike. Then goes on to reform the world for the better.

Btw, it's good to remember that Tekkadan didn't give a shit about Martian independence or better conditions for human debris, no, they wanted to be Kings of Mars. Hell, just to show how fucked up of a group they were, Mikazuki admits to Julieta he doesn't even know what a cause is, they were just rabid dogs that needed putting down.

>>15392247
>Most fans of a robot anime would like to see the villain fight in a robot

Wow what fucking idiots. It's a good thing fun and excitement are beneath such gentlesirs as you and I!

Realismfag genocide fucking when?

>>15392266
Enjoy your TTGL shit fag

>>15387894
Internal change only worked because external forces fucked over most of the people in power.

>>15387617
>war crimes
Because using anti-armour rounds to take out your enemies and their ridiculous scifi armour is so morally wrong

>>15388645
Best fucking ending ever

No "OMG IF YOU KILL HIM YOU'LL BE AS BAD AS HE WAS!!", no pissing about, just walks up and cuts him down.

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>>15392096
>. A good PR, and the willingness to repeatedly spam your super weapons in a non-stupid way is the key to success.

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>>15389004
> Iok survives
> he's the one st up as the next Ghallahjorn boss instead of monkey
oooh oooooooh

>>15388192
Yep. American to the core.

>>15392096
hi normie

>>15391936
Same way USA gets away with everything
We all know they commit unethical actions in war but we also know we want to live in this world of feedom

Twenty bucks say Agnika Kaeru was just the Julieta of the time, somebody's frustrated lackey pilot that ended up famous just because they got the last shot in and the narrative was deemed useful by those in charge.

>>15391959
They don't really fit in with the weapons that are banned.

>>15391959
You're an idiot.

They aren't banned for a reason like chemical or nuclear weapons are.
The only reason they are banned is because they are crossbows that let serfs murder knights.

>>15391959
>The dainsleifs were banned for a reason.
which was..?

>>15392521
>we also know we want to live in this world of feedom
Speak for yourself anon, I have no delusions that this is a world of "freedom"

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Another asshole who sat on their ass won.

>>15391959
Except the reason for their banned status was never really given besides "SUPER POWERFUL RAILGUNS" and that Gallejorn didn't want any future enemies to use them against their fleet and mobile suits

>>15392468
fake surrendering, killing non-combatants, refusing to acknowledge a surrender, killing POWs, working with the mob in secret, need i go on?