Pretty sure there has been many threads made to talk about it

The second best movie in the franchise, Anno did perfect with the budget and crew he had.

Maybe not a masterpiece but it was a remarkable movie without any major flaw

Liked the cinematography, the editing, the fast dialogues, the politics and the action scenes, also Shin is one of my favorite Godzilla designs

9/10

>>15370207
From a cinematic perspective, Shin shits all over pretty much every Goji movie to date.

Unfortunately it's so bland and unoriginal that it did nothing for me. I kept comparing the movie to Contagion in the back of my head because it was essentially the same story but with a giant radioactive lizard instead of a lethal disease, and the execution and characterization of Contagion makes Anno's movie look like a bootleg by comparison.

>>15370207
I loved it a lot, and saw it in theaters twice. Easily my 2nd favorite Godzilla movie after the original. The song that played when he fired his atomic breath for the first time still gives me chills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOhVEiLTUwM
>they put shin godzilla in DaS3

>>15370207
Probably my favorite Godzilla film ever.
As far as plot goes, it's pretty basic. But the execution is fucking great, they managed to make most of the political discussions thrilling as hell, through great direction, dynamic editing and fucking great camerawork. The commentaries made about current bureaucratic Japan, its place in the international background and the handling of the earthqueaky/fukushima were really intersting and added a sense of realism and respect that 2014's wishes it had.

A lot of people criticized the lack of character development, but as I saw it, the only real character was the Japanese Government and the many parts that form it.

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>>15370521
Thanks for the only honest opinion here.

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>>15370666
>favorite godzilla movie
>2nd favorite
The delusion is real.

>>15370207
It was okay. Didn't find it as great as some people, nor as horrible as others. I don't have a ranking of Godzilla films, but it's a better crafted movie than most (not a huge accomplishment) and I liked that it had a relevant message. The series really needed that to finally reach out of decades of stagnation.

I spoiled myself from since the movie first came out, cause I didn't want to avoid discussions for who knows how long. So I knew what would happen in it plot-wise and I recognized some of the cultural references and Fukushima symbolism. I have no idea how I'd have reacted had I seen it in theaters, but that wasn't an option for a Yuropoor fucker like me.

Boardroom scenes were always among of the most insufferable parts of kaiju movies, and the first scene of the movie did worry me, since I found it boring. But later on, I actually found the political plot more interesting than the monster bits.

I didn't even mind that the movie dragged after the Who Will Know scene, but I agree with the complaint that the ending felt anticlimactic. Would have liked to see more of Godzilla, or rather see him do more, because as interesting his design, powers and biology were, he somehow still felt pretty dull. I liked most of his effects, how they made him seem like he was a physical prop, the old-school sound effects were an interesting touch, and I would have liked to get a few minutes more of it.

So I guess I liked it overall. But I don't think I'll ever rewatch it.

>>15370207
Fucking stupid. Shin Godzilla? I mean really? Is he a fucking foot or something? Hella dumb.

>>15371944
They're all Eva fanboys who worship everything Anno touches. They haven't seen any other Goji movies so be nice to them.

>>15375604
Except that wrong. Eva fanboys despite this movie because it delayed 4.0 from being made.

Is there a place where the sub and movie are combined?

>>15375654
As an Eva fanboy I am thankful this movie delayed 3.0+1.0

I hope that piece of shit never gets made.

>>15370207
Biollante is a much better movie overall. Shin bored me to death.

>>15375912
>Biollante is a much better movie overall

No, it isn't.

It might be more entertaining to you (which is subjective), but it is most certainly not better overall. Please learn the difference.

>>15375898
The hatred directed at the Rebuilds have long since gotten out of hand. We get it. They aren't as good as the original series. But they are nowhere near as bad as this excessive whining suggests. As standalone features, they're actually quite satisfying watches. It's natural to expect more than that out of Anno, though chill out with all the hostility.

>>15375982
>But they are nowhere near as bad as this excessive whining suggests.

They are.

>though chill out with all the hostility

Hacks gets called out for being hacks, sorry fanboy.

>>15375982
No they are. I'll never stop being angry.

The muddled production, introducing characters while not knowing what to do with them, the lack of planning or direction leading to whatever seems good at the moment, Yui Ayanami.

Fuck those movies. They're not good on any level.

So what do you think (or hope) the next nip movie will be? More mutating horror-zilla? Back to the standard?

The ending gives a pretty good way to set up a sequel, but I'm not sure I'd want to use what was shown specifically. It'd be too radical for my tastes, much like what was shown in the concept art.

>>15375803
There was one on nyaa, but it seems to have been taken down. I'll see if I can find it if someone else doesn't post it first.

>>15370643
Its sad how the movement animation is better than shin godzillas

>>15376023
>The ending gives a pretty good way to set up a sequel

I see that as being no different than Dr. Yamane's warning at the end of Gojira or Godzilla's beating heart at the end of GMK.

>>15375986
>>15376013
I know you've probably invested years into bashing these films, though I implore you to reconsider. They might be disappointments. But they are not bad films.

https://youtu.be/5DHIqUkmj-o

>>15376038
>I see that as being no different than Dr. Yamane's warning at the end of Gojira or Godzilla's beating heart at the end of GMK.
Yeah I suppose that's true, but I can definitely see them branching off into a Humanoid Godzilla movie.

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Which Godzilla movie influencied Resurgence the most? I mean besides the original

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>>15376526
Most of influences come from the early movies.

>>15376526
1985

How did you guys watch it? I'm willing to pay for it but for the least amount of money possible

>>15375982
I wouldn't hate Rebuild so much if all the buildup the first two movies had weren't thrown out the fucking window due to a time skip.

>>15370643
Shin is also in Nier: Automata
https://youtu.be/nTBXxoV7aKM

Anticlimactic as fuck. I get why they went with the ending they did but man that movie just started dragging and never pick up again after Shin goes dormant.

>>15370207
>every English-spoken scene is top cringey
It wasn't that bad.

>>15376593
In a theatre.

There is a blu ray rip out there right now, and an older rip from like december that's missing 15 minutes.

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When I watched it in theaters a few months back the theater was completely empty except for me and my friends, and during the laser show a fire alarm went off and we had to evacuate

Gave me a spook

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Saw it three times in the theater with different groups of friends.
I thought it was fine until Godzilla fell asleep. Then the pacing slowed to a crawl. The anti climax didn't help either.

I still think it's overall fine and will recommend to people, but I'm probably not gonna watch the whole thing again like I do with other Godzilla films.

>>15376593
I saw it in November on a plane.

>>15376960
>the theater was completely empty except for me and my friends

I envy you so much right now. When I saw it the theater was full of dipshits who felt the need to laugh at everything no matter how serious it was.

Except the atomic breath scene that still managed to make them shut the hell up.

I watched it tonight for first time too.
And damn, as a Godzilla fan I loved it, for me its a 9/10. The rythm decrease at the middle/end of the movie ruins a perfect and square 10.

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>>15375654
I don't know why they would, Shin was cool but it was pretty much a Godzilla remake of best girl's arc in Eva.

It was as painful as watching a Mexican soap opera. You know that the director could do better, so you get mind boggled by how shite the movie was

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>>15375604
Oh fuck off, I've seen EVA once and after hearing "DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN-DUN" the whole fucking movie along with the boatloads of EVAxShin merchandise that's been vomited out, I'm sick and tired of the whole goddamn thing.

9/10. I like how Anno doesn't give a fuck about the usual melodrama characters and just goes straight facts and bureaucracy. The second half is somewhat lacking though.

>>15370207
By far the best Godzilla film ever made.

Not saying any others are shit, just that this one makes Godzilla poignant again. Idiots who haven't seen many or don't understand what Godzilla is will chat endless shit about Godzilla's design or how there's no other kaiju or whatever. No. This movie is fucking great and is Anno's magnum opus. It tops Evangelion.

But yes the English speaking lady was cringey as shit.

>>15377513
>But yes the English speaking lady was cringey as shit.
za deeoh eeez codd nemm iz GADZILLER
IGZACTRY!

>>15377528
parsinal sarbice

>>15377513
>>15377528
>But yes the English speaking lady was cringey as shit.

Should have been better. Though it really wasn't that bad.
https://youtu.be/8PrUDtQVnpo

The English in Godzilla films has been worse before.

>>15376566
So Anno only liked the original?

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>>15377818
He drew the most influences from the original. But that particular image is a nod to pic related.

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I really loved it, it helps that one of my best reads this year was a manga that had a similar premise and execution: country is fucked and the bureaucrats needs do organize shit to help the population, as a geographer, this is really interesting to me and the movie also does it with even cooler disaster.

>>15379916
The film adaptation of that was actually directed by Shinji Higuchi.

>>15379916
Oh, I read that not too long ago. It's originally a novel by Sakyo Komatsu, though. And there was a movie starring Hiroshi Fujioka of the Kamen Rider fame. There's an english translation, but it's not worth it. The translator didn't really "translated" it, he rewrote the entire thing to sounds like a Roland Emmerich movie. Well, I think this translation was even older than Emmerich's disasters flicks, but it has the same feel. I guess they thought american audiences would never get into this.

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After 3.33 and Final Wars my expectations were in the pits. I was even more worried about them trying to be the opposite of 2014 Goji and going too far and fucking it up that way too.
Turns out it exceeded my expectations and made it to my top 5 of Gojira films
Anno did a good job of tackling typically Oshii style themes. Of course, they're good friends and probably planned out this movie together.

Honest question, why do people like Heisei when the suit is too stiff to even really fight? Beamspam gets old fast.
The suits looked fantastic for all the monster of course and the plots got marginally better but... It just doesn't do it for me. Give me 60s vs Mothra over Biollante any day

>>15380010
>Anno did a good job of tackling typically Oshii style themes. Of course, they're good friends and probably planned out this movie together.
oshii is IN the movie

>>15380014
I'm aware. He's only my favorite fucking Anime director and I've seen the movie 3 times including in theaters. Are you the guy in college that likes to throw out annoying factoids half the class already knows and makes the professor cringe visibly?

>>15380010
It always fucks with my head to see pics like this. Say what you will about rubber suits but they really can sell that there isn't a man inside and that they aren't actually giant

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>>15380037
My exact reaction to you too buddy.

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>>15377818
Anno has strong feelings to Godzilla vs Megalon. I seriously doubt he liked it but he definitely felt something

>>15377818
I highly doubt that since this movie had a fuckload of references to the other movies as well it's just the original that gets the most. Like half the soundtrack was lifted from previous Godzilla movies.

>>15380318
Most of the references are towards the Showa Era. Heisei got a few though: G84's roar is used in the climatic fight and GvM93's theme in the end credits. Goro Maki is a reference to both Son of Godzilla and Return of Godzilla.

Tonally, Shin Godzilla feels like its ripped straight out of Honda's early 60s movies.

>>15371944
>any positive opinions aren't honest

> Hideaki Anno and Shinji Higuchi's Shin Godzilla film's Special Edition Blu-ray Disc release and the standard edition Blu-ray Disc ranked #1 and #2 respectively on Oricon's overall Blu-ray Disc chart for the March 20-26 week. The Special Edition sold 81,919 copies, while the standard edition sold 55,402 copies.

> The film is the first Japanese film to place in the top two ranks since Oricon's Blu-ray Disc rankings began. The last film to perform the feat before Shin Godzilla was the Interstellar Blu-ray Disc Steelbook and the Interstellar Blu-ray Disc and DVD Set in April 2015.

> Shin Godzilla's Blu-ray Disc Special Edition 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc Package also ranked #4 on the overall Blu-ray Disc chart. The film is the second Japanese film to place three releases on the Blu-ray Disc chart top five, with the last film to perform the feat being Odoru Dai Sōsasen THE MOVIE3 Yatsura o Kaihō seyo! in February 2011.

Let us also remember it's the highest grossing film of Annos' career, the second most successful Japanese film of 2016, most attended Japanese Godzilla film since the 60s, and won seven Japanese Academy Awards.

>>15380636
> According to Otaku Magazine, Japan's nearly 100 year old film publication, Kinema Junpo, is sometimes considered more prestigious than Japan's version of the Oscars. Knowing that, it's an honor that writer/director Hideaki Anno was awarded Kinema Junpo's best screenwriter prize for his work on Shin Godzilla.

> Shin Godzilla was honored highly and ranked #2 in Kinema Junpo's Top 10 films of 2016. It was beat out by In This Corner of the World. The full Top 10 list is below:

1. In This Corner of the World
2. Shin Godzilla
3. Harmonium
4. Destruction Babies
5. The Long Excuse
6. A Bride for Rip Van Winkle
7. Her Love Boils Bathwater
8. Creepy
9. Over the Fence
10. Rage

>>15380010
>typically Oshii style themes
Like everyone being able to quote philosophy?
Or everyone being magically being well read?

>>15380010
>typically Oshii style themes
This film is nothing like Oshii's style, retard.

>>15375912
biollante is lightning in a bottle
100% satisfying

>>15377054
When I went to a theater in my city, it was full and sold out, so we rushed to another one.

>>15380014
>oshii is IN the movie

What part was he cast in ? The old cranky professor ?

>>15381206
I love Biolante, but I like Destroyah even more. And my favs are actually GMK and Final Wars, plus the original.

Looking forward to watching this one tonight.

>>15370207
Godzilla's mouth and tail were creepy looking, in a good way.

>>15381854
Destroyah is the fucking best.

>>15384159
Cool monster. Not so cool movie. Remove the last twenty minutes and it loses most of its strength.

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It really shows how much the music really contributed to the impact of the scene

Does anyone have any retarded theories about this movie?

I have one, but I am honestly too embarrassed to talk about it because it's so autistic.

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>>15370207
I like the Atomic Breath scene but the movie becomes pretty boring after that. The final battle makes sense but it's just not exciting to see.

>>15384286
Shoot

Absolute trash, worst Godzilla movie since Godzilla 2000... but then again, Im not a huge fan of the "Godzilla is an evil monster" meme (like '54 and GMK).

Are the torrents on nyaa the ones missing footage?

>>15384329

It could just be a series of mistranslastions from the Anon subs, but I got the distinct impression that Goro either made Godzilla, or committed suicide in order to create Godzilla, or something to this effect.

He was working with the DoE on Nuclear Waste, and blamed Japan for his wife's death from radiation sickness. Then suddenly he returns to Japan under everyone's radar, gets a boat, takes his shoes off, leaves some information behind, and disappears -- and out of nowhere at pretty much the exact same location, Godzilla appears.

Afterwards Godzilla is seemingly drawn endlessly to Japan, to just continuously destroy whatever he can for as long as he can. Specifically Tokyo. He isn't trying to eat people for biomass. He doesn't need to. He isn't trying to escape some sort of greater predator. He hasn't been forced out of his natural habitat.

Then at the end of the movie we get the tail shot with all of the Humanoid Godzilla's trying to emerge from him.

My personal theory is that Godzilla was Goro in some capacity. That he was trying to take his revenge on Japan for what they did to his wife, and he used his knowledge of genetics and nuclear power to do it.

>>15384371
>He was working with the DoE on Nuclear Waste, and blamed Japan for his wife's death from radiation sickness. Then suddenly he returns to Japan under everyone's radar, gets a boat, takes his shoes off, leaves some information behind, and disappears -- and out of nowhere at pretty much the exact same location, Godzilla appears.
No, the DoE FOUND Godzilla while he was working for them.

It's suggested that he may have done something to wake Godzilla up and sic him on Japan, but he definitely did not make him or turn into him. Godzilla was already there, feeding on the nuclear waste.

This pastebin is still relevant.

https://pastebin.com/pW30aaHq

>>15384374

According to the Anon TL, one of the guys reviewing the illegally dumped nuclear waste mentions that Godzilla's stupid teeth wouldn't have been good enough to chew through the drums when he was presumably extremely little.

Shin Godzilla, the third Japanese reboot of the Godzilla franchise and the 31st Godzilla film in total (including both American ones) is a perfect mess of an exploitation film. It is, of course, a movie about a monster that shoots lasers out of its scales. But it is also a jingoistic pontification on current Japanese political culture, and a really, really, really dopey satire.

This is the first film in the series to go for the jugular in trying to elicit rah-rah support for the military and sympathy for the government, like the blatant flag-waving found in Roland Emmerich’s 1996 sci-fi epic “Independence Day.” Godzilla was originally imagined as a metaphor for the horrors of war and the devastation war brings to people, whether deserved or not, and how this new approach will play domestically and internationally is anyone’s guess.

Norman England is a life-long Godzilla fan and former reporter for Fangoria magazine who has spent months on “Godzilla” film sets and saw “Shin Godzilla” last month at a special industry screening. He notes a dramatic departure in the new film from the series’ traditional pacifistic stance.

>>15384383
his is a film fed up with the last 71 years of Japan’s relationship with America. Post-World War II Japan was aggressively demilitarized. Japan can have no standing army. Instead, since 1954, it’s had the Japanese Self Defense force—a kind of National Guard—for internal protection and dealing with natural disaster. For all external threats it relies on a treaty penned, post war, with the US.

North Korea’s increased shows of force in the Sea of Japan and Japan’s own struggles since the massive 2011 earthquake have rapidly changed the public’s opinion on anti-militarization. It’s reflected in Shin Godzilla, where there’s a very specific kind of pride in the military capabilities of the SDF. Is unusually hawkish—a major taboo since 1945.

>>15384380
I don't recall that, when does that happen?

And anyway Godzilla DID exist in some form before, the DoE even gave him the name.

>>15384390

When they get the pictures from the US Ambassador. It should be around the part where they are looking at that one photo taken underwater with the drums filled with presumably nuclear waste.

>the DoE even gave him the name.

See, about that, I took this to mean that Goro was looking into creating a bio-weapon. He had all of the genetic information and so on about Godzilla on hand, named him Gojira, and then it got turned into Godzilla by the Americans. I am personally having a hard time believing that Godzilla was just some natural phenomena that all of a sudden decided to rear its ugly head. Especially since they had so much information. I can swallow the idea of Goro researching into how to make a creature that runs off of nuclear fission, and thereby Godzilla being a man-made organism. Which more or less mirrors the theme of the original movie with Godzilla = Nuclear Weapons.

>>15380647
>It was beat out by In This Corner of the World.
Based MAPPA
Though it's to be expected that an animated film about Hiroshima would do well. It's supposedly really well done too so I'm looking forward to a bluray rip, if it ever gets subbed.
And considering it's not a big meme /a/ or facebook type movie I doubt it will get subs this decade. Maybe in the 2020s.

>>15384399
>and then it got turned into Godzilla by the Americans
Kayoko said Goro did it too

>>15384411

Either way, Goro had more info on him than the Americans or the Japs. This is why I believe that Godzilla was man made and not merely a product of natural selection.

>>15384285
I have to disagree. Music was too low key to have any kind of impact. A generic, loud, dramatic piece would have been better.

Or at least keep the same tone of the piece, but more "noticeable". Kind of like the songs with the opera singer in Giant Robo.

I downloaded the compressed version from /tv/ a few days ago, and tried to play it through my television with some slight issues. I'm not very tech savvy, but I can't figure out why the font used for the text introducing characters, locations, etc. won't display properly.

They show up as the same font as dialogue and interfere by taking the spot until the title disappears. Makes me miss whatever they're saying.

>>15380033
it kills me that suit work and puppetry might be a thing of the past as far as Godzilla is concerned
dont get me wrong im excited for more Monsterverse and the Anime but i love the suits

>>15384545
Speaking of...

Here's a spooky-ass puppet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y63UytZn33I

>>15384415
in the sense that the organisms growth was spurned on by dumped waste
Goro hated the fact that his wife was killed by said waste and that he was censored and laughed out for his presentation of evidence of this creature.
its quietly implied that his suicide by drowning was him "feeding" himself to the monster, and its subsequent destruction of Japan would be his sweetest revenge.
weather or not Godzilla could be called his "ghost" in a literal or philosophical sense is left up to the veiwer

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>>15384383
has anyone misinterpreted this film as hard as this guy

>>15384556
that super fucking cool and reminds me of what ive read went onto Ghidorah whenever he was in a movie

>>15370207
Shin is just '54 Godzilla but updated both visually and thematically for the modern Japanese audience.
It's right there in the name, Shin meaning both new and true. It goes back to the core what Godzilla is about.

It forgoes much of the schlocky elements Monster movie fans come to like about Godzilla.

>>15384219
Baby Godzilla was a blight up until that movie and it's a miracle he didn't ruin those last twenty minutes.

Destroyah is a great movie because of how incredible the threat is to humanity. The whole movie is nothing but dread. If Destroyah doesn't end humanity Godzillas melt down will.

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>>15384617
Bingo. Remove the child soldiers/mechs from Evangelion and the love triangle/super-weapon from Gojira = Shin Godzilla.

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>>15384663
Anon. The end of the world scenario is treated rather lightly, connections to Gojira are half-baked, and the characters are pretty unremarkable. It's a forgettable film that is somewhat redeemed by its emotional third act.

Although I will say that Junior is neat and a believable evolution from Baby (who was an immeasurable improvement over Minilla and endearing in his own right). Just ignore whatever nightmare inducing creature that was featured in SpaceGodzilla.

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>>15384669
Why is Shin so adorkable?

>>15384732
I liked junior.

>>15384570
Plenty.

When the film was released in Japan last year a bunch of autistic American "fans" who don't understand Japanese went to watch it and we got a torrent of nonsense reviews complaining about how it's a racist nationalistic militaristic anti-American trash pile with no monster fights.

>>15384834
see THAT has baffled meto no end
America is almost a backround protagonist in this film. Theres the Bi-racial lead female who is a boon to the effort of stopping Godzilla, America lending bombers to attack Godzilla, and the US and France's votes to give the Japanese more time to stop Godzilla istead of nuking Japan.
Anytime a US official has lines it usually commenting if favor of Japan.
if anything this movie is very much for Japanese collaborating with other countries and is critical of the very insular Japanese government

>>15385130
They were saying that America is depicted as evil bullies who do more damage to Tokyo with the B2s than Godzilla did.

I also saw a few that pointed out how America refused to help in the final showdown even though the exact fucking opposite happened.

>>15385130
The prime minister is extremely indecisive about order the helicopters to open fire. This is because Japan has a peace clause in its constitution and takes weapon usage really seriously. In real life, this is a major political topic in Japan right now as the very right-wing Prime Minister Abe wants to revise the constitution to give Japan the most military autonomy it’s had since WWII.

Eventually the prime minister orders the helicopters to fire but immediately retracts the order when they see that civilians still haven’t completely evacuated the area. Godzilla mk 2 gives a skreeonk that is verbatim the exact same as the one from Gojira 1954. He goes back on all 4s into the ocean. The US military offers to step-in and help, and after some hesitation the Prime Minister agrees. This harkens to another major political hot topic in real-life Japan today: the right-wing government and its supporters feel that Japan is overly dependant on the US military and needs to get more military, political, and economic autonomy in order to be a truly legitimate international player.

The fact that they fail in their direct attack, or emphasise that disaster relief/civilian evacuation is an important duty, is besides the point though. They are depicted in a very positive light because they are shown to be trying their best against the odds.

You have to remember that even the fact that JSDF exists at all is a matter of some controversy.

The main character literally says to the camera before the climax that the JSDF are the hope and future of Japan. That was actually quite an extreme statement.

It's not an accident that the JSDF gave "full cooperation" to the film makers, or now has recruitment posters with Shin Goji on them.

It was a very pro-military movie. It's militaristic to an extent that would be seen as very tame in other countries, but in the Japanese context this film falls solidly on the rightward side of the spectrum.

>>15370207
I hope Anno will never be able to touch any Godzilla movie ever again.

A good half of the film right from the start was wasted to introduce everyone in Japanese Government, their position, political strife, jargon mumble jumbo and shit and then kill off almost everyone in the middle of the movie to replace by a bunch of new character for no fucking reason. The main human characters are absolutely bland, i could not even remember their face or their name.

The titular character only appear like 20 minute of screen time in a 3 hourse long movie. Only has 1 big battle and the final battle is boiled down to throwing everything they got to Godzilla to wear him down because last time we did it, it was ineffective.

It was decent enough but fuck Anno, I hate how Eva bleeds into everything he touches

>>15375898
kek this. I plan to show up tripping my face off so no matter what I'm blown away by all the pretty colors and nice music. Then when people ask if I saw it and did I like it I can say yes I had a good time and not lie.

>Godzilla's tail kids weren't there when he was frozen.

Those tenacious little tykes evolved to counter the coagulant, Godzilla must be so proud.

>>15385232
Are you the same whiney bastard who complained about "too many humans, not enough giant monster fights!!" when Godzilla '14 dropped?

>titular character only appear like 20 minute of screen time
Are you stupid, or do you just have the attention span of an 8-year-old?

>>15375921
>opinion vs fact
>better movie
>fact
>[This argument appears to be a stub. Perhaps you can help expand it to include supporting arguments and sources]
Christ I hope that was bait.

>>15375982
1.0 was okay. Didn't offer anything new, but it looked and sounded good (unless you have a major prejudice against CGI)
2.0 was legitimately good (excellent IMO). They dropped the ball on the development of Mari, and again some of the CG was painfully conspicuous, but the development of the plot to take the Rebuilds in a different direction was smooth. 2.0 struck a a better, more entertaining balance of Angel scenes and character-oriented scenes, sufficiently rife with pandering of various kinds (without using it as a crutch), and developed an aesthetically pleasing look appropriate for the update and distinct from the originals, acceptable to any but the most obstinate and prolapsed of the originals' fanboys. The finale of 2.0 was (imo) a masterstroke. Perhaps it was way too pink/red, but the music choice and the direction was great, and more importantly, it was treated as an opportunity to tell the story differently (and I suspect how Anno had often wished he had told it).
3.0 was where fanboy outrage is most justified. The pacing was downright awful, they changed the chemistry between Shinji and Kaworu (why tho? Shouldn't Shinji be even closer to Kaworu this time in order for him to be blind enough to make his increasingly dumb choices actually make sense?), and the film's balance between action and character and plot development was so completely out of whack that it honestly felt like they had taken 2 episodes of the parallel TV series and stretched it to 90 minutes, leaving it empty, especially when compared to the first two movies, which condensed ~8 episodes each. What's worse is the action scenes didn't offer the viewer much to enjoy, especially the opening scene which painfully resembled a disorienting Michael Bay-esque chaos scene.
3.0 is a train-wreck compared to the first two movies, which is a shame because taking the plot in that direction actually had a lot of potential. I have yet to hear a good counter-argument that really salvages 3.0.

>>15376665
I'm curious to know what you mean by this:
Do you mean that ending 2.0 with third impact was a waste of buildup and a better potential narrative? Or...
Do you mean that the events directly following 2.0 would have been better/more interesting than the time skip 3.0? In that case, what do you imagine takes place in 3.0?

>>15377513
>Anno's magnum opus
>tops Evangelion
wew buoy

Is ANY site streaming the two hour BRrip with subs?

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>>15384823
Junior's a handsome lad.

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>This deleted scene
https://youtu.be/O3BCYDJLvzA

Seems like one version of Shin Godzilla was meant to be (Shin Getter:Armageddon) Invader-like.

I'm not sure why Shin Godzilla has so much hype. It's just another G vs city movie with montages of deciphering a deus ex machina, he stands around most of the movie, the main point of the movie is repetitive scenes to critique the government, overhyped-o-saurus

Still worth a watch, but it could lose 20 minutes (I guess there's an airplane cut like that), and it's not the best Godzilla movie

Anno's opus is still Gunbuster, that last episode is powerful stuff.

>>15388588
Guess I need to rewatch that but I just remember being bored during the last one.

>>15370521
>From a cinematic perspective, Shin shits all over pretty much every Goji movie to date.

Nah, it's not as good as any of the movies from 1964-1967.

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Can a modern giant monster movie frighten? Can films of the genre generate enough dread and suspense that they dip into outright horror? Yes. Can one starring Godzilla do so? Theoretically, perhaps, but that’s a much trickier feat. Godzilla, for all his (or her, depending on the version) destructive tendencies, callous disregard for human life, and frightful features, is a cultural icon and has been for many decades. Even people who have never seen a Godzilla movie before know his name and grasp the basic concept of the character: he’s a giant lizard that smashes cities, other giant monsters, and occasionally robots and aliens. He’s liked in a way unique from other famous bestial mainstays like the Xenomorphs from Alien or King Kong. Neither abominable nor pitiable, Godzilla was a remorseless aggressor the public couldn’t help but adore that Toho films kept in people’s favor by giving him a rich supporting cast of kaiju allies, rivals, and arch enemies as well a slew of sequels and spin-offs as the generations rolled by. A laudable accomplishment in franchise marketing, if one that has gradually diluted the original spirit of the character.

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Godzilla was meant to be kin to the atomic bomb or to be precise, the Japanese people’s attitude and experiences with the atomic bomb; a walking, hostile Hiroshima crisis. Not aimed at the Allied Forces, no, the movie wasn’t a revenge flick. Godzilla was a rematch, a way for the Japanese to find closure against the irradiating blast wave that took the fight out of them during the final days of World War 2, a new Orochi that could be conquered through science, cunning, and sometimes even spirituality. Nowadays, the average moviegoer is more likely to cheer for Godzilla when he smashes cities and demand screentime be taken away from the hapless human protagonists who are trying to stop him so they can see Godzilla level even more structures and enemies.

He is the star, the protagonist, a special effects triumph. He’s a monster, but not a villain, and certainly not an abomination. The haunting imagery of his rampages’ gristly aftermaths that his first two movies were rife with were phased out in favor of bigger foes, flashier fights, and odder quests. What else could be done? People went to movies bearing his name to see him in action, to project themselves onto this simple and proud creature that stomped flat and knocked over the places they lived in. Even the recent offering of Legendary Pictures in 2014, one that implied a return to the grittier and more horrific aspects of the franchise and character, could not escape the shadow of camp as Godzilla was designated the role of an anti-hero who let American battleships sail alongside it and peacefully slunk back into the ocean after defeating the far more sinister and less interesting kaiju that were threatening the planet.

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Directors Hideaki Anno (best known for his projects in Japanese animation that range from tender comedies to gripping dramas) and Shinji Higuchi (who is no stranger to direr incarnations of giant monster movies as his Gamera trilogy will attest) announced last year that they were in the process of creating their own take on a Godzilla reboot based on a screenplay Anno himself had written with Higuchi handling the special effects. They claimed that the tone of the production would evoke the disbelief and unease generated from recent real world disasters: floods, terrorist attacks, monsoons, and chief among them, the March 2011 Tohoku Tsunami and Earthquake that led to the nuclear plant disaster at Fukushima, the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl in 1986. Quite a lofty solicitation, but one they’ve largely fulfilled due in no small part to how they’ve reinterpreted the King of Monsters, transforming him from comfortably familiar to sickeningly bizarre.

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The Godzilla of Resurgence is not an action figure, he is not a misunderstood animal, and he is not here to fight back a more wicked titan that will make him look like the lesser of two evils. This Godzilla is a mountain of immolated reptilian leather, a towering onyx mass of muscle and bone whose size both awes and disgusts. His face does not so much resemble a dinosaur’s as it does parody it with eyes that are far too small and a Glasgow komodo grin that runs way too long, and opens wider and weirder than you’d be comfortable with; it’s not a shock value mug whose menace deteriorates with each showing, but a subtle chunk of grotesqueness that looks more and more wrong with further exposure because of how uncanny it is, and that’s not even as hideous as he gets. Godzilla is an unnerving presence that looks like it lives in ceaseless molten agony and it’s in Japan to take out all that pain and rage on something substantial.

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Japan, for its part, is not represented by a single civilian or soldier or whatever else. The cast is a rather broad ensemble, perfunctory in personality and backstory. Rather, there is a focal point in Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Rando Yaguchi (Hiroki Hasegawa), a paradoxically hopeful and cynical individual whose specific and oddly vague place in the national government brings him and the audience attached to him through the entire spectrum of the Godzilla attack experience. From the offices of the prime minister where the arguments of the various oversight committees and compartmentalized departments swell into a rapid schizophrenic cacophony to the streets locked in an indecisive purgatory of being teeming with and empty of innocents, Yaguchi is the anchor keeping the narrative centered on the human struggle to find an intelligent solution. He acts as a stalwart yet gradually frayed alternative to the other constant, the King of Monsters himself who would fill the screens and minds of the cinema with the hopeless inevitability of ash and rubble. Japan is represented by its citizenry, its waters, its technology, its culture, and its countryside. Godzilla is a malignancy poised to corrupt and subsume that societal entirety.

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To preemptively address a concern that comes to mind whenever a movie of this nature is on the horizon, Godzilla is not in Resurgence for a large portion of it, only appearing in the diseased flesh for about 30 of the film’s 120 minutes. His scenes hold real weight and presence, but don’t take up as large a percentage of the runtime as some might hope. However, those other 80 minutes are without fat or filler. Godzilla shows up almost immediately and everything else is devoted to studying, combatting, and generally reacting to his emergence. What could have been instances of boring bureaucratic hand-wringing is chopped and slammed together to form theatres of claustrophobic indecision where the lives of the people and the allure of pragmatism press hard on both plates of the scale; where one feels shoved, tripped, and trampled upon by the red tape tug-of-war.

The silent ghost town streets are not assurances that no one is in any danger because they are soon juxtaposed by footage of traffic jams and desperate families fleeing for their lives as Godzilla looms in the distance, forever too close no matter how far he is. Godzilla is the typhoon on the horizon that overtakes, the floating ash clouds that abruptly descend like mortars, and the wave that has pounced from the coast to your front door between breaths. He is the Fukushima nuclear disaster and the critique of how incompetently it was handled by those in charge because while the components for the solution were present, the lack of precedent took everyone off guard. As it was in the original feature, Godzilla can only be fled from or vainly plotted against for most of it, because he’s always there. Even when he isn’t. Especially when he isn’t.

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Regrettably, there are a few flaws that hold back the production. To maintain that aforementioned pace, the film is nearly devoid of establishing shots and character introductions; text flashes across the screen to let the audience know exactly where the narrative is at the time and what new character is currently featuring in it, but the quick shifts in location and perspective see such text blink into and out of existence so often that they go from informative to distracting. While the monster is an admirable amalgamation of motion capture, CG, and suitwork, there’s a period in the first act where it goes through a metamorphosis that could have used a bit more polish. Famed Japanese composer, Shiro Sagisu is on music, but a number of tracks used are recycled from his earlier projects which are by no means obscure and aren’t old enough to get a pass for being ‘classical.’ And while the exquisite editing helps stock up the budget for the moments of bonafide Godzilla-related devastation, the climax is rather tame. The script tries to compensate by giving a thematic reason for the reduced collateral damage, but all the firepower being thrown around (manmade and otherwise) implies that the landscape should have been significantly more wrecked by that last skirmish. Still, the goodwill towards the finish and the totality of Resurgence is irrevocably enhanced by one last tilt shot, a smooth and silent display which lies in eerie contrast to the frenetic and loud camerawork of before, a visual passage that throws one last loathsome curveball at the viewer that’ll have them questioning the very concept of the struggle they witnessed and the nature of the monster itself.

It was pretty fucking boring. It was well made, but I could barely watch it because it just wasn't interesting. I don't really have a personal top 5, but if I did, it wouldn't be anywhere near it.

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>>15370643
Should post the better move.

>>15371944
>he's not being a contrarian faggot like me, better apply anonymous peer pressure so I can foster something to shitposting about
>>>/v/ and catch AIDS

Biollante and all the Heisei movies are low tier for Godzilla because Godzilla can barely fucking move so he just spams beams. Biollante is a fanboy meme and this is coming from somebody that likes it. It's alright but fuck, the 60s films shit all over it

>>15380995
>This film is nothing like Oshii's style
Good thing that's not what I said, Work on your reading comprehension, "retard"
I said, the Oshii style themes. THEMES is the focus of the statement, did you sleep through middle school english or what you pedantic cunt?
I couldve alternatively said "the same kind of themes Oshii has addressed" if it would please your fucking autism
Jesus fucking Christ, 4chan. You're fucking tiresome and predictable at times.

>>15385159
>It was a very pro-military movie. It's militaristic to an extent that would be seen as very tame in other countries, but in the Japanese context this film falls solidly on the rightward side of the spectrum.
And that's the entire point of what Anno is saying. Pulling Japan closer in line with the rest of the world. The only reason the JSDF is the way it is is as a post-war punishment by the USA. There's no coincidence that Russia and China don't want to delay the nuke. I can't believe people walked away thinking the message was anything other than the message being "Japan should probably take the initiative in defending itself now that's it's been over 50 fucking years" and that also happens to be something American politicians want, a more potent Ally near China.

>>15392264
See,
America is now too closely bound to China to start too much shit themselves, when it comes to China acting like it can do whatever the fuck it wants with Japanese Waters and the fuel resources contained within, claiming it as their own or innocently pretending they don't realize their pulling out underground nonrenewable resources that would technically be in Japanese ownership.
It's the same as when the government does this to fuck with with landowners back home. Won't sell your home for a gas well? They just build it nearby and take it anyway underground and pretend like it's vague
Rught-Wing is just too simple a term to describe Shin Gojira. It's more about overcoming Japanese fear of using the military at all in any situation

who is larger Shin Godzilla or the American ver of Godzilla 2014?

>>15392745
Shin, but he's not as mobile. Then again, he doesn't really have to be.

>>15370643
Here's your (meme)

>>15392792
i know there's a chart out there somewhere, shin has like 10 meters on legendary but legendary has, like, 1.5x shin's mass. the only real question is, who would win?
I say Legendary

Some of you in this thread can't seriously be trying to argue that the Heisei flicks are better than Shin Godzilla. They have the dullest human characters in the franchise and take themselves too seriously for their own good.

>>15392745
Shin lacks upper body strength.

>>15393877
B-b-but Heisei Godzilla has cool, bolky (not fat) monsters shooting lasers at each other!

>>15392248
the film has nothing to do with oshii's themes retard

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>>15370207
mfw people think their favorite mecha can defeat Godzilla

>>15393877
The beauty of Godzilla is there are so many different takes on it. I know at least one fan who is moved to tears by the end of Destoroyah. Not to say I don't get a bit misty myself.

>>15392208
Just today, irl, somebody mentioned that scene where the assassin has that cool moment with Godzilla, says he should stick to smoking or something. It's a memorable well done movie.

Personally, it's in my top 5, but I only really love a few of the 60 ones. Seem em all. Llike what you like.

>>15394866
>never seen last Patlabor film or just bait
Either way, you should
https://youtu.be/d9DUqjNMZ60

>>15393750
We wouldn't know since 5 seconds into the fight, they will cut away to another scene.

>>15397935
Kek

Reminder that Edwards planned to repeat the teasing gimmick in Godzilla 2

>>15397960
I should've watched 2014 Godzilla before Shin Goji. Doing it the other way round just kills any enjoyment you get out of Legend Goji. I can't believe that the indoor political scenes are far more interesting than all the soldiers-running-across-bridges scenes.

>>15398002
There weren't any real characters. Besides the block of wood that is meant to be the protagonist, all of the other characters are effectively sidelined by the second act. Ford is in no way, shape, or form interesting. And he had no one compelling to bounce off. He was tolerable when Cranston was there.

And the story beats were illogical. Did the US seriously allow the female MUTO to walk from Las Vegas to San Francisco. And they managed to lose track of a lumbering giant walking in a straight line? If they were confident a nuke would work, why not use it against her in the desert? That way, if it doesn't work, you won't needlessly attract two other monsters into a densely populated area.

>>15385266
Oh shit I get it now.

Godzilla has human DNA from all the sperm released by the men of Tokyo, washed down through the sewage system and into the waters of Tokyo Bay.

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>>15398054
>Las Vegas to San Francisco. And they managed to lose track of a lumbering giant walking in a straight line
losing track of giants out there is a rich military tradition

I personally loved it. Best Godzilla movie since 2000 imho

>>15392745
American Godzilla was THICC

I remember the Japanese making fun of him

Speaking of nothing in particular, has anyone on /m/ seen Kong: Skull Island?

What would you have done to add to Shin's unsettling nature?

>>15377054
This was my experience too.
At the risk of sounding like a fedora weeb, the sad truth is so many people just don't know what to do when shown something different, so they laugh as if it's stupid or silly.
I can understand being surprised by the first reveal of the Godzilla with the silly face, so some laughter there I can deal with. But people were laughing at just about anything, and then I realized it was nothing other than
>lol japanese people!!!

I won't go as far as to call them racist, but I do think they're a bunch of fucking retards

>>15400547
Eyes all over like >>15387928

>>15400173
Yes, it's a traditional and decent kaiju flick. Far better than the 2014 Godzilla in that there's lots of kaiju action and it manages to be a lot more spooky without abusing the darkness of the night.

>>15400582
>>15377054
I wonder did you see it in the same theater at the same time

>>15400547
>Instead of Godzilla going nuclear (teehee) after the B2s, make all the armoured skin on one arm and half his chest burn off, revealing a black skeleton with fucked up shapes. Then when he goes into stasis you can gradually see the armour grow back.

>>15400582
>normalfags can't grasp Jap Godzilla movies

So, like, the same as ever. Though it did remarkably well at home, Shin Godzilla really wasn't tailored for mass international consumption. I wonder what came out of that early report that boasted the movie would be released in 100 markets.

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Explain this.

>>15401218
There's this shitty anon, like REALLY shitty. He shits with his ass facing upwards so all the poop ends up on his face, making him really shitty.

So this anon, he made a thread to shitpost about a meme no one cares about. No one took the bait so his shitty thread fell off the board. Now he's trying to shitpost in an established thread instead so maybe he could at least get some (You)'s out of pity.

>>15398081

>>15401310
>shitpost
I'm asking for an honest answer. No need to be so insecure and defensive.

>>15401355
Not as insecure as someone posting the same thing for the third time, like (you)
>>>/tv/81299688

>>15370505
>>15370207
>>15370521
>>15370589
>>15370666
>>15372056
>>15375496
>>15375604
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>>15375898
>Live action evangelion scenes with Godzilla filling for an angle like,plus nonsensical cringy English to sound cool.

It was pretty shit

8/10
The boardroom stuff is fine for the first half, genuinely interesting and kinetic, but begins to drag in the second half when it dissolves into "we're running out of time due to an arbitrary time limit, we need to ask permission to extend the time limit, we are all very tired and working very hard, the time limit has been extended, thank you France, we are all very tired"

And a few people have already said, but the "English" speaking woman is terrible, both because of the nearly incomprehensible delivery, but her plot was uninteresting when everyone's key concern is "what the fuck are we going to do about Godzilla?"

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>>15401382
>Godzilla filling for an angle
Kurt rises up out of the Pacific to go driving after "getting hacked".

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>>15393750
The fight boils down to exactly how strong Shin's breath is. Because that's his only offensive capability.

Legendary Goji is durable. Remember, he tanked the Castle Bravo nuke to the face at point blank. That was 15mt, the largest nuclear weapon the United States ever detonated

So the question is, is Shin's atomic breath more than 15mt? And he can't spam it, because he overheats. If he falls into a coma, then Legendary Godzilla rips him a new asshole

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>>15401367
Because I'm looking for an answer. Hello? But it seems you just keep avoiding the question or even a mention of the point of including this in the film. Really scorches the cranium.

>>15401428
She had a great chemistry with the protagonist.

But the second half needed to be condensed some. The film loses momentum between Godzilla going berserk on Tokyo and the the climax. I suggest revealing Godzilla's potential for evolution almost immediately after he goes dormant.

>>15401885
>And he can't spam it, because he overheats. If he falls into a coma, then Legendary Godzilla rips him a new asshole

Depends on what stage of his evolution Shin is on. Remember, he didn't go dormant the second time, despite a more extensive use of his beam, and after only a few minutes he was ready to use it again. Assuming Shin survives his initial encounter with Legendary, he'd crush him the second time because he would have evolved to deal with that threat.

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>>15375982
1.0 and 2.0 were alright but it always had that "i'm a recap!" feel with shit cut straight out, including some of my favorite scenes/episodes from the show. If it had stopped here I think that the rebuilds wouldn't have gotten such a bad rep.

3.0 however is garbage, the only saving grace is the OST, and that was just stolen from a better show.

>>15402059
What would you have preferred?

I think You Can (Not) Advance is the best of the three. It feels familiar and at the same time goes in its own direction. You Are (Not) Alone isn't bad, it's simply a more extravagant and abridged version of the first several episodes.

You Can (Not) Redo is disappointing. Yeah, visually it's gorgeous and the score is beautiful. Other than that, there's little to like. It completely breaks with almost everything from the previous two films, only raises more questions which it refuses to answer, teasing another impact was a mistake, and the entire conflict could have been avoided had the characters behaved like anything remotely like regular people. All Shinji needed was a simple explanation. Apologists will tell you it's closer to the spirit of the television series and thus the best of the Rebuilds, though NGE wasn't illogical.

>>15401218
They explained it earlier, she is American born and raised in America, she is Senator Patterson's daughter however her mother is a Japanese immigrant. She wanted to see the country he mother was born in.

Since nips don't have an ear for English they didn't have to cast a native speaker so when native speakers like us hear her it's obvious she speaks in broken heavily accented Engrish, it's best to try to suspend your disbelief and pretend she speaks fluently and without an accent even if that is kinda impossible. Her English wasn't suitable for export.

>>15402273
A million dollars says that the "totally not a shitposter, bro!" retard will still make a "What did Anno mean by this?" thread about 10 more times even though you've explained it to him clearly.

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>>15402280
You know, you really don't need to be so pessimistic. Are you that insulted by me asking that question? Because you're getting pretty angry about it.

>>15402273
I know what all that means in relation to the plot and stuff in the movie and I'm fine with it, but what I'm asking is why would Anno hint at a Japanese woman becoming the president of America in the film.

It's just kinda absurd to even think of the possibility. Any thoughts on that? Just curious.

Guys, I really need help. Where can I stream the subbed 2 hour version? All I've got is a phone for the next week, can't DL.

I can't thank you enough.

>>15400547
Every time he roars, it's accompanied by an chorus of screaming voices coming from his mass.

>>15400547
Gave him more erratic and unnatural movements during the finale. And make his roars more haunting in that sequence too. Better convey that he's fighting for his survival.

>>15402362
There you go folks
>lol I'm going to keep posting it over and over and you can't stop me leeel xD
Have fun I guess

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>HEY GUYS! CHECK OUT THIS SWEET NEW CAPE I FOUND

>>15370207
I can't believe I'd say this, but I enjoy watching Cloverfield more than Shin Godzilla.

>>15403939
Okay, JJ

>>15402280
I think you're going to win that million dollars

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>>15402469
You say that like people are actually going to do it for you. Search on the usual places yourself, and you should find it. Sheesh.

Also, watching it on a phone? You sound desperate.

>>15403922
So you've got no argument and keep posting like a child because you don't want to answer or talk about it? Okay.

>>15395741
I have no problem with people liking what they like. There are many reasons one might enjoy a video game, book, or film. But it's also important to discuss the actual merits of the things you like. Why is this piece of media good? And on that level I don't the Heisei films hold much water. But I'm happy to hear why people think otherwise.

>>15404555
>no argument
I don't need to make one because there is no argument. What argument? You've just outed yourself as someone trying to stir shit for ebin lels. Not that I have to work hard to prove you're a shitposter when you post images like that one.
Your question about the line in the movie has been answered. Now you're doing exactly as the other Anon predicted and just repeating "but what did Anno mean by this?" "any thoughts?" "let's keep discussing it" so you can get (You)s. And here I am giving you one like an idiot. But I take solace in the fact that this will be the only one you get.

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>>15404718
Did you even read my posts? Because I was asking for thoughts on WHY Anno would include a mere mention of a Japanese woman becoming president of America in the film.

How am I trying to stir shit up by simply asking for thoughts on it?

>>15377054
Basically my exact experience.
The last shot left the theater dead silent except for one obnoxious woman who shouted "EWWWW" at the screen. I wouldn't have minded so much if it wasn't so obvious that she was playing up her reaction to get a laugh out of the theater. It didn't work.

Kind related I also saw Belladonna in theaters semi recently. Everyone in the theater seemed to be expecting something like Fritz the cat, only for the graphic rape scene at the beginning to make the theater uncomfortable quite. Later I could hear people complain that it wasn't "empowering". I swear this will be the last time I see 70s Japanese exploitation art films in Boston.

>>15384383
>This is the first film in the series to go for the jugular in trying to elicit rah-rah support for the military and sympathy for the government
Did he actually watch the movie?
The whole point was that the government is so incompetent that they missed their chance to kill it early on.

>>15404838
it takes a special sort of special to not notice that the SDF doesn't really help when they're working as a military and only save the day when they're tooling around in goofy rescue shit like some low budget Thunderbirds

>niggas constantly complain about cgi being shit and wanting good practical effects
>godzilla gets a pass with it's even shittier cgi and terrible rubber suit garbage
Ya'll are some delusional fucks if you think this is a good franchise. Shit is SyFy original tier

>>15405358
Gamera, go home, you're drunk.

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>>15405358
This franchise is fine. Sure it has its fair share of duds. But what long running franchise doesn't have some stains in its fabrics? Star Wars? Half of those range from mediocre to bad. Capeflicks? Not a chance.

And the CGI in Shin Godzilla is okay, especially for something made with only 1/12 of the average Hollywood production and a shorter production schedule. Heck, most of the time they looked like practical effects.

>>15402362
She's not Japanese, she's American.

>>15406372
but what did Anno mean by this?? hehe
why did he include a japanese woman who wanted to be president of america hehehe let's discuss it

Pitch your Godzilla story

>The Wrath of Godzilla: Earth has been destroyed by invaders only for Godzilla to appear on their homeworld and begin obliterating it. He must fight the weight of an interplanetary empire desperate to stop him from doing to them what they did to Earth.

>>15406624
"Godzilla world cup"
>Anguirus is being a bitch, let's kick him around like a soccer ball.

>>15406413
- Anno is a nationalist
- Japan is almost entirely inhabitated by Japanese people so they don't have many options for portraying foreigners besides nobodies and the studio probably wanted a recognizable face
- No one really likes America anyway

>>15370207
>the ending is pretty dull
That was the only part of the movie I found to be exciting. Even if the little cranes were silly, it was cool seeing everyone working together to beat Godzilla without having to use a superweapon.
Most of the film spent too much time elaborating on and hammering in simple ideas, and things that could have been exciting and suspenseful felt very casual and routine.

>>15380647
>8. Creepy
>9. Over the Fence
>10. Rage
That's fucked up. Creepy was shit, Rage was pretty good.

Its funny that a movie with such a demented Godzilla ends on a much lighter note than the original film, with humanity looking up towards the future instead of feeling the weight of their own sins.

I pirated it and watched it with what I assume were amateur subs. I hope I can watch it again with real subtitles, because I felt I missed out on subtle things.

>>15404555
The usual places bring up the missing 20-min version.

>>15406981
All the avaible subs are based on the official Funimation subs.
So good luck with that.

>>15406849
but what did anno mean by this? hehehehe
keep replying to me hehe I ask again
lets discuss it more hehe

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Isn't that new anime based like 20 thousand years in the future? You think it will be good?

>>15407735
Jesus, man. The fuck is wrong with you? Stop acting like a spastic child. Just let it go.

If you never liked what he had to say in the beginning, then you should have just ignored it rather than being a dick.

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>>15408055
As derivative as this was, it was still an interesting idea. Too bad it's just fan art.

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>mfw have put hours into trying to find a stream of the full 2-hours Shin Godzilla so I can play it for some friends
>mfw the only streams are either the 1:40 cut or credit card scammers
>mfw I even tried uploading it myself but the subs aren't hard-encoded.

>>15392094
Basically this. It had some fun ideas, but the dialogues and characters were so dry I couldn't care less about them. I wanted to give this movie a chance but the writing was terrible. Godzilla itself was pretty great though.

Did anyone download the extras that anon uploaded to the mega folder?, I deleted the trailer collection and just went to download it again and it was deleted, so if anyone knows where to find it, it would be nice.

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このアニメ?

Is there a sub file that has everything translated? The only things I've found is the dialogue, but if Japanese text comes on screen it's not translated.

>>15410290
Search in Nyaa

>>15401885
>Legendary Goji is durable.
A building almost killed him for god's sake.

Hesei Godzilla would stride through that shit.

>>15410566
It didn't almost kill him. Simply knocked him on the ground.

Legendary Goji's durability is incredibly inconsistent, though. He took a nuke point blank to the face, yet an iddy-biddy flying Muto was able to rip into his scales with its claws.

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Why did no one beleive Mafune about a dinosaur at the bottom of the sea?

>>15410676
Maybe it's been too long but I thought Titanosaurus was blue?

>>15401382
>criticizes the English in the film
>has horrible English himself

ironing

How can you guys unironically like watching grown up Japanese men fighting in rubber costumes?
That's fucking pathetic, like one of the most pathetic fandoms in the world.

>>15412539
Right up there with toku.

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Maybe I'm retarded, but can someone explain to me exactly how some of these tanks were apparently able to shoot at Shin's feet from behind buildings? Indirect arcing fire would require some pretty damn good spotters for each and every tank without line of sight.

>oh i'mu american, ai don undastandu yo conturi honorificsu
the "american" ambassador lady was weird, like you couldn't find someone with a more convincing accent, or hell a jap american like she allegedly was? also if weebs watching anime can get honorifics a full blooded jap ambassador could
SERIOUS nitpicking and I know that's what it's like for foreigneese people to see themselves in burger movies so don't take my rambling too seriously, she just really stuck out among the human cast

I love Godzilla. They should make more of these movies more often, like they used to!

And how about a new Gamera movie!

Currently working on fixing the name subtitles from subanons release so they don't overlap/cut off, then going to mux and release.

If someone else has already done this let me know.

>>15414049
Didn't they wait till he was in the open? Anyway you could always GPS it.

>>15400547
I'd have bone crunching noises constantly when he walks on land, and during his first transformation. Like if someone popped as many as their joints as they could, and the sound guy made it sound huge and with an echo.

>>15406624
A piece of Destroyah and King Ghidorah's body fuse, when an intern breaks into a lab, and create a demonic new threat for Godzilla, Mothra, Rodan, and Gigan to face. Military tries to throw a black hole at it, but all that does is concentrate it's mass into a smaller creature. IDK maybe they try and toss it into another dimension with magic or something.

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>>15414145
You know what? I decided to, and you were right. It's apparently an optical illusion, all of those tanks aren't being blocked by that building (which, by the way, is 16 stories), they just barely clip it.

The other problem is the 7-storey building right in front of their faces, and possibly the Maruko Bridge itself.

>>15414099
muxing now

>>15377054
A lot of the movie is intentionally hilarious

>>15415831
>those flubber trains fucking ascending to explode in goji's face

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>>15400547
Anno supposedly considered giving Shin Goji glowing white eyes during one shot. It looked a bit too anime-esque, but it was nightmarish looking.

I also would have had some shots where people are REALLY close to Godzilla, very close to his face. Shots that look like they're something that should only be in a bad dream.

Imagine if you're running, and at the turn of the block, you see Godzilla's giant-ass face, glaring at you. It's ridiculous, but it's horrifying.

>>15416509
>you see Godzilla's giant-ass face, glaring at you
Nah, that sounds more like something American Godzilla films would do.

>>15416529
Yeah. Anno would show the characters running, then they turn the block and find themselves in front of Godzilla's crusty ass, glaring at them.

>>15370207
Too much Decisive Battle

>>15416550
Ass shoots a laser beam too.

>>15416509
I honestly think that looks really dumb.

>>15416509
Do you know If there is some place to download the extras from?, the mega folder is dead.

>>15416740
I thought it looked sweet, but yeah, most would probably find it silly, hence why they didn't use it.

>>15416931
I wish I knew. Sorry.

>>15376023
Mechanized in an attempt to control Godzilla as a weapon and launch military campaign against the rest of the world which backfires more than usual.

>>15377054
>>15400582
If you're still around, any examples?
Like I'd get giggling at kamata-kun before you realize how disgusting he is as he ejects literal tons of blood from his gills and exposed muscles or the lady pretending to be american, maybe there was some hokey-ness here and there, but the movie was pretty serious overall

>>15393877
>People from the future go back in time to prevent Japan from taking over the world by preventing Godzilla from existing since it trumps the weapons available after demilitarization by teleporting its pre-Godzilla self into the ocean and leaving tiny guys that merge into King Ghidorah, but then the Japanese woman in their group joins up with her ancestral people, then Godzilla kills the future people and their bootleg King Ghidorah, and the woman from the future comes back piloting Mecha King Ghidorah and drops Godzilla into the ocean, and it turned out this might have been a self-creating time loop since everyone remembers what happens and the Godzilla that is Japan's superweapon might be the offspring one anyway.

>>15370207
best godzilla movie I've seen. Ashamed to say I've not seen '54 though. I've seen the entirety between 84 and 04 though.

>>15406624
Godzilla fights a giant woman with no combat skills and eats her alive, but then it turns out that she was not a human to begin with, but a bio-weapon designed to infiltrate enemy nations and infect them with poisons. This then causes a massive issue as Godzilla bits containing a powerful disease immune to even intense radiation expose infect the city. Godzilla then goes into the ocean to heal, and returns with an anti-virus that makes it immune while it returns to win, dragging the synthetic woman underneath the ocean to tear apart while humans try to reverse engineer this anti-virus, working carefully to avoid contamination with the radiation and the virus both. Ends with a massive quarantine until the vaccine against this mysterious bio-weapon is given to the entire population and lingering fear that Godzilla will return stronger than ever from this.

>>15410625
The Mutos evolved anti-Godzilla weapons into their biology. Allegedly their species are parasitic to Godzilla's.

>>15410625
I think it stabbed him in the gills. In fact, when the army landed a on him, those hit him in tye gills too.

I hope the next Mechagodzilla will be Godzilla's ally against a greater threat.

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https://00tn.blogspot.fi/2017/04/shin-godzilla-zoukei-sakushin-shuu.html

This is cool.

Does anyone else think Shin Godzilla is like 12 Angry Men (due to its tight focus and extended sequences of dialogue) with some Godzilla thrown in?

>>15395749
To be honest, The Original, Mothra versus Godzilla, Biollante and Shin are the only legitimately GOOD movies in the franchise.

All the rest are varying degree of BAD, enjoyable in a guilty pleasure kinda way, but bad nonetheless.

>>15418818
maybe my memory is fuzzy, but wasn't destroyah pretty good?

>>15418818
>Final Wars
>not the best movie ever made

>>15418903
Destoroyah is just another mediocre Heisei movie until Godzilla dies and the children cry.

So what's the best release currently for shin godzilla?

I was watching it with a friend, we both know full and well who Hideaki Anno is, going into the movie my expectations were low but definitely loved every appearance of Godzilla in the movie. The remixed decisive battle theme got us both pretty hyped up because we didn't expect that to be in this movie.

You can tell Anno's signature and finger prints was all over this movie, everything from the military porn to the way explosions and fire works. In fact because of these elements, it was less of a Godzilla movie and more of a live action monster movie directed by Anno which happen to feature Godzilla.

This movie sucked balls. Even the new Kong movie was better.

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I think we all know the real question is what will shin and legendary + mutos play like in the next godzilla game?

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>>15419509
Shin Goji starts in Kamata-kun mode, always

>>15419553
like mothra larva? I can dig it

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>>15418818
> Not including Ghidorah, Monster Zero, and GMK. And Hedorah is good in an EoE kind of way.
Shame

>>15370207
They got a fucking meme anime director, i.e. Final Wars 2: Final Harder

Imperialism pro-Abe anti-constitutional Showa genocide propaganda

It's not Godzilla, just a bunch of microbes that turned into a lazor shooting turkey. Wasn't created by Castle Bravo. Completely ignores Honda's original vision by being anti-American "we have to reestablish our grorious military" propaganda. What else would you expect from a nationalist hack like Hideous Anus.

>>15418818
Biollante is a fucking mess. But you must have been wowed by the KEWL effects because you're a twelve year old troglodite with ADD

>>15418903
No. Unless you think a story with no likable characters, and monsters portrayed by literal bandai action figures equals "good." I swear, Godzilla fans are so retarded.

>>15420564
Wow, you sound just like all those retards over that TohoKingdom, having a collective meltdown when Biollante beat out Gojira in a big ass poll for the Best Godzilla movie, a two or three years ago during Shin's early preproduction.

Godzilla vs. Biollante aint no Citizen Kane, but if you're willing to call it a mess, you must also be willing to call 80% of the series Toxic Waste Dumps of movies.

>>15418903
The Godzilla bits were super cool.

The rest of it was not.

>>15420559
>Anti-american
In what way? The Americans help defeat Godzilla. Any scene of Americans shows them being sympathetic to what Japan's going through.

>>15420711
yeah that must be it, it's been so long only nuclear meltdown godzilla really stuck, I can't even remember the humans

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>>15420765
But they're trying to take advantage of them like they always have done, so Japan needs to stand on their own two feet because apparently America isn't their ally.

Typical butt-hurt Jap. That's what Anno is.

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>>15421254
Independence is a bad thing? What's the likelihood of the US acting in Japan's favor in every situation? Got to be able to do for yourself.

>>15421254
What world do you live in? America's always meddling in international affairs for their own selfish reasons. It was nice seeing a film portraying them as they are.

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>>15422029
>>15423610
That's not the point. It's just Anno and his anti-American sentiments from the butt-hurt caused by losing WW2 and the after effects.

Then again, even though America has an agenda, they still intend to help. Japan tries to stand apart in fiction to make themselves feel better because it's something they'll never achieve in real life.

>>15420032
Yeah dude missed out a couple of the other good ones.

>>15418818
>Biollante
>leaving out the rest of the Golden Age Showa movies and Godzilla VS King Ghidorah

>>15419509
>there will never be a STE sequel that isn't Unleashed

life is suffering

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>>15414049

Anon in charge of ballistics.

>>15425464
Take your nostalgia Google's off, Anon. They're shit - fun to watch in MST3K mode, but objectively pretty bad.
And for mentioning the nonsensical, utter train wreck that was Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, you should feel bad and remove yourself from the gene pool.

I'd add GMK and 84 to his list, these are a cut above the rest too.

>>15426701

Nah they're fine. 84 suffers from a horribly slow pace and characters who are barely motivated, not sure how you can include that over classics like Monster Zero or Ghidrah. Why even bring in objectivity when we're talking about opinions.

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>>15426701
>They're shit - fun to watch in MST3K mode, but objectively pretty bad.

Ghidorah and Monster Zero are not objectively bad films. They're exactly the opposite. Hitting the sweet spot between the seriousness franchise started with and the overly lighthearted days ahead. Honda's direction and the talented actors/actress hold these films together. A few spotty effects and moments of levity don't hurt otherwise perfectly fine films.

> 84
> cut above the rest

But Godzilla vs King Ghidorah is a mess and Return of Godzilla is an underwhelming picture fans keep trying to prop up. It's slow, uninspired, and features what would become a staple of the Heisei films, uninteresting human characters.

> GMK
> cut above the rest

Indeed

>>15384242
the way the beam moves and shin little swivel looks so awkward

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>Be a huge fan of Digimon
>Digimon already has tons of literal Godzilla/Kaiju Digimon
>Never really watched Godzilla but watch Shin Godzilla cause /m/ talked about it a lot
>Godzilla fucking evolves forms like a Digimon
>It's second form has Otamamon eyes

I'm probably the only one who loved this movie for these reason.

>>15376023
>It'd be too radical for my tastes, much like what was shown in the concept art.

Is there an archive of all the concept art out there anywhere, or for download? Or do any of the art books have scans?

>>15376067
>>15376038

I doubt they'll go with humanoid Godzillas. I thought the entire point was supposed to be that humans are the real monsters, but done in a way that doesn't sound as retarded as when I type that out. It goes back to when the American's were trying to bomb Godzilla and it sprouted even more lasers, and hten when the American's wanted to nuke Godzilla and Japan again. One of the scientists even commented something like, "Humans are worse than Gojira." And of course how people were responsible for the toxic waste that created Godzilla in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4RuB3gT8t0

>>15427528
I mean, it was supposed to be symbolic but not likely as a sequel. The other Kaiju are definitively going to be born from its tail though.

I wouldn't mind being wrong if they do it right though.

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>>15427512
Real damn shame Bandai is moving away from monsters roots instead pumping out more cosplaymons and Mechmons.

>>15392074
>Godzilla was a rematch, a way for the Japanese to find closure against the irradiating blast wave that took the fight out of them during the final days of World War 2, a new Orochi that could be conquered through science, cunning, and sometimes even spirituality.

This is so true. They actually compare Godzilla to Susanoo poising Orochi in Shin Godzilla.

>>15392248
>Jesus fucking Christ, 4chan. You're fucking tiresome and predictable at times.Anonymous
>04/03/17(Mon)09:04:09 No.15392264 Anonymous 04/03/17(Mon)10:34:09 No.15392264>>15392279>>15385159
>>It was a very pro-military movie. It's militaristic to an extent that would be seen as very tame in other countries, but in the Japanese context this film falls solidly on the rightward side of the spectrum.
>And that's the entire point of what Anno is saying. Pulling Japan closer in line with the rest of the world. The only reason the JSDF is the way it is is as a post-war punishment by the USA. There's no coincidence that Russia and China don't want to delay the nuke. I can't believe people walked away thinking the message was anything other than the message being "Japan should probably take the initiative in defending itself now that's it's been over 50 fucking years" and that also happens to be something American politicians want, a more potent Ally near China.Anonymous
>04/03/17(Mon)09:10:12 No.15392279 Anonymous 04/03/17(Mon)10:40:12 No.15392279>>15392264
>See,
>America is now too closely bound to China to start too much shit themselves, when it comes to China acting like it can do whatever the fuck it wants with Japanese Waters and the fuel resources contained within, claiming it as their own or innocently pretending they don't realize their pulling out underground nonrenewable resources that would technically be in Japanese ownership.
>It's the same as when the government does this to fuck with with landowners back home. Won't sell your home for a gas well? They just build it nearby and take it anyway underground and pretend like it's vague
>Rught-Wing is just too simple a term to describe Shin Gojira. It's more about overcoming Japanese fear of using the military at all in any situation


Dude you're the most autistic raging faggot in this entire thread even if you are right.

>>15427810
>how to utterly fuck up quoting: the post

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>>15427775
There's a mobile game with an awesome Digimon called Vobomon who has an entire Kaiju like line. It came out in 2016 and 2017.

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>>15427775
>>15427857
Even Meicoomon in Tri is going to have a Kaiju final form.

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>>15427775
>>15427857
>guilemon is one of my favorites
>has a canon kaiju mega
>never in any games, always gets dukemon because of royal knight wanking
I'm beyond mad at least hacker memory has dukemon crimson mode instead of just dukemon and purple dukemon

>>15427868
>Kaiju
Do you not see the mouth guard and breastplate? More Humanoid mechs.

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>>15427884
I was expecting something like Rosemon, Angewomon and Ofanimon Falldown Mode so it's a huge relief that it's a giant beast cat. It's way more monster like than most female Digimon.

I love how kaiju like Tri's artstyle can be too.

Appmon has a few kaiju like designs as well, but yeah you're right it's in the minority in general.

That new Greymon and Garurumon were supposed to be for the 20th anniversary, I was so disappointed that they didn't make something that looked like the classic Greymon and Garurumon instead of WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon which are shitty mechs. They have such tiny heads goddamn.

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>>15427884
>kaiju can't have mouthguards and breastplates
nani?

>>15427775
It's kind of hard to just make kaiju without going overdetailed or being compared to pokemon. Mechs with monster and animal motifs is better if they want to be more distinct and so far it's mostly worked. Digimon remains alive and well for the most part thanks to mechamons and waifumons.

>>15427884
It looks biomechanical but I imagine at some point...

>she turns good and turns into a waifumon

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>>15427939
I think this might actually be her good form?

Ofanimon is falldown mode, and Meicoomon has a fluffy scarf that could pass for an angelic scarf, and golden armour as opposed to the black neon armour.


>>15427934
For the last anime they had MetalGreymon look somewhat like Gigan. I find it funny in retrospect because Shin Godzilla has a face tail too.

Sorry to derail the thread slightly btw.

Most of the mecha dinosaurs are mechagodzillas too. And there were kaiju like mecha before with Mugendramon.