Being realistic, the Titans were justified in their agenda and

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>>15328489
The idea behind Titans made sense
Feds were scared about the Zeeks coming back to fuck shit up so they create a peacekeeping task force to maintain the order and peace on the Earth sphere.
But then those guys, mainly the higher ups, turn out to be mass murdering tyrants that want to overthrow the goverment that created them so they can be in charge of things
Londo Bell is pretty much Titans done right

Were it not for the AEUG, the Titans would have been able to stop Axis Zeon from gaining any sort of foothold in the Earth Sphere. CCA would have gone better, Unicorn might not have happened at all.

Of the three factions duking it out in Zeta, the Titans were ultimately the ones who would be best for the Earth Sphere. I guess that just adds to the tragic nature of Zeta.

>>15328517
Londo Bell was way too poorly-supplied compared to the Titans, and this was on purpose. And remember when the Federation forces proper didn't bother helping Londo Bell until right before Axis Shock? The Titans had an enormous fleet, and Londo Bell may have had or might as well have had just one ship.

what does the EFSF do if they constantly have to make groups like Titans, Londo Bell, ECOAS?

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>>15328489
TITANS ZEEKS
SAME SHIT!

>>15328919
Raping zeek women in barracks.

>>15328895
I'm guessing the Federation didn't wanted to repeat a Titans where they had one branch that was overly stacked when compared to the others, other Federation forces are dispached to support LD during CCA, the problem was that they were too far away from each other since they fell for Char's surrendering ruse
And in Unicorn we are never really told of how powerful is LD right now but its probably more reinforced after the events of CCA, it was probably more than enough to do cleaning house in the Federation after the ending of Unicorn

>>15329105
didn't that one guy in Unicorn say Bright(londo bell commander) was the head of the Newtype Corps?

>>15329229
Newtype corps refers to the White Base

>>15328489
Pretty sure committing war crimes, puts you in the "Wrong" category. And unlike Cima, Reccoa didn't unwittingly gassed a colony.
All Titans are monsters in the end.

>>15329334
Then the Titans are still better than the AEUG (Diet Zeon headed by Char "I want to fucking wipe out the Earth" Aznable) and Axis (Cherry Zeon led by Haman "drop a colony just for laughs" Karn).

It's about looking at the Titans in relation to other groups. Would the Titans being in control for the rest of UC even compare to what Axis, Char, the Crossbone Vanguard, the Jupiter Empire, and Zanscare had planned?

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>>15328926
Kiki wasn't a Zeon.

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>>15329759
>Non canon novel
Get that AEUG propaganda outta my face

>>15329699
The AUEG were a force meant to protect the persecuted spacenoids and prevent the tyrannical take over of the titans. The corruption of the titans should not be denied, not to mention their actions and intentions. The titans were just zeon except with the opposite set of views. Don't compare AUEG to the zeon based on shared beliefs, it's the extremity of those actions and beliefs that matters.

>>15328489
The Titans cared for the Earth the earthly body but didn't give 50 fucks about the Earth Federation and saw it as a stagnant piece of crap.

>>15330452
> the heavenly

>>15329876
The central issue with AEUG is not exactly its ideology, more so that it essentially was at the beck and call of Anaheim Electronics, who quite frankly could not give any less of a shit to who's in power as long as they can profiteer.

You are correct to say that the Titans are a corrupt force that did commit mass atrocities with the power that had been lent to it by the Earth Federation , however with events like ZZ, CCA and Unicorn in mind, they definitely were a lesser evil compared to allowing Axis to rise up.

Total death counts from the Titans actions: Roughly 80-95 million within four years of service from 0084-0088 including the New Decides rebellion.

Total deaths from Axis insurrection: 1.5 Billion from the ethnic cleansings in Africa, the Dublin Colony drop, and the Core 3 rebellion. Most of these losses came directly as a result of allowing the radicalized African Zeon forces to flood into the Middle East and Europe, leading into countless senseless murders.

Had the Titans still been functional and Kilimonjoro base remained intact, they could have prevented countless pointless losses, including using the Grpys 2 colony laser to destroy the colony that was used on Ireland.

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>>15330511
>Grpys 2 colony laser to destroy the colony that was used on Ireland

It goes boom in Gihrens Greed Paptimus blows it with the colony laser.

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>>15330568
And the Titans are the only group capable of preventing the Dublin colony drop, IIRC. The Feds, Principality, and AEUG can't do it.

>>15330738
>And the Titans are the only group capable of preventing the Dublin colony drop

Yup that's true

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>>15328489
The Titans were created by Jamitov to be a false flag organization made to make people hate the Earth Federation so he could eventually state a popular coup and move people into space under his direction. Basically Jamitov wanted to do what Treize did in like 3 episodes of Gundam Wing against the Earth Alliance with the Specials/OZ.

After that, Scirrocco co-opted the Titans to basically be the advance guard of the coming Jovian conquest. Either way, they were always corrupt puppets of someone else's conspiracy and never truly intended to be anti-Zeon at all. This much should have been obvious when they start competing with the AEUG to ally themselves with Axis, the very thing they were nominally created to fight against.

>>15328489
I honestly believe that by the time of the Crossbone and Zanscare wars, most federal citizens would say that the Titans did nothing wrong and should never have been disbanded.

>>15329759
YEs. Why do you think she was still alive near and found Shiro with his proggo zeek wife near ther end?

>>15329699
I honestly think that Char dropping asteroids combined with Full Frontal's economic plan would've been the best possible result. Only Zeon should've done that in the One Year War instead of gassing their fellow spacenoids. Staying a Daikunist Republic instead of a Zabi dictatorship would've helped, too. Would've ended the Earth-Space conflict alot sooner. Instead we got the bad end where civilization eventually collapses in the Black History

>>15337854
Setting aside the even more billions killed from glassing Earth on top of gassing most of their fellow Spacenoids, Side 3 would have torn itself apart without the Fed boogeyman to keep their resource-starved people distracted, and any remaining other colonies (like Side 6?) would gladly have helped finish them off.

So basically what you're saying is that it would have been better for humanity to completely kill itself off instead of a collapse that civilization eventually recovered from.

In that case go to bed, Rau.

>>15337977
I said I would've rather they not gas their fellow spacenoids. Sure, at the very most 2 billion Earthnoids would've either died or live with radiation, but Humanity being forced to leave the cradle would've been worth the alternative where billions also die and civillization collapse from the strain of Earth-Space wars that go on erratically for centuries because the Earth can't let go of its grip

>>15338539

The history of UC says it doesn't matter. Even when Spacenoids are left alone or achieve supremacy like in G-Reco they still act elitist and get tired of living in Space and just want back to Earth.

Whether Earth is inhabited or not isn't the problem, the people are. Unless the people change, conflict won't stop. And simply moving everyone in to space won't change people. Not in to newtypes, and not in to a group that doesn't use conflict.

>>15338596
>get tired of living in Space and just want back to Earth.
That's why nuclear winter Earth is truly the best option. No backup Earth to go to, Humanity is forced to expand out as a whole and stop clinging to the Earth. Truly Char is wise.

>>15338731

Except it doesn't force expansion, since people can just wait on the Moon or in Earthsphere colonies. Like the Moonrace already have.

>>15338539
>Sure, at the very most 2 billion Earthnoids
hahahaha no

Spacenoids excel at massacring other Spacenoids. Without a competent Federation to pull them back from the brink - or at least to enable whiny autistic teenagers to do it for them - the colonies would just dissolve into an orgy of mass atrocities.

>>15338731
No, Char was an idiot and will forever be an idiot. As >>15338749 said, there's nothing to stop people from waiting until the Earth recovers then returning to reclaim it. Hell, there's nothing to stop people from going back to Earth even while it's still under nuclear winter and setting up domed or underground cities so they can wait it out and be the first ones to reclaim the Earth once it recovers.

>>15338830
They'd be waiting centuries for it to be livable for humans again, in contrast to Turn A's black history timeline where it was always liveable and humans continuously lived there, just without any tech for awhile

>>15339147

The Moonrace didn't believe it was livable for much of their history if I recall, and retreated to the Moon because they didn't think it possible to live on Earth. They were wrong, but they still acted out a plan to wait till it was habitable and them return.