So I get how Zeon might have been able to defeat the Federation

Mobile suits were that big a deal. The Federation instantly shit their pants.

>>15299993

Zeons conquest of Earth was initally very successful due to a combination of the Federations absolute incompetence against Mobile Suits, along with Zeon leading a lightening war campaign by basically hitting the Federations most critical bases right off the bat.

Odessa: An absolute victory for Zeon due to the Federations arrogance and Zeon slamming a good portion of its best commanders and pilots into a massive shock and awe assault on the territory. Absolutely taken by suprise from losing the base so quickly, the Federation were unable to guard its line effectively in Europe and Eurasia, leading to a very quick occupation of much of those areas.

North America: Unlike the utter humiliation that was the first battle of Odessa, the Federation actually had an extremely well fortified underground fortress called California Base that worked quite well against Zeon. Only due to some clever maneuvers by the Midnight Fenrir unit and Garma himself were Zeon able to take advantage of some of the bases geographical flaws and used them to strike directly into the base while the majority of the Federation were focused on guarding the surface layers of the fortress. Taking the Federation by suprise, they not only managed to capture the base nearly undamaged, but also stole the design to the Federations U-Con submarine design, which eventually fueled the race for amphibious Mobile Suit designs. With California utterly crushed, New York and the entire East coast quick submitted to a cease fire due to Garmas crushing influence.

Africa: Initially a tough fight for both sides with the Local African population leading heavy anti-government raids against both sides outpost and bases, eventually Zeon used one of its own officers named "Desert Rommel" to convince many of the African tribes to unite under Zeon and used that loyalty to scout out and hunt any pro-Federation sentiment across the continent.

>>15300105
So why didn't Zeon attack the Federation directly in their heart in South America as soon as they could?

>>15300123
Because they didn't know where it was

>>15300188
Also, even when they knew where it was, Jaburo was still a heavily fortified underground base. Which is why they wanted to drop a colony on it, blast through to it with the Apsalus, and sneak amphibious suits in.

>>15300105
So basically the feddies were a bunch of pussies

>>15300188
>>15300197
But in the Origin it's stated that the Federation HQ was in the capital of Brazil.

Why not hit it literally the moment they could before it moved to Jaburo?

>>15300211
The Origin also completely changes where Jaburo is and is also not canon.

>>15300188
didn't they initially attempt a colony drop on that location though?

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>>15299993

ARE YOU SHITTING ON GLORIOUS ZEON TECHNOLOGY?

LOOK AT THIS BEAUTIFUL MACHINE

CAN FEDERATION TANKS FULFILL THE AIR-SUPERIORITY ROLE LIKE ZEON TANKS CAN?

>>15300211
Origin is dogshit, disregard everything about it

>>15300353
On the general location.

Colony drops are not a pinpoint attack.

Look at what happened to Australia when the colony veered off course from damage sustained.

>>15301122
Zeon tanks aren't tanks, they are mini-mobile armours who's greatest purpose is to provide zakus with long range cannons to scavenge when their escape-planes try to flee then crash after 2 minutes.

>>15299993
You forgot to mention how shitty the Dopp is, and that the Federation's air superiority is one of the big reasons they were able to keep in the war even without MS.

>>15300353
Alright, let me put it another way. They didn't know the exact location, and even if they knew where it was, they didn't know how to get in. That's why they didn't attack until Char tailed White Base and found the main entrance. The Apsalus and Acg were both made to circumvent this issue.

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>>15301122

How many Magellas does it take to destroy a single Type 61?

>>15299993
>look at how the Federations tank is an actual double-cannon tank

This is proof that the federation doesn't actually know what they're doing. Double barrels is the most retarded thing ever.

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>>15302815

Except, you know, it's not.

And besides, it's still WORLDS better than zeon's "Our turret is a fighter jet"

>>15299993
> the Federations tank is an actual double-cannon tank
If that made sense armies would have them now. They can't even really target independently very well.

Zeon conquered a lot of territory at first because of shock and awe. And because at the start they had a technological advantage.
While mobile suits don't seem like a good idea, they made sense in that universe.

>How did a people with little to no experience in ground operations
How much experience did the Federation have? It was a one world government they probably hadn't actually fought a war for a century.
I guess the Earthnoids were more used to gravity, maybe, but gravity is a weird thing in Gundam, the colonies have it, space ships seem to have it sometimes, who knows.
For the most part it looks like training in the colonies would be enough to understand how to conduct ground operations.

What I want to know is how does Zeon keep resurfacing. How many attempts are there to revive Zeon? Where the fuck do they get that money and how can so many people still be loyal to the idea of a defunct government that's failed at least 4 times to take on the Federation?

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>>15302801
Oh, Is that a captured Zaku?

>>15302848
And this configuration can give fire rate second only to a vulcan. They used smaller ones on fighter jets too.

>>15301179
That wasn't even the complete colony. Parts of it broke off across the entire Earth as it entered the atmosphere

>>15299993

Air Superiority. For all the memeing on how more cost effective tanks are vs. mobile suits, those tanks are sitting ducks whenever the Zakus take to the skies, while likewise then modern AA systems were largely ineffective against them, allowing them to just ignore fighters and destroy their airfields and supply lines.

>>15300123
While Zeon knew that Jaburo was in the amazon rain forest, they did not have an exact location to invade. As a result, Gihren has planned to choke out the Federations most vital points before refocusing efforts on Jaburo.

By the time that much of the Federations main bases had fallen and Federal moral was at an all time low, Gihren decided to continue attacking established bases across Earth instead of wasting resources going directly into South America to find Jaburo. Dozle was the only person to object, recommending just fire bombing all of the amazon until they could find an entrance to the base instead of wasting any more man power and supplies fighting Earthside. With Gihrens plan to force a surrender from the Federation, it gave the Federation time to finish the V-projects development and strike back into Zeons weakened supply lines.

The saddest part of all this though? Zeon still had a way to win the war despite all this, and a minor failure from M'quves part doomed any reasonable chances of victory. Had they pulled Elran into the fold sooner for Jaburos location while Odessa was going on, they could have easily occupied the base while Revils main force was attacking Odessa.

>>15302848
This is a fake image, you piece of shit. There's a reason why multiple barrel turrets were only feasible on SHIPS. Nothing pisses off people who know about armored vehicles more that retarded as fuck double-barrel sci-fi xDDD tanks.

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>>15303025

Christ, you sound like you'd be real fun at parties.

Double-barrel designs are unfeasible for the present (because of pic related) but they're not unfeasible for a future of good autoloaders and micro-adjustable gun layers.

All the problems pointed out in pic-related are going to be solved in the future.

>>15303025

On the contrary, ships have abandoned multiple-gun turrets because they turned ultimately ineffective.

>>15302953

How the fuck does Air Superiority matter when you have Orbital Superiority?

>>15303025
>xDDD
>>>/reddit/

>Thread devolved into /k/autist central in 3......2......1......

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>>15300000
nice

>>15299993
Defending an entire planet is really hard, no matter what you do there will be gaps in your defenses which can be exploited.

>>15303145
Exactly how in a military situation would this be better than a single, larger round aimed more precisely? I mean, this shit is basically used as artillery support. The amount of space needed for two guns would still be significantly more than a single larger gun and since it uses up twice as much ammo per shot, the number of actual targets you can hit before having to completely rearm is vastly diminished.

>>15303998
Feddie tanks have two guns because one typical cannon shell isn't going to do that much damage to something as massive as a zaku, they need to get off as many armor piercing rounds as possible in a short amount of time.

>>15302953
You're talking nonsense mate.

It was the federation that had air superiority because they various planes filling various tactical and strategic roles weren't shit like the Dopp, and was one of the major reason the EFF were able to stay in the war on Earth until they got MS of their own.

>>15303988
>Defending an entire planet is really hard

I imagine attacking an entire planet would be even harder.

Zeon's initial blitz and operation british destroyed the bulk of the Federation military. All the Feds had left to their advantage was nuclear weapons. Which the Zeon's managed to get the feds to negotiate away with the antarctic treaty. after the feds agreed to not use nuclear weapons. Zeon was able to quickly gain huge ground in the earth ground war.

Feds still held a huge economic advantage. they were able to replace all their losses and then some by Odessa. Which, despite retcons, contained no federation mobile suits. after the main zeon forces on earth were defeated. the feds focused on space. leaving huge numbers of zeon military spread out over earth.

>>15302849
>gravity is a weird thing in Gundam, the colonies have it, space ships seem to have it sometimes, who knows.

Are you literally retarded?

>>15304702

Not exactly. A defender has no idea where the enemy will attack so they have to spread their forces across the entire planet.

Meanwhile the attacker can focus all their forces at a single point if they wish.

>>15302855
I'm getting Cyberpunk 3.0 PTSD flashbacks from this.

>>15299993

Scale seems off there

Are Zakus that huge or is the Statue of Liberty smaller than I imagine?

>>15310243
>A defender has no idea where the enemy will attack
If their intelligence arm is garbage, sure.

>>15311872
Perspective. The statue is further back than it seems. The photographer just lined it up to get it all in frame.
But yeah the statue of liberty is like 100m tall which is a lot more than Zakus

I wouldn't be surprised if the island the statue is on isn't big enough for that perspective to really work.