Bubblegum Crisis 30th Anniversary

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>>15249821
FLOOF

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?=OSggDCal5lA&v=9Rww5Tb3srw

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>>15249840

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>>15249821
Was close to getting one of the Animeigo shirts with that image on it on Etsy. Some hipster fujoshit slag got to it before I did. An XL too, of all sizes. Wish those earlier shirts popped up more often. Or hell, even the pillowcase. What I'd give.

>>15249821
They won't come back.

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The shit they wear is so cheap - see how easily it breaks! 10/10 would not put on.

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This is one of my prized possessions.

It's an original script used in the voice recording of Double Vision.

An interesting note is that originally vision was referred to as reika in the script, but they covered her name with stockers that say vision. Except for when they call her reika by name in the dialogue.

>>15251765
Oh hey it's my girl F6!

>>15251784
I have the Red Eyes script (and the Melt Down script, if that matters) :D Has a few lines that ended up being left out of the final cut.

Who is going to buy Priss' figma?

>>15252632
I know I am. Still working on the Atelier set too.

>>15249821
Is there any annouciment? Reboot? New manga? New figma? anything? I realy don't want to Bubblegum Crisis to be this forgotten

Man. I was 17 years old... Little did I know I'd later publish an RPG based on it. Buying all those art books paid off!

>>15253481
W-what?

30 years? Dang. I only heard about BGC a few years ago on /m/ and loved it ever since.

I also unironically enjoy the Adam Warren comic, come at me.

>>15253279
New Blu-ray was released not long ago

>>15253481
Story time?

Posting my favorite songs cuz dat entire series OST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBnyQVVVS8Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kp0uEIMPas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXUq4HG7fo8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIX8_9fEFc

>>15253565
I think anon meant for the anniversary specifically. I would've mentioned the Wonfes figma but I don't know if that was an anniversary thing. Still wish I knew about that Animeigo kickstarter back in 2013. It'll be a long time before something else like that occurs again for BGC. They just finished wrapping up a Riding Bean one, too, not to mention the Otaku no Video one.

I felt like Adam Warren's characterization was interesting, at least.

I actually remember thinking Vision would have been a decent replacement for Priss, but I guess people wanted Priss back and her actress came back to record the audio.

Haven't really cared for the attempted remakes. If you're gonna do BGC, just fucking do an 80s Blade Runner cyberpunk ripoff and stop trying to do extra stuff. That's all you have to do.

>>15253481
Still waiting on that Gundam Senki release, amigo. Favorite bit from that BGC RPG:
Genom Satellite Laser
Price: No, you can't have one.

>>15253565
I liked Adam Warren's BGC stuff. I still remember when Ninja High School did a full on BGC parody.

>>15253610

Yeah, I missed out on that kickstarter, I pinch myself every time for not getting in on that.

>>15253624
>Genom Satellite Laser
>Price: No, you can't have one.
Evry tim.

>>15253625
You won't have your name on the box or in the credits, but you can still pick up a copy. For $110 bucks.
But hey, you get to see the names of all of us that DID pay attenton and give the money to the campaign as it was going along.
https://www.animeigo.com/products/anime/bubblegum-crisis

>>15253683
I think both that anon and I know that. It just isn't the same. Plus all those nifty backer tier stuff. Just let us suffer in solitude, no need to toss acid on the wound.

>>15249821
hot

>>15251784
Wow! That is really cool

>>15249821
>Share any fond memories, or your favorite things from the show!
I got both crisis and crash on VHS in the big white clam shell cases with the cheap photo copies of the song lyrics tucked inside back in 1993. This was when everything Animeigo released was subbed. I honestly loved the music videos at the end, and by random chance found a bubblegum crisis soundtrack on CD about the same time with all that music
dat Mad Machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCDSI2jBkk8

>>15253591
Goddamn right Angel and devil kiss is 10/10

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>>15253279
>New figma?

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I actually bought this three times, twice on DVD, once on Blu-Ray. First it was the pink and shiny DVD set that took me years before I finally got it, so it was frustrating when I finally did and a few years later the blue Remastered version came out. I got that one after a while, because Episode 2 looked like garbage on the old DVD sets. The Remastered (blue) set was in my collection for a years before AnimEigo began crowdfunding the Blu-Rays. I saw screencaps from the Japanese Blu-Ray on /m/ some time before that, so I knew what a huge improvement it was and bought the AnimEigo release of the Blu-Rays.

I'd always HEARD of Bubblegum Crisis, but I hadn't actually seen it until I watched it on the Action Channel's anime lineup, along with the 2040 version, and was impressed enough to want to own it.

It's been one of my favorite anime ever since I first saw it.

I have the entire series on LD.

>>15249821
Nice; 30 years of floofy, power armoured 80s goodness.

>>15253481
WHERE'S MY COPY OF THE NEW MEKTON?!

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>>15254867
I have the BGC laserdisc box that was a late LD release, and it has the best LD video transfer. A very nice set indeed, and I was lucky enough to get it from the suruga-ya Rakuten for next to nothing before they stopped selling direct overseas.

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The future will be the 1980s and it will be glorious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s9xJkLF7jg

Watched Tinsel City for the anniversary and was as great as ever-nothing like watching the AD Police "redshirts" in mini-choppers get torn to shreds by renegade Boomers, to musical glory and Streets of Fire style. The fucking detail-you can watch this stuff over and over and find new shit each time.

Pic: The real Aqua City built on reclaimed land in Odaiba. Would suck for Fuji TV if a huge boomer mutates, Akira style, one day and wrecks their studios....

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>>15257492
>The future will be the 1980s and it will be glorious:
>living on the outskirts of the city in 201X
>to the south is the old World Of The Future that's now just a bunch of spots to drink, instead of the symbol of international cooperation and a better tomorrow that it was meant to be
>driving down the packed highway on a Friday night in a Korean subcompact
>giant video billboards all over the place
>helicopters buzz overhead in pursuit of somebody on the street below the highway
>put a datastick in the car's infodrive and listen to some Priss and the Replicants that I downloaded off the Russian hyperwebs

>>15256890
Unfortunately, it's been more like 10-or-so years of floofy power armored 80s goodness, and then 20+ years of bland crap due to a lack of BBGC releases.

>>15257584
>Russian hyperwebs
Good thing the Soviets decided to tighten their bonds with Japan and to transition towards a free market economy, huh?

Now we don't have to live under the constant threat of communist hackers trying to turn our sexbots into defenders of the proletarian revolution or someshit.

If they ever bring this back, it should be a straight up continuation of the OVAs, not a reboot.

>>15258302
It would have to be a reboot because it would be kickstarted and tumblrtards don't want to watch an old anime from before they were born with "bad animation" in order to jerk off to the 80's retro aesthetics of the new one.

>>15253481
I managed to pic up Before and After years ago but the core book has been on my wishlist for years now. Might have to make the effort to find one and run it later this year.

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With BGC , in the 80's we had the start of the Garage Kits too .
the good old Vinyl model kits .

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30 fuckin' years and I never noticed this little background bit.

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>>15259636
Fuckin' neato. Next time I rewatch I'll have to see what I can catch.

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>>15253481
>Man. I was 17 years old... Little did I know I'd later publish an RPG based on it. Buying all those art books paid off!

>>15253503
>W-what?
>Story time?

Well, I got to know Mike Pondsmith during my college years, went to work for him after college, and wound up co-creating the BGC RPG.

>>15253624
>Still waiting on that Gundam Senki release, amigo.

Yeah, I don't work for RTG anymore. In fact, I'm no longer welcome around the Pondsmith clan anymore, so I can't do anything about the Gundam RPG. I can tell you, though, it's 99.99% certain that it's never coming out. Banrise made the licensing/rights impossible late in the process.

>Favorite bit from that BGC RPG:
>Genom Satellite Laser
>Price: No, you can't have one.

That was indeed a good line. I wish I could take credit for it, but the joke was someone else's.

>>15256900
>WHERE'S MY COPY OF THE NEW MEKTON?!

Beats me. I helped develop it a little, and after it was years late I dared to ask why and got excommunicated.

>>15258899
>I managed to pic up Before and After years ago but the core book has been on my wishlist for years now. Might have to make the effort to find one and run it later this year.

You should! It's a great resource even if you never run the game. Looking back on it, I would have statted out the mecha (especially the Hardsuits) differently, but oh well.

>>15254223
>new Figma?

Well that would be damn cool...

>>15257584
>I live on the edge

I need to know what comic that's from. My educated guess is it's something from Malibu comics circa 1996?

>>15260306
I assume it's from Bubblegum Crisis Grand Mal.

So Darkhorse, 94.

>>15260317

That is absolutely definitely not Adam Warren's artwork.

>>15260317
I was under the impression it was from one of the Punisher comics. But yeah as >>15260320 states, that's definitely not Adam Warren's stuff, as someone who has read Grand Mal and some of his other stuff.

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>>15257584
>>15260317
>>15260320
>>15260350

Found it! Punisher 2099 #17, written by Pat Mills and drawn by Tom Morgan and Keith Williams. June 1994. Marvel comics.

>>15249821
Some links were posted in the other BGC thread:

BClub Specials:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/amifse05c6do8cp/Bclub_part1.7z
http://www.mediafire.com/file/dyw26lh0e79hjyc/Bclub_part2.7z

The RPG Sourcebooks
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mytmeztkmnw/BGCRPG.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/file/fwfxzipwv8gvd1k/Bubblegum_Crisis_-_Before_And_After.pdf.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/file/n9yhiulf4292id1/Fuzion_-_Bubblegum_Crisis_EX.pdf.zip

AD Police Manga
http://www.mediafire.com/file/hkpsdb6cpum7vxs/A.D._Police_Manga.zip

Adam Warren's Fanfic
http://www.mediafire.com/file/bmospuhxh660aui/BGC_Grand_Mal.zip

The Related Stuff......

Sonoda's Garden PArty
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ho4ep1hgdk2p90v/Kenichi_Sonoda_-_Garden_Party.zip

Artmic Design Works
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yu1ns8ne7sus1ub/ArtmicDesignWorks.7z

>>15260526
Many of these are also up on Ex for those who distrust mediafire links.

>>15260541
Good to know!

Here's another cool resource:
http://www.ravensgarage.com
It's still somewhat active after something like 22 years.

My fondest memory with BC was with Tokyo 2040 seeing everyone gratuitously naked in the final episode.

>>15253279
new doujin

I really hope we will get figmas for all the Sabers and hopefully with swapping parts AND the bikes. It would be really a shame not to get those too.

>>15260291
The BGC rpg is possibly the best thing to come out of the Fuzion system. Certainly my favorite Fuzion game, and the longest rpg campaign I managed to run as a GM.

>>15260826
>The BGC rpg is possibly the best thing to come out of the Fuzion system. Certainly my favorite Fuzion game, and the longest rpg campaign I managed to run as a GM.

Aw, good to know. Glad you liked it! It actually ran on a beta of Fuzion, and was a little buggy but not too bad. I'm happy you got so much out of it -- it's definitely one of my most fulfilling work projects.

>>15262278
>Fluffy hair
>No fluffy pubes
Works for me

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>>15262278

Heh. "Sexy" in anime used to be so down to Earth.

Even in the 80s, I wondered WHY anime didn't go gonzo with the female form.

Little did I realize that in a decade or two, anime would go in the exact opposite direction.

>>15262740
Not the best example since Meer is just a large breasted version of Lacus.

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>>15262752
>Not the best example since Meer is just a large breasted version of Lacus.

So? She's egregiously sexualized -- who or what she's a version of has no bearing on that fact. She's a good example of the sexiness standard in modern mainstream mecha anime, as opposed to what women in freakin' HENTAI used to look like.

>>15262848
Im saying how is it a standard if there's a less sexy version of her? Lacus is probably more popular than Meer anyway.

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>>15262851

It is a "standard" because virtually every mecha anime has at least one female character who is pretty much a porno caricature, in terms of how she's drawn.

For another example, with context, pic related.

>>15262912
I don't know what this image is about, but Matilda is sexy as hell. Did I just prove a point?

>>15262920

You've certainly proved you're denser than a goddamn neutron star.

>>15262948
That's fine, Matilda is still hot. I'm just stopping by to say that, not following the conversation.

>>15260291
>I'm no longer welcome around the Pondsmith clan anymore
>after [Mekton ZZ] was years late I dared to ask why and got excommunicated

Dare we ask why?

>>15262990
Pondsmith can't manage shit.

>>15262978

In fairness, I don't disagree. Matilda Ajan is tasty. I wonder if there's any hentai stuff with her...

[checks]

Ah, of course there is. Good.

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>>15262990

Being excommunicated by Mike seems to be a common experience among people who work with him. Over the years, many (most?) of his collaborators have met the same fate. I guess I thought that, having known him and been friends with him and worked with/for him for roughly 25 years (pic related: first RTG book I contributed to), I wasn't likely to join their ranks. Silly me!

Alright, storytime. When Mekton Zero was more than two years late, and "layout problems" had been cited as the main reason, I offered to step in and help solve said layout problems, if I could be paid a little (I was unemployed at the time).

In truth, I secretly doubted that layout problems were the real cause of the delay, but I didn't say that to him. I thought maybe by offering to help solve a probably-nonexistent problem, Mike might actually confide in me what was really going on.

Unfortunately, I didn't know that at that very same time Mike was in the midst of a potential lawsuit over not fulfilling the Mekton Zero kickstarter. This impending lawsuit could have even threatened his relationship with CD Projekt Red, who were/are RTG's revenue source.

My guess is that Mike took my offer as more of a challenge -- another attack, if you will. So he TORE ME APART over email.

He told me everyone else we work(ed) with was mad at me. (I researched this later, not true.) I was accused of taking advantage of RTG. He told me my cred is shot. I was told to stop blaming the world for my problems. (?!?) Mike was "apalled at my actions." I was told I need to learn to shut up. I was told to "do my job" even though I didn't work for him at that time. I was told I should apologize "like a man." I was told I should grow up.

And at the end of all that, he said "I still consider you a friend" but that I would never work with/for RTG again. So... yeah.

>>15260560
Yep. That's where I got >>15250257

>>15263166
Yikes, Pondsmith sounds like either a psycho or a dick. Possibly both.

>>15263700
>Pondsmith sounds like either a psycho or a dick.

I actually think he might have some genuine mental problems. Depression and ADD, sure, but perhaps some kind of paranoid disorder or something too. I genuinely don't know.

In fairness, about a year prior he has tasked me with about 10 art pieces, and I took the job but then was unable to deliver. I felt awful about it and he accepted my apology and at the time didn't seem to be mad. And, hell, a year after that (two, now) the game still hadn't come out.

But when I messaged him with the layout assistance suggestion, he brought all that back like it was he biggest backstab anyone had every perpetrated against him. It was just... it was shocking.

>>15263733
I had a boss like that. Exactly as you describe, right down to the paranoid sense of being betrayed whenever he was questioned. He was eventually fired by the head of the company.
It's a 100% classic case of a sociopath.

>>15263733
Jesus, that sounds rough.

>>15263784
Wouldn't a sociopath, an effective one at least, not display such eccentricities?

>>15263784
>I had a boss like that. Exactly as you describe, right down to the paranoid sense of being betrayed whenever he was questioned.

Yikes. My sympathies.

>He was eventually fired by the head of the company.

I've never known exactly what went down at Microsoft when Mike left... But it does seem likely he was fired for being problematic in some way.

The problem is, when it comes to RTG, mike IS the head of the company. Or rather, "company," such as it is. RTG is really just the Pondsmith family (him, his wife, and his kid -- and his kid's friends, to some extent).

>It's a 100% classic case of a sociopath.

Is it? That's interesting... I thought sociopathy was different. I guess it's kinda a broad diagnosis. Like autism (/m/'s favorite). I appreciate the solidarity though. Very much.

>>15263789
>Jesus, that sounds rough.

Thanks sir. Yeah, it really rocked my world.

>>15263807
Normally no but he's a large black dude so he gets a pass.

It's just sass.

>>15260491

I had no idea Pat Mills wrote Punisher 2099. Dang... I really like Simon Coleby's art, and he did a stint on P99, but man. Pat freakin' Mills? I might have to read these. Ghost Rider 2099 was a superb piece of cyberpunk writing (and had great art for the first several issues too).

>>15263836
>he's a large black dude

With one hell of a voice, too. DEEEEEEEP.

If you had the change of remade the BBC RPG, what you change?

>>15263831
Just so you know, someone tipped off the /m/ tabletop game thread over at >>15205870 that you were here. Probably got excited; it's not every day an industry figure graces this site with their presence.

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>>15263915

Thanx for the heads up. It's fine. (I've actually been reading that thread too.)

>>15263864

The number one change I'd make to the BGC RPG would be to change the stats on the Hardsuits -- I'd change their maneuverability so as to increase the wearers' Reflexes and Dexterity, rather than reduce them. I really don't know what I was thinking. ...Actually I do. I was thinking backwards.

Wow... are Mike Pondsmith and Kevin Siembieda the same person?

>>15264473

No, very much not. I've never met Kevin, but I can tell you Mike's not the type to threaten to sue anyone at the drop of a hat.

Then again, Kevin's managed to keep his company publishing all this time...

>>15264403
Man, a full-Fuzion conversion of Mekton's construction system would've been great. I think somebody made an unofficial plug-in doing just that, but I'm not sure how well it works.

>>15264986

That's really difficult. Interlock and Fuzion are very similar but have some differences which make direct conversion a lot more difficult than one would guess. Folks online have done it though.

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>>15249821
>1987 was 30 years ago

Wow. If I feel old, I can only imagine how guys who were already fully functional adults, even teenagers, at that time must feel like now.

>>15265227

Speaking as someone born in 1970, who watched BGC in high school and fucking loved it, I can say that it's amazing it was so long ago. The most remarkable thing is how old I DON'T feel. Maybe loving /m/ fare helps ease the aging process!

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>>15265233
That's good to know. My brother was born in the mid 70s and he doesn't seem that old. He was really into mecha, comics and sci-fi back in those days, particularly Star Wars and Transformers. He was always annoyed when I got into his stuff and he was right to be because my grubby little hands destroyed a lot of what would eventually become collector's items.

Thanks for the inspiration, a/m/igo.

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I didn't discover the OVA series until only a few years ago myself, long after having seen 2040 and having grown nostalgic for it by that time.

I will say I was blown away by the high budget animation, OST, and design work of the OVA, and just as surprised when I found the production staff was the same behind Gall Force, Mospeada, and Megazone 23.

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Reminder

>>15262278

BGC an ova for a more civilised time, when the Japanese weren't afraid of nudity and nipples.

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>>15265244
>Thanks for the inspiration, a/m/igo.

>>15265276
>the production staff was the same behind Gall Force, Mospeada, and Megazone 23.

Artmic was the shit, man. If you haven't already, also check out Metal Skin Panic Madox-01 and Detonator Orgun. Same crew also did Mospeada, more or less.

Nowadays Artmic's mecha designers have moved on to other things. Shinji Aramaki directs CG /m/ fare like Appleseed and Starship Troopers and Junichi Akutsu is BEE-Craft, doing lots of great work on Gundam stuff.

>>15265391
AIC cannibalized them due to their internal feud, didn't they?

>>15264986
>>15265009
Made this one using the Mekton Plug-in and it Addendum some time ago. Still need revision and shit.

Some times i wonder if it isn't more easy port the Vehicles rules from HERO system instead Mekton for Fuzion.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P6Pmie8Baj0C-6Ygudzx5P1jsuvWU4wmY0085SjA1CE/edit?usp=sharing

>>15265309
I miss the obligatory shower scenes.

>>15265309
Back when a female character was female, not a male drawn as a female.

>>15262278
>>15262737
Pubis hair would make it perfect. It could have been the third anime to show it.

One thing I liked about BGC was that it wasn't grimdark like most 80's cyberpunk OVA's at the time. Everyone was happy with their lives, the show wasn't depressing, and the main characters had fun.

Priss > Nene > Linna > Sylia
Deal with it

>>15265944
>Priss > Nene > Linna > Sylia Deal with it

Nene >>>>>>> Priss > Linna >>>>>> Sylia

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>>15265391
I've yet to see Orgun but I did enjoy Madox. Its canonical connection to BGC was another pleasant surprise.

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>that one thread that got stickied about an anon who accidentallyd BGC by watching Blade Runner and Streets of Fire back to back, complete with an imbedded mp3 of Mysterious Night

>>15266010
That makes us two on the surprised part.

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>Nowadays Artmic's mecha designers have moved on to other things.

Aramaki has done well as a director, but Sonoda hasn't done anything of significance lately, which is a shame, and Kakinuma seems to have gone completely into obscurity.

>>15265944
>OVA
Sylia > Priss > Linna > Nene

>2040
Priss > Linna > Sylia > Nene

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>>15265961

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>>15262278
Now that's some fine HD. You can practically feel her soft voluptuous warmth.

>>15262740
Women should be naturally thicc, with plenty of DAT ASS.

>>15262737
>>15265810
You can't really tell since that area is conveniently shaded out.

I prefer shaved/waxed myself but certainly don't mind a trimmed hedge.

>>15260619
That final episode where Priss is practically tentacle raped is where I completely just lost it.

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>>15259636
>>15259660
Artmic hid Easter eggs all over the place.

>>15266118
Linna the only one not seen mostly naked?

>>15265810
Third? What's the first, I only know of Gunbuster.

>>15266010
If you skim through the Toku Toku Scans Twitter account, there are scans for their art book.

>>15262278
Is it true that in Japan, you're considered a slut if you shave your pubes, or is that some horseshit someone made up?

>>15265309
>an ova
>weren't afraid of nudity and nipples
Here lies your fallacy. Of course they wouldn't because it was an OVA!

>>15265407
>AIC cannibalized them due to their internal feud, didn't they?

Yeah, that sounds about right.

>>15265667

Cool, thanx! Gonna check this out.

>>15266118

>Women should be naturally thicc, with plenty of DAT ASS.

I disagree, but to each his own. I don't get this CULT OF ASS that's taken over in the past several years so... A "fat ass" used to be a bad thing. I mean, I like a good ass, sure, but a BIG ass? No thanks. The classic Playboy ideal of 36-24-36 is more my speed. Although huger tits are fine too. And smaller ones, if the gal can pull it off/make up for it in the face and figure.

I guess I'm a "total package" type o' guy?

>I prefer shaved/waxed myself but certainly don't mind a trimmed hedge.

Ditto bro.

>>15265810
>Pubis hair would make it perfect. It could have been the third anime to show it.

There's definitely been more than three animes that have shown pubes.

Wait... are we excluding hentai anime?

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>>15266215
Armitage III (just a tiny bit in one shot, the model for the painting.)

But actually, I remembered a third one from 1990s.

>>15266463
>Wait... are we excluding hentai anime?

Of course, else it's no game. Pubic hair is one of the few saving graces of hentai, really. At least of the older ones, I think it's kinda disappearing, probably too much effort to draw?

>>15266511

Yeah... anime was all about bare venus mons-es long before it became popular IRL

>>15266403
>Here lies your fallacy. Of course they wouldn't because it was an OVA!

No fallacy.
Go watch any mainstream anime (aired on broadcast tv in prime time or whatever was the time slot for kids anime) from the 1970s, 1980s and maybe 1990s. You'll see shower scenes galore and no problem with drawing nipples.

That we can't even get nipples in Cross Ange (in dvd/bd) says it all about how sexually regressed the Japanese have gotten.

>>15266536
That was just the non-nipples, no-anything effect. Nipples sometimes got extempt, crotch is always featureless. See Tenchi Muyo.

Not many exceptions (Crusher Joe movie? btw pubic hair would really suit that scene).

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>>15266156
They sure did, though that one was pretty hard to miss. Some were pretty on the nose.

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>>15266463
Before the 2000s, women would starve themselves thin and go apeshit if you even implied they had an ass, but then people realized that the emaciated Auschwitz look was not sexy at the same time naturally voluptuous black and brown women were going mainstream.

>The classic Playboy ideal of 36-24-36

I guess that's a generational thing that ended with Gen X and the onset of internet porn. In those days, all a woman seemed to need was a big rack. I remember seeing Playboy models and being somewhat indifferent to the abundance of "long ass," that is women who were skinny and flat below the waist and therefore seemed to have their asses stretched out.

God bless you and whatever turns you on, but I fancy a women with junk in the trunk.

>>15269556
>a women

I fancy a woman. You get what I'm saying.

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>>15265875
Sonoda had a gift for making even mass extinction seem colorfully cheerful.

>>15269575
>Gall Force
that certainly was a thing that existed huh

Post Linna butt

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>>15269654
Go nuts.

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>>15269556

That was a highly intelligent discussion of a rather base subject. I appreciate it!

>Before the 2000s, women would starve themselves thin and go apeshit if you even implied they had an ass

This is sorta true.

>but then people realized that the emaciated Auschwitz look was not sexy

Well... I mean... emaciated I don't like and have never liked. I think most men have never been crazy about the rail-thin supermodel look, either. That's more something that women were (and still are, to some extent) pressured towards by the fashion and diet and beauty industries/cultures.

But -- there's a difference between looking anorexic, having a nice hourglass figure, and being PHAT, YO.

Me, I'm not really not into fat. I mean, I wouldn't kick Vida Guerra out of bed for eating crackers, but beyond her posterior boundaries I might start to scratch my head.

Just curious, what's your opinion on classic Lynda Carter? Because she's my ideal woman (to clarify, yes, I am a Generation X-er).

>at the same time naturally voluptuous black and brown women were going mainstream.

Yeah, the boom of hip-hop and such has really pushed butts to the forefront. I'm all for women NOT being pressured to be skinny, but to me "fat" (phat?) has never been a positive thing.

But! (Butt?) Like I said, I'm happy that women are under less pressure to be skinny. I think that's good for everyone. But now you get the phenomenon of women like Iggy Azalea and Nicki Minaj -- I mean, massively disproportionate ass implants just don't compute to me.

Oh man. This is pretty far off topic now, isn't it. OK, with respect to >>15269654, see next post.

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>>15269989
>Oh man. This is pretty far off topic now, isn't it. OK, with respect to >>15269654, see next post.

This post!

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>>15269719
Who had the best butt? Nene's was probably flabby from being fat.

>>15269989
>Just curious, what's your opinion on classic Lynda Carter? Because she's my ideal woman (to clarify, yes, I am a Generation X-er).

Lynda Carter never was anorexic. She's a real beauty (ah childhood dreams lol) but I've always prefered Lindsay Wagner (followed by the original Charlie's Angels).

American women used to be beautiful. Nowadays they're either too fat or fucking too thin. How about a nice middle line ? All that junk food and carbonated drinks has deleterious effects on a body.

>>15270048
The world went mad around 2000 and things have just been going crazier.

>>15269556
>God bless you and whatever turns you on, but I fancy a women with junk in the trunk.

You can have a relatively slim woman who has junk in the trunk.

Fat distribution is highly genetic. That's why some guys, but most often white guys, can get visible abs at like 14% body fat while other guys have to get it down to 8% before it begins to show. But the guy with 14% fat still has more fat proportionally, it's just somewhere else. It's true for women as well.

Basically, eugenics was the right idea and now the world is full of uglies baka

If I wanna watch this for the first time what's a good torrent to grab? Always loved the suit designs and music from BGC but never actually watched it.

>>15262278
Perfection

>>15269575
>>15269623
I wonder how he felt when he read the scenario.
>Kakinuma: Have you drawn those designs yet?
>Sonoda: Sure thing! I gave that one bunny ears.
>Kakinuma: Great! Now read this before we get started
>Sonoda: ...Only one question, are you serious when you're saying that they all die?
>Kakinuma: Yes, why?

>>15270234
>TFW I first listened to The Boy With The Gun thanks to this episode.

>>15270234

Griffon II
Type-46X[2EL]
Liquid-Cooled 4 stroke
16-valve ???G A-Cylinder

Dang, wish I coulda added this into the BGC RPG!

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>>15270048
>Lynda Carter never was anorexic. She's a real beauty (ah childhood dreams lol) but I've always prefered Lindsay Wagner (followed by the original Charlie's Angels).

Right on, brotha. BTW, did you see this?

Hey, Jamie's a cyborg... It's /m/-relevant!

>>15262278
She makes a good MILF.

>>15270300
>She makes a good MILF.

At age 20?!?!?!?

>>15262278
>not posting a webm

>>15264487
>Kevin's managed to keep his company publishing all this time...

Well, to an extent. They're hardly publishing books at any sort of pace themselves. The Savage Worlds conversion was an outside job after all.

I *think* they did a Northern Gun book last year?

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Mechas will never be this detailed ever again.

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>>15270670
Every time.

>>15260291
Yo BGC RPG anon, you still game? What systems? If you were tasked with redoing BGC what system would you use of not Fuzion/Interlock?

>>15270975
>if not

>>15270975

Well, I'd probably have used a more playtested Fuzion. Or a revamped Interlock, which Fuzion was supposed to be, but only sorta was. Champs/Hero would also work well for BGC, but overall I'm pretty happy with how things came out. Mostly it's just a few statting and nomenclature issues.

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>>15266118
>peeping on his naked sister
Mackie living the dream.

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>>15271326
Just look at this badass

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I know full well this is sacrilege, but I like the BGC 2040 versions of Priss, Linna, and Nene better than their original versions.

However, I like Sylia, Leon, all the mecha, and the show/story/concept in general better in the original version.

>>15262278
>956x720

There's a 1080 rip out there. It didn't have any subs though. I had to import them over.

>>15270290
>16-valve ???G A-Cylinder
It says "DOHC". Dual overhead cam.

>>15271335
>Red trousers

Mackie was a cavalry officer?

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>>15272132
No, but he has exactly the same fashion sense as Linna for some reason.

>>15271027
How do you feel about the stuff that they ported in from Dream pPark to replace the material from Champions/Hero System (magic, powers, psionics...) in the print version of Fuzion?
I preferred the Hero stuff better myself. The Dream Park material didn't feel like a good fit.

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SHADING

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>>15273479

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>>15273481

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>>15273489
Ignore the background, this was stiched together from a shot where she falls down past the camera.

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>>15273495
And speaking of stitching screencaps...

>>15266545
Although what you're saying is correct to a degree, you see that more due to how the market is handled, and less with whatever social norms or sentiments there are in Japan right now (although, as I mentioned before, this is also a factor that plays into the studios and distributors' decisions). The home video market strategy is why you see so much anime (including fanservice-focused anime) being censored in some way in their broadcast versions, so that the core audience and hard fans who might actually go buy the DVDs/BDs have even more incentive to do so. Although in the case of series like Cross Ange, they just couldn't add nipples because of the obviously-horrid budget they had.

>>15272297
>How do you feel about the stuff that they ported in from Dream pPark to replace the material from Champions/Hero System (magic, powers, psionics...) in the print version of Fuzion?

Wellllll, I'm no Hero expert, but neither am I an ardent fan of Dream Park. I'll say this: Mike P and the Hero Crew had many meetings and many brainstorming sessions and worked hard together to create Fuzion. It came about because the Hero guys were looking at creating a simplified/streamlined version of their system, and what they had initially looked quite similar to Interlock. Mike and they got talking, and Fuzion was born. So it's not like Hero's elements were just tossed out and replaced -- a lot of the groundwork for the Interlock-Hero "fusion" had already been done (albeit unintendedly) by the Hero guys.

>I preferred the Hero stuff better myself. The Dream Park material didn't feel like a good fit.

Well, Hero is very good at what it does. I'd say that Interlock is very good at what it does. (Dream Park's system is really a simplified version of Interlock.) However, Hero and Interlock do different things, and as the Hero guys learned, their fanbase is full of ultra-grognards who aren't big fans of change.

It's quite a challenge to expand your fanbase without disturbing your existing fanbase. Pretty much every company walks this tightrope, I'm sure.

>>15266491
>Armitage III

Yet another OVA that needed MORE!

So this is where oldfags are...

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>>15274588
Hey Talsorianon, did you write either of the passages on the left?

>>15278629
>pic
Interesting.
Personally I see BGC as kind of synthwave in anime form. A shamelessly reverent celebration of 80s pop culture, visuals, sounds and sci-fi movies, with the obvious difference being that it's still a product of that time instead of a recreation made in the future we live in now.

>>15272297
>>15274588
I think the main problem in using Dreampark mixed with Fuzion is Mike P fuck up the conversion, specialty the Damage/Protection aspect of it and its missing part.

And it fact, its missing parts.

Not doing a fucking Errata to fix the problems only makes things worse. Fuzion really need a second edition made for some who understand its problems.

Or maybe someone can port thing from Dreampark to Action! System (the OGL version of Fuzion made be Gold Rush Games, someone remember or just me?), just to make Mike have a fit.

>>15278629

No... I think the passages on the left are from the BGC RPG, but I didn't write them. There were a few people who contributed to the book, so I can't say for certain who wrote it. But I have a fairly good guess.

>>15278712

BGC basically seemed to be a mix of stuff the creators liked. Batman, Blade Runner, Streets of Fire, transforming vehicles, cyberpunk, hot chicks, rock n' roll, motorcycles, mecha, action/violence... Just a hodgehodge of awesomeness.

>>15278786

Gosh, I guess you're pretty mad about Fuzion. I don't know what to tell you. I didn't design it, I only contributed one or two ideas. I tried to get Mike to change the definitions of Reflexes and Dexterity, but failed. Ah, memories...

>>15279402
>BGC basically seemed to be a mix of stuff the creators liked. Batman, Blade Runner, Streets of Fire, transforming vehicles, cyberpunk, hot chicks, rock n' roll, motorcycles, mecha, action/violence... Just a hodgehodge of awesomeness.

Also don't forget Super Sentai, the Road Warrior, and Terminator

>>15274752
Have you seen the sequel?

No, it didn't more of anything.

>>15279402
Mad? No. Just annoyed.

>>15260560
>>15250257
>>15263265

Does anyone know how to load the game mods in eduke32?

>>15279402
>>15279406
Technically, Iron Man too, since Sylia is a fem-Tony Stark.

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>>15279817
The style of the armor is similar to Iron Man, but Sylia's personality and motivation are more like Bruce Wayne's.

>>15279817
wasn't there a twist at some point that Tony was a robot, too?

Which Bubblegums would you enter into a threesome with? I'd go for Sylvie and Nene.

>>15280008
>Threesome.
>Not sleeping with all at once.

>>15280029
In before somebody posts that illustration of them having a beauty sleep in their underwear.

>>15280008
Linna and Nene

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>>15280032
In during.

>>15280058
>This will never be your bed.

>>15275620
Dangaioh son?

>>15280008
Priss and Sylvie.

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Post your favorite song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7N4P-rMCkw

>>15273495
Look how they detailed the office equipment inside the building. I tell ya, these young whippersnappers don't know good art these days.

>>15279817
The age old argument.
Is Sylia a boomer? (Y/n)

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>>15280115
In AD Police, there was a law that said humans were considered to be boomers if they replaced over 70% of their body with cybernetics. Even if Sylia's brain consisted entirely of nanotech, as was depicted in Grand Mal, she wouldn't qualify as a boomer from a legal standpoint.

Is Linna the one with the least amount of screentime and development?

>>15280029
See now this anon is using his brain.

>>15280067
I didn't want to be sad today, anon.

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>>15280295
She was in the OVAs, which was why 2040 making her the viewpoint character was widely considered a good move.

>>15280250
What if you replace 71% of your body with cybernetics, but then you put on some weight and that drops to 60%? What about the reverse?

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>>15280592
The law mainly exists so that if cyborgs go berserk, the ADP is allowed to terminate them with extreme prejudice.

>>15249821
If both the Ghost in the Shell and Power Rangers movies do well, I wonder what that means for a Hollywood BGC adaptation?

>>15280581
That was the BEST thing about 2040. Linna needed something to make her unique, and that really worked for her.

>>15280824
I really hope the idea of it doesn't get resurrected. Thankfully it looks like Gits LA will bomb.

>>15279808
Read the readme.It's just overwriting certain files.

>>15280093

I really like Chase The Dream

>>15280058
This pic is made better when you realise it was the cover used on one of the Crash VHS cassettes.

>>15280775
Yeah that episode of the ADPolice OVA really hit home how dangerous a cyborg could be and why such a law was relevant.

>>15281501
There's also a poster of said image. Would kill to have it.

>>15281536
Sorry Anon i only have the VHS cassettes. No poster.

>>15280058
>tfw AnimEigo was decades ahead of the curve on pillowcases with chinese cartoon lewd
truly King Trebor is wise

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>>15281551
Been waiting a long time in the hopes I'll see it up on Ebay or YaJ. The shirts were awesome too.

>>15281567
I mean, Ebay for Animeigo's merch, anyway.

>>15281551
>>15281567
>>15281577
Funny thing is, the Kickstarter had a pledge for replicas of that very same pillow.

>>15281599
I know, anon. I know. Around the $120 mark. Hence >>15253751

You're not a real BGC fan if you haven't read/masturbated to Raging Pink.

>>15281871
That's like saying you're not a real Eva fan without having read Re-Take.

>>15280295
I would say Nene was. At least Linna had Irene and Reika.

>>15281871
>Raging Pink.
What is that?

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>>15282228
Nene had an entire episode about her though.

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>>15282276
and what a great episode it was!

>>15283208
Is that a fucking diaper?

>>15283215
No, that's an ordinary diaper.

>>15269989
>>15269556
>>15266463

Quality over quantity. Always. Too many people think that just having a lot of something is best, but that is wrong. Some fat bitch with big "tits" is not going to be as attractive or interesting as an athletic woman with large breasts. A well formed, semi-muscular ass is always more interesting than some flabby, cellulite ridden mass.

What would a date with each Knight Sabers be like?

>>15283377
>A well formed, semi-muscular ass

You might as well just have a trap at that point.

>>15283878

You clearly have no idea how muscle works.

Hears a hint: All those amazing asses you see in movies and tv are women who do regular weighted squats and bridges.

>>15284056
This. You want a good pair of buns, you gotta work for it.

>>15283215
>WTF are you doing retards
Basically, every board has its annoying insect.

>>15284125
yeah, the guy who can't tell a regular diaper apart from a fucking diaper, for example.

>>15282276
But Linna had somewhat of a storyline which covered two OVAs.

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>>15284209
The episodes with Irene and Reika seemed like they were mainly about Irene and Reika. Linna doesn't have much of a personality beyond being "the normal one" of the Knight Sabers. She reacts in those episodes like a normal person would under those circumstances -- or as normal of a person who works on a team of vigilantes can be, anyway. We know that she's interested in dance, martial arts and getting rich, but we never see how much these things mean to her.

>>15284140
That wasn't even funny the first time, diaperfag.

>>15283208
>>15283215
>>15283223
>>15284125
>>15284140
>>15284742

Not to be obnoxious, but... I mean, seriously. That really does look like an "adult undergarment." Is that what it's actually supposed to be? And if not, what IS it supposed to be?

>>15283752
>Priss: go to a rock/metal concert
>Sylia: have a high-class dinner in a fancy restaurant
>Linna: head to a drive-in theater and watch an action movie
>Nene: treat yourselves to ice cream in a dairy shop
Pretty much all I could guess.

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>>15286032
It's a diaper, this animation is photoshopped, the original is >>15270006.

And now for fan art.

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>>15286303

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>>15286310

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>>15286314

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>>15286318

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>>15286326

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>>15286329

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>>15286340

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>>15286345

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>>15283752
Were it that I knew, really.

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>>15286364

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>>15282287
I see Garland's back

>>15289876
Rear

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>>15289876
Good job, /m/ate. I looked and only noticed solnoids. Rummy is eating, figures.

I wonder if Sonoda also thinks of BGC as taking place in the post-Gall Force universe. He has a possible Lufy reincarnation in Gunsmith Cats, and this portrayal of Solnoids and Knighto Sabers together makes me think about the ending of Eternal Story.

>>15289914
Hmm, the bastard omitted Spea and Pony.

>>15289914
There's also Miki and Eri, as well as their coach. Semmerling. Possibly Mason right above Catty. The girl kidnapped in the first OVA ep, I think and more.

>>15289914
>post-Gall Force universe
As in a Counterattack of Gigantis situation?

>>15289914
Also there are Yellow Belmont and annoying brat from Mospeada

>>15290520

But they aren't Sonoda designs

>>15290520
>>15291042
Yeah, these pages are from that Artmic Design Works book Toku Toku Scans covered a while back.

>>15280008
Nene and Anri.

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>>15289914
I wish we could have seen Sylia wearing an evening gown, a fur coat and a shoulder holster on the show instead of this "Mrs. Santa Claus" outfit from episode 8.

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>>15249840
Fatass.

>>15294078
Priss has no room to talk.

>>15294078
Nene's butt is not fat, it's floofy
see
>>15283208

>>15294078
>Fatass.

Nene is not obese. It's okay for a woman to have a llittle bit of fat and a nice round ass.
Our (western) ideal of female beauty is completely fucked up by those superthin supermodels.

>>15294171
What do you mean by that?

>>15295753
Priss eats junk food pretty much all the time.

>>15295873
But she's a total babe, dude. All of the Knight Sabers are. I actually thought you were implying something else.

>>15295753

I think he was saying that, in the picture posted here
>>15294078 Nene and Priss have exactly the same figure. So if Priss is calling Nene fat, then Priss must be fat too. Because in that pic their bodies are identical.

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>>15296090
You've got a point there, but half a second after that...

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>>15296115
In general, Nene looks pretty hot for a moe character who's insecure about her appearance. You wouldn't see that in a modern anime.

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>>15296118
...And that's why 2040 Nene is a geek with poor posture.

>>15249821
>Not on March 8.
You had one jobe, Japan.

>>15296118
>You wouldn't see that in a modern anime
I don't think you should be making claim to what is or isn't in modern anime when you clearly don't watch any.

>>15280775
>that human tongue sticking out
Ugghh, that's the creepiest thing.

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I'll just leave this here.

>>15296265

why?

>>15296655
>why?

Because according to some people, that is the definition of a normal and healthy body type.

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>>15296188
What I was specifically thinking of was that you'd expect a character like her to have a flatter chest, especially someone who doesn't constantly joke around like 2040 Nene does. OTOH, both versions of Nene lied about their ages to get into AD Police, so they had to be able to look convincingly like they were over 18 somehow.

This show sounds really gay. I don't know anything about anime though. I was molested as a child in my swimming pool. I didn't know you could be molested in your swimming pool. I always thought being molested meant a creepy guy touching your privates. But this was my uncle who I looked up to as a kid. You guys are the only people who I've told. It left a mental scar on me but I don't want to stir up trouble after so long. Its been over 12 years since it last happened, its over the statute of limitations.

>>15296128
>>15296930

I like 2040 Nene better than original Nene. She had a little more bite to her. She didn't seem fucking pathetic, like original Nene did.

I also liked 2040 Priss and Linna better. Priss had a little more edge, like she should have had, and Linna had an actual personality and an actual purpose in the story.

That said, original Sylia, original Leon, and pretty much everything else about the original OVAs was superior to 2040. The first half of the series had great promise, but then totally pissed it all away in the second half.

>>15296953

Yeah, sorry about that, kiddo. I just love big tits, and you were such a chubby little thing that I couldn't resist such a sweeeeeet paizuri.

Is this actually good or are we just here for the cute girls? I'm riding on nostalgia right now, don't want to ruin it by rewatching the series.

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>>15286390
"Oh God, it hurts to live."

>>15297501
>Is this actually good or are we just here for the cute girls? I'm riding on nostalgia right now, don't want to ruin it by rewatching the series.

No, it's actually good. Not perfect, but solid entertainment.

>>15297501
It's good. Don't expect deep or complex plots, but it's a fun ride.

>>15297501
>Is this actually good or are we just here for the cute girls?
Both.

>>15296265
Just make porn already.

>>15297501
It is great so as long as you can accept that some show are about the audio-visual elements and the action, as opposed to character/plot.

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>>15296961
2040 Nene spent most of her time messing with Leon, who was just a socially awkward meathead. Imagine the epic bantz that could have ensued if 2040 Nene worked with OVA Leon.

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>>15299038
The worldbuilding could gave it the potential to be a serious work of cyberpunk, but it wasn't intended to be. The biggest disappointment with the BGC OVAs is that the Largo story arc is the best part of the plot but it also has the largest amount of plot holes. Like: When did Mason transfer his mind into Largo? Who helped him? Did Largo intend for the sexaroids to steal the DD? If Sylvie could hypnotize people with her eyes, why did she have to use the DD to drain their blood? If the DD is a prototype intended for battlefield use, why is its self-destruct device a neutron bomb capable of killing the entire population of Mega-Tokyo? If the J-1 battle computer activates when it thinks Sylvie is dead, why is killing Sylvie for real the only way to deactivate it? Why does Largo's boomer form look so silly? Why wasn't there any dialogue establishing that the rest of the Knight Sabers went back to their HQ to get the MSX-01 and Typhoon II Motoslaves to rescue Priss?

>>15299688
*could have given

>>15299688
Essentially because BGC is style over substance.

>>15299688
>When did Mason transfer his mind into Largo? Who helped him? Did Largo intend for the sexaroids to steal the DD? If Sylvie could hypnotize people with her eyes, why did she have to use the DD to drain their blood? If the DD is a prototype intended for battlefield use, why is its self-destruct device a neutron bomb capable of killing the entire population of Mega-Tokyo? If the J-1 battle computer activates when it thinks Sylvie is dead, why is killing Sylvie for real the only way to deactivate it? Why does Largo's boomer form look so silly? Why wasn't there any dialogue establishing that the rest of the Knight Sabers went back to their HQ to get the MSX-01 and Typhoon II Motoslaves to rescue Priss?
Are these things that really need to be spoonfed to the audience? Because even with Obari's erratic directing, they're all easy to infer from context.

>>15300570
>Why does Largo's boomer form look so silly?

WTF are you talking about

>>15299688
>filename
Sylia knows all about being a sexaroid

Which Leon do you like more, the badass Leon from the Obari episodes or the dumb Leon of the others?

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>>15300703
He whips off his shirt and he instantly has gray skin and purple hair. He's still wearing his suit pants which look really incongruous. He can manipulate gravity with his hands even though we've never seen any boomer do it before. If he could do all that, why couldn't he make himself fly instead of falling into a pit? He just doesn't look like much of a final boss.

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>>15300774
You always got the indication that being a badass is who he really is under the goofiness. He was probably modeled on Tom Cruise in Top Gun.

>>15300815

Yeah, he's got some Ryo "City Hunter" Saeba in him, for sure.

>>15300784
>He whips off his shirt and he instantly has

That's anime trope that's been around longer than either of us has been alive.

>gray skin and purple hair.

So?

>He's still wearing his suit pants which look really incongruous.

He still has skin. You really want him to be running around in battle WITHOUT pants?

>He can manipulate gravity with his hands even though we've never seen any boomer do it before.

His boomer powers were unusual, that's for sure, but they weren't silly. They were fierce!

>If he could do all that, why couldn't he make himself fly instead of falling into a pit?

It's been a while. Do we know he could manipulate gravity? Or could he just throw his punches and stuff like that?

>He just doesn't look like much of a final boss.

He's understated for a "boss monster," but dignified (and humanoid) enough to still be recognizable as a thinking, emotive character.

I don't find Largo's boomer form silly at all. It is decidedly mysterious and comes outta left field, that's for sure. I'd love to have learned more about it -- perhaps if the series had gotten its full 13 episodes and hadn't had so many stutters in its production we would have gotten those answers, I don't know.

But seriously, Brian J Mason's battlesuit, with its pattern-predicting capabilities was quite an asspull too. And was also kinda dumpy looking.

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>>15300875
>dignified (and humanoid) enough to still be recognizable as a thinking, emotive character.

I don't think Largo needs to emphasize that so much. He's a human being who willingly gave up his humanity, and I wish the series had brought back more of the "body horror" aspects of boomers that mostly only appeared in the first episode. If I were designing Largo, I'd want him to look like a fallen angel -- energy wings extending from his back (which could get damaged, and that's why he falls into the pit), and Ghost in the Shell-style pop-out weapons.

>>15284230
I guess the plan was to show more about her in future episodes before it was cancelled. It's not as if we knew much from Nene before episode 8 either. It wouldn't surprise me if the plan was to make an episode about Linna, one about Sylia and maybe one about Leon and afterwards wrap the whole story.

I'm going to miss this thread. See you next time.