How would the Machines from the Matrix fare against your

>>15165086
Define typical.

>>15165112

Like a GM.

The tech level in the Matrix isn't all that high, those power loader-type mecha that they use in Zion are generally a match for regular Machines and all they have are link-fired machine guns. You even see individual soldiers using basic rocket launchers to take out those drill machines.

>>15165114
A GM would probably be overtaken by a Sentinel swarm given enough time. But given its titanium armor and beam spray gun, it could probably take out a large number before going down.

>>15165130
Even the vulcans would be effective.
It would take a lot of them.

>>15165086

Incredibly well.

All of the weak-ass machines we saw during the movies are not real. They are video game enemies that exist for no reason other than to perpetuate the internal cycle of zion as a safety valve: strong enough to be dangerous, weak enough to fight back against. That's why the machines are so vulnerable to EMP despite it being really easy to defend against: its an intentional design flaw to give the humans a chance.


Zion and the 'real world' as we see it outside of the Matrix is really just a different server still within the Matrix. That's why Neo can still use matrix powers while outside the Matrix, because he isn't really outside of it. It follows different rules and isn't as pliable, so he isn't as strong there, but its not real.


Presuming that what we know about Matrix lore of the war itself is accurate, then the machines build a city that we dropped nukes on and still couldn't destroy. That implies a level of technology and durability where they could make weapons of war that would make a ton of typical mecha obsolete. On top of that, the machines are clearly some very powerful AI if they can run the Matrix and having individual sentient programs filling such small roles as singular agents and actors. Their electronic warfare and battlefield hacking capabilities are going to be well beyond what most mecha could hope to resist.

If you are lucky, all it does is shut down your mecha remotely or activate your self destruct. If you are unlucky, it ejects you and your mecha is now being run by remote by the machines and you just handed them another weapon. Anything that doesn't have an AI of its own is automatically going to fail, and even weaker AIs will still be vulnerable to subversion.

The only mecha that might not be so easily hacked are things so low tech, like a scopedog, that there isn't much to hack anyway. But anything that low tech would die to squids anyway.

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>>15165086
You are gonna want to prioritise Anti-swarms machines or asymmetrical mecha that are designed to fight off a larger number of opponents. You also need to remember that the drills with million+ sentinel swarm was a once in a millennia occurrence, most sentinel groups are only five or six strong. So stuff that is relatively agile but can take down loads of squids and tow-bombs. Off the top of my head:

Ideon or Zearth would be good for huge CIWS point defence that might actually be able of killing a million plus squids. Eva's AT field might be good for defence but it was made to kill one big dude every once in a while not anything nearly as bad as a swarm unit.

For more "gundam" sized units Heavyarms would be great considering it's weapons payload. Although you would need a dozen of them against the larger end swarm. Not to mention the actual nightmare that would be pic related.


>>15165680
Nah it is the real world, Neo is acting as the purest form of the One, He is now the human yang to balance out the real world to the agents Yin in the false simulation world. Remember he still has his implants so as far as we know he might retroactively be sending formation "back" to the machines and basically hacking them with the self destruct code.

>>15165713

Even if you could explain his frying the machines as just simple hacking, that doesn't explain his ability to see the real work as if it were just more code, to replace his blinded eyes.

The architect even flat out tells Neo that Zion is just another part of the system. He, and we, just didn't realize the full extent of what that meant at the time.

>>15165086
Typical mecha as in GM from OYW?

It's all about the numbers. Are we talking about 1 GM vs 1 Sentinel, or 1 GM vs 5 Sentinels?

The Matrix machine relies on quantities. And it's very effective once they overwhelmed their opponent because the only way to stop them is EMP, which is a two-edged sword. So the Machine could rely on an overwhelming tactics to lure its opponent to use EMP to compromise their own defensive line, then release the more advanced Sentinels (the ones that guard 01's perimeter) to sweep out the compromised garrison.

>>15165759
Because the real world is yet another simulation. Neo has transcended the real realm and therefore able to see the inner working of both the human and machine worlds.

>>15165759
>>15165778
no, it's because the wachowski sisters wanted to wedge in a jesus allegory.

let's not get carried away supporting that tripe plot.

>>15165785
>wachowksi sisters
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>>15165771
The Sentinel's biggest asset are their agility. The battle of Zion saw that reduced significantly since the battle took place in a combined area and their only point of entry was a single hole. So overwhelming numbers would be needed to compensate for that.

As for the whole question of a GM vs a Sentinel. The GM's size would be it's biggest asset and liability since its weaponry would be enough to take down a Sentinel, but if it were able to get on or between it the GM's legs, and able to tear apart or cut the knee or ankle joints, it would cripple the GM. Granted I don't know how much force a swat from a GM's arm can generate or how durable the sentinel is to blunt trauma. So there is still a chance even if a leg gets sheered off, and it can't access its beam sabers the GM could have a chance.
It's Dex vs Str really.


Now if you bring in the Machines that fought the great war from the second renaissance. Like the Harvesters, the GM would be in a lot more trouble just because those things pack laser/beam weaponry and rape tentacles. How much force is require to rip off a human's limb?

>>15165796
robots from Mobile Suit Gundam don't have joint problems.

Or really *any* locomotion problems.

>>15165818
And? The joints are always the weak point of a mobile suit on Earth unless it has atmospheric flight or booster capabilities.

Doesn't matter if the joint is not in the open, it's still there and exploitable.

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Anything that can deal with these can deal with squiddies.

>>15165086
We have no idea, because no one in the trilogy actually *left* the Matrix. This was not-so-subtly revealed when Neo used his powers to shut down a Squiddie "outside" the Matrix.
Zion is just an alternate simulation used to pacify people who reject the normal simulation. Simply put, once people believe they have found a way outside the maze, they stop looking for a way out.

The only time we actually see reality outside of the Matrix *might* be in The Second Renaissance Parts 1 and 2 and Matriculated shorts on the Animatrix dvd, assuming you trust the historical archive computer to be telling the truth.

The machines shown during the latter parts of the war display agility and movement similar to the ones in the films, but it's heavily implied that several centuries have passed since that war (the Oracle has been helping Zion for 100 years, and "this will be the sixth time we've destroyed [Zion]") so if the Machines are even still building physical bodies by the time of Neo's story they're likely much more highly advanced than the simulations shown in the movie.

>>15165794
check the news

we live in strange times

and i am ok with this

>>15165794
anybody that would willingly give up being called the Wachowski Starship is a fool

>>15165086
Some of the stronger Gundams could most likely win the Machine War single-handedly. The Devil Gundam could win just by spreading DG Cells around. The Turn A and Turn X (and G-Lucifer most likely) can simply deploy the Moonlight Butterfly and watch all the machines turn to dust. The 00 Qan[t] might be able to destroy the entire Machine race by itself, considering its infinite power supply and ability to cut moons in half. Although it's up to debate if the advanced Machine laser artillery could penetrate the GN Field, which I doubt it could considering the size of the lasers the ELS threw at the Qan[t]. Quantum Burst might even be able to manipulate and disable AI. ELS Qan[t] could assimilate and raise an anti-machine army of its own as well.
But for a typical GM or any other grunt suit, it's gonna be a shitty time.

>>15165759
I thought he could only see stuff tied to the Machines as code, Smith-possessing-Bane and the Machine City leap to mind.

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>>15165086
1 matrix sentinel is pretty weak, almost irrelevant. However, these bastards always attacks in groups.

>>15165794
bullshit

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>>15168995
meet Lily and Lana Wachowski
(seriously, you couldn't just google "wachowski brothers 2016"?)

>>15165680

project much?

>>15169645
yeah

>>15169156
What made them think this was a good idea.

>>15165680
>Zion and the 'real world' as we see it outside of the Matrix is really just a different server still within the Matrix
>Running a VM on a VM
Absolute madmachines.

>>15172871
not exactly

>>15165680
Much as I like the multiple-tier matrix explanation, it's built on sand at best.

it's not confirmed that zion/the outside world is just another layer of the simulation. they hint a little to make it ambiguous but you can easily explain neos powers in the outside world in that he is connected wirelessly to the matrix and all machines. he can only see machines and AI that are inhabiting humans. he cant see trinity for example or the cloud and sun IIRC

i am going off pure memory though so i might be mistaken

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