What exactly makes a show "edgy"? Like when does

When you don't like it.

>>15073415
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"edgy" originally means "irritable"

when violent anti-heroes became frequent in popular fiction, "edgy" started to mean "lives on the edge of society and morality". The implication being that challenging social/moral rules is cool.

Then people started using "edgy" in a sarcastic manner. To make fun of people who try to be provocative in order to appear badass, but fail. "Edgy" started to mean "fails to be provocative, and is therefore ridiculous."

And now, apparently, everyone is afraid of being like that. So being provocative and challenging social norms is no longer cool. Therefore, nowadays, "edgy" means "is ridiculous because it is provocative or tries to be provocative, or might be interpreted as provocative."

>>15073415
Anon, what edgy anime is this edgy gif from?

For me, it's when the violent or mature themes are still there, but they no longer feel authentic. I don't know how to say it, but it's like the creator doesn't fully understand what he's portraying.

Maybe the snow scene in IBO season one?
>look at our protagonist slaughtering the dumb Knights like a boss
>whole crew loves what they are seeing because muh orufanz namida
>heroic music plays
>the only person upset about this brutality is kinda portrayed as ignorant
Any questionable morals goes out of the window when they show it as the best shit ever

>>15073415
Horrid stuff purely for shock value. For good examples see Akame ga Kill! and Mirai Nikki.

>>15073742
So the ENTIRE GENRE OF HORROR is edgy then?

>>15073744
Well I mean... would you really disagree with that?

>>15073751
depends on what definition of "edgy" you're using.

If you're using the sarcastic, or the all-encompassing pejorative definitions of the word (3 and 4 here >>15073459 ) then yeah, I have to disagree with that.

>>15073751
But when you watch a horror film you know exactly what you are getting. How can it be edgy if it's what the genre exists for and what people pay to see? It isn't pretending to be some highbrow art.

>>15073613
genocyber i think

>>15073767
>How can it be edgy if it's what the genre exists for and what people pay to see?

Are you really going to say Hatred or House of 1000 corpses isn't edgy because everyone knew it was edgy going in?

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>>15073415
I think it's more so much when it's presented as being something to aspire to.
I wouldn't call Genocyber edgy because the Genocyber isn't portrayed as something you want to be. It's cool but it's also fucking terrifying and insane.

Maybe you could call M.D Geist edgy, but he has no pretensions of being a good person. And even if it is edgy, it's still increadibly entertaining.

>>15073650
That fucking scene. The dissonance between how the characters were acting and how the audience was supposed to see them was amazing.

>>15073770
>>15073767
please refer to this post >>15073459
to avoid confusions before answering

Cross Ange is edgy. Ask no more.

What is this?

>>15073650
That's a pretty superficial read of the scene. Most of the series is going out of its way to show Tekkadan's recklessness and borderline bloodthirst are seriously fucked up behaviour. Merribit's ignorance is more about thinking that she can just talk them out of it.

I think "edgy" has a LOT to do with dialogue.

Like, if you have an anime where a guy literally runs around town mowing down innocents in a blood-soaked shooting spree, I still wouldn't call that "edgy".

However, if before/during/after said shooting spree, the guy was saying shit like:

>The suffering of these pathetic worms is nothing compared to the suffering i've lived with so long. None of these putrid fucking wastes will ever understand the misery that fills my black soul.

Then I'd say that's "edgy".

>>15073788
please read
>>15073459
and correct your language accordingly

>>15073435
fpbp

>>15073415
There are three kinds of ''edgy'' out there.
1)When it is done for a purpose. If it has some meaning, like showing the cruelty of war or something, and if it shows some restraint, then it is not really edgy (Mecha/war dramas, Berserk etc. are examples of this).
2)When it is done simply for the shock factor. Things like raping, killing and torturing kids, to get the audience to sympathise with the show (something like narutaru, where a young boy is raped to death by some gangsters, while protecting his friends, or elfen lied, where people blow up like blood baloons). The worst thing about this is that it looks ridiculous and forced, but takes itself really seriously.
3)And lastly there is the ironic edge. These are the shows that show you the worst things imaginable, but they also dont take themselves seriously, and you can really enjoy the intentionally over the top gore (Like hellsing ultimate, Black lagoon and Jojo)

>>15073415
An element of humanity makes it not edgy.
Votoms isnt edgy because of Fyanna and Chico's friends
That Dog Life and Dog Style Front Mission manga is edgy

>>15073768
After a quick image search, that does seem to be the case.

Holy fuck that show looks 3edgy5u

>>15073742
>Horrid stuff purely for shock value. For good examples see Akame ga Kill! and Mirai Nikki

Tomino has a word for it : violence porn. It was his main criticism against The Attack on Titan manga and by association the animated version as well. Violence/gore for its own sake.

>>15073650
>>15073775

even Destiny had the sense to make Shinn's rampage seem like a bad thing what with the music and Shinn unknowingly killing the guy who saved him earlier

though I guess that was more to do with the show trying to make Shinn look like a bad guy than anything else. He could be petting a bunny and they'd probably make the music sound sinister

As others have said, its an over-saturation of violence or dark themes to the point of redundancy, obviously this lends itself to some subjectivity. For me, despite liking it, I thought the Hellsing manga was extremely edgy.

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>>15073820
Then, I think that the only of your examples that falls into the category of edgy, as put by the other anon as that gratuitous content serving the propose of trying to pass something as more mature, is the middle one. In my head it's like those school days when kids start saying a load of curses, that they don't even know the meaning, only to sound like a cool adult and impress their friends.

OP answer would be that it depends based on the purpose of the content. For example; the Wolfsmund manga have a lot, a really lot, of graphic scenes like little girls being decapitated, mother and children having all their holes checked or eaten by wolves, impalement, people crushed by horses, etc. But this has a purpose, because it is a story that takes place in the middle ages, and goes to show how life, repression and warfare were brutal at that time. Same goes with Berserk or Innocent.

Now, that small scene of the decapitated head in Remember Love song sequence, which only takes a few seconds, is all out of place and gratuitous.

>>15073775
>The dissonance between how the characters were acting and how the audience was supposed to see them was amazing.
No it was just poor writing. The show was trying to have its cake and eat it too

>>15073650
>>15073775

I love that scene. The way Merribit finally realizes that the entire situation is totally out of control and you have this pre-teen child army that needs to see their hero murder all of their enemies in revenge.

>>15073650
You utterly failed to recognize the importance of that scene. You were supposed to be in Merribit's shoes at that scene, like a well adjusted person.

>>15074119
>>>/ann/

>>15074119
Fuck off Lauren! That was one of the worst scenes in the show.

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>>15073415
>What exactly makes a show "edgy"?
Yuri, idols, moeshit, moeblobs, Genkis, high school senting, moe drama, shoujo drama, fanservice, cosplay

>>15074153
I know you really love shitposting, but can you please try to stay at least REMOTELY on topic?

When it does dark themes for no reason or message.

It's the difference between showing children getting mowed down amongst protestors and rioters to demonstrate how uncaring the military force is in a dystopian military state

and showing some random thug killing and raping a woman in front of her daughter for no real reason.

One is demonstrating a dark and depressing atmosphere where callous loss of life and outright slaughter is common place the other is just going to extremes for shock value, which is, in itself, edgy

>>15073905
This is the main reason I despise the Saw series, it's just torture porn. No decent storyline, no compelling characters, no one to root for, just people being tortured and killed in gruesome ways for the sake of it

>>15073905
>It was his main criticism against The Attack on Titan manga and by association the animated version as well.
And newshits were butthurt over it calling him a hypocrite

>>15074220

If the latter is referring to hellsing ultimate, yes it was edgy, but it was also why Seras never talks about her past.

>>15073905
I wonder what Verhoeven would say about it. I remember he said something about the reason he makes his movies so gory is because he thinks that if violence is to the point that if you laugh at how over the top it is, but deep down you are uncomfortable with the fact that it's funny, then it's saying something. I can't remember what he said it was sayin, but it had to do with society.

That and he said that works that show violence but shy away from the real gore of such acts, are being disingenuous to what violence is really like. Remember, as a child he was surrounded by bombs going off and bodies just lying around from battlefield, though he did say that since he was only a child, he thought it was all just a big adventure back then.

>>15074226
The only good Saw movie was the first one.

>>15074239
its ok. Attack on Titan is retarded trash for retarded trash. None of these cunts are going to have viable children. This cancer will die with this generation.

>>15074004
>>15074007
Is there a vid or webm of this scene?

>>15074226
You could not be more wrong man. I have watched all the saw movies, and they are really interesting. If one would cut out the 4-5 min of gore in each movie, then what would be left, would be one of the most thightly planed detective movie series in recent memory. I really loved how they planned out the stories of serval movies, before making them. Like for example, a little throw away line in one movie, suddenly becomes a huge plot point a few movies later, characters from previous movies make cameos in most of the flashbacks (a few movies after they were killed) or small details being added to the backstories as the series goes on (and it works out really well). The amount of little plot relevant details in every scene is amazing, Another cool thing is how some of the movies take place at the same time and some have already concluded. I also Found the characters (especially the villains) to be interesting and compelling. They had motivations, quirks, breaking points etc. And finally, it was not just random torture, for the torture. About 10% of every movies run time is ''torture'', the rest is either story related, or character moments.

You speak like all the other people, who only know saw by it's false reputation.

>>15074336
I think 1 was the worst, since it suffers from early instalment weirdness and it clearly had no plans for sequels. after 2, the movies kept getting better. 2&3 were written back to back, and so were 4,5 & 6.

>>15073744

Well I would argue that yes, a lot of the reason we don't get much in the ways of decent horror these days is because of a turn to EDGY.

People got slaughtered left and right in early Friday and Nightmare but at some point the killers became the, well not "protagonists" but the main attraction.

was it made by Tomino?

>>15074007
Yeesh

>>15074004
>>15074007
We didn't nuke them hard enough

>>15074141
>>15074144
>a minute apart
>crying about the same boogeymen
what did they mean by this

>>15073949
Did you miss the part where, in the previous ep, they had Mika go all dilated pupils on Orga and Orga looked like he was going to piss himself? Then they agree they're going to forge ahead no matter the bodycount, and OMINOUS LIGHTNING CRACK?

They weren't trying to make it seem like Mika was the good guy here. They very specifically set up Carta's death to be sympathetic, after emphasizing how Tekkadan was walking a dangerous road.

>>15073415
Goddamn, those fucking bodily details.

>>15074547
>boogeyman

You still here Lauren?

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>>15074572
>Did you miss the part where, in the previous ep, they had Mika go all dilated pupils on Orga and Orga looked like he was going to piss himself? Then they agree they're going to forge ahead no matter the bodycount, and OMINOUS LIGHTNING CRACK?
Yeah and there was nothing that made it look like they were on the dangerous path just that their relationship hinged on this promise and they had to keep moving forward. You're looking into things that are not there.

>They weren't trying to make it seem like Mika was the good guy here. They very specifically set up Carta's death to be sympathetic, after emphasizing how Tekkadan was walking a dangerous road
Guess what? They did a poor job with both. Carta just looks like a retard through most of it and the audience isn't going to sympathize with her because she killed Biscuit and up to that point wasn't portrayed as anything more than a fool and for better or worse Mika was fighting to avenge his comrade one which the show tends this to the only sane person telling them to stop. The scene falls flat because the juxtaposition of the scene doesn't make sense despite the obvious intention. What's the point of Merribit's objection if everyone is going to tell her to fuck off? What's the point of Mika fighting Carta if the only thing to get from her is that she was a retard who got a comrade of there's killed due to her bullshit? That was one of the worst scenes in the show and almost as bad as the Vegan episodes in the third arc of AGE.

>>15074368
It's genocyber episode 1, full episodes are on youtube, but the series is garbage overall.

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>>15073415
Edgy is literally a marketing term in which execs try to make their product appeal to the younger generation by giving it the appearance of going against the grain.
It has little to do with how much violence is featured in the product.

>>15074645
please calm your boner those kids are underage

>>15074734
T H I S
Also, it should be mentioned that in a world where "edgy" is both everywhere and marketable, it is no longer fucking edgy.

A hardcore snuff porn film is edgy.
When NBC and CBS play one every week, it's not edgy anymore.

>>15074137
and you utterly failed to comprehend the post you replied to
>so this event is supposed to be questionable, right?
>except the show portrays it as heroic and justified and not so much questionable
>the supposedly sensable mature person got told to shut up by supposedly heroic oppressed innocent child soldiers
It's like, the show was ironically shitposting, but the shitpost was so good you are not sure if they were actually trying to be ironic or serious.

>>15074734
Uh, no. Edgy has more to do with shock factor than overusing twist bullshit.

For instance, it was edgy when SEED broadcasted human bodies exploding and Kira 100% hooking up with Flay.

>>15074239
>>15074342
>he unironically believes Victory is high art

>>15073905
When I first noticed the hype around AoT, it mostly revolved around 'how cool it was that they actually kill off characters so suddenly after developing them' (IE: no plot armor).
The hype died around about the same point that the (remaining) characters from Eren's class kept surviving shit that killed far more experienced/killed characters (IE: there was plot armor after all).

>>15073949
Shinn's rampages essentially let Kira end the war without blood on his hands. I don't think the Strike Freedom could've wrecked Heaven's Base like the Destiny did, unless Kira dropped his 'no kill' rule, or the writers just plothaxed him to victory.

>>15074372
It's torture porn with a surprisingly well written backstory, but it doesn't make it meaningful or deep. The detective story wouldn't stand on its own without the torture porn.

>>15073820
of those three, I'd say type 2 pretty much never works, type 1 only rarely works, and type 3 also rarely works, three primary examples pop into my head covering types 1 & 2 that fail miserably;

Gundam SEED: is pretty much a mix of types 1 & 2, generally just makes an already bleh show even harder to watch(is the main reason I've never rewatched SEED, which is unfortunate because in spite of it's low quality it has some of my favorite MS designs)

Blood C: pure type 2, probably the most nihilistic and pointless thing I've ever watched(which is a shame because I remember liking the previous Blood series)

PsychoPass: also a mix of types 1 & 2, there's some good ideas in this series but it slips into pointless edge pretty hard(especially in Season 2), even worse it's the kind that breaks any suspension of disbelief that's needed for this kind of concept

>>15073905
>Tomino has a word for it : violence porn. It was his main criticism against The Attack on Titan manga and by association the animated version as well. Violence/gore for its own sake.
yeah I don't like it either, I feel Violence and Death in media needs to have a purpose to it, and should be used as minimally as possible(this doesn't apply as much to interactive forms of fiction though, as those have different rules)

>>15073415
Generally speaking, something is edgy in the same way something is chuuni.
More or less, something becomes edgy when the following happen:

>When violence is used to justify or humanize a character's behaviour or make you empathize with him/her

>When there's simply too much violence for the sake of it instead of having a deeper meaning

>When violence is taken too seriously

>When violence is implied to be desirable, fun or morally right

>When violence/death is normalized and repeatedly used to deliver cheap emotional moments

tl;dr: Edgy follows the universal rule of when there's simply too much of something to the point of being distasteful and inappropriate.

There's also some rare cases, like MD Geist, when the intentional edginess backfires into non intentional hilarity, so while it is technically edgy it is so edgy it makes a 360° to the point of turning into comedy.

I do not know what edgy means, but I usually watch edgy stuff.

>>15075178
Is real life edgy?

>>15075186
yes

>>15075187
Then anime should be edgy then.

>>15075186
As edgy as you want it to be.

>>15073415
Shinn is very edgy also IBO is very edgy. You want to know what those shows both have in common? THEY ARE SHIT. In my eyes "edgy" is over the top violence kinda like Kiritsugu Emiya's back story.

>>15075200
I guess you can stay at home all days and things wouldn't be edgy.

>>15075205
>teleports behind fridge
>"nothing personnel"
>takes mountain dew

>>15075212
I guess you can always perform mass murder by fapping.

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>>15074004
>>15074007

>>15073775
I think we were supposed to see them exactly how they were acting, like a bunch of violent psychopaths. I think the problem was just how the show went about portraying that was less than stellar

>>15075033
>The hype died around about the same point that the (remaining) characters from Eren's class kept surviving shit that killed far more experienced/killed characters (IE: there was plot armor after all).
Fucking this, I remember in the very beginning when the one titan killed 3 of those scout guys, then like what, 7 episodes later? They were slicing through titans like butter, huge letdown

>>15073415
Edgy=controversial for the sake of being controversial

If the show has something to say about its themes then its not edgy. If it portrays controversial themes and doesnt go anywhere then its edgy, its simple.