Remember that time Char had a magical Adhesive Shoulder Of Fear

>>15049696
What happened to Char's neck?

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>>15049714

Not even Texas Colony is immune to nope.avi disease.

Even first gundam was kind of silly at times, I don't think it's that out of place

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he's gay

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>>15049726
Not only did he thump that guy away for like 40 yards, he did it with enough force to break bricks.

I don't think Origin is what actually happened, it's just the way Char tells the story on the internet. Everyone he glares at gets paralyzed with fear, he can flick people across parking lots, teleport behind you and unsheathe his katana before you can blink, gun down whole squads of seasoned soldiers by himself while doing axial rolls with his jetpack, etc, etc.

>>15049696
You only saw him when he was the masked man, you don't his past.

>>15049696
Why is Garma so cute

>>15049737
So basically if you look it that way, he really is an egomaniac and narcissist. Every bit the slickster people analyze him t be.

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>>15049696
What the fuck is Beavis doing there

>>15049722
>Not even Texas Colony
>posts a Texan
u wot m8

>>15049751
Cause he just is

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>>15049696
The whole thing is about how char came about form a different writer's perspective and comes off as really masturbatory towards char. If you don't love everything about char like even have a full body pillow of the guy in your bed right now you will hate gundam the origin, no question. So whats your point then?

>>15049751
becuase fembois will forever be god tier

>>15049730
Lewd

>>15050172
Read the manga, retard.

>>15049696
>>15049737
this sounds like something from Mr. Gundam

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>>15049730

>>15049714
>What happened to Char's neck?

It grew on the spot to enhance how a mean fucker he really is.

>>15049751
>Why is Garma so cute

So that fujoshis can pair him with char.

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>Garmafags and self-proclaimed psychologists are all over the place
And it doesn't seem like you guys will extinct.

>>15050596
>And it doesn't seem like you guys will extinct.

Oh shut up Lalah. You'll still be like a mother to Char.

>>15050066
>hehehe... red comet

>>15050095

He's talking about Char having been on Texas Colony, not that engie is a Texan Colonist.

>>15049737
The problem with the Origin Anime's version of Char is, despite doing all this over-the-top super edgy shit, he's still going to get his ass kicked by an autistic kid in a few years' time.

Unless they retcon that too, and then all appearances of Amuro after Char kills him are replaced with a dimension hopping Kira Yamato.

>>15049751
Because that is part of his master plan.

>>15050842
Only in the third episode does he seem to do any truly edgy shit.

I just assume that his new type sith powers work just fine until he gets his dick hard for Lalla and then he becomes a weak cuck who gets pushed around.

That or the Gundam really is just retarded invincible

>>15050862
What's the next step?

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>>15050881
Crashing his plane.
WITH NO SURVIVORS.

It was his Newtype powers you retards
Animeonlys can stop posting anytime

>>15050936
>Char
>powers
Char's only powers are running away from the Gundam and getting other people killed

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>>15049696
>>15049737
This only makes Amuro better.

>>15051027
He has protagonist powers, duh

Lol origin quality

>>15051130
villain powers

>>15049696
That's what happens when Tomino is not directing

>>15051174
Are you forgetting the rampant tominoisms present in zeta?

Nothing origin level autism happens in zeta, but let's be real, tomino couldn't have saved origin

>>15051174
ain't none of this bullshit in IBO

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>>15050647
Still, I don't like what you people are posting here

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>>15051433
fixed, actually I like the original better

>>15051433
>>15051551

she looks stoned

>>15051433
>>15051551
What's the difference?
>>15051552
Imagine that you're sitting at the terrace, watching at the rain and swans. Then suddenly a kid in a feddie uniform stops by and asks something.

>>15051201
I told you animeonlys to stop posting

>>15051551
So creepy looking

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>>15050506
Fuck that. Mangas for nerds.

>>15052186
It's also non-canon. Little better than a fanfiction, honestly.
Actually it kind of is a fanfiction, it's only because it's a fanfiction written by an artist from the original show that anyone gives it any credibility at all.

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>>15052230
I had a good time with it. Had a good amount of nostalgia. You can't just invalidate it no matter how hard you try.

>>15052386
I don't have to. The manga is invalid simply by not being a Sunrise product. Only the anime is official.
You may try to validate it if you like, but I assure you I'm not going to care.

>>15052386
The water color landscapes were really nice.

>>15051775
In one she has pupils.

>>15051551
Shouldn't they be white?

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>>15049696

>>15051174

This guys gets it.

Origin is so retarded it's hilarious. I don't know how you guys didn't see it from the first episode when Char is hijacking Guntanks as a babby or episode 2 where he relentlessly beats that guy in a super saiyan rage.

>>15053552
Oh really.
Without pupils she looks cuter.

>>15053729
>>15053729
>. I don't know how you guys didn't see it from the first episode when Char is hijacking Guntanks as a babby or episode 2 where he relentlessly beats that guy in a super saiyan rage.
Come on, during WWII children have been killing the occupants and even piloting the airplanes.
And Char was pretty capable of doing it all. Especially if the controls of Guntank are pretty simple.

>>15053960

What about his relentless beating of that guy with dramatic music and all that low angle camera?

>>15053964
Blame the creators on music and camera angle.
Where I live, people can be charged and be fully responcible for murder, causing heavy injury on purpose etc. since the age of 14.
It's pretty possible.

>>15053729
Remember (>>15050842):
>he's still going to get his ass kicked by an autistic kid in a few years' time

>>15050842
In the Origins manga Amuro dies super early and Char takes his place.

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>>15055086
>In the Origins manga Amuro dies super early and Char takes his place.
Wat

>>15055103
Amuro dies in the novel, the White Horse crew and Char team up to go NEWTYPE STRONKEST.

>>15055086
No, he doesn't Origin ends almost exactly like the 0079 series/movie.

>>15050172
>felt Char in 79 was a decent character with his own motivations
>4 vags is my favorite version of him
>Liked him still in CCA.
>Hate Origin psycopath and absolute madman
The writer wanked Char so much, it ended up the same as how Kira became such a shit character.

>>15049696
i don't get what the hell happened in this scene

was this an abbreviated version of what should've been a fight scene but they didn't want to animate it so you're supposed to imagine it?

im new to gundumbs so I don't know if it's some sort of reference

>>15055086
This doesn't happen in any of them. Amuro is killed in the later part of the novelization and Char has a loose alliance with the White Base to kill the Zabis.

>>15055707
Char is and always has been a psychopath, he's just good at hiding it. He always wears a "mask" to conceal his true intentions

>>15058136
>psychopath
Guys. Char's behavior is fine. It's you who are just a bunch of pussies from the land of pink unicorns

>>15058157
Shut the fuck up Char

>>15053729
Can't say I care much about a child piloting war machines when a vaguely autistic 15 year old with zero combat experience can successfully pilot a Gundam in the same series. Origin is just a more theatrical take on Gundam, sit back and enjoy its ridiculousness.

>>15050647
Of course Char would french kiss his mother.

>>15058136
>look at all of my buzzwords

>>15059719
Ah yes, I remember that Type-90 doujinshi.

>>15059719
>implying you wouldn't fall for such women as Astraia and Lalah

>Char is directly involved in and igniting events that lead to the OYW

Were the Dawn Rebellion and the first Mobile Suit battle on the moon previously canon? Because Char's involvement in both does feel a bit like overkill.

>>15052391
The Origin manga is a Sunrise product. It has fucking Sunrise copyrights on it.

>>15060969
Not published by Sunrise. Not drawn under Sunrise contract. Not produced by Sunrise.
Not a Sunrise product.
The anime is, the manga is not. The copyrights being used with permission does not make it a Sunrise product.

>>15049696
I really like The Origin, but the entire Char prologue section was way too long and not particularly needed.

Like it was nice that some of the more popular Zeon characters got a bit more fleshed out, but readers just finished getting through Jaburo and now have to sit through three god damn volumes of backstory before the 0079 reimagining (the thing people are reading Origin for) can continue.

I can only wonder how mad anime only viewers would've been if they stayed faithful to that.

Did Char ever had a happy Christmas or a New Year's eve together with the people he loves?

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>>15058157

>>15053729
Except that all of us did see it from the first episode. Either we just don't care and watch it anyways, or we make threads accusing Yas of Zeonwank.

>>15062275
>Char
>People he loves

>>15062250
>the 0079 reimagining (the thing people are reading Origin for

What, this Char stuff is great and "new" I'm not looking forward to when the movies start rehashing.

>>15064948
>Lalah
>Sayla
>Dead parents
>maybe Nanai
>not people

>>15062250
When will Feddies get fleshed out?
Fucking Zeonwank

>>15068220
>When will feddies get fleshed out

If and when we get to the white base parts of the war.

Also maybe next episode via Tem Ray stuff. DESU the stuff with Tem and Anaheim last episode was the best part IMO and I'm a Zekefag admittedly. (Though I admit the flawless victory even if the proto Guncannons were shitty was stupid)

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>>15068220
>When will Feddies get fleshed out?
But they DID get fleshed out.

Did you somehow miss the part where the Fed's first instinct when the colonists peacefully asked for independence was to gun them down with soldiers?

Or the time the Feds deployed tanks and Gun Cannons against innocent civilians?

>>15068252
You mean restored order and ended a protest inconveniencing traffic and people trying to work for a living?

If only we had guntanks to deploy everytime an inner city riot breaks out IRL.

>>15068229
They were BEYOND shitty. They were designed solely to;
>walk
>thrust around
>raise rifle
>aim cannon

They were Guntanks with legs and incapable of close range fighting, quick maneuvers, or defensive posturing. The Zaku I could knee them in the chest, boost around them, and jam a heat hawk in their backs before the Guncannon could even move. Despite the over the top nature of the scene, they really were no threat to the Zakus at all simply because they really were that goddamn bad.

I know but it's stupid that they didn't even do anything to them, not a damn thing.

It was a shitty anti climatic 'First MS battle' even if yes, the Guncannons where shit, they could of at least made it interesting to watch shit.

>>15068362
Didn't see the OVA yet, but in the manga Tem is really at AE pissed and knew this would happen. AE essentially hijacked the project and refused to listen to him about how MS vs MS combat would evolve and how MS would change warfare. They're basically just guntanks with legs because AE figured ms would fill the same exact support/artillary role as guntanks while Zeon spent years actually researching ms combat in addition to improving the design.

>>15068373
I think the point of that scene was to show the Zakus doing SOMETHING other than getting one-shotted by Amuro.

Cause in MSG that's all they did. Appear on screen and get immediately blown up by an autistic toddler in an unstoppable god machine.

>>15068373
>>15068404
The point of the battle narrative wise is that it's the wake up call that makes the EF take this ms warfare thing seriously and leads to them throwing support into Tem's proposed project V.

>>15068413
Yes I know but they could of at least...hit something, anything. Even if it didn't do anything.

Whatever it doesn't matter really, the non battle part of it was good anyways, (the banter with the Zeke's and the Tem Ray bits, Tem Ray basically getting his told you so moment and going on to basically take AE's entire thing is pretty damn cool best part of the episode if not series IMO) be nice to see Loum have something do something since they might have something worth a shit by then in the origin verse.

>>15064982

I'd have thought Nanai a pretty clear no given that he only shows her the most perfunctory attention during the movie, and even when he's clearly losing the fight against Amuro his only response to her is to tell her to piss off and stop interrupting. He doesn't mention or think of her at any point when she's not on screen either.

Then again, I'd doubt his love for Lalah too, and think his thoughts regarding her death ate significant, because he mourns what she could have done for him rather than her passing itself. Even Sayla is doubtful to me, since he doesn't go out of his way to contact or help her after 0079, and even in 0079 it comes across more as narrative convenience that he's taking advantage of than any effort on his part.

>>15068220

0079. Or do the crew of the White Base not count as Feddies for some reason.

>>15049737
>it's just the way Char tells the story on the internet.
This is now my headcanon. The guy's such a huge jobber in MSG that this makes more sense.

>Sneaks up behind Amuro and tries to shoot him in the back
>misses
>attacks him two on one
>jobs harder than ever

>>15068430
Would Korea's new biped have hit anything? The whole idea behind it is FIGHTING ROBOTS ARE FUCKING HARD TO MAKE and the Guncannons were little more than a 16m version of that new walker that just got built because AE wrongly assumed that's what they'd all be. Meanwhile, Zeon kept making primitive testbeds and realized they got really fucking nasty when you got close and fast with them.

The Guncannons were just ship turrets that could walk. So they got walked on like a ship.

>>15068438
>0079. Or do the crew of the White Base not count as Feddies for some reason.
Welll... The only Federation trained members of the crew are Bright, Ryu, and the Chef. Everyone else are civvies who got drafted.

>>15068475

There's at least Sleggar and Matilda too.

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>>15068488
>Matilda
>member of White Base

Will we get more variations of old MS soon?
I need another zaku variant. 30 isn't enough!

>>15068438
>He doesn't mention or think of her at any point when she's not on screen either.
The moment of him talking to Gyunei when he tries to say "You can have Quess" or something.
>when he's clearly losing the fight against Amuro his only response to her is to tell her to piss off and stop interrupting
I wonder what you would say if you're in a middle of a fight and then suddenly you recieve a phone call from your mom or gf.
>he mourns what she could have done for him rather than her passing itself
How did you reached that thought?
>Even Sayla is doubtful to me, since he doesn't go out of his way to contact or help her after 0079
Clearly you don't know how should act an undercover spy. The only difference is that Char works for himself and not for some intelligence service.
The attempts to contact hostile side are too hard to keep unspotted by the counterintelligence. You can't show your feelings to anyone, otherwise you're dead. Doesn't western spy fiction movies or series show it?

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>>15068283

>>15068220
>Fucking Zeonwank

But literally every Zeon person including Char is a total piece of shit in this. Except maybe Ramba and his wife.

>>15053656
I laughed and everyone in the room noticed me.
>:/

>>15068252
>innocent civilians
There's no innocent civilian in Zeon.

>>15070444
Yeah, because the Feddies killed them.

>>15050596
Can we agree that she was the best girl?

>>15050172
>Not wanting more Char fanwank
Fucking feddies, man...

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Why can't i find the dubbed version of episode 4 on the net? i know it exists, but it's nowhere to be found. i guess my gundam marathon is ruined now.

>>15055707
>wanked
>shows him as the sociopath murderer he is
???

>>15062250
>the thing people are reading Origin for
Nope.
Updated 0079 animation is still a rehash, I don't care because I'm not 16 and I can still watch and enjoy the old series.

>>15072086
>he doesn't want OYW in SRW again
No, fuck you.

>>15068579

> The moment of him talking to Gyunei when he tries to say "You can have Quess" or something.

Don't know what moment you're on about, but how is Char talking to Gyunei about Quess an instance of Char thinking or talking about Nanai?

> I wonder what you would say if you're in a middle of a fight and then suddenly you recieve a phone call from your mom or gf.

If I was losing the fight with no hope of winning because I was one arm down in a boxing match and spending the last while mostly running away then "help" would probably be a good start.

> How did you reached that thought?

He mourns the fact she could have "been a mother" to him i.e. what she could do for him rather than mourning her as a person. In the movie trilogy his reaction is mostly frustration that he can't beat the Gundam as he is and wishing for Lalah's help. He rolls a tear as he says it, but he's still mostly expressing frustration when alone with his thoughts. Even in the finale, he shows no regret that he brought Lalah in to the war and mostly looks to her for guidance in beating the Gundam. He loved her because she represented something to him in my view, rather than her as a person.

>>15072904

> Clearly you don't know how should act an undercover spy.

He wasn't an undercover spy for a good chunk of that time period. Around midway through Zeta he publicly reveals himself as Char Aznable and by the end of Zeta he's one of the primary figures in the A.E.U.G. who helped stop the Titans from taking control. If he's anything then, he's a public hero. He's not undercover at all, and has no reason to fear his identity being found, since he's already revealed himself. He might have had reasons to fear doing so between the end of 0079 and some of Zeta, but certainly not the rest of Zeta and up to Char's Counterattack. Which accounts for about 6 years. Plenty of time to contact Sayla, even if you want to posit that he couldn't out of fear of being caught before that point - though I don't believe that was his reason or something he particularly had to worry about between 0079 and Zeta either. Especially not when he spends a good chunk of that time living on Axis by his own admission in Zeta, and wouldn't have been undercover on Axis. It wasn't until he came back leading a new Neo Zeon that the Federation had any reason to distrust him. Even then, they officially endorsed and dealt with him. Only Amuro and Bright were looking for him before that point, and they only suspected something since he'd been gone so long.

>>15072904
>He mourns the fact she could have "been a mother" to him i.e. what she could do for him rather than mourning her as a person.
You don't love about your mom as a person?

>>15073358

I love my mother for who and what she is, not for what she can do for me or what she can provide.

>>Take like 8 months off 4chan
>>/m/ thinks Origin is bad for dumb reasons

never change

>>15073386
OK. Because you cited the fact that he said that as an evidence that he doesn't care about her "as a person".

>>15073410

Yes, because he mourned what she could be and do for him, that she could have become a mother to him, or more likely and in less flowery language, that she could have given him guidance and helped him. Which isn't the same as mourning the passing of an actual mother.

>>15072904
>Don't know what moment you're on about,
1:29:00 of a BD version of CCA
>n instance of Char thinking or talking about Nanai
He mentions that Nanai "was very nice to him",so it means that even if he doesn't love her, he would like her to stay with him, I suppose.
>help" would probably be a good start.
Char is too proud to scream for help.
Also, how would Nanai help him even with her newtype connection? Amuro is too small to be shot by a ship cannon.
Char's master plan was going on well, even though he was loosing in a MS combat to his main adversary. No matter if he's gonna loose his MS, Axis will fall and nothing but a deus ex machina can help it.
>he shows no regret that he brought Lalah in to the war
Why would he? If he didn't, she would be unable to develop her potential and live on as a servant or even a prostitute like in Tomino's early novels. So, Char not only has saved her, but arranged her well-being at Flanagan's institute.
>He loved her because she represented something to him in my view, rather than her as a person
Does it matter why do you love a person? You either love one or you don't love one. That's all.

>>15072906
Oh, excuse me, I thought we were talking about 0079.
In Zeta he mentions being far away from Earth and if we concider CDA as a canon story about his life between 0079 and Zeta, then he was just unable to contact her.
>but certainly not the rest of Zeta and up to Char's Counterattack.
If you have been watching ZZ, then you should have seen Sayla mentioning that she met Char at some moment and that meeting wasn't very pleasant to her.
>Especially not when he spends a good chunk of that time living on Axis by his own admission in Zeta, and wouldn't have been undercover on Axis.
Axis was staying silent for a serious amount of time because otherwise EF would send a fleet to finish them. Have you heard about Imperial Army remnants trying to reach their relatives or government with letters and phonecalls?

>>15073421
And what is the mourning of an actual mother? Why do you love your mom, kind anon?How do you love someone as a person?

>>15073480
So, where's the answer?

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>>15076082

>>15076150
>mum
>>15076082
>Waifu

Char wasn't some kind of pervert, Anon.

>>15076162
>futurous mum
>friend
Stop messing with the words and facts.

>>15068404
>an autistic toddler in an unstoppable god machine.
lol it wasn't very unstoppable when Sayla tried to pilot it. Sure, she got farther than Ssigh, but she got her ass handed to her.

>>15059705
The Gundam had an easy-adaption learning computer, right? And superior armor/tech?

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>>15049696
tfw no Garma funeral scene that is set to Sound of Silence that mirrors the funeral scene from Watchmen.

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>>15072071
I love the shit out of Char. Sorry you got the wrong idea from my post. I was just approaching origin objectively to condescend to the OP.

>>15073422

> 1:29:00 of a BD version of CCA
> He mentions that Nanai "was very nice to him"

Oh, you're right. He does however mention it just after saying that he only cares about two things: Neo Zeon and Amuro. I wouldn't even take it as him meaning he wants her to stay though frankly given the tone and wording, so much as "she's useful".

> how would Nanai help him even with her newtype connection

Why would she need that to help him? She's on a ship, with communications to an army in the middle of a battle. She could easily request units help him, or even fire shots to distract his enemy. She might not hit him, but she doesn't need to - only to distract him. And yea, he's winning the war, but it's pretty obvious he wants to win the battle too. Which he's not doing by running away and barely fending off attacks whenever Amuro catches him.

> If he didn'd, she (Lalah) would be unable to develop her potential and live on as a servant or even a prostitute like in Tomino's early novels

The prostitute bit wasn't in the anime or the novelization. More to the point: so what? So she wouldn't be a newtype? Who cares? It's not like being a newtype was her one passion and interest and she was willing to die to develop it above all others. We're given no indication she'd feel her life would be empty without that one thing, or without meeting Char and Amuro. Or that she'd take death over life without those things.

> Does it matter why do you love a person? You either love one or you don't love one. That's all.

So all love is equal with no difference in quality or quantity? I love my sisters, my dog, my friends, some of my possession's and a few celebrities and pieces of media. Are all of them equal because I qualify my feelings for them as love?

>>15081630

>>15073445

> if we consider CDA as a canon story

We don't (royal we).

> If you have been watching ZZ, then you should have seen Sayal mentioning that she met Char at some point

I downloaded ZZ (and CCA) again to double check this since I was pretty sure that wasn't true, and unless I'm mistaken she only has one speaking role in ZZ (episode 46) and in that she mentions nothing about meeting Char. Just that she doesn't approve of him basically and that it's typical of him to wait for good timing to strike etc. This is with the apparently better translation the new release gives - so an older one might have said otherwise.

> Axis was staying silent for a serious amount of time

So what? He's not Axis. Even if he couldn't contact her from Axis, he could leave since only Londo Bell were hunting him, and only with suspicions until he dropped Luna II. He would have no issues entering Earth under whatever identity he wanted, because no-one was really looking for him since he was considered an ally following Zeta and his helping the A.E.U.G.

>>15073480

When was the last time you heard someone mourn a parent (or anyone really) by saying "damn, and I needed their help too"? Or by going "and she could have been X to me"? As opposed to "I miss them", "I did/didn't do X", "I should have done Y" etc? Char mourned the loss of an ally and what they could provide, not who they were, what he'd miss about them etc.

>>15081630
>I wouldn't even take it as him meaning he wants her to stay though frankly given the tone and wording, so much as "she's useful".

>Why do you think I have an interest in Quess?
>Me..?
>I only care about the revival of Neo Zeon so go out there and protect her....moreover, Nanai is good to me.
Or in Beltorchika's children
>Nanai is good to me in bed.

What according to you is the purpose of this exchange? Char suddenly felt like delivering exposition? Where is it implied that Nanai is "useful" to him? Why would Gyunei give a damn if Nanai was "useful" or not?

>>15082739

Char starts it by asking Gyunei why he thinks Char himself would care about Quess, and when he plays dumb responds that the only things he cares about are Neo Zeon and Amuro but adds that Nanai has been nice to him. If you don't care about someone but notice their niceness it's usually because they're useful to you in some way. Gyunei wouldn't care how he feels about Nanai, but he would care about how Char feels about Quess, so saying he thinks Nanai is nice but not mentioning Quess at all is pretty obviously meant to placate Gyunei by reassuring him that he doesn't care about anyone, but that if he even remotely likes someone, it's Nanai, not Quess. He doesn't even lie and day he cares about Nanai though, just that she's been nice.

>>15082750
You guys are hopeless. You are the one who mentioned tone and wording and now you are completely ignoring the tone and wording.

>>15082793

Uh, no. I'm commenting directly on the wording in >>15082750. I'm not even sure how you'd think otherwise.

>>15082806
You think he is intentionally inserting inappropriate sexual innuendo in his conversation with a kid to make his argument more convincing?

>>15082855

I think Gyunei's a teenager, not a kid and that Char knows that he's interested in Quess because Nanai literally told him Gyunei was a few minutes before hand. And that Char is motivating him by assuring him that he has no interest in Quess.

>>15082865
You think it's appropriate for an adult to casually insinuate about his sexual life to someone who is in a much inferior position to him, is much younger and probably has no sexual experience, is not in any way close or related to him, especially in the given situation?

>>15082898

I think appropriate has very little to do with it and Char said what he felt would work best regardless of how appropriate it was. And that the language is neutral enough to not set off any bells for censorship.

>>15082900
Why would being appropriate not matter?
In what way would it work best to not be appropriate?

>>15082935

Speaking inappropriately allows him to be as honest as he's willing to be with Gyunei and manipulate Gyunei to fight harder for him in the coming battle. Why would it matter that he speak appropriately to Gyunei though?

>>15082941
What does sex have to do with the upcoming battle? How would feeling sexually intimidated help him fight better?

>>15082949

Why would sex, or sexual desire make any young male fight better? Not even just human ones, ones of almost any species - certainly ones with dominant males. Because he wants to impress a female. Which he explicitly does. After he shoots down the nukes Bright fires at Axis he tries to make Quess aware of it to make himself seem more attractive to her. Char making it explicit he isn't competition makes it more likely Gyunei will fight harder for and with Quess, that he'll do a better job protecting her and that he'll try harder to impress her. He even says a few minutes later that he'll take down Amuro and surpass Char by doing so.

>>15083170
What the fuck are you even talking about? What sexual desire? Char is not saying "Go get the her, you stud." He is saying "You are just a dumb brat and you don't know anything about stuff like that."

>>15083181

Do you seriously think Gyunei doesn't want to hook up with Quess? He might not be thinking off it in terms of sex, but he certainly wants her on some level. Hence why he tells her he'll surpass Char and flat out asks why she wants Char and not him. Hence why he tries to impress her by telling her about the nukes. I don't think it's the only thing he's interested in with her, since he seems to idolize what a natural newtype she is too, but it's certainly an aspect.

So no, I don't think Char is saying "you're a dumb brat and don't understand this" and that he's all but telling Gyunei he can have Quess if he wants/is able to, since Char himself doesn't care about her.

>>15083197
I'm not talking about what Gyunei is thinking. Of course he wants to impress her. I'm talking about Char and what he is saying and why he is saying it and he is definitely saying "you're a dumb brat and don't understand anything" and I don't see what it has to do with how Guynei feels about it.

>>15083217

So you think Char seeks Gyunei out just to say he doesn't understand anything about a topic Gyunei has never broached with him? K.

>>15083226
Yes.

>>15081630
>I love my sisters, my dog, my friends etc. Are all of them equal because I qualify my feelings for them as love?
It's curious that you listed your dog before your friends.
In any case a good question. Feeling are subjective but in general if you say:
>I love pizza
it might mean pizza makes you feel good but there are a lot of other nice things you can eat.
>I love my dog
it might mean you can walk around with your dog and play with it and have a fun time and it won't ever leave you which is nice.
>I love my friends
then you spend a lot of fun time with them and you can share your thoughts and ask for advice and many times they are someone to rely on.
>I love my siblings
it's because you are most likely to spend most of your early or even latter life with them, lots of your attitudes are influenced by them, you feel responsible for them and they can many times be the first person you can go to for help. Overall they can have great impact on your life.
>I love my parents
it's because you literally exist thanks to them in every single way. You couldn't have survived without them. They taught you to do everything you need to know to get by in this world from how to wipe your ass to how to deal with complex social situations. Sometimes they taught you badly but the point is they are pretty fucking important for your immediate survival.
>I love my spouse
it's because once you reached sexual maturity your body wanted to fulfill its biological purpose regardless of your opinion about it. As if getting someone to fuck you was not complicated enough you also had to think how you were going to provide for your family so you wanted someone you can depend on because this would influence every aspect of your further existence.
See, it's all about the level of personal investment.
Now, on a scale of "Pizza is yummy" to "In good times and in bad, in sickness and in health" where would you put "I wanted you to guide me"?

>>15083986
Obviously, a pizza. It can never be wrong.

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>>15083217

Nanai tells Char about Gyunei's feelings and that pairing him with Quess wouldn't be a smart way to improve performance. And then a few minutes later he's doing exactly that. He probably followed her suggestion just because he wanted to rub in Gyunei's face that he didn't understand anything though. And Gyunei was just thinking he'd get to the bottom of it as he gets in his mobile suit because the whole thing went over his head.

>>15083986

The point really was that if you someone says they love something you shouldn't really be taking their word that love means the same thing across the board. I'd generally agree with your assessment, and yes, I was aware I was putting dog before friends when writing it, and considered doing otherwise, but I see my dog everyday and my friends less often (some of them much less so), so putting him first felt right to me on those grounds.

Char mourns Lalah based on what she could have been rather than who she was, and misses her because he feels it'll be harder to defeat Amuro without her. None of your levels feels completely right and I'd stick with my assessment she was an ally more than a love to him, but friend is probably the closest comparison.

>>15084173
>I was aware I was putting dog before friends when writing it, and considered doing otherwise, but I see my dog everyday and my friends less often
That's commendable. As I said feeling are subjective.
> and misses her because he feels it'll be harder to defeat Amuro without her
See, because you are making this wrongful assumption all the rest of your reasoning is thrown off.

>>15084173
>He probably followed her suggestion just because he wanted to rub in Gyunei's face that he didn't understand anything though.
I don't see how one thing contradicts the other. It's not like he went to bully Guynei on purpose. It just turned out that way because of his personal feeling about it.

>>15084306

> wrongful assumption

When then does he grieve her in a way that feels genuine of a lover?

>>15084317

Personal feelings about what? Also, if Gyunei genuinely had no clue what Char was on about, then why is one of his next lines after Char leaves him saying to himself that he'll found out if Char is being honest (or something to that effect)?

>>15084324
>When then does he grieve her in a way that feels genuine of a lover?
All of the time?

>>15084324
Personal feelins about his personal feelings.
Char says Gyunei can have Quess all that he wants and Gyunei says "We'll see about that".

Not really no. Immediately after her death in MSG he rolls just one tear and expresses frustration about his battle with Amuro and the Gundam. It's Amuro that brings it up in the finale, not him, and he mostly seems unconcerned with it saying she wouldn't have developed her powers if he hadn't found her regardless of dying. In Char's Counterattack he appears more angry at Amuro about it (and losing), than genuinely aggrieved by her death. Even when he does express something about her, it's mourning what she could have been rather than what she was. The one time he seems to genuinely mean it is as Quattro in Zeta, when he says he left Axis because he couldn't feel her ghost that far out. Even then, there's doubt though because he's trying to get Amuro's help and his entire time as Quattro is cast as a ploy because of CCA.

>>15084378

I'm honestly lost at his point. If Char was just blurting there while following Nanai's suggestion, then what personal feelings was Char conflicted over to just blurt uncontrolled like that to Gyunei? And if Gyunei was lost on what Char was saying, why was he going to see about it (find out the truth)?

I'm 2 episodes in Origin and while it is pretty great, I'm really frustrated with how Char is depicted. One would think he started out as scared or weak but he seems to have been cunning and fearless since the very beginning. At least Sayla has developed beautifully so far. The OVA as a whole is, again, really good and I'm sure Char's depiction will fit better in the next episodes.

>>15084431
Children can be brave and/or very cruel sometimes. For example, all those endless stories of the child soldiers or soviet "Pioneer Heroes", which are mostly WWII teenage guerrillas.

>>15084418
In series he breaks into tears and slams the board of his Gelgoog.

>>15084418
>Gyunei was lost on what Char was saying
I never implied anything of the sort.

Well, he is trying to say he is not really interested in Quess but it come out more like "It's not like I'm interested in your dumb brat or anything, baka."

>>15084418
>he rolls just one tear
At this point this is way more emotion than the sum of what he has shown previously, which would amount roughly to none.
>expresses frustration about his battle with Amuro and the Gundam
That is a quite liberal interpretation of a very vague line.
>he mostly seems unconcerned with it
Char didn't show any emotion? Call the news!
>in Char's Counterattack he appears more angry at Amuro
How should he feel about Amuro if not angry?
>and losing
When?
>mourning what she could have been rather than what she was
Stop repeating that. It's starting to piss me off.You are trying to prove that so don't use it as an argument
> he's trying to get Amuro's help
Help for what?
>his entire time as Quattro is cast as a ploy
Are you literally retarded?

>>15084431
>I'm sure Char's depiction will fit better in the next episodes
Unfortunately they wank him even harder it kind of gets annoying. I get that these episodes are his story but the execution could've been better.

>>15055086
In Origin, Amuro's come out fine and kiss Fraw's lips a good bye before he fuck off to Side 7 again

>>15068404
The feds made a deal with the devil so it makes sense for the gundam to be good

>>15084562
I'm all caught up now and honestly Char fit pretty well in the last two episodes. Better than the first two.

>>15049696
He's literally a psychic

>>15087130
[citation needed]

To be honest, the adhesive shoulder+flick made my day because it was such a riot.

>>15087130
Didn't Chalia Bull say he couldn't feel anything from Char at all?
Why didn't Char ever use his "Enable Looney Toons Physics" power in MSG, Zeta, or CCA? He could barely intimidate a toddler in Zeta (no, literally...when he tried to make Mineva go off-script during that AEUG/Axis meeting). He kind of intimidated that Side 6 guy with the "because it is convenient for Zeon" threat in MSG but that guy didn't seem particularly terrified let alone blubbering like the idiot in Origin 3. He didn't have any of that telekinetic power when he fought Amuro in A Baoa Qu. He wasn't very invincible when Kamille decked him in the schnoz in Zeta. He didn't use his FEAR GAZE on the Titans guy talking about the nukes in Jaburo. This isn't deserving of an in-story explanation. It was just an unwelcome moment of cartoon absurdity.

>>15089413
Aren't you taking this a bit too seriously?

>>15089430
MSG is a drama, not a comedy.
Origin, however, hamfists some slapstick comedy in anyway for no apparent reason. That's all it is, a dumb joke in a prequel to a drama that is known for having been vastly more serious than the shows that came before it.

Claiming that it was his newtype powers is even dumber than having the gag there to begin with.

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>>15084481

Really?

>>15084504

Nothing about that scene (or any interaction between Char and Quess) gives off a "I don't really like her, baka" vibe. He only mentions her right at the start, and he mentions her in a straight, "I don't care about her and why would you think that" way, both in words and tone, after which he details the only things he does care about in an almost conspiratorial manner considering the way he's standing beside Gyunei with his helmet placed close to Gyunei's side and looking at each other sideways, rather than looking at him head on.

>>15084542

> it's way more emotion than the sum of what he has shown previously

Which doesn't mean much on it's own for a character that faced very little emotional trauma up to that point.

> That is a quite liberal interpretation of a very vague line

There's nothing particularly vague about "I can't beat the Gundam. Not like this. Not now". It's pretty obviously frustration.

> Char didn't show any emotion? Call the news!

Someone wants to discuss something? Let's get sarcastic!

> When?

At the film's climax he's bitter at Amuro for continuing to work with the EF despite them not recognizing him and frustrated that he lost despite his plan being perfect.

> It's starting to piss me off

Boo hoo. I wasn't aware there were rules to arguing (there's suggestions and fallacies, not the same thing). It's also hard to express that he never worded his sentiments over her death in a manner that didn't sound possessive without invoking a similar line of thought.

> Help for what?

He wants Amuro to help him and the A.E.U.G. fight the Titans.

>>People taking Origin this seriously
>>Acting like 0079 was The Godfather

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>>15089949

> Are you literally retarded?

Is the literal definition for retard now "has a different opinion on a fictional thing than me" and/or "has the wrong opinion on a fictional thing than me"?

Char is at least superficially friendly with Amuro in Zeta, they joke with each other, share drinks and most importantly here Char attempts to push Amuro to get past his problems and become a pilot again. He urges him to help them and to recall Lalah without acting in the least bitter or angry over invoking her name. Which makes what he says in regards to Amuro seem like a ploy or faked in some manner in light of Char's Counterattack. Yea, he could change his mind and just be different by Char's Counterattack, but in light of the fact that as soon as Zeta was finished he faked his death and disappeared, giving up on everything the A.E.U.G. stood for in terms of moving people to space gradually it comes off more as just plain being a persona, not a change of heart. Even less than a year later in ZZ both Bright and Sayla are doubting his motives and think he's just getting ready to strike.

>>15089955
During the final battle in Zeta Gundam something must've made Char lose faith in Humanity. Cause he so no other resolve than the complete destruction of Earth to get humanity to change.

>>15090032
More like between Zeta and CCA. Like the Dublin drop

>>15090032

If you're trying to invoke Kamille then there's a few problems with that, like the fact he never actually learns about what happens to Kamille that we know of, and we have no reason to believe he learned about it off screen. Or the fact he never mentions, thinks about or implies anything to do with Kamille in Char's Counterattack. Or that he wasn't actually that close with Kamille in the first place. So no, I don't buy that theory in the least.

>>15090049
Nah, I really don't think he knew about Kamille.

>>15090049
>Or that he wasn't actually that close with Kamille in the first place.
Yeah, it's only fifty episodes and then:
>I believe in you.
>Fool, if you die here what will happen? It's not old people that should build a new era.
But it's not like they made out or something.

>>15089955
>Char is at least superficially friendly with Amuro in Zeta, they joke with each other, share drinks and most importantly here Char attempts to push Amuro to get past his problems and become a pilot again. He urges him to help them and to recall Lalah without acting in the least bitter or angry over invoking her name.
You only forgot the part where they talk about their sensitive but tough manly feeling in a tough manly way and he gets increasingly more depressed as the series progresses and he pouts and he spills out the whole motivation behind his character to Amuro but I guess he was merely pretending.

> both Bright and Sayla are doubting his motives and think he's just getting ready to strike.
It's great to know you have friends that will always love you and support you and believe in you.

>>15089949
>in an almost conspiratorial manner considering
It's interesting that you mention that. What do you think that it proves?

>>15089949
>Which doesn't mean much on it's own for a character that faced very little emotional trauma up to that point.
I think most normal people emote normally in most situations, not just ones distressing to them.
>There's nothing particularly vague
Yep, he just sits there in his cockpit crying for his dead lover that only got killed because he stupidly interfered in her fight in a fit of jealousy and he is obviously frustrated because... he lost a fight.
>At the film's climax he's bitter at Amuro for continuing to work with the EF
Oh, my, it's almost like he cares about Amuro or something.
>frustrated that he lost despite his plan being perfect
You mean the part where he didn't care about getting his ass kicked but was worried when the Federation soldiers tried to push Axis back? It's almost like he wants the operation to succeed.

>>15090032

Why would something in that battle cause him to lose his faith in humanity? Especially what happened to Kamille? They all went in to that battle knowing they were fighting shitty people who would do anything in the name of power and ready to lay down their lives to stop them from doing so. Why would he lose faith in humanity because Kamille became mentally retarded when the guy they knew was an arrogant dick did an arrogant and dicky thing? He already knew Scirocco was bad and that Kamille had risked danger repeatedly to stop him. Even if he wasn't consciously trying, he'd be mentally preparing for bad stuff all along just by nature of what he was doing.

Not that I get how he'd find Kamille's situation horrific in the first place. Sad yes. Horrific no. Kamille's mind was fine, it was just his body or his mind's connection to it that was screwed. Even a few days later his mind was conversing no problem with Judau. Given Char left before he could be told or witness Kamille, him finding out relies on the idea he did so by newtype senses, but those are psychic and convey much deeper information than the superficial details our eyes or ears or whatever would give. So his newtype sense would have to detect that Kamille's body was screwed up but not that his mind was fine or that he'd recover. Which I don't buy either.

>>15090046

If it was something that happened after the final battle in Zeta then why would he disappear at that point? Why would the Dublin drop cause him to lose faith in humanity anyway, if the Isle Iffish one didn't, even ignoring that his plan following a loss of faith in humanity because of a colony drop would be to drop a colony.

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>>15072075
>dubbed
reeeeeeeeeee

>>15079127
>Ssigh
Stop this

>>15090121

The first line was Kamille speaking so it's irrelevant to how close Char was to Kamille, but the second was Char saying "older people (with the implication being he meant "like me") won't make the new era". And then a few minutes later he takes the first chance he can to run away and start planning how to bring about a new era. Which should tell you how much he values his word to Kamille.

>>15090233

> You only forgot the part where they talk about their sensitive but manly feeling in a tough manly way

I hope you don't mean the part where they drink together before Char says he feels like a sacrifice for having to give up his freedom, because (a) I did actually reference it, (b) Char took the first opportunity to run away from leading the A.E.U.G, a group dedicated to getting people off Earth and (c) he then spent several years politicing and building an armed force to do the exact same thing with hints that he'd have been in charge for years more if things went as hoped - so he was hardly trying to use Neo Zeon as a "quicker" method, just a different one.

> It's great to know you have friends that will always love you and support you

Considering how Char treated his friend Garma they're probably just as well off being suspicious of him. That aside though, they were right. Not only that, but Char never actually knew they questioned his motives so their attitude isn't to blame for his actions.

>>15090248

That he wants Gyunei to feel Char is letting him in on a secret and get Gyunei on his side. He's only set up to look conspiratorial when talking about what he does value though, not when talking about Quess. When talking about her the camera is angled to make their dialogue look normal, and Char sounds fairly bored if anything.

>>15098839

>>15091529

> I think most normal people emote normally in most situations

A lot of people don't actually emote much outside moments they consider emotional, and don't even laugh much. They're in the minority these days, but it's not like people who do are a rarity.

> he just sits there in his cockpit crying for his dead lover

He doesn't though. He doesn't cry at all until after talking venting his frustrations, and only a handful of tears.

> he is obviously frustrated because...he lost a fight

That's what his words and actions imply to me yes. The fact he mentions the fight first, barely emotes for one scene, is in a regular discussion again next time we see him, and doesn't even say much about her death in his big fight with Amuro. He mostly seems to think it's a good thing he brought her to the war regardless of her death. Take not, I'm not saying he felt nothing for her dying, only that he seemed to view her more as someone he could use and only grieve for her through that lens, rather than as someone who lost a lover.

> it's almost like he cares about Amuro or something

Amuro is one of the few people he's known long term by that point, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he has some connection to him no. He even says during the film that Amuro is one of the two things he cares about.

> You mean the part where he didn't care about getting his ass kicked

Immediately after Amuro catches his cockpit and the duel is over he starts laughing about how he's won regardless, taking comfort that he one upped Amuro in some way. During the fight though, he's quite shouty and emotive, and obviously cares about it.

> worried when the Federation soldiers tried to succeed

He seemed more interested in the newtype light of the psycoframe and how it feels than what the soldiers were doing really.

> It's almost like he wants the operation to succeed.

I don't recall saying he didn't.