Fucking mobile suits get of my fucking board! REEEEEEE!

Weak beams, it bounced off Chad's Shiden and it didn't even do any visible damage to the surrounding rock the Mobile Armor's natural prey.

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a classic

>>15033293
a shit

>>15033293
shit it is basically a Bird Zam isnt it

>>15033290
weak beams cant break stone walls?

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>>15033290
Yet it nuked a whole town and carved a bigass gorge through the earth on first activation? Don't be a dipshit.

>>15033293
Alien chicken

>>15033334
>It blows up rock
>and carved a bigass gorge
Find me a screen of the aftermath of that, what I saw was it blows a hole in the rock, the rock collapses on itself and kicks up a lot of dust. Carving a "bigass gorge" is more like what Virtue does in the Taklamakan Desert.

>>15033334
How'd it set a town on fire but not burn away the nano-laminate? If the beam is imparting heat to its targets, and nano-laminate is vulnerable to high heat, it should have penetrated after half a minute of continuous fire.

>>15033334
>town continues to burn for no reason even though it's 90% metal

There must have been fuel silos which would explain the "nuking"

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>>15033289
I'm not a fan of MAs. Their effectiveness in combat is questionable because of their tendency to being the biggest high-priority target on the battlefield which leads to a short lifespan. Whereever they are, they're usually in middle of the hottest area of fire. I think only the Shamblo was the only MA in all of Gundam to ever survive its first deployment before getting destroyed in the next one. Those are not very good odds.

>>15033829
In IBO cannon tho MAs came before mobile suits AND were the first things to get nano-laminate armor and be almost immune to conventional weaponry,it didnt even notice Gusion rebake whatever's battleship sized cannons.

Plus IBO MAs are all mobile factories that can create infinite tanks that can repair the main unit, as well as being AI killing machines devoted solely to the destruction of humans in the most efficient way possible.

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>>15033332
>shit it is basically a Bird Zam isnt it
AND THE BIRD ZAM WAS MASS PRODUCED!

>>15033829
>Their effectiveness in combat is questionable because of their tendency to being the biggest high-priority target on the battlefield which leads to a short lifespan.
Unless you are MASS PRODUCED!

>>15034680

Balls are apparently classed as mobile pods or worker pods and not mobile armors.

Which one looks like they heavily modified the Sazabi into a dragon with arms on its fore-legs?

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>>15034692
I always found that really weird because in SEED they would most likely be classified as mobile armors. That being said, pic related is best MA

>>15033670
Because the beam, even with its assumed temperature, still has to convert its kinetic energy from particles into heat somehow, and that's the thing that nanolaminate negates, dipshit

>>15033829
>I think only the Shamblo was the only MA in all of Gundam to ever survive its first deployment
Are we counting Mobius Zero?
Also I'm pretty sure Val Walo had to sortie at least twice.

>>15033290
>Weak beams
weak meme

>>15034742
>Val Walo had to sortie at least twice
Shot down both times.
Lefty didn't just rewire it for one-hand operation, it had to be repaired.

Agrissa, on the other hand, was supposedly a highly effective weapon until it met the Gundam Thrones. Also technically both Psyco Gundams were MA and made multiple deployments before being destroyed.

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>>15034703
Technically, that's true. The Moebius Zero is classified as an MA. It's traits are more akin to a fighter/cruiser, though, as it lacks certain features often seen on an MA (namely articulated limbs). Although there is precedent for this in Lalah's Elmeth, it's rather abnormal and they're really "MA" in name only.

>>15035081
I don't think any definition of MA strictly requires limbs. Out of the 7 mobile armors shown in the original series, 3 don't have limbs.

>>15033334
Wasn't it stated in its manual that its beams are weak and are meant mainly for killing humans as oppose to destroying mobile suits?

>>15033410
WE SATAN GOTH NOW.

>>15035134
What manual are you referring to?

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>>15035138

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>>15035127
>3 don't have limbs.

Memory is not so good. Help me out here: Elmeth, Braw Bro,... What's the third?

>>15035380
adzam?

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>>15035395
Hm... I guess that's right. The legs are more like landing gear than mobility or grappling during combat.

>>15035491
They're not limbs, period. They're more like struts with supports built in.

>>15035491
always thought adzam looked like slime from DQ

>>15033670
Cause the nano-laminate IS anti-beam coating.

>>15033293
Oh hey Big Zam

>>15035685
Fuck GG, they could at least google the thing they're looking at.

Can someone fill me in about this?

Sometimes, when an MS transform into another mode, they label it as "MA Mode". I know some has different name when transforming like Zeta Gundam -> Wave Rider. But i know some transformable unit like Hamrabbi or Asshimar is called MA mode when transformed.

Does it really stand for Mobile Armor or it has other meaning? Because the most established term of Mobile Armor is humongous unit that is bigger than your average MS

>>15035380
Also, the Apsalus from 08th originally had no limbs as well.

>>15035692
Since I'm somewhat of a SEEDfag I've always considered "Mobile Armor" to refer to any piloted mobile weapons platform that ISN'T an MS. In the CE world "Mobile Armor" usually referred to space fighters and stuff that would be improper to refer as fighter jets or fighter planes because they look nothing like them (take the moebius series of vehicles for instance). But there are other MAs like that one Colloid-Field generating floating tanky thing that they use in SEED Destiny, which fall more in line with the "traditional" sense of Mobile Armors.

That being said I guess the debate when you take the definition of MA to where I take it is, are tanks mobile armors?!??!?! And if not, what is it that separates them? Personally, I see a distinction between a tank and a Moebius Zero as far as what is and isn't a mobile armor, but I can't really put my finger on a hard definition.

>>15035138
>>15035134

But this doesn't state that the beam is a low-output beam, it only states that it wasn't intended for MS/MA combat since beams vs nanolaminate armor is trash. A powerful beam is still going to be a lot more effective at mass destruction and the genocide of humans than a "weak" beam, so why wouldn't they put on a big beam 4 u?

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>>15033290
Are bullets weak if bullet proof vests stops them or ricochet off a metal armor?

>>15035692
I see those as something that can't be classed as am MS but is a platform or a unit that can use MS weapon technology and have some sort of MS mechanics in it.

>>15035883

The wikia says they have their own classification as transformable mobile weapons. Don't know if that's the way Sunrise/Bandai look at it, but it's what the wikia says at least.

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>>15035811
Apsalus I and II were just test mules for testing out different components. The first one tested the hover system while the second tested the beam cannon. Final version did have limbs, though.

>>15035692
What you're missing is that it's MA /mode/. One of the big difference between MS and MA is that the latter tends to be faster due to being able to pile on thrusters for higher acceleration. When a MS transforms, it's not turning into a full on Mobile Armor, it's just orienting all its thrusters in one direction so it can reach the acceleration of a Mobile Armor.

>>15035912
What was the point of the legs when it could hover? Especially stupid spindly ones?

And why the balls?

>>15035921
I can't tell you why the legs are for. Stabilizers? Grounding?
But I can tell you what the balls are, they are the extra 2 Dom reactors they installed in the final version.

>>15035692
Don't read too much into it. Yes, it means "mobile armor," but you have to remember that just about any non-humanoid weapon platform in Gundam is an MA considering how loose the typing seems to be. In UC, Mobile armor is derived from ARMOUR which is some kind of nonsensical acronym in that timeline (same with mobile SUITs) and many of the MA we see in UC don't adhere to that description of the acronym anyway.

>>15035940

A lot of them aren't what you'd call "mobile" either.

>>15033290
Nanolaminate armor, son.

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>>15035921
>>15035926

The fluff says that balls are the hover system and that it uses 3 Dom reactors for power. The legs are so that it can hold position while firing the laser presumably so that it doesn't float away.

>>15035953
Drat, I was close.

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>>15035945
Yes and no. It's something of a misnomer and then again it isn't. Rumour has it that the name comes from Hienlien's "Starship Troopers" book in which it describes a mobile infantry and their Marauder powered combat suits. The mecha genre itself insinuates that mech is mobile meaning that it can move around relatively freely. Patlabor also uses the word in their title.

>>15035902
I based this on GGen classification, and I don't know if there is such a thing as mobile weapons. It's either MS or MA.

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>>15035685
>Big
Not anymore.

>>15036264
>"Look, we had to save cost SOMEWHERE for MASS PRODUCTION!"

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>>15033290
FUCKING CHAD STOPPING MY BEAMS!!!REEEEE!!!!!

>>15035867
Yes, if you're shooting anything weaker than .308 or 10mm you might as well be using .22lr

>>15035867
Yes.

>>15036264
Those ones are plastic toy as same as real life one.
Just scanned to some virtual world.

>>15033290
The ricochet was enough to anihilate a small town so I don't think beam strength is the issue here.

I'm guessing that nano-laminate armor was designed to defeat beam weapons.

>>15033725
The level of destruction is still pretty damn impressive considering the entire town was completely wiped out. I mean, most gas stations keep their fuel in underground tanks and even then you'd need a fuel-air explosion to level a town with it.

>>15039028
Wasn't it really a farm so there could have just been fertilizer everywhere and if they converted it there biofuel everywhere.

>>15039040
Ammonium nitrate alone isn't explosive, you'd need to mix it with other things like fuel oil or aluminum. The beam weapon would need to blast the fertilizer into the fuel tanks in order to produce that kind of explosion. I could buy a beam weapon blasting open the fuel tanks but to mix the ammonium nitrate with the right compounds to form explosives? No, that's too much even for fiction.

>>15039057
I though it was still quite flammable. I was referring to the farm burning not so much an explosion. I would attribute that to bio fuel creation if there was any.

Its just that everything there was probably flammable and exposed to extreme heat.

I was assuming everything caught fire and the people melted.

>>15039078
THAT I can agree with. Between all the organic waste from the crops, fuel in the vehicles, possibly even shoddy building materials, and plausibly even the fats inside the victims' bodies could all catch fire with sufficient heat. Mind, that's a massive amount of heat but it's not impossible.

>>15039110
>even the fats inside the victims' bodies could all catch fire

The human body is actually really hard to set on fire and keep burning without some outside agent like gasoline or a sustained flame. Its why viking funeral pires were piled up so high and they need to use high heat incinerators at crematoriums. The bodies being caught in the flames really wouldn't have added much to the fire.

>>15039129
True, the body is mostly water and water tends to heatsink the body. However, body fat is perfectly flamable and if you can boil the water out of the human body it'll burn quite well. They actually used this trick with pigs to take down castle walls in the middle ages.

Granted, the whole boiling the water out of the human body isn't as easy as I make it out to be but we're talking beam weapons here.

>>15035204
Who the fuck designed the MAs? Was it just some faction that designed them and accidentally made them go rogue?

>>15039324
Based on how hard they got shafted by everyone post-war it was probably Mars.

>>15039324
I could easily see myself building one just to see if I could but I'm not the picture of mental health and don't have that kind of money to burn.

More likely, the faction(s) that made the mobile armors were destroyed and nobody has the shutdown codes for them anymore.

Strategically, Mobile Armors make a lot of sense. Self maintaining and with unlimited energy due to Ahab reactors a mobile armor is completely independent from supply lines and upkeep costs. You don't even need to feed the pilot. Just build one and bury it until you need it.

So on paper a Mobile Armor seems like a good idea. You pay for them once and never need to pay for them again. Some politician probably okay'd the project without actually reading the proposal.

>>15039324
I like the theory that Agnika Kiaru or whover, Gjallahorn's founder, created them as an enemy to unify mankind against so he could just do fucking whatever.

Main evidence is the same symbols on Barbatos/othe gundam frames and the MA buried on mars.

ALSO would be a nice alternate take on Celestial Being.

>>15039352
They were also designed to cause mass casualties. So it was made by someone who wanted to turn them loose behind enemy lines and sit back and watch as it went around shrecking their civilian population. The fact that it was just a machine with no human pilot meant it would never question the morality of its mass slaughter protocols.

>>15035692
MA is all mobile unit that doesn't have the same principle design as MS (Humanoid, mostly), thats why Balls are also classified as MA and Guntank was considered inbetween or so.

>>15039765
Ball was classified as a Mobile Pod, not a Mobile Armor.

>>15039669
Where is the symbol on the MA?

>>15039110
It's not like they needed to catch fire for it to get them when they are caught in a giant bonfire

>>15033290
Ahab reactors probably generate something similar to an I-Field which would be why all the weapons in the setting are kinetic

>>15039669
>I like the theory that Agnika Kiaru or whover, Gjallahorn's founder, created them as an enemy to unify mankind against so he could just do fucking whatever.

Seven stars end up being the ones who betrayed him and just hid it for the greater good and they just said it was because they were the best pilots

>>15039961
Unlikely. We see the beams hit the armor and even mark the armor so it's most likely something to do with nano-laminate armor.

Not all that unusual. We've seen anti-beam coatings in late UC.

>>15039965
So...the plot of SAO first season?

>>15039669
>I like the theory that Agnika Kiaru or whover, Gjallahorn's founder, created them

That's not too farfetched considering Gjallarhorn is a confederacy of people from each of the warring nations/blocs during the Calamity War.

>>15039986
According to the lore Neo-Laminate armor only gains it's abilities when being hooked up to an Ahab reactor. So its doesn't work like anti-beam coating OR I-fields, its more like how in 00 season 1 the gundams had those cables on them that pumped GN particles into the armor to make it all invulnerable.

>>15040954
That has fuck-all to do with the "ahab fields" that some people seem keen in trying to bring up

>>15039781
Well shit
Need to retrain my canon-fu then...

>>15039285
Destroy Gundam was just cheating.

that thing is a Psyco and a Big Zam in one package piloted by someone 10x as crazy

>>15040531
Never watched it.

>>15040961
Ahab fields act like minovsky particles in terms of jamming radios but other than that they don't seem to do anything.

Hell, they don't even jam communications that well as everybody and their mother has LCS

>>15041593
Ahab reactors also generate a small gravity field. Its why ships have gravity on them.

>>15039324
It's the Skynet of the IBO universe.

Automated weapons gone wrong and drilled humanity's bum causing 2/3 of the population to die.

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>>15033289
Did someone said... MOBILE ARMORS!?

>>15041622
Note that they don't need to generate the artificial gravity. We see the Isaribi actually turn it off now and then.

On the other hand, the radio jamming from an Ahab reactor can't be turned of. This is actually a plot point at the end of S1 as they can't take mobile suits into the city because of the economic distruption. Later, they do it anyway but only because Ghjallerhorn does it first.

But I digress. The Ahab fields are clearly independent from the artificial gravity. The artificial gravity might need an Ahab reactor to work but it's not the same thing.

>>15033725
>Beam cannon melt steel beams

>>15041683
The Ahab reactors continue to produce artificial gravity after their ships are destroyed.

>>15039740
Well, yeah, but what exactly do you stand to gain from weapons nobody can control anymore.

I mean, sure, Agnika might have made them to scare the world into giving him power but if that's the case why were there so many loses among the Gundam Frames? If Agnika made them he could just bury failsafes to kill them instantly or just be easier to kill.

Man, now I really want an IBO prequel set during the calamity war. If only to explain what the hell happened.

>>15035204
> fuckhuge beam
> to kill humans
wat

>>15041707
>Well, yeah, but what exactly do you stand to gain from weapons nobody can control anymore.
>I mean, sure, Agnika might have made them to scare the world into giving him power but if that's the case why were there so many loses among the Gundam Frames? If Agnika made them he could just bury failsafes to kill them instantly or just be easier to kill.
I have a feeling their ARE failsafes, probably biometric identification based, but Agnika wasn't the one who made them...

>>15041756
>huge beam
>smaller than the chest of a Shiden

>>15041786
Right. So I'm guessing that MAs were used by multiple sides and all the people that could shut them down died to their enemy's mobile armor.

And with nobody to tell them to stop the mobile armors just wandered around killing people.

>>15041756
Arguably, you could use beam weapons to destroy cities, fortified bunkers, evacuating airliners and buses, virtually anything that doesn't have nano-laminate armor really. You could probably sweep the beam to exterminate crowds.

>>15041593
To be fair, Minovsky jamming has never been consistent in UC. Whether or not communications are jammed is totally a deus ex machina for story purposes.

You know, initially I was rather accepting of the fact that this thing's beam just washed around Ride's Shiden like a rock in a stream, probably because of the mood of the scene and the fact that MSes were made to counteract MAs.

But seeing Chad such taking a beam to the face and the only thing he can say is 'Man, that's hot!' really diminishes Hashmal's sense of threat.

>>15041682
That head looks ridiculous.

>>15042074
The beam may not do much to an MS, but it's still got the gun-feet and it's sword-tail. Those things tore Bruford, Tarkus, and Monkey apart pretty damn quick.

Plus it's still VERY good at destroying everything without the coating. Carved a hole in the ground when it woke up, and set that whole farm on fire when the beam split.

>>15042074
The whole MA doesn't feel that threatening to MS.

Its army was defeated by a wall and while it seems to be great at close quarters it hasn't actually managed to kill anybody that way.

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>>15042123
>>15041682

>>15036264
it's a perspective thing. that big zam is a hundred miles away from the sazabi.

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>>15042181
Nuh-uh.

>>15041682
Who do you think will win?

1 Neo Zeong vs 5 Hashmals with countless Plumas?

1 Neo Zeong vs Gundam Barbatos?

>>15044839
>1 Neo Zeong vs 5 Hashmals with countless Plumas?
Neo Zeong uses Axis shock to make Hashmals explode, resulting in the deactivation of all Plumas. Neo Zeong wins

>1 Neo Zeong vs Gundam Barbatos?
Neo Zeong holds down Barbie and uses mind control tentacles to rape Barbatos. Sinanju gets out to personally pull Barbie's waist apart. Neo Zeong wins.

>>15044839
Neo Zeong can literally take on
>5 Hashmals with countless Plumas
and
>Barbatos

at the same time with one finger

>>15042056
From what I understand, mobile suits could choose whether or not to release minovsky particles and the effects were mostly felt at long ranges where the interference builds up.

>>15042168
They did say MSes are purpose built to kill MAs. We're going to have to see how tough Hashmal actually is.

Also, I get the feeling that the beam cannon was intended for sniping missiles and aircraft rather than mobile suits.

>>15044854
You need two psychoframes to make Axis Shock work.

Also, considering that Gundam Frames produce enough data to cripple the pilot I'm forced to question whether or not taking control of one is a good idea. Other than that, Barbatos is a good counter to Neo Zeong. It's beam weapons are mostly negated and there's no beam weapons to distrupt with the PsychoShard system.

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>>15044925
In the shows whenever the command was given to set up minovsky jamming, it was almost always ordered by a ship commander. Mobile suits generally don't the ability to perform minovsky jamming by themselves, except for maybe the V1/V2 Gundams which had the minvosky flight/drive systems (I think it was mentioned during one of the episodes that they were operating a V1 Gundam from a small civilian shuttle) and a non-canon manga Zaku that had a massive backpack.

>>15044944
The frames' AI was probably designed to kick into overdrive when it detected an MA and provide the pilot with additional spatial awareness/reflex enhancement/what have you.

Calamity War pilots were probably used to their gundums pumping out so much info constantly, while murder-manlet and Guts have a lower threshold.

>>15044944
Retard

>>15044935
I think it's for razing towns. Nanolaminate being that good against the beam actually worries me, as it nearly suggests that mobile suits were intended for and used in a 'clog their weapons with your corpses' manner until the Gundams showed up.

>>15044854
>>15044862
>implying Char or his Clone ever used any nutype magic worth mentioning
>>15044944
>connecting to Barbados turns Char into a vegetable.
Kek

>>15044944
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Fuck off and read about the psychofields and psychoshard before shitposting, dumbfuck.

>>15044964
The murderlets have AV implants that are practically krokodil compared to the pure opioid that was the original tech. They literally can't handle it because of garbage backwater augs. Mika got it three times so it fucks him less but it's still maiming him.

It's also implied that Gundam AV systems were almost Graze Ein level of pilot integration.

>>15044979
Bastard AV seems to have perks though.

Barbatos taught Mika how to use a sword and there's a good chance Mika consciously atleast loosened the governor on the AV.
I get Ein went from useless to ninja in a second but his arms and legs were literally replaced by his ms.

>>15044964
I agree with this. Remember that Mika usually runs at a level that would KO a normal person and Barbatoes can cripple him if he's not careful. Since Neo Zeong is definitely a Mobile Armor it could trip Barbatos's "awakened" state and somebody like Full Frontal who has never even used an AV system before could very well be killed by linking with Barbatos.

>>15044976
>>15044969
Now you say this but you don't give reasonings. Are you even trying to troll?

>>15044988
Shit like that probably isn't even special when using calamity war AV implants. They probably routed comms through them, too.

>>15044990
Fuck off shitposter.

>>15044979
Either that or the Gundam Frames are even more special than we thought.

>>15045006
So why am I the shitposter? How do You know you're not a shitposter?

Really, you saw somebody that had a differen't opinion than your own and rather than talking about it you hurled insults. How immature.

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funfact: Bound Doc's crab mode is listed as a mobile armor

>>15044979
Yeah I assumed it was either close to what Ein had, or something less physically devastating in terms of limb loss but still fairly invasive.

One of the nice things that came out of this sudden Calamity War hubub is that it retroactively explains why the Graze Ein was made so quickly. . They probably just searched for some medical procedure back from the Calamity Wars days and retooled it to fit the Graze.

>>15044988
IMO the sword thing was basically Barbatos running a shitload of macros and feeding them to Mika- All whiile doing some weird cybernetic bullshit to enhance his reflexes at the cost of burning some neurons.

>>15044996
Yeah considering the attrition rate, it would have made sense if the frames could download tactical know how into the AV user's brain- Which is again what prolly happened with the manlets.

The sword.exe download thing could feasibly have happened with a normal AV user as well, but it probably would have been a gradual process- Basically information seeping into the pilot's brain overtime.

>>15045007
Considering the symbol on both Barbie and Hashmal, I wouldn't be surprised if the former is running more or less the same AI type, just with different paramaters- And a whole shitload of limiters.

God why did they have to breach this shit only in S2, and after a good heraping of POLITICS to boot? This is genuinely interesting.

>>15045120
>God why did they have to breach this shit only in S2, and after a good heraping of POLITICS to boot? This is genuinely interesting.

I can kinda understand why from a marketing perspective but it's still frustrating.

See, they wanted to move away from typical Gundam stereotypes and give something of a fresh start. No beam weapons, for example, and no pretty explosions. When people die they're crushed to death in the cockpit. Child soldiers are fundamentally damaged due to what they endure. High ideals such as honor and glory mean nothing in a fight to the death.

But God Dammit, the mysteries of the Calamity War pick at my brain like a popcorn shell between my teeth. Really want a prequel set during the Calamity War.

>>15045120
>Yeah considering the attrition rate, it would have made sense if the frames could download tactical know how into the AV user's brain- Which is again what prolly happened with the manlets.

While entirely plausible, I didn't get that sense from how it was shown in the anime. I had assumed that Mikazuki figured out how to use the sword mid battle because he was getting more sensory feedback from Barbatos. Like he was wielding it half numb most of the time and couldn't feel the diferences from one blow to the next.

>>15044944

> It's beam weapons are mostly negated and there's no beam weapons to distrupt with the PsychoShard system.

The psycoshard isn't just something that can be used to destroy beam weapons. That's the only thing the Neo Zeong uses it for in the anime, but that's not equivalent to saying it's the only thing it can be used for. The psycoshard is used to create a pseudo-psycofield, not destroy beam weapons. And Full Frontal used that psycofield to destroy all the Unicorn and Banshee's weapons, which if I recall happened by exploding all the psycoframe in the weapons. Regardless, because it can create a psycofield at will and there's no known limits to it's use, it's basically a wish machine.

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> The Psychofield is a "world" in which something a person pictures can be made to come true, and Frontal's desire to take away his opponent's ability to fight resulted in their weapons being destroyed
> The Neo Zeong uses its psychoshard to create a pseudo psychofield, and thus make the Axis Shock replicable by artificial means.

>>15045337
A pseudo psychofield isn't a real psychofield. Otherwise the I-fields would have been irrelevant.

Sure, you can claim it can do other things but that leaves the question of why Full Frontal decided to only disarm Banager rather than disable him. Yes, you can claim that Unicorn's psychoframe protected it but if that's the case, why didn't the psychoframe defend the weapons as well?

No, Occam's Razor applies and the simplest answer is that the Psychoshard system is limited and could only disable the minovsky based weaponry.

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>>15045372

>>15045377

Oscar's razor would say that he was short sighted and/or over confident in the abilities of the Neo Zeong and thought taking away their weapons would subdue them on its own. And also that "the picture in your mind" isn't something you have explicit control over and he may not have had a choice between "remove their weapons" and "disable their suit", only felt more strongly about the former. Concluding that removing weapons is all it can do is pretty asinine.

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>>15033289
Can the Barbatos do this?

3+1 angled thrusts on both legs
6 in the upper back
2 on each side of the waist
2 on each shoulder

>>15045433
That only raises more questions. such as why didn't Full Frontal try using the PsychoShard system again once it was clear that just destroying the beam weapons wasn't working?

The way the Unicorn's weapons were destroyed also hints on how the PsychoShard system works. Note that they heated up and then exploded from within rather than being telekinetically shoved like other things being destroyed by a psychofield. This implies a change of conditions that prevent e-cap technology from working. Similar technologies like the reactors and thrusters were unaffected even if disabling them would have disabled the Unicorn and Banshee even more.

Finally, if the Psycho Shard system was so finicky that Full Frontal could only disable the E-Caps in his enemies, why should it work on Barbatos? Especially since Barbatoes runs on a reactor that nobody understands and carries no beam weapons.

>>15045337
Though that raises another question: how did Full Frontal's leftovers of Char's leftovers of Haman's leftovers of the OYW leftovers manage to study the psycoframe well enough that they were able to invent a wishing machine in three years?

If I recall correctly, in the novels it's actually even dumber because Full Frontal doesn't need the Neo Zeong, he can just create an Axis Shock whenever he wants.