>lacks beamspam >no haysoos yamato character >interesting

>>15023411
>IBO
>interesting plot
pick one. Also
>Boring characters without development
>QUALITY everywhere
>Battles lack tension since Mika could probably solo everything.

The setting is fucking neat, I'd give it that.
Pretty good mech designs as well.

>>15023411

Only one of those things is true.

>>15023411
I like beams. And the setting might have been interesting if it took place during the Calamity War, but as is it's boring as fuck.

S2 is a little better but it still has bad pacing with episodes that feel like nothing happened, even the last episode felt like a big setup to next episode that will probably resolve everything in the first 3 minutes

Kudelia makes me hord so I like IBO.

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>>15023423
Possibly, but he doesn't. If you look at S1, he averaged about 1.5 outright kills per battle, and the majority of those were where he got the drop on the pilot somehow. A number of those near the end he was stuck fighting Gaelio while Akihiro and Shino (and even McGillis) took out grunts. Course that's not counting all the times he winged some random Graze in the shoulder and then it just disappeared.

>>15023411
because of every reason you said except none of that is good

>>15023598

Also the arcs are way to isolated? Remember earth? Well they sort of ditched everyone involved in that arc...So what was the purpose of the arc? It didn't really up the stakes and build towards the climax, it didn't develop any of the characters present right now in the show and it didn't even really show us anything we didn't already know or which we couldn't reasonably deduct anyway.

It's like they are passing around a ball between scrip writers.

>>15024263
omg, post moar plz

>>15024263
i want to fuck that Kudelia SUGOI OPPAI SAMA

>>15023411
It's not by Grand Master Tomino, thus lacking the autistic spice that differentiates Gundam from any run of the mill mecha.

They had a good idea by adding Okada, who's an arm-flailingly retarded writer in her own right, but they didn't let her cut loose and saddled her with Nagai as a director, which can kill almost any property.

>>15023423
>>15023423
still better than g-reco in sales, plot, designs, and everything else

>>15024457

>Post doesn't mention Greco
>Brings up Greco to refute the point

???

>>15023411
>he doesn't like beams
Why do you watch Gundam again?

>>15024457
Sup Valvager Lite.

>>15023411
>lacks beamspam
Makes up for it in extremely badly animated one-hit clubing, uninteresting fight choregraphy
>no haysoo yamato character
Instead we have Kudelia whose like Marina except several times worse, hogs spotlight with Mikazuki and Orga, and flip-flops every episode from the Dorts arc while being useless.
>interest setting
Granted
>plot
No. The show literally spends 2/3rds of itself trying to flesh out characters which never resolves into doing anything, long swathes of the series have little to no action, world building is done almost exclusively through exposition as characters act more like plot devices for the story then real dynamic entities or personalities at all.
>add more mechs
Its mech designs are on the generic side.

>why do we hate Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans
Because its not well animated, full of QUALITY, largely uninteresting characters and MS designs, bad fights until recently in season 2, and neither protagonists or antagonists are particularly unique or interesting in a way that can allow a viewer to set aside the shows flaw to enjoy it?

>>15024525
I have to agree with this. I don't feel quite as strongly in that I wouldn't say I hate it, but all of the reasons mentioned are reasons I share for saying that I don't really care for it. Except I'm a little bit more fond of the mech designs. A soft spot has grown in me for the 'gangly' (and sometimes/mildly thrown together) look of many of the suits, especially side story designs like Astaroth and Vual.

>>15023411

BECAUSE THE EXECUTION OF EVERYTHING LISTED UP THERE BLOWS

SHOWS ARE NOT MERE CHECKLISTS
Did that answer your question?

>>15023411
it will destroy the legacy of gundam if left unchecked, that's why

>>15023411
>lacks beamspam
Considering I've seen people call any scene that has more then 1 beam "beamspam", this point has no value
>No haysoos yamato
Instead we have KUDERIA SUGOI and an unbeatable autist
>Interesting setting
sure
>and plot
not really
>Gradually adding more mech
What mecha anime DOESN'T add more mechs as it goes along? Plus it's easy to do with the frame gimmick that IBO has, since (especially with the Graze frame) they can make a new unit with minimal changes and it count as new. Though the Rodi & Teiwaz frames do have decent variety.

>>15024565
Gundam has no legacy. SEED and 00 both happened. Deal with it.

>>15024457
> still better than g-reco
Not much to brag about, tbqh. The bar couldn't be any lower.

>>15024560
This. It's one thing to have good or interesting ideas, but it's a whole other matter pulling them off. Having a protagonist who may like killing and who is codependent on Orga is an interesting idea, but the show is just reluctant (almost afraid really) to do anything with those. Instead it tries to avoid dealing with it through various means.

>>15024572
>Considering I've seen people call any scene that has more then 1 beam "beamspam", this point has no value

>one unit with beam
>used it twice
>beam spam

>>15024574
No, they contributed to the legacy

>>15024665
>Having a protagonist who may like killing and who is codependent on Orga is an interesting idea
The depth of Mika's whole relationship with Orga is a 20s flashback where he says "I'll follow your orders until we get to the promised land" repeated every time the show needs to pretend anything exists between them.

>>15024670

Care to expand on what this 'legacy' is?

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>>15024665

>Instead it tries to avoid dealing with it through various means.

Such as making half of first part of s2 about their earth branch with none of the main characters involved.

Seriously what was that about? I was expecting the conflict on earth to actually go somewhere, but now it's pretty clear that the whole thing was literally filler (no I'm not the guy that was whining about "filler episodes" while it was airing. Though its ironic that his (you) farming was true). Everyone involved in the arc was either unconscious, not present before the climax (and thus not actually involved in the arc story), dead or retired.

>>15024413
>it didn't develop any of the characters present right now in the show
one relevant character deciding to just leave is a pretty big deal, also CHAD CHADMAN, Guts and Julieta got a bit of development

>>15024848

Yes, and if it would have been an isolated OVA it would have been fine. But it's part of a main series, so I have to ask
>Did anyone of the main cast (Mika, Orga, Kudelia, McGillis) have a significant burst of character development from the arc?
>Did the arc reveal significant information about the setting and/or set the stakes for what is to follow?

McGillis status within Gjallarhorn didn't improve or worsen from the arc. None of the major characters learned any valuable life lessons (Guts reminded us that he is in fact a former slave and that he feels bad for other slaves. We knew that already). Kudelia rejected the old man's offer. Minor character quit tekkadan (and as such he was written out from somehow influencing Orga by his presence and experiences). Minor character Aston died (two persons mourned him. One person used this as a moment to remind the viewers that he too was a slave once). The political landscape between Arbrau, SAU and Gjallarhorn did not change. McGillis' offer of kingship of Mars to Orga wasn't really tied to the arc and could have happened without it. Speaking of Orga, he didn't seem to have learned any valuable life lessons from the fiasco.

CHAD CHADMAN is the most significant thing of note to come out of the arc, WHICH IS PRETTY IRONIC considering he was unconscious through most of it.

>>15023411
>lacks beamspam
automatically a bad anime

>>15024888
TRIGGERED

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>>15024818
>Such as making half of first part of s2 about their earth branch with none of the main characters involved

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>>15024880
>CHAD CHADMAN is the most significant thing of note to come out of the arc, WHICH IS PRETTY IRONIC considering he was unconscious through most of it

The miracle of Okada.

>>15023411
>that image
There is literally nothing than a healthy body in a stylishly posh outfit. Slut clothes can't compare.

>>15024565
We need to lock crooked Kudelia away. She will ruin Gundam for all of us. Just hand it over to the Chryse immigrants!

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>>15025022
>chad
>main character
if you would have posted Takaki I'd agree but chad was that one dude that was there on the bridge through most of s1 and was in a coma for the entire earth branch arc. as of now the only thing he has done is flip out about Merribet and Old black dude dating.

>>15025033
It was a joke about how this arc gave us CHAD CHADMAN, like in utterly irrelevant shit no one cares about.

Only good thing to come out of IBO is the Rodi frame.

Will I get all those amazing Rodi frame kits? Nope, Bandai is too busy making graze and barbatos variants instead.

>tfw we'll never see a Landman or Garm Rodi kit.

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>>15025060
>Only good thing to come out of IBO is the Rodi frame.
woah there anon don't say things that you can't take back

>>15024880
Well, Tekkadan does close up its earth branch and regroups itself on on Mars.
The arc kinda serves as a sign of worse things to come due to the fact that Orga was overreaching here and had a mayor set back. But he still won't come off his idea of grabbing as much power as he can and as fast as possible.
It seems like a lot of the other characters see the writing on the wall, but apart from Takagi their sense of loyalty overrides their common sense. Even he only explains in a roundabout way he's bailing.
So when Orga takes the deal with McGillis, the audience already has a bad taste in their mouths, thinking it will go sideways.
Also I'd like to point out that a lot of the dealings within the seven Stars seems to be about gaining favor and prestige. And while the whole affair didn't tarnish McGillis' reputation massively, it did seem to cool the room. Which does contrast with the way every council member except Iok seemed to kiss his ass.

And while I do think that they could have found a way to involve the main characters in this arc more, the show seems to care about the dealings of Tekkadan as a whole. The organization is much more of a character itself since every individual fate is tied to it and we can easily ascertain how a problem in one part of it will reflect back on the rest

>>15024818
The way I see it, the Earth Arc was a way for Tekkadan to lose a potential weak-point of their bid to become Kings of Mars.Think about it, the Earth branch is isolated from the rest of the organization, and be closer to both Gjallarhorn's main forces as well as any nation that would oppose this new direction in Planetary Management. Getting rid of the Earth Branch removes a liability for Tekkadan, as well as boosting the number of MS they have back on Mars. They lost but with what's to come they are stronger for it.

It seems kinda cheap to me though they got away scot free with it.
> Hey, Arbrau accelerated this war. As their military advisors, what gives?
> Well, see it was this one member of ours (from the mafia) and this other guy who caused this to happen.
> So, it was because of a member of Tekkadan and a guy who doesn't officially exist. Where is this member?
> Well, he's dead... we totally didn't execute him.

It's "let's provide weapons to the rebels in Kudelia's name and not use that to discredit her" all over again.

>>15025067
you summed it up nicely

>>15023411
There's a difference between liking something and not hating it as much as something I despise.

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This season so far has been a 7 out of 10 for me. It's kept up a lot better than the previous episode. I'm actually interested in the plot. They should have gotten to this arc earlier in the first season because the first season is kind of pointless. But I think because of this, it's getting rushed instead.

The should have made a series about the Calamity War because 100x more interesting than what they have going on right now.

>>15025067
>>15025068

The thing about stories though is that the story is all in the authors hands. You don't need a whole arc to write off an earth branch that didn't even need to exist. That's a waste of time and resources that could have been used to focus more intently on the core of the story.

The "key things" that happens in the earth arc didn't need to happen in the earth arc. They could have been shown in another way that didn't exclude the majority of the cast because they were stuck on a space boat.

90% of what happens in the arc is basically filler. Some of it is mecha porn, but the only character involved in the mecha porn that we're really familiar with is Takaki, and he wasn't even an established pilot. This is also a problem because it removes tension in the mecha porn (it's basically just a bunch of nameless grunts bashing each other).

Furthermore, there's also problems with how the arc is concluded. Does Takaki reach some sort of breaking point of his character where he finds resolve to climb out of the hole he dug himself into?...Nope. He gets bailed out by the guys on the boat, who because they are late entrants, have zero stake in the arc and are basically the eagles of Middle Earth (except they arrive early and grab the ring from Frodo and throw it down the volcano for him). Complete viewer blueballs.

The more I think about it, the more I start thinking this was actually the worst arc so far. The S1 arcs at least worked forwards on the plot and involved character development for Orga, Kudelia, Gaelio, Ein and Guts.

>>15025122

Oh and Biscuit. I almost forgot about him.

Also character reveals regarding McGillis.

So is the IBO dub any good?

I dropped the show back when S1 first aired but maybe if I can kepp it in the background and tune it out until something interesting happens I'd be able to get through it.

>>15025130
It's not terrible. I would say it's not as high-quality as Unicorn, Origin's, or Thunderbolt's dubs but far from the worst the franchise has seen.

>>15025130
its good, only voice I don't like is Orga's cause its just JYB doing his gruffy voice.

>>15025186
Thunderbolt was dubbed?

What rock have I been living under.

>>15025122
It helps thinking about IBO more in terms of a mob movie.The individual skirmishes at the beginning of the show weren't strongly connected but they did show that Tekkadan was gaining momentum and rising up within Taiwaz and the galaxy in general. Plus it set the stage for doing more dealings with McGillis.
As such Earth branch is like a big deal for the family that went south. And the implications for every member are clear. None of them had to be there for it to go down (although I agree, that they should have used the opportunity by having say Guts be there from the start).
However the point remains, that the time invested here was for the sake of showing how Tekkadan fails when it spreads itself thin how they (especially Orga) cope with a set back.
I think it is an important step in the story, although it's hard to tell before it's over.
In all honesty, I just don't see how this was such a big deal to you guys. We spent about 3-4 episodes on Earth focusing on some minor characters, but it's not like everyone else completely dropped out of the show at that time. We still spent time with Mika, Orga, Kudelia and especially McGillis here.

Also it could very well be that they set Takaki up as some kind of poignant moral of the story.
Kinda like "This is the point where everyone should have thrown the towel. But only he did, so the rest can eat shit while he has a moderately good life ahead of him."

>>15025202
it was actually a pretty good dub all things considered.

>>15025207
>the opportunity by having say Guts be there from the start
Guts wouldn't have fallen for Galan's fake persona. Takaki was really the only large-ish s1 character that could have worked in that arc believably. Since he was a semi-commanding character in s1 being the mother hen like character for the kids and sorta taking Biscuits job when he died

>>15025207
>This is the point where everyone should have thrown the towel.
I am curious to see what will happen to Tekkadan. will we actually see a great fall of them? cause imo takaki was in the right with wanting to bail on the King of Mars thing. tekkadan should fall hard but will the writers have the balls to kill/destroy of more than half the cast?

>>15025215

S1's finale is the answer to that, and the answer is no.

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>>15025217
then that means they pretty much wasted Takaki, Aston and the whole earth branch arc episodes with the build up to go no where

>>15025211
I guess.
Shino would have worked though. He's a dumb mofo. But he'd never quit either and he would have probably stopped taking beard man's orders after a while on account of him being an outsider.

>>15025130
They changed a lot of Mikazukis dialogue. He's more talkative and doesn't sound as bored as he did in the japanese ver. He also raises his voice more and says things like "YOU BITCH!!!".

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>>15025215
People seem hungry for a huge fall from grace but that seems a little ridiculous to me. Orga has never been ambitious for ambition's stake. He just wants his boys taken care of. Not even living in the lap of luxury, just not starving and not having to risk their lives constantly, which has been their traditional state of existence for almost their entire lives.

I think a more pertinent question is going to be whether or not Mika is a functional human being when all is said and done. Because he kind of isn't right now, and I'm not talking about the busted arm and arm. Could make for a good study of "What do you do with someone who literally only knows how to fight?"

>>15025250
>People seem hungry for a huge fall from grace but that seems a little ridiculous to me.
things that come up must come down. S2 so far has felt like build up to a heavy fall for Tekkadan. the Teiwaz infighting, anki saying he'll die for his honor of tekkadan, McGillis clearly using them, Rustal's interventions into McGillisxTekkadan affairs and so on. If there isnt a fall with all this one the line then what would be the point of all that build up?

>>15025250
>Orga has never been ambitious for ambition's stake. He just wants his boys taken care of.

Intentions are one thing, but the actions he and Tekkadan takes is another. In any other series those same actions would have been the protagonists crossing some form of line, if not ones taken by antagonists.

>>15025236
Okay, I may just rewatch the show with the dub because of that.

>>15025250
People innately route for the underdog if they arent band wagon jumpers

Tekadan has yet to be the underdogs in any situation, it would be nice to see them get some cum uppins

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>>15024888

>>15025257
>If there isnt a fall with all this one the line then what would be the point of all that build up?
What if it's to show Tekkadan succeeding despite being targeted by so many people with ulterior motives? The logic you're using is really only there to suit your personally favoured outcome. But it really all depends on what kind of choices Orga continues making. Hubris will be the sign of a downfall but so far Orga has never really shown any of that, only strong survive and come out on top.

>>15025690
>The logic you're using is really only there to suit your personally favoured outcome.
And your not doing the same thing? Being "King of Mars" isn't going to prevent them from having enemies or responsibilities they clearly can't handle. It's like a get rich quick scheme, and those hardly ever work out. Orga's biggest weakness is that he wants to get to his goal the quickest way possible, and once he follows a path, he goes straight ahead without looking back or thinking of diverging. That can't last him his entire life without coming back to bite him. What needs to be done is for him to look for ways outside of fighting. It'll definitely be slower, but there's less risk of everyone dying by the end. But hey, we wouldn't have a story either.

>>15025784
And there's more to a fall than hubris. A lot of times a fall is when a character's actions or flaws catch up to them and they suffer the consequences. Tekkadan have done a lot of questionable actions in pursuit of their own happiness, disregarding how they have affected others. After all, because of them things are worse in some ways. Besides, if they're putting their well-being above pretty much everyone else, is not hubris itself?

>>15023411
You can have the most interesting plot in the world, but no one will watch it if it progresses at half the speed it should be. It just couldn't stop diverting from the main plot, that "detour" just before they got to earth was the worst.

Also I can't think of any MSG shows that don't gradual add more mobile suits, they've always done that starting from 0079.

>>15025207
>in terms of a mob movie
Back in S1, I was expecting Biscuit's death to be sort of a Goodfellas situation but somehow, things still doesn't seem to be falling apart between Orga and Mika, but eh, we'll see.

>>15025841
>but no one will watch it
I'm watching it and loving it.
WHAT NOW, BITCHES?

>>15025867
You have our pity for your shit taste.

>>15025516
All you have to do is change the pink to yellow sparks and it becomes Every-ibo-fight-ever.gif. You don't see any other Gundam full of scenes that pulls the camera away as much as IBO fights which are full of QUALITY and plot-laminated armor.

>>15025861

I want to say we're getting to that point. Orga is jumping into more high risk/high reward situations that Biscuit would have tried to talk him out of. Takaki could have been the new Biscuit after what he experienced in the Earth arc, but he left once he saw the writing on the wall. There's no one really to keep Orga's feet on the ground while he's under Mika's influence.

It would be a nice setup for Tekkadan to fall. But I have doubts about this after last year's finale, a happy one at the directors insistence. If McGillis is going to betray them, it's going to be right at the end (and there will be people saying there has to be a season 3 so Tekkadan could have a happy ending). It could very well be that McGillis won't betray them, which some fans would love but would leave a rather bad taste in the mouths of others.

>>15025861
Mika is bothered by the deal with McGillis but he's not saying anything out of loyalty to Orga or because he simply does not know how to express his feelings.
>>15027729
McGillis not betraying them makes no sense based on what we know about his character.Some villains are better off as heroes but McGillis is NOT one of those characters...

>>15027740
>McGillis not betraying them makes no sense based on what we know about his character.Some villains are better off as heroes but McGillis is NOT one of those characters...

His whole belief is that people need to earn their positions in life. If Tekkadan are doing all this work to help him reform Gjallarhorn, he could very well end the series saying they've earned their new position. He does seem rather infatuated with Mika in particular, since it reminds him of AK's legend.

Or he could throw them under the bus, citing all the questionable stuff they've done while saying they hold no place in his new world. Cue rushed finale or season three hook.

>>15027756
I think he wants Mika not the rest of Tekkedan.

For all we know McGillis has twisted AK's philosophy to his own purposes.

>>15025456
>Tekadan has yet to be the underdogs in any situation, it would be nice to see them get some cum uppins
Tekkadan were underdogs for the entire first season. Even in the Brewers fight they were clearly outnumbered and won because of Mika's piloting skill and the ability to essentially catch them with their pants down by navigating the debris field using ship-based AV.

Hell, they've been underdogs in S2 as well. They were again outnumbered against the Horizon Dawn pirates and only beat them because Mika (first fight) and then the Arianhood fleet (second fight) showed up at the eleventh hour. Even in the earth branch part they were forced to resort to hit and run tactics with Galahorn.

>>15025963
Honestly, it's hard to really even call it plot armor at this point, it's just armor, period. IBO mechs in general just seem to be really freaking sturdy, don't blow up as often, and just take whatever punishment until they fall apart. Heck, of the pilot deaths that have been shown, almost all of them were from the poor sap being crushed or impaled directly, in or out of the cockpit.

>>15024457
>designs
Base G-self looks better than base Barbatos.
Irrefutable opinionated fact.

>>15027784
They never felt like the underdogs

>>15027797
They probably could have come closer to defeat a few times than what they did, but they've been the underdogs in pretty much all major fights they've been in.

>>15025456
>>15027784
One the one hand, I think people are exaggerating about Tekkadan just steamrolling shit because ffs they barely fought anything in the first place. But on the other hand, that itself is the problem - they were in infrequent fights that were often very small and even if narratively they were supposed to be at a real disadvantage, that was not conveyed well.

I mean holy shit, Arianrhod shows up at the end of the Dort arc and Isaribi has this fuck-massive fleet staring them down, but it lasts like 30 seconds before Kudelia saves the day and gets them a free pass. Which was her giving a speech, with an episode split in the middle. There was enver any tension there.

Or you have the Edmonton battle, and we just get a brief 'hospital' sequence of nameless characters, then a summation of "oh things are desperate and we've been fighting for three days", but all the focus is on individuals aren't really showing much sweat about it, with most all the fighting offscreen while we focus on people driving or anxiously sitting in Parliament.

>>15025250
>What do you do with someone who literally only knows how to fight?"
UPS

>>15027788
Graze can't take hits

>>15027800
Underdog was mainly in exposition the fights looked one sided

>>15028120
Mostly everything in IBO is an informed attribute. That's why when anything happens, it feels so lackluster and just going through the motions, because there's no buildup, or there's too much buildup (regarding death flags).

>>15023411
>>lacks beamspam
Yes, and?
>>no haysoos yamato character
There's more than one way to be a terrible protagonist.
>>interesting setting and plot
No and no.
>>gradually adding more mechs
Wow it's like Gundam is a toy franchise or something.

I'm pretty surprised there was no fallout with Teiwaz over their advisor literally betraying Tekkadan. Like, use it as a plot point for why the boss let's them run with Gjallahorn, or hint that the he was working for the other dude who clearly hates Tekkadan. Bring it up as Orga blaming them, or something at least.

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How to fix IBO
>Make it so Buscuit didn't die in S1
>No more "Waahh look at how hard life is" shit like we got in the first 6 episodes of IBO
>More meta shit of Mikazuki being fed up with the show's bullshit tropes just like we are
>Bring back more interaction between Mika and Orga (They've interacted maybe twice in the new season)
>Can the new Gjallahorn cast as they have the character of a wet noodle
>Remove Kudelia from the show entirely (although she has gotten better in S2, it's not enough to redeem her character)

>>15028157
Meant to say the first 6 episode of S2. The first few episodes of IBO S1 (orphan kids sticking it to the man) is how the show should have stayed.

>>15028157

>Make it so that Biscuit didn't die in S1
>Remove Julietta, Iok and Rusta

Congratulations, you've made Tekkadan seem even more untouchable than they already are and you've gotten rid of some of the only genuinely entertaining characters in this thing.

>>15028179
No one complained about this in any other series like 00.

>>15028180

...They absolutely did, if you're referring to things like the 00 Raiser which obliterated any tension that existed in any given scene that it was in.

>>15028180
>I didn't watch 00.

>>15028183
>>15028184
During its airing I don't remember any such vocal complaints about it, not to the extent that IBO gets. It could also be because by the time S2 started airing I had lost most of my interest in the series and just vaguely followed along in the threads.

>>15028157
How to fix IBO
>Scrap everything and everyone
>Animate the calamity war

>>15028196
You know, I actually agree with this one.

>>15028180
coughSeedDestinyCough

>>15028188
>I don't remember any such vocal complaints about it,

00 Raiser was fucking despised during its airing the hell are you talking about.

>no one posted more Kudelia
You gar.

>>15028225
For Archer?

>>15028157
How to fix IBO
> remove, like, half the Tekkadan cast
> make screentime split about evenly between Tekkadan and Ghallajorn
> have both sides win and lose some fights

>>15028157
I don't think you really have to change that much. Leave season one as it is (poor as it may be), but in season two start pointing out the consequences of Tekkadan's actions. Political instability, increased acts of terrorism, more children being enslaved than before. Tekkadan don't even have to be concerned about this stuff, just have it there across the season to make the audience question their actions.

While this happens start weeding out members. They can still fill it with no names, but also have even minor named Tekkadan recruits bite it, leave, or receive debiliating injuries. Play up getting new child soldier recruits as an iffy subject.

At the end of the series, Tekkadan can be the Kings of Mars. Difference is, the audience will be asking "was it worth it?" and whether Tekkadan are the good guys in all this.

>>15028495
> start pointing out the consequences of Tekkadan's actions

That's what they wanted to do for the original script in S1.

>>15028495
Hasn't most of that happened but just not been expanded on?

>>15028196

Calamity War honestly sounds pretty fantastic so far.

Really wish we got that show.

>>15028581
And that's exactly the problem.

>>15028619
Yeah. I'm still getting the same vibes that the show is enamored with Tekkadan and will treat them as the victims.

>>15028137
Its not just that.
What happens is the opposite of what is built up.

The fights are centered around Mika and Guts with a smattering of other named characters beating down grunts.

After a large buildup about how lopsided the odds are against them.

S1 Grazes didn't do shit and the last fight didn't really feel like they were exhausted days of fighting fresh enemies.
It was supposed to be some kind of crazed suicidal endeavor, but it was just more Mika and Guts. With a few mobile workers sometime.

S2 there was a large amount of time spent on how costly fighting the pirates was and no one died.

Not expecting an important person just random pilot #12 to bite it

>>15023411
It's boring and shoddily presented. I never felt compelled to lock in next week because nothing interesting was happening.

>>15028619
IBO reminds me of that chapter of Zetsubou sensei about leaving important events in the background and largely ignored while less important stuff gets the full focus.

>>15028495
>Political instability, increased acts of terrorism, more children being enslaved than before.
>>15028581
>Hasn't most of that happened but just not been expanded on?
Yeah, it's happening, it's just not being put to use yet.

>>15028731
IBO reminds me of how I would have made Gundam as a teenage weeb. Merc MC going out for revenge, upgrading his machines with parts salvaged from his enemies (who were using his father's PMC's Gundams which were stolen when they were betrayed and killed). Enemy would have been an evil corporation that controlled shipping to the colonies, and using their stolen Gundams to assert their new position as masters of space. MC also uses a metal blade to rip through his enemies, though I would have gone with something akin to the Assassin's Blade/Wolverine's claws.

I called it MSG Vengeance, after the protagonists Vengeance Gundam (upgrade would have been the Redemption, as the MC starts to fight for the sake of the colonies rather than avenging papa). As silly as I now realize this is, I still think it would have been better than IBO.