Whether you like like him or not, Katoki is objectively the best

I agree.

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I also agree

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You guys are cute. But the real answer is Okawara

>>15020019
>hackawara
>best anything
pick one and only one

>>15019613
>>15020002
>>15020212

>best designer
>posting recycled designs instead of his best original ones

Katokifags are the worst

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>>15019613
I'll concede you that point, OP.

Katoki is the best, but only because Kawamori does involve himself with Gundam as much.

I also really enjoy Katoki's designs. Not really much to offer to the discussion, but I'd love to see some more designers that other people like more.

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>Katoki is objectively the best Mobile Suit designer.

>>15019613
I like some of Okawara's designs, but he can't pose to save his life. Katoki can design and pose.

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>>15019613
>Katoki is objectively the best Mobile Suit designer.

Not even close. People just like him because he's the poster boy for the modern Universal Century aesthetic. And he redraws everyone's shit so some people can't tell the difference between what he designed vs what he redrew, and they assume those redraws are his designs.

Everyone working on Z, ZZ, and CCA is better than him. Nagano, Izubuchi, Kobayashi, Fujita, and various others had far more personality in their designs. Even Okawara, despite his ugly art, has a range of MS designs that are unmatched with how different they all are. Katoki is like Obari, most people know him for his redraws and reinterpretations of other's designs (hence the entire ver Ka line) instead his very few own designs. But Katoki's art doesn't have a fraction of the charm and personality of Obari's.

Katoki has also gotten stale and hasn't given us a single notable design in 10 years other than some Wing rehashes (that he won't reveal unless they're animated because he's a money grubbing asshole) and a shitton of redraws. Even Ippei Gyobou and Ebikawa have done better than him in recent years.

The worst part is that everything UC nowadays is being redrawn to look like the Katoki style, even if it isn't by Katoki itself. All of the designs for The Origin and Thunderbolt for example. All the diversity is gone. Fuck that boring shit.

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>>15020357
>Nagano

mah brother of african descent

Him and Syd Mead are my favorites. Too bad they had so few designs.

>>15020002
>>15020234

He draws the unsexiest, cankliest, duck-footed robot legs.

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>>15020357
>most people know him for his redraws and reinterpretations of other's designs (hence the entire ver Ka line) instead his very few own designs.

But I like him for his work on the OZ MS and on Victory gundam.

>>15020387
>Muh pose ability

>>15020402
>OZ MS

Most of them are just a variant of the same base design (The Leo).

I like Kobayashi's designs the most. Then Fujioka because Advance of Zeta.

Nagano's are alright, Fujita's too I quite like. Moriki designed the Messer, so he's in my list too.

>>15020387
t. okawaracuck

>>15020226
>Okawarafags are the worst
ftfy

I don't think anyone else has as many hits as he does with me.

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>>15020589

At least Okawarafags aren't stupid enough to mistake his re-draws of other MS as his own designs.

>>15020380
I hate how hard IBO is trying to crib his aesthetic without understanding the elements that made it work in the first place.

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Ebikawa a best

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>>15020357
This. Why didn't sunrise go for Izubuchi or someone with similar talent for modern UC stuff?

I'm a big fan of Katoki's older stuff like the GM Cannon 2 and GP02 but creativity-wise his best days are behind him

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>>15020357
damn, you really need to cut down on all that sodium

>>15020992
>GP02

That was Kawamori's. Yet another victim of Katoki redraw confusion.

>>15021005
fuck, really? I thought it looked a bit like Kawamori's aesthetic but the legs made me think it was Katoki. Makes sense

>>15021007
>fuck, really?

Yep. He also did the GP01 as well. Katoki did the GP03.

>>15020992
>This. Why didn't sunrise go for Izubuchi or someone with similar talent for modern UC stuff?

Because Izubuchi is not someone with experience in industrial design and engineering like Katoki. Katoki isn't special because he can design a robot, he's special because he was the reason the HGUC and MG line of kits exist, since he was in charge of turning the designs into forms that would work as Plamo. Izubuchi and everyone else's designs were just designs for animation, not meant for plastic models. Katoki was the bridge, and that's why you see him redraw everything.

Maybe if they got someone else with high level of draftsmanship skills like Nagano or Kawamori they could have taken over Katoki's place, but both of them are already busy with their own mecha franchises.

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>>15021007
>but the legs made me think it was Katoki

They're the most Kawamori-esque thing about the GP-02 tho.

>>15020357

If Sunrise decides to bank on an older, non-Gundam IP, like say Dougram, VOTOMS, and Dragonar, can Katoki do their designs justice?

>>15020841
AGE was when I started to dislike Ebikawa's designs. What the hell happened?

>>15020841
I like Ebikawa's 00 designs. They're far better than AGE.

>>15021083
He realized that he had to make designs for a toy company. He got a lot of shit from Bandai after the first season of 00 because his designs were too complex and different from the norm.

>>15019613
I wouldn't say "best" but he'd definitely be on a list of top 5 most "influential" designers.

>>15021105

lol, no. Katoki is nowhere near the same level of influence as Nagai, Okawara, Nagano, Kawamori or Miyatake. Watch some other series besides Gundam sometime.

>>15021132
He's responsible for the current aesthetic of modern Gundam. Ebikawa and Yanase and many others wouldn't exist without him. That's quite influential.

>>15020776
At least Katokifags don't go around prasing a shit artist

>>15021104
He got shit from Sunrise's animators bitching that his gundams were hard to draw and animate, not from Bandai complaining that they were difficult to put into model form.

>>15021338
>not from Bandai complaining that they were difficult to put into model form.
Wasn't that the intent of Imagawa, director of G-Gundam?
Then Bandai went and made gunpla of them anyway because they could. Bandai always wins.

>>15021348
>Then Bandai went and made gunpla of them anyway because they could. Bandai always wins.

Too bad they sold like shit.

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Zaku

>>15021364
Still their win
>but we were gone when Saigon fell

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>>15020357
>The worst part is that everything UC nowadays is being redrawn to look like the Katoki style, even if it isn't by Katoki itself. All of the designs for The Origin and Thunderbolt for example. All the diversity is gone. Fuck that boring shit.

>>15021021
>Maybe if they got someone else with high level of draftsmanship skills like Nagano or Kawamori they could have taken over Katoki's place

Bandai currently has BEE-CRAFT, Ebikawa, and NAOKI drafting the designs for the kits and toys. But none of them have their own brand name labels like Katoki.

>>15019613
THE BEST

>>15020357
>The worst part is that everything UC nowadays is being redrawn to look like the Katoki style, even if it isn't by Katoki itself. All of the designs for The Origin and Thunderbolt for example.

Katoki did all the designs for The Origin I believe.

>>15020436
Kobayashi and Nagano are god tier mecha designers, you are a true patrician unless the rest of this pleb thread.

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>Captcha: SUPER RIDGE
Sounds like a cool name for an MS.

>>15025762
Both Katoki and Okarawa are credited.

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The Delta Plus is everything I wanted the Hyaku-shiki to be, for so many years before Unicorn

THANK YOU, KATOKI-SAN!!!!!<3

>>15026005
Okawara is credited for the original MSG designs, but Katoki redrew them for The Origin.

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>it's a muh tube robots episode

>>15025977
Obari da bes

>>15025977
Don't joke like that, my grandpap got Katoki'd after spending years on the saddle.

>>15025977
That Okawara looks way better than his actual drawings.

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The other mechanical designers are great and better artists - that's a fact. Katoki will never top the variety that Okawara or Kawamori had with their designs.

However, when it comes to merchandising, no one comes close. This is where his mechanical designs really shine. Hell, even his manga and novel (re)designs were made into gunpla.

Man cant even make SRX look good.

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>>15019613
Aw yeah Jesta

>>15026028
I still have no idea why in 0096 they're still using Z-tier beam rifles for new-customized suits.

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>>15026942
Because they were that fucking good to begin with.

Also, Zeta rifles are cool as fucking looking. The best looking rifles in UC, imo.

>>15026790

Okawara ... Kawamori ... Variety ... Bitch please. After Gundam Okawara's designs have been more or less the same. And Kawamori's designs since Mac 7 has been that fucking awful lanky, thin and tall looking archetype he has used for Aquarion and the Valkyries in Mac 0 -> Delta.

Fucking stagnant is what I'd call their designs. And I used to be MASSIVE fan of Kawamori's design work. Never been a big Okawara fan however iconic his designs were back in the days.

>>15026790
>However, when it comes to merchandising, no one comes close. This is where his mechanical designs really shine. Hell, even his manga and novel (re)designs were made into gunpla.

The fact that he works at Bandai as an actual designer is the only reason why this happens. It's not a testament to his skill, it's just his job. Most of his redraws were created just so kits can be made based off of them.

>>15027628
>not a testament to his skill
w-w-what am I reading here?
Is this envy or jealousy?

>>15027634
It's a description of his job, dingus. His job was to literally turn other's designs into kits and models. He's responsible for the HGUC and MG line.

If you count his number of original designs he doesn't have anywhere near the amount Kawamori or Okawara have.

>>15027661
>jobs are not skill
wat

>>15027695
His job is redrawing. Redrawing is no the same thing as designing.

Take that cock out of your mouth.

>>15026052
You only say that because you like his porn

>>15027661
>If you count his number of original designs he doesn't have anywhere near the amount Kawamori or Okawara have.

Having a higher number of designs doesnt mean shit.

Most of the designs Kawamori and Okawara have done are shit, but they get their glory from the VF-1 and the RX-78, but mostly pump out mediocre shit because their names get them work.

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GG's Kampfer bootleg is apparently based on Katoki style

Katoki is very solid and makes really conventially appealing designs, but he doesn't take a lot of risks or make a lot of headway. I'd say that Ippei and Yanase are the future of mechanical design for the series, and offer the most progressive designs, even if they're not always received well.

>>15019613
>>15029067
Katoki for technique
Kawamori for design
Okawara for wisdom
...and syd mead...for style...

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>>15027628
>>15027661
>>15027701

That's the fucking point of mechanical design - creating something that is functional and workable (in this sense, in a given world). That definition alone gives Katoki the edge over his colleagues.

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Nagano is the best by far. Everyone else is just following examples he set back in the 80s.

>>15029067
You're a fucking idiot.

He's the best at making designs that transfer well into kit form. He's got that down to a T.

>>15029486
Making toys is the ideal peak of a mecha designer? Pathetic ham handed fuck.