What does /m/ think of combiner-type mechs? Don't really

They're great but it feels pointless when they eventually just start fights combining. What's the point of having the smaller robots then?

>>14902546
good point

I always wished they would fight more as the dinosaurs and tank mode

atleast in a series like... Wild force? its been to long.. the modular pieces served purposes (Polar bear ice beam woot)

I fantasize about a Giant Graze that is made up of 5 Graze

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>>14902546
>it feels pointless
Small mechs: powerfull.
Small mechs combined into one: MORE POWERFULL.

Are you even trying, anon?

5 against single monster. Isnt outnumbered and outgunned from all sides?

>>14902546
To sell toys......gimmick

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>>14902529
Combiners made up of non-humanoids can often feel pointless individually, but the ones where a central independent unit is made more powerful by combining with the other parts like the Dairanger mecha is nice.

Now, when you take two individually powerful mecha and take the best parts of both of them to create one bigger and meaner mecha, that's when you've nailed it.

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It's just their way of selling sex to kids

THAT'S RIGHT, GATTAI = ROBOT SEX.

>>14902529
I think Gattai is super fucking rad and my favorite mechs are Getter and Voltron/Golion. Getter really takes advantage of the mech being comprised of Getter jets, and open get to avoid attacks or change forms on the fly is so fucking cool. I like that the Netflix reboot has made the individual lions more capable as the older show rarely had them fight in their own outside a single attack or two, where as in Legendary Defender they fight almost just as often separate as they do together and have done full missions in their lions.

I hear Dancouga is also really good about making the individual mechs actually matter.

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>>14902569
>THAT'S RIGHT, GATTAI = ROBOT SEX.
POST GINGUISER!

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GAY ROBOT SEX

I think they're pretty rad so long as they don't over-do it. Too many components resulting in an overly bulky or complicated robot is no good.

>>14902529
>even then it's usually some lame robot slotting into another slightly bigger robot
Literally the pic you posted isnt retard.
In sentai, only DairenOh,GoBusterOh and Flash Titan and maybe a few others are like that.

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>Toei: How can we save money this year?

>>14902586
Siamese twins

>>14902562
that would be implying any of the robots could do anything to the monster of the week by itself

I know that megazords have combined but has there ever been a Megazord made up of 5 megazords with the standard 2 arm 2 leg torso formation?

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>>14902546
>What's the point of having the smaller robots then?
Kawamori was asking about this too in the 80s and 90s because he's dense and shit.

In the 2000s, he finally realized that >>14902569

So he made Aquarion but he made the gattai scenes explicitly orgasmic. Which is stupid because now you can't sell it to <10 yr old kids. Fucking dense.

>>14902594
fucking cubes man, there's no sounds or lights whatsoever just a lame autoflip gimmick only on cube eagle, lion and shark has none

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>>14902590
There used to be a time when you got excited for all of the robots combining into a bigger robot, now I dread it because the result can barely move and only the weakest robot is agile enough to have good fights.

I miss Ace.

The weakness combining the robot when they dock bit by bit and time consuming to attack the monster.

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>>14902615
It's fine, only the most heinous villains completely lacking in any decency or honour would attack during the combining sequence.

>>14902617
Yeah even if you chance upon a bunch of guys having sex, it's extremely impolite to interrupt them.

>>14902565
>>14902569
>>14902602
I know it's all about the toys but I like when the smaller robots still have a part or the combined form has its limitations too.

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I think Transformers does combiners well, since it not only gives a reason for them not to be combined all the time they're also portrayed as very situational weapons, great if you want to smash everything in sight but not for much else.

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>>14902529
post gattais dammit

>>14902617
>make sequel to well received series
>age ul the characters so you can have mostly hot girls to fap to
>ends up failing anyway

What the FUCK happened?

>>14902639
>What the FUCK happened?
Not only did they rush out a sequel as quickly as possible, they gave a show that should write itself to an utterly incompetent director who removed the love for Gundam and inserted bottom of the barrel harem bullshit in its place.

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>>14902591
Megazord is made up of smaller robots each of them comprising a large assembly of bigger robot (arm, leg, torso, etc). They're not being put inside a larger frame of a bigger robot as is the case with something like a Neo-Zeong or GN Arms. Fundamentally, it's a very different approach.

>>14902617
I see what you did there.

>>14902572
I was just gonna mention Dancouga, there's tons of stuff with the individual machines. I don't think they combine until like halfway through the series or somethin.

>>14902594
The DX series for the sentai robos have really fallen off in the last couple of years. It's a shame when the costume looks good but the toy looks like shit.

>>14902653
...yes? That´s what I was saying, can you read anon?

>>14902594
>Toei
It´s bandai newfag. They are the ones who make the toys and pay for the suits.

>>14902896
My question is why are you calling me a retard for posting the Megazord when I was talking about combiners?

>>14902602
10 year olds don't buy robots anymore anyway. Because they're "gay" and "for nerds".

It's true.

>>14903047
Because you said it´s often the case of combiners being about a small mech going into a bigger mech when it´s not and even the example you posted didn´t help.

I like non-standard combinations, like GenRyuJin & GouRyuJin.

I think the original example of this is still one of the best ones. In Getter Robo the form of the combined mecha changes based on the order the three jets that make it up combine in. The advantage of this is that the pilots can combine, uncombine and recombine on the fly to gain an advantage over the current opponent. There's one scene in Shin where the Getter team has to fight a more advanced stolen Getter machine, and they use their experience and ability to combine faster than the enemy to win the battle. They do a repeat of it in Armageddon, the circumstances are a little different but the principle is the same. Aquarion has a similar sort of principle too, and they use it quite well, but probably not as well as Getter because the abilities of the three separate forms don't feel quite as distinct.

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>>14903085
>you said it´s often the case of combiners being about a small mech going into a bigger mech when it's not
No, I didn't.

Look at the structure of the sentence in the OP >>14902529
>Don't really see them outside of the "super robot" subgenre -- even then it's usually some lame robot slotting into another slightly bigger robot.
...I was clearly speaking in context of "outside the super robot subgenre" (which some would call "real robot"). Within that realm, whenever we see two robots docking, it's usually a smaller robot "slotting into another slightly bigger robot" which would thus not make it a true combiner-type as per the distinction in >>14902653.

The reason I posted the picture of the Megazord was because it's a true combine -- not smaller robots physically being put inside of a bigger robot. The fact that the 17 other posters in this thread were able to make that distinction, but you were not able to shows that it is your reading comprehension that is questionable here.

>>14902529
I always kind of wished for there to be more Not Getter Robos out there which have 3 forms.

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>>14903240
TakaTomy made two transformers with Getter's combination scheme 2 years back.

>>14903282
If only they didn't look so terrible.

>>14903188
>...I was clearly speaking in context of "outside the super robot subgenre" (which some would call "real robot")
My bad then, I assumed by "even then" you meant that there are few overall, not in "real robot".

>>14902798
Episode 16, and there are a few episodes after that where they still don't combine

Curiously, the individual robots seem to be more powerful in beast mode than in humanoid mode, which is even stranger because they have access to the beast modes first

Dancouga was incredibly unconventional with how it treated its robots

>>14903430
What I like about Dancouga is that each of its forms have their purpose.

Vehicular forms: Standard armored warfare
Humanoid forms: Doing human-y stuff (firefights like upsized infantry)
Beastial forms: Awaken innate animal instincts within pilot
Dancouga: transcendence beyond beasts beyond humans

>>14902546

That's why Dancouga never gives us the final combined form until like episode 17.

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>>14903297
Yeah it's hard to pull off perfectly portioned getters without anime magic.

>>14903430
Dancouga in general is unconventional. I don't have the screencap of the failed general being forgiven, but that's a big one.

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>>14903282
>TakaTomy made two transformers with Getter's combination scheme 2 years back.

They actually went beyond Getter-type combinations, because each individual robot could transform (robot/vehicle or robot/beast), there were seven individual robots and they were all compatible with each other (though normally only interacted with their two teammates), and you could form a combiner from only two robots if you wanted to.

True, the toys are pretty damn awkward, but at least they work. It's almost impossible to make a working toy of most Getters, since they cheat on their transformations so much. (GR Go is an exception of course.) I mean, I've seen a couple of fully-functional getter toys, but they're basically nothing but a cluster of joints and hinges.

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Someday we'll see the individual components of Banpreios. Someday.

>>14903481
>GR Go is an exception of course
Getter Go kinda cheats in another way: by offloading one component into a (barely transformed) backpack. It's a smart way to make the DX toy work though.

>>14903488
Banpresto itself doesn't even make SRW games anymore. It's just awkward to have SRX and Banpreios around.

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One of my favorite bits was in episode 3 or 4 of Dancouga Nova. The previous episode ends on a cliffhanger with their combined robot being constricted by a giant snake bot all super dramatically and when the next episode starts they had already resolved the issue by decombining off screen and where all, almost manically tearing it a new asshole with their individual robots.

>>14903489
>offloading one component into a (barely transformed) backpack

Pretty much what Aquarion does too...

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>>14902529
>Don't really see them outside of the "super robot" subgenre

Combiners are indeed rare in the Real Robot genre, though it has happened. Victory Gundam kinda counts, and the Legioss+Tread combo definitely counts. Though it does fall under your "robot slotting into another slightly bigger robot" caveat.

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>>14903688
Wonder if this is true about the Legioss+Tread combo

"the Legioss was designed as a stand alone toy by Shinji Aramaki.. Gakken decided that they needed more transforming mecha in Mospeada so they had another designer, Hideki Kakinuma design the Tread, with no set means to connect them. In the show, animators relied on “Anime Magic” to make the transformation work. Unfortunately, that left today’s toymakers in the dark as to how they connected, and each maker has to come up with their own solution."
http://www.collectiondx.com/toy_review/2008/legioss_amp_tread

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>>14903688

Zoids' Weiß Tiger (Weiß Wolf + Savinga) is a rare example of a Real-type combiner.

>>14903707

Looking at them, the Legioss and Tread were indeed almost definitely designed by different people. I knew that the Legioss was Aramaki, and it would make sense that the Tread is by Kakinuma. It fits his style, and they both worked at Artmic at the time.

I don't think the "Anime Magic" comment is entirely fair... But I don't think it's entirely unfair either.

>>14903707

For a second I thought your pic was the Astraea Mk I

They're often the best part of things they're not the main focus of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQuPNh4d6Uo

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EVERYTHING MUST COMBINE

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>>14904069

EVERYTHING

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>>14904081

EVERYTHING

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>>14904069
>>14904081
>>14904083

EVVVVERRRRYYYYTHINNNNNNGGGG

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the horror

>they never gattaied in 00
;_;

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>>14902887
A-At least Diesel-Oh was pretty neat...right?

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Yuu-esu-esu Entaapuraizu, GATTAI!

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Back in the 80s, Alpha Flight fought a team of combiner robots called the "Macro System."

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>>14904320

Joint Venture form.

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Dia-Battles V2 Prototype is a rare Real(ish) type combiner.

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>>14902529
They're great

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>>14904459
Tfw Oubu and Entei gattai

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>>14904474

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Combiner-type mechs are love.

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I absolutely fucking love the Ninninjer mecha.

>tfw your robot sits on a throne that is a robot that sits in a throne that also is a robot

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Dairugger XV pretty much followed Real Robots principles when not combined. Cool idea for a space exploration team who knew they'd sometimes run into big trouble.

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Victrailer and VRV Robo were sorta logical, in a similar way as Dairugger.

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>>14905234

That shit's awesome. Like the nesting doll gattain patterns of Gurren Lagann.

>>14904143
You're right there, and also the orange one was nice as well.

But the main Mecha for ToQ was the first offender and they haven't really picked back up from there.

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sometimes combiners are not so good

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combine and SIEG HEIL!

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Sometimes robots have to don armor to combine.

>>14902637
>mugenbine

I was trying to remember what those things were called.

>>14903494
Half the SRW games were made by other devs like TOSE even before that, what's the problem? It's a cool ass mech.

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Mecha-Shiva
Mecha-Shiva
Mecha-shiva!

>>14905234

I really question why I watched that whole show.

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Combining robots always have and will be, my jam.
Whether it's a 5 in 1 Super Sentai robot, or two or three robots that actually are formidable on their own that combine to make one powerhouse.

I just hate the ones that are glorified accessories to the main mecha, like the Zeo Battlezord or whatever the red one was called.
Unless they're massive ones like Pyramidas, that takes the edge off a bit.

>>14902546
Is Dai Guard the only show to have the base robot as one combined form and then upgrade it into being able to split into smaller combing units? Usually on the few occasions where it occurs it's the other way around.

>>14902615
The best thing is when shows actually account for that like GGG having that energy filed that keeps monsters out. Pretty Cure's done it since the first series.

>>14910024
In a way, that's kind of what Jeeg is, since it basically powers up by shedding its basic parts and reattaching other stuff

>>14902529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf3fgfHoTOc
Combiners are the future of superheavy mecha. Everything needs to fit on a railcar and combine in less than a day.

>>14902572
The way OPEN GET plays into combat as a main component rather than an afterthought is awesome. It just makes the machine feel like a vicious motherfucker. Getter really is the coolest robot, and it just wouldn't be that way if it didn't combine like that.

>>14902572
>, where as in Legendary Defender they fight almost just as often separate as they do togethe

They've actually fought separately FAR more than they've combined

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Aquarion does it pretty well.

Logo's Aquarion combinations were unconventional even by Aquarion standards though.
>2 Vectors into one Aquarion, forms
>Rabbit
>Dragonfly?
>Some 3-Vector combinations
>The titular Aquarion Logos and also Aquarion Deava

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>>14910376

Logos was a gattai smörgåsbord

>>14910769
>robot wearing a robot suit
I need more of this.

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"Oh boy, it's morphin' time!"

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>>14911577
GATTAI DA

>>14908123

The boner-confusing fox?

>>14903240
>I always kind of wished for there to be more Not Getter Robos out there which have 3 forms.

It bugs me that there's, like, one robot which actually made use of the fact that having three separate components should result in SIX forms.

Santai Gattai, Roku Henge~

>>14903709
If you're counting Zoids, you have to count all the Fuzors in general, even if most of them look like piss.

>>14904087
But this was awesome anon

RET'S GO ELDORADO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISK82QaSREg

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>>14912480

dey terk muh jerb!

>>14911695
>It bugs me that there's, like, one robot which actually made use of the fact that having three separate components should result in SIX forms.

You mean the crappy voltron sequel, right?

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>>14912872
Also their jobs.

>>14912898
No. I actually said what it was in my post with some gratuitous Japanese from the OP that could be easily searched and had like a full page on Google dedicated to the correct show, but to make it clearer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ZS3pqHv5M