https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4b -haPATmI Why do realism

>>14855917
Why do you get triggered by realism fags being triggered by that?

>>14855917
Because people in the West have no taste for robots besides strict association with particular franchises. Anything outside of those strict bounds is as good as lost on them.

Honestly, though, I don't get it either.

>>14855930
How does he seem triggered?
He asked a question. He is not disparaging anyone in doing so.

>>14855930
I don't. Just curious.
Like when I told one of my weeb friends about an anime but if he saw mechs in it, he would refuse to watch it because it's unrealistic, despite the fact that he likes watching seasonal harem anime and shounen.

I'm more or less giving up on try to convince them otherwise.

>>14855943
Have you ever asked them why they could accept super heroes and shonen but not robots, specifically?

>>14855917
It is like " meet me in real life, I will fuck you up for good you nerd hiding behind keyboard" kind of deal. By stating the obviously obvious things like pointing out how this thing is not like real, they convince their ego that they are not an anime geek fapping to this because they have a live and and give the pretense to have experience real shit to know how it goes down.
In short, they derive some sort of relish in order to give a vibe of being of superior intellect and experience.
And this results time wasted on making very idiotic comments on a random clip of a tv show you might haven't even seen for a ephymeral sense of being feeling Superior.

>>14855947
Once or twice, they just said that it was different and shifted the topic.
Asking any further and I got the "lol nobody cares, anon XD" response.

>>14855943
Reminded me an encounter I had with a guy from my college years ago. We were having some casual conversation about Tv shows and movies at the place where I was hanging around with bunch of my classmates. Usually things went like this-
>lol anon why watch this show or movie for it's social and historical context when you can just watch a documentry?
>I watch superhero movies because they deal with science

Even to this day I regret for not calling him out on this. I get easily overwhelmed in social meets.

>>14855960
I suppose that in keeping with normie tradiiton it'd be best not to push the question.

But yeah, at a glance it sounds like they're discriminating for very little reason. Sometimes I've asked /co/ these sorts of questions myself. I've gotten some pretty solid answers e.g.
>the West doesn't have the cultivated appetite for it
>it's always perceived as kid's stuff
And some real bullshit answers
>magic and powers are okay because you use them directly
>robots always job in capes so I have no reason top see them as cool

>>14855960
I think mecha just dosen't appeals your friend and pulled the "not realistic" card just to avoid the topic by calling it "childish" i.e. "huh I am a grown man despite engaging in flagrant hypocrisy".

>>14855980
>engaging in flagrant hypocrisy
But anon, that's what adult do!

>>14855917
Most people can handwave that shit, it's not too difficult when writing a plot, they create an instance that seems unbelievable at first but then explains why later how it was possible via technology or some other plot device. In fiction, impossible just is implausible.

>>14855917
it's annoying because by having mechs shit over everything else you lose the possibility of having cool asymmetrical fight scenes

>>14855917
From what I've heard, it's because it doesn't show the mechs as superior but instead the tanks as inferior. That is to say, the tanks should be a lot more maneuverable than that, in reality. So the robots aren't winning because they're so much better than conventional military hardware, they're winning because the tanks they're fighting are so much worse than conventional military hardware.

>>14855917
>>14855917
I think the answer would be demographics.

See, try to think of the various groups that form both the reader/spectators/fans of shounen manga and mecha series. In the shounen manga area we generally have younger lads, kids or teens, that still have little to no barriers with simple, fantastic or idiotic plots (I really wanted to find other way to describe a shounen manga plot, but nothing comes to my mind right now, sorry). Or we also have older people that still like to read said mangas, are already acostumed with it, and so, have little problems suspending their disbeliefs.

Now, inside of the mecha fan base, and even among many of the people that did mecha anime back in the 80's and 90's, there is a fucking ton of military otakus. I'm both a mecha anime fan and /k/ browser, for example. Because I know and I like things like tanks and military strategy, it pains in my ass to see a group of some few mechas wrecking easily entire platoons of tanks, even I knowing fully well that tanks in mecha shows are simply cannon fodders to show how said mechas are powerfull, and that I should not expect much more from them, anyway.

It also doesn't help that many old mecha animes that mix military thematics seems to try present themselves as more serious or realistic, and even when it is not the case, they give the impression of it.

Thats my opinion.

>>14856215
The mechs in that scene got the armor column with its pants down.

It was pretty much the perfect ambush.

The show's argument for where the mechs are objectively advantaged comes from urban deployment where the fusion of humanoid mobility in a concrete jungle with the heavier firepower of a combat vehicle creates a weapon that makes you wish you were merely dealing with sandniggers wielding RPGs. In the open desert that was just a perfect blindside, but one not expected to last once the existence of tactical armors becomes common knowledge.

>>14855917
when mecha tries to be realistic it can be triggering for some realistfags

>>14855943
People are hypocrites and retards.

I know some Battletechfags. Despite loving a board game, books and video games based around giant robots, they break out into convulsions and froth at the mouth at the mention of anime for even stupider reasons like robots holding guns instead of having them mounted to hardpoints.

>>14855952
hence forth it's called shitposting

>>14855999
adults are EVIL. they must be PURGE.

mech vs tank scenes would be way more interesting if they both had a good shot at destroying each other

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>>14856351
Teenagers are even more Hypocritical therefore they must be purged too Kamille.

>>14855952
But this double standard on suspension on belief is about normies, and less about other nerds, going by OP's ranting.

Yeah, normies can accept the superhero idea, but not giant fighting robots? Why, and how did it come to this?

>>14856254
>a fucking ton of military otakus

Anno and Miyazaki in general.

Nagano himself is a nerd for tanks.

>>14855917
>Why do realismfag get triggered by this?
The problem isn't that the robots are too fast. It's that the tanks and IFVs were slower than they are in real life.

There's also the problem that they never make some kind of futuristic sanic tank that works against (or with) mecha.

People don't get to choose what appeals to them and what bothers them. Think about it, if you could just decide "I don't want _____ to bother me" then everyone would choose to be happy with being broke and working shit job. It's our inability to make this choice that drives people to seek better circumstances.

For me personally, I have no trouble suspending disbelief for lots of things but sometimes something just bugs me even though less realistic things make it past the filter. I'm okay with 18m robots dominating warfare. I don't care how an MS pilot makes those complex movements with just two joysticks and two pedals. I don't care how the computer in GBF determines whether your gunpla has EXAM or Trans-Am. But for reasons I can't explain, the idea of a church revolving around an elevator bothers me. Domon catching every bullet fired at him by several machineguns with his bare hands doesn't bother me, and I realize that many other things that are far less ridiculous don't bother me, but that doesn't change my reaction to those things. For reasons I cannot comprehend, I'm more willing to accept a 40-something man destroying mobile suits with a scarf than I am someone controlling a Valkyrie with a guitar. If I could *choose* to like it, I'd have enjoyed Macross 7 a whole lot more, but that isn't how the human mind works.

>>14855930

why do you get triggered by him getting triggered that realism fags get triggered by that

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>>14856620
>There's also the problem that they never make some kind of futuristic sanic tank that works against (or with) mecha.

This always disappoints me. like the closest we ever got to this kind of thing was MGS3's Shagohad.

Push the concept, niggas.

>>14856620
No show has really done proper warfare with multiple types of vehicles since 0079 or Dougram, and it's a huge shame. They always push the robots to fulfill the same role as planes, tanks and infantry and it's never as interesting as using all four together.

>>14856794
Magela 2.0

>>14856620
>sanic tank
Would be cool if it'll not flipping itself. Hell, Shagohod even need limbs to stabilize herself, and she need to take a long clear runway for her max speed or it'll be flatten hard.

Maybe there will be one if spherical wheel ever exist. Or just go full spider tank and stick some turbos on it.

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>>14857069
Realistic military engagements is hard to portray right and often boring for long parts of it and the general public would find it hard to understand why they use the tactics they do.

On the other hand a giant robot punching the other giant robot's face in simple to comprehend.

It's why practically all medieval movies have two armies just charging at each other screaming instead of holding formation and moving as units using actual medieval tactics

>>14857506
>Or just go full spider tank
Not fast.

>>14855979
That's a pretty good response.

I have the opposite problem, my italian friend has very fond opinions of 70s franchises, but more or less ignores mecha outside of Grendizer/UFO Robo type shows.

I know another guy who loves gundam and knows it pretty well. He is aware of some other tomino productions. Once you get into Votoms, outside the realm of Tomino and Gundam, he completely loses interest.

I feel like I'm the only balanced mecha fan I know.

that scene somewhat annoys me as a fan of the show

that entire encounter went against the entire combat purpose the TAs/MFs were created to fulfill (unparalleled mobility in urban settings) and they're completely outside of their niche their. They should have gotten blown the fuck out by any Tanks in an open field, because that's not what they were created for, nor their strong suit, and should have been outclassed.

You can make the argument that they blindsided the battalion by blitzing them with a surprise attack using unprecedented tactics and new weapons but that can only go so far.

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>>14856552
>Nagano himself is a nerd for tanks.

Are you sure? Mamoru "high heels on a skeleton knight" Nagano is a /k/fag? Maybe he just likes the big guns.

>>14857069
>No show has really done proper warfare with multiple types of vehicles since 0079 or Dougram
SEED actually handled this pretty well despite it's story related problems, a lot of the grunt MS were hybrids that were basically tanks, and normal tanks and aircraft played a bigger role on land.
It also did really well with involving the main ships in the battles

>>14857603
You also forget the fact that they're powered by Japanese alien war demons and cocaine IVs. Everybody forgets that they're powered by Japanese war alien demons and cocaine IVs.

>>14857603
It's the only time they ever do a blindside of that caliber, and this is before any public announcement of TA technology existing has been made.

It's part of Gowa Industry's argument that the NATO coalition should have the JSDF bring their Type 17 Raidens to Begilstan: the enemy has tactical armors, and while you might blown them out of the sand the next time you're out there in wide open spaces don't expect it to go well in the city; they're already surprisingly agile on open terrain and it just gets worse when you give them the advantage of verticality.

That the sandpeople can't muster an effective enough anti armor presence gives the Raidens the additional opportunity to show off in open combat, but the Ishtars pegging that armor convoy was ostensibly a product of excellent timing against an unprepared and uninformed force by a small team armed disproportionately relative to their size and mobility. The perfect ambush, really.

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>>14857751
>Mamoru "high heels on a skeleton knight" Nagano is a /k/fag?

Yep, he is, especially with WWII stuff and alike.

What I don't understand about the western market is they suspend their disbelief when the giant robots are sentient beings from another planet with a vehicle mode... and they're put off by giant robots being piloted by humans.

Nevermind the superhero stuff, THIS is what really puzzles me. No one freaked out when Blackout singlehandedly took out an entire military base. lol

>>14855917
>tr*ggered

FUCK OFF!

>>14860099
man movie 1 was decent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Q56BUgUPo

>>14856525
Teenagers are proto-adults anyway.

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>>14859961
Interesting. I assumed all his interests were in costumes since he was a fashion designer, so he made all his mecha based off of knight armor and various other baroque costumes. Course I haven't read FSS so maybe there is a side to out Sailor Venus cosplay man that I have yet to see.

If he really is a /k/fag though how can he stand giving his robots such goofy proportions and heels?

>>14860099
Banking on nostalgia + super srs plot + extra heavy greebling

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>>14860099
We just need a Hollywood studio and a competent director to take risks and get one made. I think a movie with a setting sort of like Gungriffon's could do very well in the US market.
Though right now the trend seems to be stuck in Superhero mode, but I don't think it's going to last for more than a few more years before people stop buying tickets.

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>>14860919
>If he really is a /k/fag though how can he stand giving his robots such goofy proportions and heels?

Ask Bandai.

>>14860919
Have you seen his tanks and infantry armor in FSS?

>>14856343
Mounting weapons on hard points is dumb. The reason why it's done now is because it's more stable but if you're a universe where a giant robo hand is every bit as stable then there's no point. Fixed armaments is not the ideal, modular is always preferred but much harder to implement and more prone to mechanical problems. But in universes like Gundams' timelines it's a non-problem.

>>14860947
Pacific Rim

>>14861823
So it bombed domestically and in Japan, and sold well in China, Russia, and South Korea? Sounds about right.

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>>14855917
do you get trigger by this?

Same answer.

>>14860453
>>>tumblr

>>14861823
An uninspired pastiche that could only ever draw in fanboys.

>>14860919
>If he really is a /k/fag though how can he stand giving his robots such goofy proportions and heels?

Because unlike you he doesn't have his head stuck in his ass about what MUH REALISM is. Fuck off back to Battletech.

>>14862438
Anon, why're you so unhappy? He only asked a question.

>>14861806
It's pretty goddamn hilarious that his heavy powered infantry armour's actually somewhat realistic, what with it being 90% ballistic fiber with some plates and most of the shape being made up of huge huge air cushions meant to shield the infantryman from concussions.

>>14862443
Anyone who asks for realism in 15m+ robots is a fucking moron and should be called out on it. No exceptions.

>>14862513
Well anon, I feel much the same, but at the same time other anon wasn't talking about or asking about that exact topic at all.

He said something to the lines of "if Nagano's a /k/fag, why don't his mecha seem to reflect this?" It's a rather legitimate question considering how Heavy Metals, Mortar Headds, etc. are aesthetically.

>>14862513
Anyone who gets this assravaged at the mere thought of verisimilitude in science fiction has assburgers and should be called out on it. No exceptions.

>>14862521
If Nagano was a /k/fag he never would have had a career designing giant robots. Same goes with every mecha designer. It's a dumb question regardless of the context.

>>14862535
I still think it's a little harsh and unnecessary to disparage curiosity so hard. People like what they like.

>>14862530
I disagree with this. People have a right to their opinions.
I do think it's fair to say that being mad deserves a callout sometimes.

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>>14862530
>muh giant giant robots cosplaying SWAT or Nazi clothing is more realistic than giant robots with high heels

Yeah, fuck off.

>>14862540
>I still think it's a little harsh and unnecessary to disparage curiosity so hard. People like what they like.

If people got the message they would stop making or replying to these retarded "what is realistic mecha" threads.

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>>14862535
>If Nagano was a /k/fag he never would have had a career designing giant robots
>Same goes with every mecha designer
What has to happen to someone make them actually believe that an artist who designs machines for shows about military conflict would never do so if they have any inkling as to how machines used in military conflict actually function.

>>14862542
>15 meter tall robot armed with machine guns and used in a war against similar robots are exactly the same as hundred meter robots with giant drills and hyper mega soul spirit cannons that fights elder demon kaiju gods

>>14862551
True that.

>>14862563
Well, neither's really more "plausible" than the other if you think about it. There's no reason to think about it that much.

>>14862567
>Well, neither's really more "plausible" than the other if you think about it.
Bullshit.

>>14862570
Well, I wouldn't want to debate it, but for me, the way a robot is isn't important. We already know that none of these things will ever exist, so there's no reason to think about it at all.

Just enjoy things you enjoy. It's fiction! And that's what makes it really great- you can do whatever you want and it'll always work out if you want it to.

>>14862573
>Just enjoy things you enjoy
Why are you telling me and not the sperg who's flipping his shit at the thought of people enjoying things that aim for realism?

>>14862563
>What has to happen to someone make them actually believe that an artist who designs machines for shows about military conflict would never do so if they have any inkling as to how machines used in military conflict actually function.

There's a difference between knowing how military vehicle and weaponry works and frothing at the mouth whenever a giant robot appears and beats up some tanks because it's "unrealistic". /k/fags are the latter, and no mecha designer is that stupid.

>One type of 15 m robot is more realistic than the other just because it's from a different setting

Sure thing buddy.

>>14862576
Because your double standards are retarded and you should be ashamed of yourself, or better yet, fuck off back to your /k/ind and never come back here.

>>14862576
I did, actually. I said to him, roughly, "well you can't disparage people for enjoying things", but here we are now. Oh well.

>>14862582
Make me.

>>14862594
It's okay, you can keep making as many of these "mecha realism" threads as you want and have 50 other people like me call you retard every time as many times as you want.

>>14862596
This thread was made by your kind.

>>14855917
>This video contains content from Starz Media LLC, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

>>14862598
In response to your kind, who make these threads at least once a week.

>>14862605
>In response to your kind
Another lie. This all started when dumb teenage nerds would go around posting things like OP's and asking why we don't use mecha and other dumb shit.

And you keep saying that mecha are all equally impossible but you never say how and you just ignore all the differences anytime it's pointed out.

>>14862628
Whoa whoa, I stopped replying at >>14862585
You've been having a back-and-forth with someone else kek

>>14855917
>Why do realismfag get triggered by this?
>Moreover, why do people can suspend their disbelief when it comes to shounen and super heroes genre but not with mecha anime?
We're not fucking "triggered" by the anime itself, dipshit. We're annoyed that you're dumb enough to actually believe giant ass humanoid robota would be practical vehicles in any situation in real life. They're no different than monster trucks: They have no purpose other than to look cool and be entertaining.

>>14862639
And how am I supposed to know?

>>14862628
>This all started when dumb teenage nerds would go around posting things like OP's and asking why we don't use mecha and other dumb shit.

I never go on /k/, so that's your problem.

>And you keep saying that mecha are all equally impossible but you never say how and you just ignore all the differences anytime it's pointed out.

There are no fucking differences, no matter how many sniper rifles or black hole cutting swords you put on a 15m+ mecha, they're ALL unrealistic bullshit. Realism only applies to how practical mecha are in their own universe, in which case they are all practical. But outside of that, in your /k/fag territory, none of it any realistic at all.

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>>14855979
That's true. Vision is maybe the most powerful jobber in the Marvel canon next to Thanos.

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>>14862438
I never said anything about realism, I was talking about Nagano's aesthetic preferences. For a guy who likes AFV's why does he give all his giant war weapons the looks of a fashion model? I'm saying I don't really see any kind of serious military inspiration from his designs. At least with Katoki and his hilariously over-the-top designs like the Ex-S you can see the influence. Stop dragging this conversation to something totally unrelated.

>>14860952
See, I think IBO MS are just badly designed. They try to be gritty and militaristic, but then all the grunts have silly high heels and literal stick waists for no reason.

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>>14861806
I've seen his flying tanks but never thought much of them. They are a departure design-wise from his mecha, I suppose. I've yet to see Nagano do a mecha design with this type of AFV aesthetic.

>>14855917
They don't get over the fact that with all that plating, tank turret are need 6-9 second to rotate and need a full stop to do a meaningfull turn.

And enemies are actually into tactics and maneuvering instead of just stand still like an idiot like what /k/uck actually believe, since they never got to actual combat outside of target practice.

>>14862696
>why does he give all his giant war weapons the looks of a fashion model?

In FSS, it explicitly said that it was master crafted grade weapons that was personally build for the liking of customers, and each of it was expression of art from their crafters, imagine the armor plates of 13-14th century lords.

>>14862946
>Comparing real existing practical military vehicles to completely fictional animated superweapons

The F-35 is complete dogshit, couldn't even take out an X-Wing.

>>14861858
No
Since it need one full lance of tanks to destroy one unsuspecting Zaku.
They don't even destroy that thing, just make it goes off balance and made the pilot goes blackout.
If the Zaku was already suspecting them, it will be another story.

>>14862983
>Garasaki mech
>super weapons

It just multiarmed massproduced exoskeletons m8.

>Practical

The same like 19 century person considering canons and rifles are more practical than a glorified fliying kites aka. airplanes.

>>14863015
Powered by ancient alien mystical Oni bioparts.

>>14862709
They're supposed to be knights

Half of S1 had the main cast being chased by Carta and her orbiters.

>>14863052
Still practical in their setting, since you know, they have it.

Its like 20s saying long range submarines Nautilus aren't practical since it powered by Uranium.

And 18th century peoples said that tanks are retarded since it moved by magic engines powered by gassolines.

>>14862535
>If Nagano was a /k/fag he never would have had a career designing giant robots
But Kawamori exists

>>14863201
Kawamori is a planespotter with an engineering degree, totally different breed of person from a range warrior with an Armalite and a box of 5.56.

Also being a raging LEGOfag helps his case.

Mecha anime subjects its narrative to plausibility which opens the door to nitpicking from the viewership, while other genres do not.

For example, Naruto has kung fu magic hijinks and it doesn't really go beyond that because there's nothing in the context of the narrative that contradicts "it's magic nigga I ain't gotta explain shit."

Mobile Suit Gundam has supply chains and O'Neil cylinders and weapons design bureaus and serial make-and-model numbers for its pilotable giant robots. The context of Gundam's narrative supports an unsuspension of disbelief.

So the argument shifted to individual preferences within mecha over the mecha genre itself not appealing to people. This is why /m/echa can't have nice things, so many fucking divisions.

It doesn't matter how much detail you put into how and why there's a giant robot standing over there, at the end of the day, its a giant fucking robot. Same with a superhero, doesn't matter what fucking backstory you give this guy, at the end of the day, he's a fucking superhero. This is like arguing which superpower is more realistic than another. Which does happen, but it's fucking retarded. No one's wrong or right, its simply retarded.

The differences between franchises are used to make each series diverse from one another and provide something the watcher or player hasn't seen within the genre. NOT to try to push that one is more likely to happen than another. The use of the term realism is in terms of physics, not that it can actually fucking happen. Liking one method over the other is simple individual taste. Arguing over taste is like arguing which type of apple tastes better. In the end you both like apples.

I'll give one more example since OP brought up superheroes. Its like Captain America and Superman. One is more bound by physics than another. Both are equally not going to happen outside of fiction, both are superheroes and appreciated within the genre. Sure there's infighting in the community, but not to the degree of deciding which one should set the standard for all superheroes.

Maybe the first step is just sticking it to these guys (muh realism) and calling them on liking mecha. It doesn't matter if they only like one series, one game or one episode, they like mecha. Get rid of the dividers and maybe there'd be less internal hypocrisy. Then it'd be easier to deal with external hypocrisy if they can't turn one against the other based on taste. idk, just an idea.

(I noticed its always Gasaraki that starts shit like this. Maybe its because it's a hybrid.)

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>>14862737
>I've yet to see Nagano do a mecha design with this type of AFV aesthetic.

His Rick Dias has that aesthetic, and is probably the least embellished monoeye design in all of Gundam. It's a huge departure from his regular style of mecha design.

>>14862648
>We're annoyed that you're dumb enough to actually believe giant ass humanoid robota would be practical vehicles in any situation in real life.
9 times out of 10 you autismos start getting triggered when no one even mentions that.

>>14863058
>They're supposed to be knights

Some are, like Carta's boyband and the Kimaris. But most of them, like the normal Graze or Barbatos, don't look knightly in the slightest.

>>14863444
>Mobile Suit Zundam

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>>14855917
>video blocked in your country

What was it?

>>14863058
>They're supposed to be knights
More like demon warriors, at least the gundam frames, as their names suggest. All the names of the gundam frames until now seems to come from hellish legion commanders; Barbatos, Kimaris and Gusion.

>>14863511
Barbs is sorta thuggish in the way only a samurai could look.

>>14863593
The Ars Goetia demons, yes.

>>14862648
>We're annoyed that you're dumb enough to actually believe giant ass humanoid robota would be practical vehicles in any situation in real life.
>this is what /k/fags actually believe

>They have no purpose other than to look cool and be entertaining.
And this is actually why we fucking watch them you sperglord.

>'B-B-BUT IT's NOT PRACTICALLLLLLLLllllllllllll!'
No one cares. By even bringing this up you've missed the entire point.

>>14863612
Aren't those guys all lords and dukes and shit? Just because it's demonic doesn't mean it can't be knightly.

>>14863846
Too bad the actual designs outside of Kimaris's first form aren't knightly in the slightest.

>>14863587
A scene of Gasaraki

Someone did a thread with OP exact same gif, almost about the same subject, in /k/.

>>31766704

It is kind of funny see that the majority of the posters there are also /m/echa fags to some degree.

>>14864711
Of course, it's only some MUH REAL ROBUTTS sperg trying to false flag a board war.

"Because it looks cool" is literally all the justification giant battle robots need.

>>14862563
>What has to happen to someone make them actually believe that an artist who designs machines for shows about military conflict would never do so if they have any inkling as to how machines used in military conflict actually function.

Those end up being Space Operas about fledgling gods' journey to power and aliens manipulating whole species from beyond time as part of a research project.

>>14863085
>Still practical in their setting, since you know, they have it.
They're practical as long as you have either of the two dancers to train each new unit's AIs to not eat the pilot's sanity.

>>14864777
The same for tanks are practical as long as bunch of rednecks ballerinas are dancing around middle east to keep awakens their Zionic overlord or the magical juice stop pumping in.

btw you're full of shit tbhfamalamambamba

>>14865463
Watch the show.

>>14864777
Since the know how exist and people know how to harness them, it still practical in their setting yes.

Stupid or not, its their reality. Mystical demon used for base of your mechas are realistic for them.

And what is the connection of the supposed scene with all of this base materials arguments?

>>14855917
Please stop coming over to /k/
>>>/k/31766704

It only create unnecessary conflict.

>>14866099
See

>>14864711

Nobody cares.

>>14864722
>no true scotsman

>>14855952
>normal guy see some anime stuff
>"that's silly"
>HAHA HE'S TRYING TO HIDE HIS OWN INSECURITIES AND PRETEND TO BE NOT PATHETIC AMIRITE GUISE
you aren't helping

>>14866099
I find incredible how that thread already reached the mark of 324 posts and 125 posters. And half of the thread are the /k/ommandos truly trying to explain to some anon, that think that giant combat mechas would be a reality in the future, why his thinking is stupid.

>>14866523
Can't be helped if simple nuances go over their head while act uppity posh queen.

>>14868654
Let this thread die.

Hopefully the autist OP will stop making /m/ look bad cross-board.

>>14868662
OP here. I'm not the one who posted the thread on /k/, though.

>>14855939
>people in the West have no taste for robots besides
This

>>14856794
A lot of the tanks in the battletech universe are actually pretty fuckin serious.

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>>14856794
Post Mark XXX Bolo. Sentient continental siege unit, meaning it is a really, REALLY, big, multiturreted tank, with lots of point defense and subweapons. Very fast, multilayered energy shields, antigrav for fast movement and orbital flight, main cannons with power output measured in megatons per second, enough computer power to target and follow pretty much everything over the horizon. And with enough range to hit anything up to and later beyond, Luna orbit.
This is pretty much end of line for any 'ground based' engine of war. Nothing can take them one on one - Laumer and later other authors included other supertanks and 'walkers' for enemy forces but pretty much only way to kill a Bolo has always been to swarm it with enough metal that it's armament wouldn't be able to vaporise it fast enough. Fiction-wise, strongest non-super combat machine.
>>14857532
Spider tank with wheels. Patlabor had those, -komas of GitS as well.

>>14862579
>One type of 15 m robot is more realistic than the other just because it's from a different setting
Based on what? IRL technology and application? Or said setting tech base and doctrine?
If one was to transplant late-macross valkirie into our earth, with all it's described technology, it would be VERY capable engine of war. Hell, even most mobile suits would qualify, by virtue of gundanium itself.

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>>14875119
eventually, yes. But who knows how basic combat doctrine would change afterwards. Maybe some aspects of humanoid designs would be incorporated after all. Hildolfr makes sense as fast artillery platform with entrenchment capabilities plus modular secondary armament. Not lots of sense but it is good example of incorporating MS technology into an orthodox vehicle.
Now, think what could be done with V2 level of tech.
>MFW it is indeed Bolo in the end.

>>14875135
And Minovsky flight systems.
And avionics that evolved to withstand combat area contaminated by minovsky particles.
Advanced cockpits and imaging systems.
Actuators, magnetic coating and all that stuff.
Direct brain linkage.
Interstellar travel and mining, including gas giant.

>>14862283

you are an awful human being with shit taste. pacific rim was a dream come true for any mecha fag

>>14875151
You mean, it wasn't observed in our universe.
Also, that's one advanced technology that 'might' be nonfunctional in our reality.

>>14875196
Advanced alloys are bullshit? How so?
We now have transparent aluminium, aerogels and other things that were, literally, science-fiction less than half century ago.

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>>14856620
>>14856794
Do you fags even IGLOO?

>>14875332
for now anon, for now...

>>14855917
>Moreover, why do people can suspend their disbelief when it comes to shounen and super heroes genre but not with mecha anime?
Because the vast majority of mecha series take themselves more seriously than most shounen/super hero series do.

>>14876714
Why didn't the zeeks make more of this again?

>>14877237
>tfw learned to not give a shit about anything

Feels something bro, I guess.

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>>14877237
Hell, most of the engineers are actually less autistic and more into some crazy shi. They're pretty much bunch of gentle/m/ans.

The autistic ones are either college students in their mid semester or some wikimeister that just found some basic science stuff.

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>>14875103
>Bolo. Sentient continental siege unit
"For the honor of the Regiment!"

>>14875119
>Not really, people would just make tanks and planes on Gundanium.
>>14875130
>Maybe some aspects of humanoid designs would be incorporated after all. Hildolfr makes sense as fast artillery platform with entrenchment capabilities plus modular secondary armament. Not lots of sense but it is good example of incorporating MS technology into an orthodox vehicle.
Indeed, plus you have to remember that the Orignal Gunboy concept had the Mobile Suit as a set of Starship Troopers'esk powered armor that was then sized up to giant robot scale to tap the burgeoning toy market, hence why the Zauk II has those damned TUBES and made Re-breather sounds in the first episode.

>>14877235
>Why didn't the zeeks make more of this again?
I think the Hildolfr biggest flaw was that it couldn't fire its huge ass cannon in Mobile Suit mode, hence it didn't gel with the Zeon aesthetic for Wunder Weapons.

>>14877401
>Hell, most of the engineers are actually less autistic and more into some crazy shi. They're pretty much bunch of gentle/m/ans.
>The autistic ones are either college students in their mid semester or some wikimeister that just found some basic science stuff.
Indeed...
Hell, I was studying to be a Paleontologist, so I come at /m/echa from a biomechanics view point.

>>14875130
>Maybe some aspects of humanoid designs would be incorporated after all.
Even in Macross the only reason VF's can even transform into humanoid shapes is because they were built to infiltrate Zentradi ships.
If there's no giant fucking aliens, there's no need for your jet fighter to discard all the advantages of a jet fighter.

>>14877994
>If there's no giant fucking aliens, there's no need for your jet fighter to discard all the advantages of a jet fighter.
True, but what if you're fighting in an environment where aerodynamic fighter planes aren't an option?

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>>14878001
build a VTOL gunship that is purpose built to work like gerwalk mode?

>>14879799
>build a VTOL gunship that is purpose built to work like gerwalk mode?
Good, but what if the environment doesn't necessarily have an atmosphere to work with?

>>14878001
Bring something that isn't a fighter, duh.

>>14879821
The damn things already fly in space where there's no atmosphere.

>>14879898
>The damn things already fly in space where there's no atmosphere.
Well you got me there...
Damn bullshit Halo torch-ship planes...

>>14879913

Macross nuclear jet engines work fine in space too. As do the ones in gundam. Most mecha series tend to have thrusters with incredible performance that work in every environment.

>>14879974
>Macross nuclear jet engines work fine in space too. As do the ones in gundam. Most mecha series tend to have thrusters with incredible performance that work in every environment.
I know, I just want my future space combat by giant mecha champions...

>>14879894
>Machines with multiple capabilities are baaad
>we'll bring multiple different machine instead

Jeeze, what a logistic's nightmare.....

>>14880308
You might be retarded.

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>>14880308
Two turbines, electronics, aileron, rudder, elevator and flap single-axis control surface pairs that only experience significant load while maneuvering requires 15-25 maintenance man-hours to 1 flight hour.

Consider a machine with two-axis pairs of ankle, hip, shoulder, wrist joints as well as single axis knee and elbow joints all under constant load and movement as well as powerplant and electronics.

>>14855930
>b-but you're triggered, too!!!
Don't project :^)

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>>14880425
Three axis hips and shoulders. Gotta have dem hip adductors and abductors what for turning and such.

Same for the shoulders if you ever want to bring the arms out to the side or inwards. Can't cross your arms or wave with two axis shoulders.

>>14880425
>Two turbines, electronics, aileron, rudder, elevator and flap single-axis control surface pairs that only experience significant load while maneuvering requires 15-25 maintenance man-hours to 1 flight hour.
...And how many of those maintenance man-hours go into the two fucking TURBINES?!

You know, those whirling tubes of metal blades that are partially engulfed in super heated gases?

>>14880564
I don't know what else could power a mecha other then gas turbines until we invent compact aneutronic fusion reactors.

Diesel engines might be viable but they're heavy, Nuclear fission is powerful but probably even heavier once you factor in enough lead/water shielding to avoid irradiating the pilot and bystanders. And the whole bad idea of putting a fission reactor on something liable to be destroyed or captured.

>>14881790
>Nuclear fission is powerful but probably even heavier once you factor in enough lead/water shielding to avoid irradiating the pilot and bystanders. And the whole bad idea of putting a fission reactor on something liable to be destroyed or captured.

It worked for SEED

>>14881790
>I don't know what else could power a mecha other then gas turbines until we invent compact aneutronic fusion reactors.
True enough, but the point is you were confusing the necessary lengthy maintenance solely for a highly complex power-plant over the entire vehicle.

Now I don't doubt the various high-powered servo-joints in a Mecha aren't going to require their own long maintenance routines, but I would think they would be modular for this very reason, on top of what I assume is a less maintenance intensive upkeep that comes with electric motors.

>>14880311
>I don't have any argument so i just call you retarded.

Classic

>>14881871
No matter what actuators you choose for a mecha on top of the complexity of them you also need to maintain a high performance powerplant to provide them with electrical or hydraulic energy.

Fighter jet engines are already modular, but even they take a large crew hours to swap out.

The energy consumption of a mecha would probably make an Abrams look like a Prius

>>14882210
>No matter what actuators you choose for a mecha on top of the complexity of them you also need to maintain a high performance powerplant to provide them with electrical or hydraulic energy.
>Fighter jet engines are already modular, but even they take a large crew hours to swap out.
>The energy consumption of a mecha would probably make an Abrams look like a Prius
Again, true enough, but we are talking the Military Industrial Complex here...

>>14882231
>The MIC is incredibly against risk taking, unless it can line their pockets.
EXACTLY!
They'd do this for the parts contracts alone.

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>>14882252
Well that depends on what you define as a mecha.

Gundams most certainly not.

>>14882280
>Gundams most certainly not.
At least not until we've got Space Colonies...

>>14882303
If you living as a 1 day fly, suuuure.

Eh, 10-15 years was not that long either.....
Hell, even thats being generous.

>>14882246
No, they wouldn't, because the MiC does not control the military, contrary to all the fucking memery that goes on with people who don't know jack fucking shit about government procurement process. And guess what, the military has no need for something so mechanically complex that does not solve any actual capability gaps.

>>14883324
To be fair, if the need arises, that'll change.

But the military cannot afford to present a request for something blindingly stupid and unneeded.

Congress already has a fond time shutting down legitimate programs as is.

>>14883324
>So mechanical complex
>Does not solves any actual capability gaps

We'll see anon, we'll see......

Btw, why deleting your previous post anon?
finds something new in wiki today?

>>14883471
There are multiple posters responding to your dumb ESL ass.

>>14883521
>I-Its not just me y-you b-baka

Oh, now goes on the road of denial i see....

Expected from someone that comes from /pol/

>>14883471
>only response is a "j-just you wait, it'll happen any day now!"
Are you a communist as well?

>>14883567
4chan is an English language website, and you are quite obviously not a fluent speaker.
This is not /pol/ shitposting, this is the truth.
Brush up on English or fuck off.

>>14883574
Still better than being a libertans cuck

>>14883592
>4chan is an English language website
>There's no requirement for being "fluent", but i'll add it anyway

Like a true /pol/

>>14855917
i think that comes from the fact mechs are possible more or less
but that battle is bullshit thought
but like stan lee said it's the writer who chooses the winner