Does anyone else think there's a severe lack of deflector

>>14854360
The idea really only works on battleships because with something the size of a mobile suit or other similar sized Mecha the power generator needed to create a deflector shield would take too much space and be very cumbersome.

>>14854450

Not really, considering I-Fields sorta do the same thing and everyone has those or an equivalent after a certain point in Gundam. That's not even counting non-gundam shows or Super Robots. They prefer for the mech to take damage instead of having a shield.

Also I forgot about AT-Fields and that's my bad. That's like the epitome of a deflector shield because it's the essential "no" barrier to attacks.

>>14854450
Do battleships use it? It seems like battleships are really fucking weak and blow up extremely easily when mobile suits decide they want to fuck up some ships.

>>14854360
as >>14854450 said.
I'll also add that forcefields are boring
I don't enjoy the "special gundam paintings" that make them immune to beam weaponry because that's not interesting. what's the fun in seeing someone take a barrage of attacks and walking out unharmed?

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>>14854467
>Do battleships use it?

I think they do. Also I took a picture of the aformentioned Holtzman Effect myself, because for as goofy as it is, a big blocky barrier around oneself is probably a more realistic forcefield that we'd get.

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>implying

I like the pinpoint barriers in Macross. They'll protect you from anything, but you can only protect one part of the unit at a time because they aren't very big barriers. Turning it into an invincible punch is a nice twist.

>>14854505
It can protect others, but not itself. Such is the curse of Goubain.

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Mainly because seeing machines blast each other into tiny metal pieces is the pinnacle of mecha porn. Where's the fun in seeing giant robots fight each other if you don't see armor plates being riddled with holes and limbs being torn off?

Did the Eye of Vogler have a barrier?

>>14854550

I don't remember, but did it even need one? Anything that wasn't Robo shut down when near it.

>>14854549

Because that makes it that much more tense when the barrier fails and the hero is suddenly open to attack.

Besides, literally every Zonder in GGG had a barrier and that didn't detract.

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>>14854511
>Such is the curse of Goubain.
Apparently "everyone constantly misspelling its name" is the real curse of Goubine.

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Nadesico had their distortion shields

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>>14854467
>Do battleships use it?

Did Gunbuster have a barrier in the OVA? I know it does in SRW, but all I remember in the show was the cape.

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>>14854467
>Do battleships use it?

>>14854618
The "barrier" it has in SRW is the inertial canceler, which was used defensively a couple times in the OVA (the most obvious instance was right after the Super Inazuma Kick in episode 5), but was mostly used for more standard inertial-canceling shenanigans (in order to make combat at relativistic speeds a possibility).

>>14854638

Well something that cancels inertia is for all intents and purposes a barrier if you can project it forward. Hard to hit something when you lose all inertia.

>>14854360
In the recently translated mecha game Vixen 357 for the Genesis, you get a mech the can give itself and its allies a sort of force field or energy shield that guards against most attacks until it takes enough damage. But you're right, that's the only example I can think of off the top of my head and it's pretty obscure.

>>14854467
Isn't the whole reason the enemy battleships in Arpeggio of Blue Steel are able to take over the world's oceans because they have forcefields and beam weapons when humans don't?

>>14854360
>and stuff like the Ide Barrier
I watched all of Gunbuster, I'm convinced that the Ide Barrier didn't actually do anything. They never seemed like they were in less danger when it was active, and half the time the Buff Clan could rip right through it.

>>14854664
>of Gunbuster
WOW I'm retarded. This is what I get for typing a post while reading one.

I meant all of Ideon.

>>14854660
Pretty much.

Their Klein field could tank all but the deadliest Fog weaponry like the Corrosive Warhead Torpedo or the battleship-mounted Super Graviton Cannon.

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There is pic related that was only used once because it wasn't a very smart thing to do and then there is the GN Field itself that is a more concentrated version of it

>>14855560
IIRC in the Manga the Fog Battleships and Assault and Suppression vessels (Carriers operating as glorified missile cruisers since Fog planes are no match for 4th-6th Gen Jet fighters) could tank NUKES with their Klein fields.

>>14854666
You got Gunbusted

>>14854511

Wasn't it only something they could on project to one spot because of a limited understanding of it in SDF? And something that they figured out and made in to a full on barrier by the time of Frontier at the least?

>>14855597

What was not smart about it? Seemed like a good impromptu thing to do to me, and frankly I was sad that it never got any further use. That, and the OO engine wash it made in only one scene.

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>>14859544
>Wasn't it only something they could on project to one spot because of a limited understanding of it in SDF?

No, it's because ot was never designed to protect the whole ship.

>And something that they figured out and made in to a full on barrier by the time of Frontier at the least?

That's the Omnidirectional Barrier, which has the problem that if it takes too much of a pounding, it bursts and erupts outwards, leaving the Macross untouched but annihilating everything around it. It was amazing when they were inside the enemy command ship, not so much when they were floating directly over Toronto.

Mercurius's planet defensers from Wing?

>>14859557
They never say it's Toronto, just a city in Ontario. Also IIRC it wasn't taking damage that causes the burst, it's that the ODB needs so much energy to maintain that it just naturally overloads after a certain point.

Holtzman shield would be the absolute worst type you could possibly have in a mecha series

>>14859573

I'm pretty sure Gundam beam weapons are not the same thing as Lasguns, we're not going to have nuclear explosions everywhere.

>>14854360
Meh, energy shields and the like make things too boring and clean as they usually end up pretty overpowered.

I like to see machinery shot up and destroyed with twisted steel and shattered metal.

>>14859544
>What was not smart about it?
Putting the thing that powers your MS to try and stop a beam shot is really not smart, it was, as you said, a impromptu thing that happened because it wasn't armed with anything aside from a single GN-Sword, so if he tried to tank a stronger shot he would just get destroyed

>>14859681

On the other hand, if a shot hits you it doesn't matter whether you have power or not since you're probably going to be out of commission, if not dead, regardless. Even if it had used it more regularly and as an actual feature that wouldn't change. Nor would it change if the enemy was using stronger beams. It'd mean deciding between thrust and defense, but as much as that is a conundrum from the character's point of view, it's one I appreciate as a viewer since it adds a tiny element of strategy to fights that otherwise isn't there.

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>>14854450
>The idea really only works on battleships because with something the size of a mobile suit or other similar sized Mecha the power generator needed to create a deflector shield would take too much space and be very cumbersome.
Yeah it's so difficult to make this believable.

>>14854360
It'd be neat if more had them, but I think you'd still get the sort of fight directing that has mooks jobbing fast regardless of them having extra shields/durability.

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>>14854360
Hideaki Anno used energy shields in a lot of his /m/ stuff. Most notable being the AT Field of course, but also Gunbuster and Nadia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5WhB4Q098c&index=16)

>>14859573

What would happen if you just flamethrower'd a motherfucker wearing a holtzman shield?

burning jellified diesel doesn't need to go fast.

>>14860215

That's not the issue. It's that certain weaponry like laser weapons if they come in contact with the shield, it results in sub-atomic fusion and a nuclear explosion.

Hence why they save the holtzman for melee or for allowing ships to warp.