Hey, could someone who watched Delta go down this list real quick

>>14827576
>-VF-25
Nope. VF-1 EX and VF-171 were the only returning ones

>-EX-Gear
Briefly

>-Macross Quarter-class
Nope. Macross Elysion was about twice as big

>-MDE missiles
Yep, hilariously

>-Those quantum decoherence cannons the VF-27 used.
I don't remember seeing this.

>>14827576

> 25

Nope. Just the slightly inferior 31, which is more specialized and not as generally useful.

> EX gear

Technically. Its mentioned by name, but its basically just the helmet during a pre-flight checkup, which is never once actually used. No one flies under EX gear power, rolls around on powered wheels, or is even seen walking around in it. It basically doesn't exist.

> Macross Quarter-class

Nope

> MDE

Its mentioned a fair amount, but its been relegated to a forbidden tech for being too dangerous to use. There are a couple of times where a MDE bomb is shown, but the days of putting them on missiles seem to be on the back burner until such a time as the shit really hits the fan.

> quantum cannons

Never mentioned.

The part of the galaxy Delta takes place is is a kind of shitty backwater that the NUN doesn't really care about. They don't have the most up to date tech.

So, not even worth watching for Frontier references. Damn.

Thanks guys.

>>14827667
>but its basically just the helmet during a pre-flight checkup, which is never once actually used. No one flies under EX gear power, rolls around on powered wheels, or is even seen walking around in it. It basically doesn't exist.

It was used once when Hayate was shot down. That's it.

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>>14827667
>Technically. Its mentioned by name, but its basically just the helmet during a pre-flight checkup, which is never once actually used

>>14827667
Wait, really? The 31 is worse? I'm mot expecting Durandal-tier stuff, but wasm't the 25 super basic and only really benefited from extermal load outs?

>>14827698

The 31 is effective a cheaper to produce VF 25 with similar specs that might have one or two incremental improvements, like the built in backpack cannon, but has the loadout it has built in will never be swapped out.

A 25 naked is inferior to a 31, but a 25 with the right loadouts can fight anything as long as it was given the right equipment for the mission. The 31 has a couple of extra thrusters you can bolt onto it for added space space and fuel, and that's literally the only addon it will ever have. Very specialized for idol support and in-air dogfighting and close range fire support. Can't do anything else diddly squat.

Its a bodguard tactical idol support and deployment vehicle. It was designed to protect singers and deploy/power the defense drones while fighting Var victims. Its not really a war machine.

If you deployed it halfway across the galaxy to fight a zentradi uprising, it would still be deployed with that damn power transmitter box for idol defense holodrones. Because thats not an addon for special missions, that's built into the plane. That's the role for which it was made.

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>>14827576
What about the slave mode? Did they ever use that?

>>14827798

Did Frontier ever use it?

>>14827770
>If you deployed it halfway across the galaxy to fight a zentradi uprising, it would still be deployed with that damn power transmitter box for idol defense holodrones. Because thats not an addon for special missions, that's built into the plane. That's the role for which it was made.
I want to see a Basara custom of this thing now.

>>14827818
Like once or twice IIRC at the beginning of the series when alto uses the training EX gear to jack a Messiah, and at the end of it when he blows up his bird for no good fucking reason

>>14827819
Basara would just remove all the weapons and demand that he can control it with his guitar. Probably paint it red too.

>>14827770
Strange. The YF-30 wasn't designed with any of that in mind

>>14827798
Didn't Hayate summon the 31f before jumping off the castle?

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>>14827770
The VF-31´s for Delta squad were customized specifically for them to work alongside Walkure

But the VF-31A does not have forward swept wings or the power transmitter for the multidrones or the multidrones themselves, we don't know what it has installed instead though.

>>14827914
No, Arad bought it to him

>>14827938
Okay, that makes sense. And that was episode 24? The F didn't look damaged, so why switch back to the J? Marketing? And I get that it was to honor Messer, but tacking his emblem and gray armor onto the 31J did not look good atball.

>>14827945

It wasn't even good for honoring Messer. There was no hype value in it, because Hayate had already flown Messer's plane proper. Hayate didn't avenge Messer because Keith committed wind-sudoku, and he didn't rise to Messer's level because he didn't accomplish anything in the finale and the few times we see him flying he is still rely on song buffs instead of his own skill.

Its just sort of something Delta did for the ending that doesn't have any meaning or impact. Its a filler scene.

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>>14827770
>The 31 has a couple of extra thrusters you can bolt onto it for added space space and fuel, and that's literally the only addon it will ever have.
What the hell are you talking about? The VF-31 adds tons of micro missile ports just like the VF-25 super pack. The VF-31 carries a beam gunpod/cannon, two forearm gunpods, two knives, two shields. It has double the defensive and offensive power compared to the VF-25 sans armor pack.

>>14827626
also VF21

>>14827839
I would be fine with that, based on other posts I've seen he's probably a better pilot than most of Delta's cast anyways

>>14827877
The Chronos was designed for use on a specific planet for when Macross-type vessels aren't available and as such would be nearly impossible to be found elsewhere

>>14827818
>Did Frontier ever use it?

Nigga, slave mode was invented in Frontier.

>>14827798
Delta Platoon has those fingernail computers like Walkure allowing them to remote control summon VF-31 Siegfrieds.

>>14827770
>Its a bodguard tactical idol support and deployment vehicle. It was designed to protect singers and deploy/power the defense drones while fighting Var victims. Its not really a war machine
Siegfried.
VF-31A, Kairos, is
>The 31 is effective a cheaper to produce VF 25 with similar specs
The A version have no build in drone dispensers afaik.
Siegfried was also optimized for low speed, high maneuverability flight relatively low to earth, as close support unit should be.

>>14827818
Twice in series, twice in movies.
>>14827877
Chronos is custumized Evolution, just like 25/27/29, designed for specific needs at moment. VF-31 is simply implementation of all cool stuff from last decade in one, cheaper, airframe.
>>14827945
Showing that he has grown and can fly on his own? Symbolism. Or marketing.
>>14828327
It suffers same fate as VF-22 - it lacks, at least in show, any options for customization. Messiah had basic super pack, armored, sniper pack, EW for Luca, stupid sexy Tornado pack. Sure, 31 can customize it's loadout internally thanks to turret/pod taken from Chronos but it came with that sound booster and basic space use superpack. Different design philosophies, VF-25 is modular while 31 is marketed as multirole machine, especially for colonies that aren't wealthy, like Frontier or Galaxy fleets were. It was designed as replacement for old fleets of VF-17/171. Also, suplemental materials mention that really backwater systems still use even older hardware - VF-1 are still a thing apparently.

>>14828456
VF-22.

>>14830005

I thought the VF-1 ceased production in 2013 in favour of the VF-4? How are people still using them on really far out colonies? Are militaries just selling off old stock, so some parts out in the boonies end up with 5th hand VF-1s because they've gone through so many hands?

Hayates insignia wasnt the Grim Reaper.

>>14830081
There were two Vf-1's in Delta, The Ride included few, thou those were surplus unit modified for air racing. Many valks ended in private ownership, as pretty much whole population post war was eighter on a colony ship or on New Eden and with rogue fleets of militaristic giants everywhere, any weapon is better than no weapon. And air/space racing is a thing in macrossverse, as are giant robots in various competition - aftermentioned The Ride had valk fighting, gladiator style.
Basically, it is as you described, thou again, it seems by Delta most of colonies upgraded their inventory to VF-17 family - then again, on El Shahal original destroids and zentradi pods were used.

>>14830134

Well those weren't VF-1s, they were VF-1EXs. Which may seem pedantic, but they were probably built from conception intended to be EXs, not retrofitted to become such. Which would mean not just a different cockpit,but different engine at the very least. The VF-1 that Basara pilots in the first or second episode of Dynamite, which takes place 25 odd years before Delta, has a new engine that allows it to achieve orbital exit solo despite having two seats, which the normal VF-1 couldn't do. And that was a civilian model. If that has a new engine I cannot imagine the ones in Delta don't.

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>>14830262
>has a new engine
Just like pic related?
Look at last gen planes in USA service for a good example, those are mostly old airframes with upgrade packages for avionics and engines, exactly as described by you. I do not deny that birds flown in Delta weren't modern replicas but it has been showing Frontier that adding EXGear to valkirie is relatively simple plug and play endeavour, as it seems to replace cockpit controls. Thing is, we do not know eighter way at the moment

>>14828456
That wasn't from Frontier. I don't think it ever showed up in Frontier.

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>>14827770

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Taking advantage of a Macross Delta thread being up, anyone have good quality screencaps of the windermere VFs and their swords from the finale?

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>>14830970
Just a webm.

So, what's your favorite of the Walkure VFs? I'd go with Messers, though I'm not a fan of the back emblem nor most of the head. It's mostly the way the antennae/head guns stick out.

Since we're talking Macross I guess I'll ask here. When Hikaru shows up in games, do they use existing audio from his VA or did they get a replacement?

>>14827770
>>14827698

Were the fold quartz sections of the airframe only exclusive to the custom variants or had they become standard feature? I remember a lot of talk when we noticed that they had integrated it into the areas around the cockpit (those shiny purple bits on the side of the cockpit near the wings)

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>>14831078
Kairos, seconded by Chuck's.
>>14831126
This is a grunt variant for comparison. Honestly no idea at the moment.

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>>14831095
They got a replacement for all the games since the PS2 game.

>>14831078
Messer's 31F is my favorite too, I like the shinigami logo but I agree about the head, then it would be de Kairos followed by Mirage's 31C which has the best head IMO.

The VF-25 is better as a grunt machine if you can give it the right equipment for the job. It has a lot of equipment, but most of the time the general purpose Super/Armor/Tornado packs should do the trick unless you really need specialised gear like for EW and whatnot in which case you get the specialised variants.
The 31, well, from what we've seen it doesn't have much equipment loadout choices. There isn't an Armor pack option at all, so they are stuck with the boosters in space, but they don't have external options for atmospheric conditions.

The 31 is much more reliant on its built-in weaponry while the 25 is more reliant on its external hardware.

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>>14830970
>>14831011
bumping for this

>>14832275
Is there anything that explains what the fuck that green dish on the backpack is? It's bugged me for a while now.

>>14833910

It sends out an energy pulse that recharges the flying shield/holodrones that Walkure used for the first few episodes. The holodrones small size means that they can only operate for a few minutes without running low on power.

We see Delta having to recharge the drones mid-fight during the preview version of episode one. However, that scene was cut from the aired version of the first episode, and that functionality never came up again. Indeed, outside of one instance towards the end on Windemere, after something like episode 4 Walkure never uses the drones. Windemere hacks the drones one time, Reina says she fixed that security flaw, and then they are basically forgotten about. Even when they show up near the end, everyone kind of forgets that they can make barriers. In the first episode the can stop Regult mounted beam cannons, but on windemere Maki gets shot by a rifle because no one is smart enough to turn on the shield barrier.

So, in the end, that little recharging box thing is just sort of dead weight and an artifact of an earlier script.

>>14833980
Thanks. That always stood out to me. Honestly it seems like a waste of precious space to build that equipment into the fuselage itself, even if they remembered to use them more often. You could easily replace all that with more missiles or a second beam cannon. It's not like the drones could be used in say, space.