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What the fuck is the deal with modern Hollywood and these really

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What the fuck is the deal with modern Hollywood and these really messy overdesigns these days?

From the Transformers designs from the films, to the Narada, Enterprise and Drone Ships/soldiers in Star Trek films to basically every mechanical robot/anything in any Marvel/Disney film, now the same with Power Rangers.

Why in fuck are all these designs so busy, over the top and overdesigned? Why does Hollywood keep doing these awful redesigns? Why is often fan-art 10000x better and more true to the design than the shit we get officially?
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>>14821971
Frankly i dont understand this fuck up

i hope its not real

I think the Ivan Oooz armour was perfect.

these rangers look almost more like Ivan Ooz then Power Rangers
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>Once again Fans do better work than the people paid to do the work.

The problem is now you have CGI and people want to do "Ultra-super realistic" designs of everything. There's nothing holding designers back when they work in CGI.
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They're just trying too hard to move away from what they think is cheesy. So instead they go for extreme "realism", and by realism I mean grit and detail abuse. Simple is childish! Blame human psychology having a really hard time with the concept of "middle ground".
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>>14821990
>i hope its not real
The trailers are already out
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>>14821971
Frequently people will see something harder to visually comprehend and think that it is more complex than it necessarily is.
So, if you want to sell something mechanical as "adult" or "realistic" just greeble the shit out of it. Most people won't really understand why it's so complex looking and that's why they'll theoretically like it more.

>>14822002
This.
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>>14821971
Greebles son. The simple fact is, in the high-def, COD-Modern Warfare age, something simple that isn't dirtied up or greebled up looks plain and cheap to people and they don't believe it. Studios make things overdesigned because people eat it up as gritty and realistic.

It's the same way that when they do bloodied-up scenes for stage or screen, they often make the blood much darker and thicker than it should be. Because otherwise people look at the bright red and think it's fake. Or how Bacon and Eggs was never a traditional breakfast before the twentieth century, and was an invention shoved into homey TV shows to move product. They invented a tradition strictly to sell shit. Almost everything made by men for profit, for marketing, is both pandering and manipulative.
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I really hope they keep the stereotypes:

Black ranger is black
Yellow ranger is asian
Pink ranger is white woman
**and blue ranger is a fag :^)**
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How's this?
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>>14822026
>The simple fact is, in the high-def, COD-Modern Warfare age

Greebles long predate this era.
It was the cheap go to method of making a model prop look more complex than it really was, go look at star wars and count how many of the props are just a general structure coated in model kit sprues.

Detail = good has embedded itself within visual effects culture for quite a while.
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>>14822045
KATOKI!!!
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>>14822042
They just traded them around. Nigga is blue now.

>>14822045
Limb proportions look stretched out, makes it look weird
Otherwise it's neat, if kinda scrawny
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>>14822056
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Holyshit, I mean Hollywood is filled with shit
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>>14822002
>Simple is childish! Blame human psychology having a really hard time with the concept of "middle ground".
While I agree with the statement, there's nothing wrong with making a franchise for kids look childish.
Its tiresome that people need to make kid stuff more mature because they can't move on.
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>>14822045
Pretty cool IMO.

>>14822050
This is true.
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>>14822091
Pretty sure he's using the statement to illustrate a general demeanor and attitude rather than to say how he feels himself about it.
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>>14821971

It's a simple answer. Money. Transformers made money. Iron man made money. So now the zords are transformers and the suits are iron man with minor twists. Even if the artist they hired turned in something we would actually like, people that worry about the profit and marketing will make requests to adjust it.
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>>14822091
>Its tiresome that people need to make kid stuff more mature because they can't move on.

were you raped as child and later hit your head during rough play? Because if you had a functioning brain, you would understand you're posting this on /m/ in an otaku cyber blackboard
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why is the asian replaced by a spic?
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Question related: What makes Japan so good at aesthetic design?

When I was in Japan, one of the major things I noticed was how fucking amazing everything was aesthetically designed. Everything was simplistic and clean, but so good looking, from the buildings to even the fashion and this flows through to Anime as well I think.

I've heard this stems back to Shintoism and Hokusai, but does anyone have details on why?
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>>14822145
They had a lot of time to indulge in art back in the day in between internal conquests and the frequent relocation of the capital.
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>>14822050
Models even win contest through raw overuse of detail
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>>14822135
some spics are asian
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>>14822156
To be fair at a competitive level detail overload comes with it the implication you have a good level of skill at maintaining the structural integrity of your model, otherwise it'd collapse under its own weight.
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>>14822163
Get your yellow fever checked, gooklover
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>>14822045
Star Wars and Star Trek have always both struck a balance between minimalism and 'realism'.

There was a Trekyards episode with the guy who designed the new Enterprise you see at the end of Beyond, and one of the first things he said was when he looked at the JJprise was "it was just too much, it must have been designed by committee because everything was just way too much". The guy that designed the new Enterprise-A at the end of Beyond also comes from the car industry, designing new cars, so obviously, he has real world design experience.

I think a lot of the problem with these new Hollywood designs is that they come from already established Hollywood design studios where a sort of echo-chamber occurs. That's why all these new designs these days look the same.
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>>14822045
>C3PO ver Ka
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>>14821999

I like this design.
Any more of this? How about the rest of the rangers?
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>>14822135

Cause her spic titties are cute.
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>>14822135
She was hispanic in the pilot
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>>14822230
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>>14822230
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/action/fan-art-awesome-new-artwork-reimagines-power-rangers-movie-suits-into-a142517
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>>14822135

Cause Black Ranger is already Asian you dumby. You don't want to overload the team with Asians. Plus Becky has a fine latin booty.
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>>14822252
That's cool, kinda reminds me of warframe.
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>>14821971
Pretty much this.

The movie suits sucks.
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Will there even be megazords in this t hing or are they "too childish"?
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Or like how Axanar has better ship designs than JJ-Trek?
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>>14822266
>You don't want to overload the team with Asians
Yeah cuz then you have sentai and those shows are better than power rangers. And people don't even want that mediocre quality, they only want movies to appeal to their nostalgia.
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>>14822289
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>>14822163
are you fucking retarded? spic isn't a race, there are black, whites, asians, etc inside the spic category
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>>14822286
umm, the Axanar ships are BASED on the JJ stuff, just corrected to match Prime Trek a bit more.
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>>14821971
>complaining about the suits
>more of an issue than the fact that the reboot is stomping on everything that was the original and turning it into a generic super hero movie like all the others released in the past 5 years
Call me a hipster, but I wish they'd just come up with something new and different rather than rebooting old, dead brands and making us hate them.
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>>14822309
>tfw I read the whole pic
it was a trip between cringe and sadness

I know there is a parallel universe without power rangers.
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>>14821971
Why do they look like the drift suits from pacific rim?
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>>14822340
That'd be nice, but unfortunately the things we're talking about go hand-in-hand.
Boardrooms decide that taking risks isn't worth it because old stuff makes money, hence reboots.
Boardrooms decide old material doesn't look like people'd like it, so it gets redesigned
etc etc.
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The designs from the 1995 movie did a fine job of making the Rangers' suits look more "realistic" without overdesigning them and while keeping the iconic look of the costumes intact.

These new suits I'd have a hard time recognizing as Power Rangers without the colors and even then they still look like some DA "reboot" fanart someone threw together.
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>>14822309
That some right horrid macro pictures right there.
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>>14822401
Hmm, Red's helmet is a bit on the chunky side
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>>14821971

The more I look at it the more it seems like whoever designed these is embarrassed of the source material.
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>>14822525
Didn't the helmets have lights built into them? I think that might be why the heads are a bit misshapen,
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>>14822266
hold the fuck up, where is that his res '95 concept art from?
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>>14822553

Only Yellow's for one brief scene, which was a different helmet entirely.

Red did have a "Power Scope" though, which put a Cylon-esque light bar over his visor in the same scene.
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>>14822543
That's every adaptation now
>can't have superman have underwear
>can't have hawkeye purple n shit
>can't give the thing pants

Granted in those cases it was kinda reasonable(except the pants thing), but this is more along the lines of someone trying way too hard
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They're not just using the ToQger suits? They'd save more money if they did that.
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>>14822401
Looks a bit too plasticy with how much reflection it has. I wouldn't mind a newer design of the suits but OP image just seem to not work on every level.
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>>14822282
They are
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>>14822618
The Thing only ever had pants briefly.
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>>14823062
I think he means the fact that the Thing was naked in the new F4 movie
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>>14823065
Oh, right.

But why talk about Fantastic Four movies when we could be talking about The Thing?
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>>14821971
I don't even understand the point of doing this. I mean, wasn't the whole point of Power Rangers to save costs by reusing Japanese footage? So why go through the effort of making a whole movie from scratch? In fact, I just realized I never really got the point of Power Rangers in the first place, if they're trying to save money why even go through the trouble of hiring new actors and remaking half of the scenes and writing a new plot instead of just dubbing sentai?
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Because it has to looks DARK and EDGY and MATUUUUUUUURE.
Blame new Batman and Superman for that bullshit.
They now know they can sell superhero crap as long it's DARK and EDGY.
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>>14823077
i know right?
>japanese are kind enough to design them a new brand zord
>good goy, that looks expensive, we'll just use your footage
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>>14823077
Haim tried to sell. a dub, it didn't work. Plus, DYNAMAN is a thing that happened
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>>14823079
>Blame new Batman and Superman for that bullshit.
Also the first X-Men movie, which didn't use the original colorful X-Men uniforms but had everyone wearing black instead. And also the first Spiderman movie having that awful looking Green Goblin because having a grown man wearing a gobling suit was too silly so they had to make it tacticool. And also the Bayformers.
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>>14823077
dirty fucking money grubbing jews
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>>14823079
Really only batman begins is at fault for that

And even then half the time it works, like for what they did with James Bond and casino Royale.

The problem with this isn't that it's grim and edgy, it's the fact that it doesn't have any idea what the fuck it is

>high school goofy stuff
>no wait now it's breakfast club
>no wait now it's Superheros
>no it's like bayformers

This movie just brings to mind that dragonball movie that no one likes
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>>14823091
>having a grown man wearing a gobling suit was too silly
It literally looked as silly as the comic, it actually looked like something from power rangers. Plus those Spider-mans were far from the grim dark meme
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>>14823094
Batman Begins is like 70% lifted from Batman: Year One so you can't even really blame the movie
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what the hell with the filter

do american hates color?
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Just saw the trailer. Too much angst. Fucking dark and gloomy tone. Just fucked up the origin story.
It's another let's make it super "mature" show and dance because god forbid you try to keep the light and fun aspect of the original. This is not a kid movie based on a kid's franchise this is a wank fest for grown ass retards who barely remember the original. There's this weird thing with people in the west where they are nostalgic super hard for shit they didn't really consume as a child but instead nostalgic for it by proxy. And when they are nostalgic for it there is this urge to shit on it or wish that it be corrupted in order to feel validated in enjoying it.
It's kind of disturbing. Like there are people who can't enjoy old Disney characters or movies without making some negative remark or going out of their way to defile it's innocence like doing a Mickey voice and saying vulgur things. This movie and to a greater extent that fan movie from a few years back are prime examples. Just go look at the Facebook or Twitter comments. It's full of people admitting they either never watch or did but are looking forward to this because it's "dark" or "mature",
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Max Landis is a good writer guys. Guys? I'm serious, guuuys?
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>>14823099
grimdark
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>>14822045
I just got KATOKI'D
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>>14821971
It's okay, I guess. At least it's not
>No tights
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>>14823116
>This is not a kid movie based on a kid's franchise this is a wank fest for grown ass retards who barely remember the original.
That pisses me off more than anything. Children aren't going to want to see this. If it's not bad enough the average child in the US doesn't like action adventure type tv or films they go and make this trash.
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>>14823116
>Just go look at the Facebook or Twitter comments. It's full of people admitting they either never watch or did but are looking forward to this because it's "dark" or "mature",
Most of these people aren't gonna see it regardless, it looks no different than the superhero shit that comes out every month. Star Wars 7 and Jurassic park 4 where huge whores to nostalgia but made money because their brands were unlikable despite how slavish they were to pandering.

>>14823118
Max landis wrote this? Oh man it's dead before arrival
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>>14823135
No
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>>14823118
>"oh it looks like that shitty movie I made. Better let everyone know."
How full of himself is this asshole? Just because his dad made some good movies
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>>14821971
>What the fuck is the deal with modern Hollywood and these really messy overdesigns these days? From the Transformers designs from the films, to the Narada, Enterprise and Drone Ships/soldiers in Star Trek films to basically every mechanical robot/anything in any Marvel/Disney film, now the same with Power Rangers.Why in fuck are all these designs so busy, over the top and overdesigned? Why does Hollywood keep doing these awful redesigns? Why is often fan-art 10000x better and more true to the design than the shit we get officially?

Have you looked recently at the overdesigned shit the Japanese are passing for mecha these days ? Hollywood isn't doing anything different. Same overdesigned shit. Artists took over, the real mecha designers were thrown out the window.

The day when Gundams (and their like) get rid of their stupid spikes will be a great day for mecha design.
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>>14823116
The moment they spend nearly half the trailer showing off teenage angst was the moment I just gave up on the whole thing. I could maybe stand the dumb costume but I just know they are going to spend half the fucking movie dealing with "outcast" teens. Just have Zordon talk about teen imagination or some bullshit that doesn't matter because people will just say ok because it's Power Rangers. Teleport a group of teens from over the world (just say the magic coins give them the ability to understand each other) and have them fight evil. No angst, no high school drama, not any of the dumb shit people want to see in a Power Ranger movie. Yeah the first movie was awful but it at least was more in line with how the actual show was.
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>spics and beaners: the thread
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>>14822127
> if you had a functioning brain, you would understand you're posting this on /m/ in an otaku cyber blackboard
....so? That doesnt contradict my statement in any way. Lots of people here accept their liking for kids IPs.
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>>14822045
Katoki, but still fits the aesthetics of the Original Trilogy setting.
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>>14821971
HD, son, it allows lot of details so...they have to show to justify it.

>Soldiers in Star Trek films

Just a couple of days ago saw ST beyond and couldn't help but laught at those ventilators the villain had in the shoulders, it was like those steampunks costumes with gears glued to the hats.
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>>14823116
This immature ideal that you can't like something "childish" is more childish than any toy commercial show.
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>>14822310
Fuck you taco-muncher, that's a dirty fucking spic, not an asian.
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>>14823099
Colors aren't gritty and realistic, fun isn't either
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>>14821971
holy fuck just watched this
it is hot garbage
can't wait for them to ruin the megazord and make it a combiner of US fighters
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>>14823116
I just hope this is another Fant4stic level flop honestly.
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>>14823586
If it's not be prepared for a power rangers cinematic universe
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Part of me almost wants this to succeed and get sequel just to see if they would do the green ranger storyline and how they would butcher it.
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>>14823559
>just watched this
>movie doesn't come out until March 2017
?
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>>14823099

The real world is desaturated and grainy, anon. Go outside for once.
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>>14823657
Pretty sure he meant the trailer.
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>>14823643
It's kind of impossible unless they are planning on making it a 2 part movie (which with how harry potter and other movies been they might actually try it).
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>>14823675
no, surely they will shove it in the last 10 minutes of the movie
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>>14823675
What do you think the stinger of the movie will be anon?
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>>14823675
No movie is made nowadays without setting up for a cinematic universe. Like>>14823688 said it's gonna be the stinger to tie in for a sequel so that way even if when the movie is shit they can be more or less assured that retarded fanboys and nostalgia drones will make it a success just because "well there is no way they will fuck up the green ranger!"
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>>14823668
Oh
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The trailer for the movie honestly wasn't that bad

It's worst crime is not really being PR but just another bog standard super hero coming of age story

It will probably be okay and then everyone will forget about it
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>>14823710
>there is no way they will fuck up the green ranger!
they will skip it and go for white right ahead
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>>14823732
Maybe but they might think people remember the Green Ranger more than the White. Think people remember the whole flute dagger and giant Godzilla wannabe more than the talking sword.
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>>14823762
>talking sword
I don't remember that
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>>14823780
White Ranger's sword had a talking head as a pommel
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>>14823780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XofCWiRz6tg
That's kind of my point. While looks cool no one really remember anything about the White Ranger. While people remember tons of shit about Green Ranger.
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>>14821971
I wouldn't mind the suits if at least were possible to recognize the animal that each one represents. They could at leat put some horns in the blue and some fangs in the yellow
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>>14823721
I'll watch it because the black ranger is cute.
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>>14822340
But the original stole footage from japan and added xtreme americans, itwas stupid trash
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I'm being 100% serious, when I think any major new power rangers film should more be an adaption of Akibaranger.

Big, stupid as fuck comedy movie along the lines of 21 Jump Street or something. Playing up the cheesyness of Sentai.

If done well, would be fucking amazing like Akiba was.

That being said, would probably turn out like Ghostbusters or Pixels.
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>>14825248
Then why the fuck reboot stupid trash?

Either way it's not like they're rebooting it to be something half decent and memorable in the first place. It'll literally be like every other super hero movie released in the past 5 years.
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>>14822171
Not to mention it's a good chance to show off your painting skill as well.
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>>14825258
>Big, stupid as fuck comedy movie along the lines of 21 Jump Street or something.

>21 Jump Street with toku instead of a buddy-cop set-up

I want to see this so badly now, you have no idea.
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>>14823785
>tons of shit about Green Ranger.
At most they remember when he was evil but nobody remembers when he grew giant or any other real specifics.
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>>14821971
Honestly the only thing I dislike is their helmet shapes, and I'd prefer they have a belt-glowing thing or a chest glowing thing not both.
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>>14825547
21 Jump Street as a toku
Didn't someone already do that with Tomica Hero Rescue Force?
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>>14825588
I mean they remember him having a flute dagger to control not Godzilla and a few other things. Much more than anything White Ranger did. I was mostly talking about how >>14823732 was talking about going straight to White when no one really remembers White outside of maybe his entrance with him coming down. Outside that no one really remember anything really of note.
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Its the tendencies of western designers and sponsors wanting designs with nothing but worthless greeble.

They think that having millions and millions of greeble on a machine or weapon makes its realistic, but the truth is that machinery and weapons tend to try to keep their surfaces and parts smooth and clean if they don't need some detailed shit for whatever purposes.
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>>14821971
> No actual Martial Artists as actors.
> Not teenagers.
> No attitude.
> Little to no Zords
> Zords being CGI.
> Not campy.
yeah no, fuck this
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I always assumed the regular posters on this board started with MMPR as children and then leveled up to sentai when they learned better. A lot of posts in this thread lead me to believe you guys never cared about MMPR and went straight to sentai somehow. How did that happen? Were your parents sentai fans and got you started before MMPR was a thing or are you guys 40-50 years old?
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>>14822401
I always thought their brows were a bit too bulbous, but those designs are FAR better than what we are getting with this movie.
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>>14830247

It's very possible for younger people to have skipped Power Rangers altogether and started from Sentai through the internet.

For older ones, maybe they aren't American? Sentai used to air in some western countries like France and Brazil before Power Rangers started.
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>>14830247
I grew up in Hawaii and there was a basic cable Japanese channel that simulcast sentai and rider every year.

I actually watched Dairanger when it aired and got to meet Tetsuo Kurata in person twice when I was a kid. Every time Hiroshi Miyauchi and Kenji Ohba came to Hawaii for a meet and greet from 1991 to 1999 I went as well to the point Ohba actually started recognizing me every year.
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>>14830247
>Non Americans that got dub Sentai
>People hearing about Power Rangers but never watched it (too young, parents never let them because violence, ect) and when they had the chance to look it up online they saw sub of Sentai and decided to watch that instead
>Watched an episodes and felt it was dumb but was willing to give the Japanese version a shot and enjoyed that
There's a few ways it could work. Personally I started with MMPR and continue to watch it until Turbo which since it was around 3-4 years later guess I grew out of it (that and Turbo is just no that good) and stopped. Few years ago I decided to see what I missed by watching the Sentai and really enjoyed it and never really bothered to return to Power Rangers even if I still have fond memories of it.
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>>14830294
Turbo was indeed shit, but you missed In Space?
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>>14830247
Non-American here, I started on dubbed Sentai, then Power Rangers came out and we got that as well.
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>>14830307
Watched here and there but never bothered keeping up. Did watch the last few episodes of it so I did watch the height of it. Guess the issue was that I was at the right age when MMPR came out in 93 (was about 8) so when Turbo was starting I was in middle school and grew out of it. So even if Turbo wasn't shit I most likely would have started to stop watching it anyways.
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>>14825588
how lazy you gotta be that insteada havin a zord, you make the guy 'giant', which is just the suit actor walking around on the city model set
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>>14823785
> Holy shit Tommy's goofy there wtf
> Look up original, pic related
Well that explains it.
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>>14830357
I honestly felt something was off about the original Yellow Power Ranger. Later learned it was a guy which explain some things.
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>>14830287
>Gavan will never recognize you because you saw him every year

Damn, I'm jelly
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>>14822240
What a disgusting, fat pig.
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>>14822309
The one potentially unintentional bit of actual irony in there is the Gavan/Gokaiger post saying to crush all bootlegs. Because evil Gavan was Gavan Bootleg.
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>>14830270
>France
One could almost imagine the collective disappointment/frustration that set in when MMPR started airing there.
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>>14834789
Ah ah bioh what the fuck is this shit
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>>14830375
>Why do so many of these girl Yellow Rangers not have skirts?
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>>14834921
Not just that. You can kind of see in the way they fight that they act differently than the Pink Ranger who is always played by a girl.
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>>14830247
Well, I'm Brazilian, we had a shitload of tokusatsu before Power Rangers, and I remember thinking Power Rangers was really lame as a kid (although my friends and schoolmates loved it). Which is why I asked:
>>14823077
Why didn't Americans just dub Sentai like we (and several other countries) did? I mean, wouldn't it be better to either go full low effort and just dub all the scenes or go full high effort and create an original toku series?
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>>14835191
Saban was composed of nothing but blithering retards. Look at how bad they dubbed anime or the abortion that was masked Rider to understand.
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it looks like a cross between Power Rangers and the Breakfast Club, directed by Michael Bay.
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>>14835377
I saw someone call it a cross between Chronicle and the Breakfast Club. They're not wrong IMO
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>>14835433
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ0tPenHDl0

Most likely from this
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>>14821971
Whoever design this should learn from The First/The Next on how to modernized the design from the original
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>>14821999
> There's nothing holding designers back when they work in CGI.
I thought it also cost a lot to CGI when the design have many details like transformer?
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>>14823099
>wewanttheInstagram audience.jpg

They really want the Instagram audience.
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>>14822109
so the new power rangers movie is transformers + iron man?
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>>14822309
nothing looks wrong here
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>>14823099
i think it mostly synder attempting to make the film look more dramatic but it doesn't usually work that well
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>>14823099
Fuck, are you kidding me?
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