This was a pretty bad manga. But it couldn't be helped,

>>14789243
You're right.

end your life.

>>14789309
Even that would be better than reading Matsumoto.

>>14789315
this

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Harlock Thread?
Harlock thread.
So ive seen the original series, Arcadia of my Youth, and Harlock Saga. What should I watch next? How is the original manga? Real opinions please.

Lazy Matsumoto is the meme /m/ deserves.

Matsumoto's idea for 999 was so shitty they had to include Harlock, it's one of his better concepts

>>14789321
>How is the original manga? Real opinions please.

It's pretty bad as OP already stated.

>>14789323
One of his better concepts and it's still pretty bad. Says a lot about Lazy.

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>This character design
>Good
Pick one and only one

>>14789328
>this character design was so shit that Toei got rid of it themselves

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What is it ? A lazy Matsumoto tread, sweet I guess this is the place to post the french scans of Danguard Ace, making new tread for those isn't really worth it.

Again, Danguard Ace is pretty mediocre, but Matsumoto is a nice artist, sometimes.

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>>14789434
Did you bought some other stuff from blackbox?
Like the grendizer manga.

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>>14789532
Yes I do. But Grendizer is scan I guess ? And While Danguard is 2 volumes long, grendizer is 5, it take way more time to scan.

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>>14789540
I'm just asking because I thought about buying them but it was kinda expensive.

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>>14789540
That was some poor gramar right here, I was talking to someone else while writting and didn't realise it.

I did buy nearly all the late Black Box realase, but the amout of time required for scaning them all is way more that I could invest. I guess I could do scans bit by bit like here, but it will be quite slow, irregular and with poor quality scans.
Do you have a list of non-scaned manga that are published in France ?

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>>14789544
If you can buy it and speak french I will not scan it just for you, buy them. It's expensive but black box is a small editor and every purchase count for them.
I scan Danguard only because it's not scanned anywhere else.

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>>14789561
Don't worry bro, I'm not asking for scans.
Just wondering if it was a good read since I don't into scans for the most part and I don't want to spend all my money on chinese toilet paper comics.
Same reason I'm not too sure about buying Kimmekumi High School or Divine comedy.

As for your questions about french translations of manga that aren't scaned, I dunno sorry.

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>>14789571
If you liked the two mazinger, it could be a nice conclusion to those. But the artstyle is quite poor, and sometimes just terrible, plus it's episodic like the other two Mazinger.

I buy them only because they were the first wave of Nagai publication, and I wasn't expecting any more, so I buy all the things in a cash converter. Today, I would not buy them, just stick to Mazinger unless you really liked Goldorack when you were younger, or if you really want an end to the story of the various pilot.

Divine comedy is interesting if you like Nagai and want to see one of his influence, but it's also forgettable.

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And that's it, more next week.

>>14789610
Ok cool.
It's nice to have such a lot of choices in the french editions.
Too bad it can get hard to find stuff that was published after a few years sometimes.

I reccomend the Wingman manga that was barely scanlated but is fully available in a new deluxe french edition.

>>14789629
Wingman is very interesting and yet very irregular work, the begining is quite engaging but it's became too repetitive after a fex volumes.

I may still buy it, and scan it if there is no other source.

France is a good country for old manga, but like you said, there is no reprint, and no ishinomori either.

>>14789688
We got the Ishonomori Zelda comic from nintendo power and Kamen Rider (I should probably buy that).
009 publishing was fucking bullshit though. they upped the price even if it was already a pretty expensive book because "not enough sales" and then dropped it.

>>14789713
And yet it's one of the most complete edition of Cyborg.
Glénat is a terrible editor, the only thing they care about is dragon ball and maybe akira.
Delacourt is shit too.

I feel the Lazy Matsumoto is a fresh air of change to this board.

We are hitting too hivemind-ish lately.

>>14789729
Dunno about Delcourt, recently they have been publishing some really good gegika like Hiroshi Hirata stuff.
Panini comics really pissed me off by not reprinting Lone wolf & cub though.

>>14789243
What does OP meant by that?

>>14789737
The solution to hiveminding is not shitposting/contrarianism/bait opinions.

Hiveminding isn't even bad. It's hugboxing that is.

>>14789243
I liked it. Haven't read it in a while though.

>>14789806
It is the exact solution though, to shift the hivemind.

And fuck, hivemind and hugboxes are the same shit.

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>>14789243
>Autist gets his thread deleted
>Makes another one

When are you going to learn your lesson?
By the way, what the manga covers is vastly superior to the anime. Not stuck on earth every few episodes tending to some annoying loli.

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>>14789566
Cool page, anon. Thanks for the scans. The plane designs are really fantastic.

>>14789973
There is no hivemind since Leiji threads were hardly ever made until OP starting making these threads. He also goes completely silent when proven wrong.
https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/14723325/#14729949

>>14790316
The previous thread didn't break any rules. The mod is just a butthurt matsumotofag who enjoys terrible art

>>14789434
>sometimes

That's the magic word. He can do some nice stuff when he's not being lazy. Which is in very rare occasions I must say.

>>14789729
The italian edition of 009 started at the same time of the french one and they released the whole series in in less than 2 years. Ryu no Michi on the orher hand was dropped after one single volume was released, but at least we got complete Genshi Shonen Ryu. France had Sabu and Ichi and Kyzuryu, though, which is nice.

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>>14790457
Sure, anon, sure.

>>14790527
Maetel body melted or something?

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Reminder OP said fucking Gosaku Ota is a better artist than Leiji Matsumoto.

I don't think Leiji is the best of the classic cartoony post-Tezuka artists at drawing actual comics; he was better at drawing pin-ups but he's definitely not Tezuka or Ishinomori level at comic making. But he's still good - his sillier designs are very unique (>>14789328 is good, fuck off) and look unlike the cartoony characters of Tezuka, Nagai, Ishinomori etc. His cool designs are very iconic and imposing and his inking is very personal (OP says it's "the worst thing about his art" without actually giving reasons). He admittedly takes female design recycling to a new level but there's still more good than bad about his art. And OP hating on his paneling is just stupid.

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>>14790557
Oh and it's fucking retarded to say shit like "X is the WORST artist from his era" about an era where you weren't even born, a lot of stuff from it not even being vaguely remembered let alone available online. Your judgment on the "state of the industry" in the 60s and 70s is based entirely on things people liked enough that they scanned and posted online and/or rereleased in stores in modern days.

>>14790557
>Gosaku Ota is a better artist than Leiji Matsumoto.
He is.

Ota learnt from the best, Ishimori.

>>14790586
Being an assistant to a good artist doesn't mean you're gonna be good, similarly being an assistant for a meh artist doesn't mean you can't get better than them. I think Eiichiro Oda quickly got better than Nobuhiro Watsuki for example.

The only thing Ota was particularly good at was comedy faces; too bad he focused on action manga instead of comedy manga. I also can't help but wonder if the only good drawings by "him" were done by other people since Dynamic Pro people drew each other's stuff a lot. An entire story arc in Nagai's Grendizer was obviously drawn by Ishikawa and not even credited.

>>14790605
Grendizer is a better manga than Danguard Ace that was posted in this very thread (it's shit)

Therefore Ota > Lazy Matsumoto

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>>14790614
Nagai Grendizer might not be the man's best manga but at least it's drawn well enough for the action to work and the characters don't randomly turn into deformed midgets when the artist runs out of time

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>>14790627
>deformed midgets

And you're the one praising Lazy's art here? How ironic.

>>14790639
I've skimmed through a bunch of Leiji manga and couldn't find a single overt instance of characters that are meant to be normal or tall turning into midgets. In Ota's manga it CONSTANTLY happens and it feels like a weird-ass shortcut he uses. I thought it might be a misguided "funny" thing but then it happens during some of the most serious and dramatic moments.

Even happens to Grendizer itself.

>>14790557
Why do you always repeat the same things again and again and again? Don't you think that at some point it just gets boring reading always the same old opinion?
At least add something new if you really want to post something.

>>14790697
It's not like I have to update my arguments when Lazy Matsumoto man hasn't updated his. He's never explained why Ota is a "better" artist, he's never explained why that page is unreadable, he's never explained how Leiji's inking is bad.

>>14790701
I never mentioned the Matsumoto shitposter once in my post in case you didn't notice. I mean in general. Every single time you post something it's the same exact post you already wrote before on that subject.

>>14790710
Same applies, I usually do it in response to people posting the same things. If I do it without replying to something then call me out then.

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>>14790633
Yeah, that's a fist, anon.

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>>14790696
This is Kodai and Shima from Yamato. I'm pretty sure they were supposed to look like normal people. But they still look like weird deformed dwarfs. Same with that 009.

>>14790909
>lazyamato
bravo

>>14790639
Holy shit that's bad. If I was Ishimori, I'd be offended by Matsumoto's depiction of one of my most cherished characters.

>>14790909
Still looks like a masterpiece compared to Grendizer suddenly turning into the admin of eightchan

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>>14790909
Also link the full volume so I can see how it compares to the proportions in the rest of the story

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>>14790909
>Dwarfs
>We don't see anything below the torso

Bravo, shitposter.

>>14790909
Where you get scans from?

>>14790997
>into the admin
hahaha oh fuck I will never unsee hotwheels in the face of every Leiji potato person from now on

non meme post:

I really like this manga, I liked the hell of it, liked all the questions and dilemas of it, I was expecting it to answer, but in the end it just stops. It was my first Matsumoto experience and I learned to never expect anything from him like an ending.

One thing that I hate is when he draws the spaceship so many times in such boring way like: OHHHH HERE COMES THE SPACESHIP AGAIN.

>>14794862
Most of his manga have endings though

>>14795393
Show examples, please. I would like to see you try. With the exclusion of 999 original ending.

>>14791041
Way to miss the point. Look how those proportions are fucked up. Their heads are the size of the entire torso.

>>14795736
>Complaining about big heads in anime

Are you new?

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>>14795725
Not including the many 1 shot compilations and 1 volume manga he's published such as The Cockpit here are some I've found:
First Yamato manga
Sexaroid
Drifting Express 000
Millennial Queen
Miraizerban
Mystery Eve
Wadachi
Otoko Oidon
V2 Panzer
Danguard Ace
You also seem to this belief that Matsumoto was churning out only 1 chapter a month when in reality he was usually working on several manga and pumping out a chapter by the week. At the very least you can do some very basic research but that lack of that is what makes you a shitposter, I guess. There's also a need for you to understand Leiji has said he likes writing his manga so that he can come back to it at any time he pleases (Galaxy Express)

>>14797032
You didn't read half of these. Stop pretending.

I have the Yamato manga and it has no ending, it stops at the start of the Comet Empire storyline, leaving an entire story arc incomplete.

And we're always comparing him to the likes of Tezuka, ishinomori, Nagai, Yokoyama, etc... All these have worked under the exact same circunstances and did a lot more than Lazy. And without wasting the pages limit with huge blanks and talking heads.

>>14797204
You keep moving the goalposts. Seriously, what is your point? You ask for finished manga and I provide you a list of some and then you move onto something else. It's the saddest and most obsessive thing I've seen on this board.

The Comet Empire is from the SECOND Yamato manga -- not the first.

>You didn't read half of these
Likewise to you and most of your claims. They are finished and you can read about them on AnimeKritic's blog.

>Tezuka
You mean the guy who would shit on his superior peers constantly while you complain about Leiji asking for an apology?

You complain about dwarfism and thing bring about Tezuka. Have you seen things like Apollo no Uta or MQ? The characters constantly change proportions from badly drawn attempts at realism to full blown ham hands.

Yokoyama isn't exactly an amazing artist either. Constantly using the same pose for characters running.

>>14797328
>The Comet Empire is from the SECOND Yamato manga -- not the first.

Funny how he decided to continue both Yamato and GE999 and drop the sequels less than halfway in. Such dedication.

>Likewise to you and most of your claims. They are finished and you can read about them on AnimeKritic's blog.

Except where I live we got a fair share of Lazy manga and I was fool enough to buy almost all of them when they were fist released. Good thing now I know better.

About Tezuka and Yokoyama, that's irrelevant. They did a lot more than Leiji and used less shortcuts. You're getting me confused by the other shitposter. I never claimed Leiji is a bad artist, I specifically pointed he's lazy as fuck. Thus the Lazy Matsumoto title.

>>14789321
Plz respond
Harlock appears in alotta stuff that isnt named after him and Wiki tells me fuckall

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>>14797836
Yamato was continued to go along with the airing TV series. The pacing was a lot slower and the TV series ended before it was even halfway finished.

Galaxy Express you seem completely ignorant about. The last published volume was used to tie in with the Galaxy Railways series which had 2 seasons and an OVA. For the least 2 decades Leiji has been trying to tie all of his series together into one epic final battle between the metanoids. This has involved the Great Yamato manga and the Mahoroba film. It's intentional. If you want to blame something blame copyright. You're also ignoring circumstances such as the magazines some of his work was being published in being canned.

>About Tezuka and Yokoyama, that's irrelevant

Then don't bring them up next time, you ding dong.

>They did a lot more than Leiji and used less shortcuts

Like using the same pose a million times or completely switching between art styles. Truly less shortcuts.

>by the other shitposter

Well at leas you admit to being a shitposter.

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>>14798538
Watch Endless Orbit SSX.

The original manga was a lot more focus on Mime despite being unfinished. It's pretty great since you're not stuck on earth constantly over a dumb loli. It ends at the halfway point in the story.

Harlock also appears a few times in Galaxy Express like in the films, Cosmo Warrior Zero, various untranslated manga, Space Symphony Maetel (iirc), a Queen Emeraldas crossover oneshot, and probably a few others.

>>14800523
>Galaxy Express you seem completely ignorant about. The last published volume was used to tie in with the Galaxy Railways series which had 2 seasons and an OVA. For the least 2 decades Leiji has been trying to tie all of his series together into one epic final battle between the metanoids. This has involved the Great Yamato manga and the Mahoroba film. It's intentional. If you want to blame something blame copyright. You're also ignoring circumstances such as the magazines some of his work was being published in being canned.

Ok, this marks the time when your arguments stopped making any sense in order to justify your own fanboyism. I don't even feel like responding anymore. It's like talking to a religious fanatic by this point.

>>14800736
What's wrong with his argument?

>>14800756
If Leiji was trying to tie-in everything together, he was doing a pretty bad half-assed job at it, because his universe makes no sense and is full of plot holes. And also, I don't think he had that much input in animated projects like Galaxy Railways. He could have been working as a consultant or supervisor, but it's not his own work. You can tell by a mile that's not something Leiji envisioned himself, same goes for Interstella 5555. If what he said has any truth to it, this "epic" would be a huge mess of random ideas tied together. It's completely incoherent and even the Lazy shitposter said very clearly he was not considering the animated adaptations while talking about how bad Leiji was.

>>14800804
Have you never read anything about Matsumoto?

999 is STILL being produced. His works are STILL shown around the country. They're not as famous as they once were, and he's really only appealing to an older crowd, but a grand narrative has always been his goal. There's a reason everything is so interconnected, and if you think it's just because "Oh, Harlock sells", you're sadly mistaken.

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>>14800736
I'm sorry you're too stupid to read about things he's actually said in interviews and his books regarding his own philosophy.

> because his universe makes no sense and is full of plot holes

What are different iterations and interpretations of the same stories? Marvel and DC does the same thing. They were also written at different times using different ideas. Stories evolve.

>You can tell by a mile that's not something Leiji envisioned himself

It's his. I already told you the last released volume of GE999 was used to introduce it.

>>14804355
>Marvel and DC does the same thing.

And they've all produced more crap than anything worthwhile in a long, long time. Yeah, this comparison is really spot on, actually.