Can we have tank thread? It's 100 years anniversary of the

Man fuck parallelogram tanks.

Fucking ugly pieces of shit.

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>>14753848
>Fucking ugly pieces of shit.
;_;

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Poland will rise

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>>14753863
They see me rolling
they hatting
those zeeks

>>14753909
Are you sure this is a tank?

>>14753909
magella is a tank, a freaking crazy tank where the turret can eject and fly away, but still a tank nonetheless

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/HT-01B_Magella_Attack

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The Battle of Somme? Pretty sure those attacks achieved nothing more than horrendous casualties.

You might as well look at the Second Battle of Ypres and how it was a lost opportunity for the Germans because they didn't capitalize on how successful their first major deployment of poison gas.

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>>14753898
Watch where you tread

>>14753892
Literally just a riced out CV90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czaTdPBXErg

>>14754118
RIP

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>>14754115
>>14754118
What do the wings do.

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>>14753844

>>14754452
it helps the thing fly and I'm not even joking

>>14754452
>>14754476
Helps the fucking turret fly when the hull gets blown up, as is typical retarded Zeeks use it for attack rather than as an intended escape mechanism

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>>14754115
>>14754118
>Not posting superior Magella
Fuck you BK

>>14754103
The tanks were quite effective, unfortunately the idiot generals failed to capitalize on the breakthrough before the Germans reclaimed the land they lost

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>>14755221
>Front mounted engine.

>>14754124
i'm definitely avoiding the dezart

I'm amazed how we never changed the name for them. Tank was just a codeword for the Central Powers listening in to hear and think it was just a water carrier. Churchill called it a land battleship.

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08th magella is by far the least retarded version

>>14754103
>The Battle of Somme? Pretty sure those attacks achieved nothing more than horrendous casualties.

The tanks worked fine, but then the leadership decided to just stop instead of pushing forward so it all went badly. The germans did the same thing with the poison gas, they just sat there after using it.

>>14755600
Merkava says hello.

>>14755652
Origin manga version is the most traditionally "tanky", it completely forgoes the canopy in favor of vision slits on the magella top, and adds a driver to the crew (located in the hull)

>>14753848
>Design for something that didnt exist befire with the prime function of going over trenches and shielding men.

Looks fine to me

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>>14753892
I think not

>>14755658

but that's the whole shtick of the Merkava, crew survivability by putting as much as it can between the enemy and the crew. doesnt do much for the tanks survavibility tho

>>14753892
Wasn't this canned.

>>14756087
>doesnt do much for the tanks survavibility tho
You can get a new tank with the same specs in that case. Getting a new crew like the dead one is not as easy.

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No Hildofr? We must fix this!

Its dumb that tanks still exist in these shows. When even most high ranking generals agree that whatever it can do the attack helicopter can do waaay better

>>14756087
>front engine
>improving survivability

lol, no.

>Engine deck is the tallest part of a normal tank hull, so, since it's in front, the whole rest of the hull must be raised up to it's level so that the turret can work
>Profile is now higher, tank is bigger target.
>no increase in side armor
>Rear mounted turret has shit gun depression because the hull is in the way
>tank cannot go hull down as effectively
>automotive weight distribution of tank is fucked

Basically, it brings in a bunch of disadvantages vs other tanks in exchange for a bit of extra effective front armor vs some shaped charge rockets. A little extra steel isn't going to help much against a modern APFSDS round, especially if you had to sacrifice a fair chunk of your actual composite armor for it.

There's a reason literally nobody else has done it, not even any of the latest generation. Merkava IV is as heavy as the heaviest tanks in service, but physically larger, and with consequently thinner armor.

Front mounted engines are for machines that have a good goddamn reason to have a rear ramp, like APCs and SPGs.

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>>14756326

>>14756321
Attack helicopters also cost a hell of a lot more than a glorified tractor with a gun slapped on top.

>>14756354
You would think they would have that problem figured out by the time most of these shows take place.

>>14756330
>welding an oversized pistol to a tank

God bless whoever uploaded the artbook

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>>14756321
>whatever it can do the attack helicopter can do waaay better
Call me when a helicopter can:
Hold ground, survive enemy fire of greater intensity than sporadic junk fire and sustain damage and not only remain operational but also without falling to the ground and exploding.

>>14756414
Lol go look up the performance of the attack helicopter compared to MBTs

They outperformed and completed their assignments with ease.

>>14756453

They do different things. Helicopters can't hold positions or take ground from the enemy.

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>>14756453
>Lol go look up the performance of the attack helicopter compared to MBTs
What is that even meant to mean?
The results tend to indicate that tanks seem to be poor at flying and helos don't work well for providing support for more than an hour or so.
Unless you mean performance during recent wars where the result was that neither mattered as much as Bradleys and LGB armed F-16s.

>>14756453
Nigga, you need to take, AND hold the strategic point to actually win the war. Can you take points if you fly? Hell no. Copters are also bad at defensive action, since it only operate at limited time and need to retreat constantly to resupply.

'Copters are solo only agains underprepared targets (i.e. Ahmeds) send them to well armed and trained unit/point and expect them to yell "AHHH AHHH TO HOT TO HOT AHHH RPG AHHH" in under 10 seconds.

Also, 'Copters are conditional to weathers anyway. To rough and they'll tripping like a fly.

TL,DR it has different roles, strength and functions, compared it to ground unit which is radically different is kinda retarded. And combined arms is always superior option.

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>when /k/ cross posters shitpost about mecha being impracticable compared to tanks
>when they proceed to image dump tanks on the /m/ board
>h-h-hey guys we're /m/ too.....

>>14756571
the day you people stop posting on /k/ we will stop coming here to deliver you a much needed dose of reality

>>14757158
Who needs reality? The real world sucks, doesn't even have magic.

>>14756549
>Nigga, you need to take, AND hold the strategic point to actually win the war.
Not if you go full Sherman and make the area worthless or dangerous to hold (irradiate it, etc)

>>14756571
tanks are mecha

>>14756571
/m/ loves tanks and planes too actually

>>14756549
Not to mention the fact that, despite all the targeting pods and GPS gadgets, tanks are still quite a lot better at finding the objective and shooting the right people without having to be spoonfed

>>14757158
(you)

>>14756326
>Front mounted engines are for machines that have a good goddamn reason to have a rear ramp, like APCs and SPGs.
What exactly do you think Israel has had to deal with since the last time they had an actual war, nothing but Hamas spamming dank rockets at them.
>Rear mounted escape hatch for crew evac, or for picking up wounded infantry while under small fire without having to wait for an APC, or inserting a commando team in with the armored advance.
Yeah its basically what they used as an idea to make the Loto

>>14757706
>chassis so high off the ground that the guys underneath will be perfectly fine

Well, it wouldn't be 40K if it wasn't fucking garbage.

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>>14757644

>What exactly do you think Israel has had to deal with since the last time they had an actual war, nothing but Hamas spamming dank rockets at them.

Yeah, that's fucking fantastic for them if their enemies aim for the FRONT.

Not so good if they aim for the sides or rear, which will be larger, and less protected than an equivalent weight class tank of conventional layout.

>>14755654
>>14755225
The issue was mainly logistical because they were supposed to be a lot more tanks produced by the date of the attack and the British went ahead regardless of the numbers or how well the crews were trained. Add to the fact of mechanical and communication failures or weather disabled a almost half of the tanks and the actual objective they took was nothing but a hamlet so the British couldn't even create worthwhile propaganda out of the engagement relying on exaggeration among their own population and the Germans. And the Germans retook their lines, so the observation that it achieved little outside of massive causalities is still true.

As for the the use of chlorine gas by the Germans, they didn't capitalize on it because even they didn't know how effective it would be and a majority of their forces were being used on the eastern front with their push into Russia with Austria-Hungry forces. So you can actually say they literally didn't have the soldiers to take advantage of the giant hole the gas punched open in the Allies' lines.

>>14756549
It really boils down to what the mission is. If you're talking about a first strike in enemy territory or attacking their forces, having air superiority is the way to go. Although mecha like mobile suits does redraw the lines due to their superior maneuverability when compared to conventional armored units.

>>14756571
Technically, tanks and planes are considered /m/. My non biased computer translator seems to think so. Also as long as people don't spam super robot shit on /k/, they have no problem with us.

>>14758244
Its worked for Israel so far. Besides they designed it to fill roles not normally taken by tanks, its basically an IFV with substantially better firepower and armor than is typical.
Of course its successor might not even be a traditional tank.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkava#FMCV

>>14757759

I don't think it's for rolling over people

>>14758463
then what the hell good is it?

>>14758467

Shooting aliens the size of mack trucks?

>>14758476
aliens have to land in spaceships so tanks are worthless
tanks are best for terrorizing populaces

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>>14753909
>>14753930
>Are you sure this is a tank?
>>14753942
>magella is a tank, a freaking crazy tank where the turret can eject and fly away, but still a tank nonetheless
No, it's actually Self-propelled Artillery...
A tank is usually defined by being able to traverse it's main gun's turret, something the Magella poignantly CAN'T FUCKING DO!

>>14754452
>What do the wings do.
Allow the main gun to do a shitty job of being a plane for 15 seconds...

>>14755221
>>Not posting superior Magella
Indeed, couldn't THIS one be air-lifted/dropped?

>>14755652
>>14755715
But can the gun ACTUALLY TRAVERSE?!?!

>>14756222
>>14756223
YAY Hildofr!

>>14756414
>Call me when a helicopter can:
>Hold ground, survive enemy fire of greater intensity than sporadic junk fire and sustain damage and not only remain operational but also without falling to the ground and exploding.
Indeed...

>>14756571
But but... MUH LOTO!!!

>>14757644
>>Rear mounted escape hatch for crew evac, or for picking up wounded infantry while under small fire without having to wait for an APC, or inserting a commando team in with the armored advance.
>Yeah its basically what they used as an idea to make the Loto
Exactly.

>>14758244
>Yeah, that's fucking fantastic for them if their enemies aim for the FRONT.
If an Israeli tank is engaging a target from anywhere BESIDES their front, they've got the bigger problem of being over-extended to deal with.

>>14758390
>Its worked for Israel so far. Besides they designed it to fill roles not normally taken by tanks, its basically an IFV with substantially better firepower and armor than is typical.
Again, exactly as intended.

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>>14753863
>>14753898

B-brother?

>>14758505
Actually a tank is better defined by mission statement than the turret traversal, considering stridsvagn 103 exists.

>>14758569
>Actually a tank is better defined by mission statement than the turret traversal, considering stridsvagn 103 exists.
Shush, you're ruining my rage-gasm against the Magella...

>>14758574
Vagn103 is a sexy beast tho.
Unlike the Magella, fuck that ugly shitbird.

>>14758649
>Unlike the Magella, fuck that ugly shitbird.
I KNOW, RIGHT?!?!

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>>14758542

C-Comrade?

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>>14756499
>Badlys

>>14757466
>without having to be spoonfed

Depends on what tank you're using and how you define spoonfeeding.

>>14758482
Too bad populaces tend to be found in environments where armored vehicles tend to be at a considerable disadvantage.

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Land battleships are basically giant tanks right?

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Hello, fellow tanks! It's me, a tank! I love having treads, it's so much better than having limbs, right guys?

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>>14759056

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>>14758542
You're doing it wrong.

>>14759051
Yes, yes they are!

>>14759056
>Hello, fellow tanks! It's me, a tank! I love having treads, it's so much better than having limbs, right guys?
Origin Guntank does it better...

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What's the biggest tank you have picture of ?

>>14760027
Would it be technically feasible to build this? Like if some bored engineering student inherited a few billion.

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>>14760032
Today ? We've built bigger.
There's this pict and Rocket "Crawler"

If we really wanted it we could even make one with a beefy engine, nothing nuclear but almost

>>14760032
You could hypothetically build one, sure. Moving it around would be an issue, though, since the Ratte is so heavy it would destroy roads. You'd have to keep it in a designated lot as a display piece.

>>14758992
Bradleys could replace congress, you know?

>>14760032
The germans could have built it then, it would have just been useless
If you cut out the second main cannon and made it longer with stronger engines it could be ok

>>14755651

And "blimp" was a word that some officer used to describe the sound airships made when you hit them (why he was hitting airship envelopes, I have no idea), but it stuck, too. Sometimes a word is just too evocative to change.

>>14760250
>if you made it an even larger target it would have been ok
"no"

>>14756571
Its like /k/ wants to be friends with us but don't know how. UNDERSTANDING might be needed.

>>14757158
>speaking of reality
.>in a sumatran cellphone board.

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>>14760139
>it would destroy roads
>Juden, where we're going, we won't need roads

But seriously, the thing had enough track area that it could go just about anywhere and ford most rivers, and fairly quickly, too (40km/h). Not to mention that, tactically, it would have been more or less unstoppable v other ground units.

The problem, of course, is that it's a huge, expensive slow-moving target with no special resistance to 500lb bombs, meaning it would be unstoppable until it got noticed by a fighter squadron.

I kinda wish they made the fucking thing.

>>14760465
Yeah, it comes down to the thing actually being big enough for the Americans to hit it.

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When Miyazaki forgets he's a pacifist he comes up with pretty cool stuff.

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>>14758244
I have the whole series somewhere

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>>14760032
we have to go bigger, just because, you know, we can

>>14753892
Poland can into spacetanks?

>>14759056
This is a cute post :3

>>14760542
>implying he's not a hypocrite

>>14760735
someone shop Myazaki sayin "pacifism was a mistake"

>>14760786
>The Peace Constitution was a mistake

>>14760500
>Yeah, it comes down to the thing actually being big enough for RAF Bomber Command to hit it.
FTFY

>>14760155
That's really not saying much.

>>14760542
Cool, but impractical.

Anybody else?

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Fuck it

How do you tankfags feel about this show in which a single witch girl destroys armies of tanks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piEEGQdBho8

>>14763755
from reading you comment I felt I would laugh, but in the end it was so bland I ended... meh

>>14754157
Pls no bully. They're trying so hard.

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>>14760465

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>>14756330
>>14756402
I love the whole fantasy pseudo-WW2 aesthetic of Valkyria Chronicles. Shame they're dumping it for generic fantasy steampunk.

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Well since we posting tanks...

>>14756330
>>14765873

First VC was awesome.

Just went downhill from there though.

This is VC1 styling.

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>>14766286

Fuck, forgot pic.

This is VC1

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>>14766288
VC2

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>>14766291

VC3

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>>14760044
We need something bigger.

>>14766294
Well, at least in VC3 its kinda logical since they are just bunch of B companies misfits filled by bunch of crazy assholes. They bringing giant swords, hand cannon with sword, handheld hammer-shaped bunkerbuster, and other irregular shit is expected.

And its a dieselpunk world filled with magical princess running around destroying armies with lances, so yeah.

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>>14766342
>It makes perfect sense to allow a penal unit access to individualized gear and the shop space required to produce and maintain it

>>14766373
They're a penal unit, so why should anyone care what they do to their equipment?
I thought the whole point of their unit was to keep them away from everyone else.

>>14758482
>aliens have to land in spaceships

Don't the tyranid fly through space in bigger tyranids that can survive vaccuums?

>>14766373

They're just suicide troops sent to die on ever-increasingly suicidal minions, so I don't think the government cares how they fight it.

>>14768571
>minions

Missions, I meant

>>14753844
Outdated junk

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>>14766286
I never got around to playing VC3 but it seemed to me more like it VC2 was just a valley.

VC1 is really heavy on the WW2 themes with some big anime tropes but within acceptable limits unless you consider fantasy/magic to be unacceptable. Only problem I had with it is that it was a bit too upbeat and optimistic for WW2 militia stuff, it did a lot of things right though.

VC2 I only played the first half of but changing the entire cast to teenagers at a school with overdose on common tropes for that kind of setting was really shitty. When you had a 15 year old in your squad in VC1 it meant something, because it was a child soldier who wanted to fight for their country. In VC2 you go from "Oh no the nazis are slaughtering the notjews, we have to stop them!" to "Oh jeeze I forgot my homework again!" in three minutes and it is really fucking weird. Not to mention the maps were watered down for handhelds which made it feel way more puzzle-y than tactical-y and permadeath was removed.

VC3 I wanted to wait to play until I finished VC2 but it seems to be a great deal darker and the only problem I have just from looking at it is too many melee weapons, I would be fine with a few in that setting but damn, feels like half the people in >>14766294 have a sword or a hammer.

Spaced armor/Schurzen is also quite possibly the sexiest thing man has ever created and I wish it was used more in everything.

>go to /k/
>people actually argue about the realism of mecha
lmao what the fuck are they doing?

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I love MGS3's Shagohod as much as anybody else, but...

Why the fuck did they scrap the original concept? It's fucking fantastic: no augers, no hovering rocket shit...

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>>14774050

Because treads are old hat. They're, like, WWII tech. How is this machine supposed to move over varied terrain with treads? That's a thing unheard of!

>>14774050
>>14774374
It also seems to just set up a humdrum everyday vertical launcher for the missiles, which there are already platforms for at the time.

I thought the launcher as a first stage thing was a neat excuse for why the Shagohod was noteworthy as a threat (portable nuke missile with much longer range). It was utterly barmy of course, but in that charming Metal Gear way.

>>14774050 >>14774374
Actually the problem with treads (if we pretend there is any internal consistency in MGS) is that it do the job...
... but don't allow the super secret and awesome plan of accelerating the sled to incredible speed to increase the missile range up to America. Yes I know it's stupid.

More seriously, the metal gear is supposed to be "more high-tech" not just a bigger tank

>>14766373
>>14768386
>>14768571
Yeah, the two bit second rate slapdash unit thrown together from everyone that can hold a gun that has little oversight because their superiors have that little regard for their usefulness and have resolved to throw them into meat grinder battles or tedious patrols...are the militia, the protagonists of VC1.

The protagonists of 3 are the guys that are below THEM on high command's list of fucks to give, so no shit they're not supervised beyond "are they going to fight instead of desert?".

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...the largest tank ever built by the US.

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Sentient Tanks are the best.

>>14768386
>They're a penal unit, so why should anyone care what they do to their equipment?

Because it costs money, also they're a penal unit, they exist specifically because people cared way too much about what they do rather than letting them mind their own business.

>>14775764
They exist because their country needed every warm body that could hold a gun and soak up bullets. As long as they do those things they're fulfilling their operational requirements.

>>14775764
You don't need to pay for equipment when you can just take parts from your enemies' corpses though.

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Oooh, what is going on here?

>>14775787
Not in Valkyria Chronicles you don't. Imperial equipment is fucking terrible.

>>14775825
That one flamethrower and the Ruhm was pretty damned useful.

>>14775838
Eh, flamethrower I'll grant you, but if you had the Ruhm (a very limited production gun given only to a handful of exceptional individuals) then you would have beaten Selvaria to get it, at which point you hardly need it.

By and large Imp guns are crap. Who looks at the design brief for a sniper rifle and thinks 'this should be very powerful and completely inaccurate'?

>>14755658

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>>14758482
What.

Are you actually retarded?

The main purpose of tanks are to support infantry advances and to break through defenses.

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>>14757759
That's some poorly made fan art. The Baneblade isn't that big, nor does it have that degree of ground clearance.

>>14754102
>literal caterpillar treads
LOL!

>>14775694
Saw this at Girls und Panzer. And i wonder.

Since it looks like they put two set of treads on the tank, can the actual tank remove one set of its treads and move with just the remaining set?

>>14754102
>>14776029
Haha, I just noticed they were being led along by a little leaf in front of them! Now das kawaii.

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>>14776036
I am no expert but almost certainly not, in combat at least.

The thing is almost a hundred tons and has a top speed of less than 10 mph. I can't imagine removing half the tracks and having it keep going without serious issue.

GuP threw realism about a mile out of the window in exchange for insane fun in the movie but they did weirder shit in the series that was actually possible so I could be wrong. Maybe it would be fine as long as it was on hard ground like concrete.

I am very certain it could not remove the treads in the middle of combat though, unless you very heavily modified it for some bizarre reason. The reason it was bolted on weirdly was due to logistics, it was too big to transport in one piece. I believe it was american railroads that were the issue but I do not remember for sure.

>>14761172
More like if the americans see it as a big enough target to hit but instead hit a village of civillians

>>14760542
looks straight outta metal slug when guns are piled on haphazardly and in no reasonable direction

>>14776036
No it couldn't do that the remove the treads was so it could be transported so they were only going to be removed and put back on during and after transport. The real version lacked the purge treads switch

>>14776036
'cordin to wikipedia, the second tread pair came off because otherwise it'd be too damn wide to transport. The treads, which were to spread out its ground pressure (because the 28 is a fat motherfucker like that), came off and were hitched to the back like a tractor doohickey to meet transport dimension requirements.

Even if modified to purge, 28 is a heavy motherfucker and would likely tear up the ground underneath without the extra tracks. It's most likely meant to be a joke for hardcore tank Otaku to pick up on.

>>14777075
Still disappointed they went with the lame toy designs instead of this.

>>14763736
from the thumbnail I thought it was made with lego

>>14776036
>>14777090

It took an untrained squad of soldiers almost 4 hours to take them off & configure them for transport the first time they tried. They brought it down to 2.5 hours after a couple more tries.

From actual driving tests (over 500 miles' worth total, iirc), it had no problem traveling on hard ground & even while towing the extra treads.

If you want to really want to know more about the T28, look for 'Firepower: A History of the American Heavy Tank' by R. P. Hunnicutt.

His follow-up books on the Patton & the Abrams are also good reads, even if solely for the chapters devoted to the wacky design concepts the army was considering during the '50's. A lot of it was also quite prescient, such as rangefinders using light beams, active countermeasures, composite armor, bar armor, etc.

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>>14778141
...aaand forgot the picture.

>>14777088
This makes me wonder, we talked before about why tanks don't usually have multiple turrets, but would hovertanks like in Hammer's Slammers ever be practical?

>>14778207
The advantages of hover tanks would be the lowered ground pressure and air cushion increasing the soft-terrain capability, and probably speed, at the cost of rough-terrain ability and having part of the motive system much easier to damage (skirt gets popped, tank is stuck)

Battletech does it pretty well, IMO. Hovercraft are pretty much the fastest things on the ground, but the skirts get torn by incoming fire like they're in a hentai and they can't deal with rough terrain.

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>>14778435
>Hovercraft are pretty much the fastest things on the ground
I love that you can purposefully gun it and try to slide out of control to make you slightly harder to shoot at

11/10 would blast eurobeat and roll 2d6 all day long

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>>14777892
It really is, considering that Ukitakumuki's other vehicle designs got in with some alterations. The Vanguard's turret got chopped in half for the sake of muh nostalgia, but you can still see elements from the concept art still there.

>>14778435
Cool. Also, would recoil be an issue for hovertanks? In Hammer's Slammers they use plasma weapons (I think) called powerguns. Also,

> skirts get torn by incoming fire like they're in a hentai

My sides!

>>14778509
Oh fuck, Ukitakumuki did work for planetside? Sheeeeeeeit, that's awesome, maybe I will check it out sometime.

>>14778669
I think this was created just so people could troll /k/.

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Meanwhile in Zeon

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>>14753844
Posting the best of both worlds

>Big ass gun, and 2 more aditional guns for added fun
>need 6 zakus to kill it (equal to 30 GMs)
>fast as fuck
>can do a perfect tokyo drift in the middle of combat

>>14778669
why would you have sharks?

>>14778797
Ammunition for your bombers I guess.

>>14778790
>three fully automated 120mm guns
Zeon is rich as fuck.

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>>14778435
You are forgetting that hovertank would need to be ridiculously light or powerful to carry their armor.
And when an hovercraft meet a slope its maximum horizontal thrust pretty much define what it can climb and how fast. No lowering the gear to gain in torque.

I hope you were just having fun with the idea

>>14778556
> Cool. Also, would recoil be an issue for hovertanks?
You betcha !
After calculation a 30 tons bipedal mecha could actually fire a 130mm and not fall, the hovertank will have to anchor itself or constantly use it's propulsion to regain its original position.

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>>14778790
be careful, there's several school on this

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>>14777021
>looks straight outta metal slug

Really, that's what we should be striving for as a species.

>>14778813
>You are forgetting that hovertank would need to be ridiculously light or powerful to carry their armor.

I don't know, to me a hovertank just runs on a bullshit little device that makes anything regardless of size float because fuck you. I don't know why I think that, pretty sure it was a cartoon where a teen genius built such a little device and then the villain stole it to float a battlecruiser. I remember that and this line, paraphrased

>Wait you're telling me that little cube can float a whole warship?
>Well I mean, it's possible I guess.

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>>14778669

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>>14760542
He did make Doromamire no Tora, based on Otto Carius memoirs.

>>14778830
Artistic license then, I have no problem with that.

>>14778813
They could overcome that issue by either going fast enough or by having the tank have too much mass for the gun's impulse to overcome.

>>14775807
>treads on a plane
Why

>>14778818
they simply learned from their past mistakes, no wonder magella II is a regular tank
"Ok we tried something new, but it was stupid, lets get back to normal tanks"

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>>14780063
Or use the magic that make heavy hovertank feasible.
It's not impossible, but doing and tank today with current tech wouldn't give much result

>>14778813
>armoring your hover tank
SPEED IS ARMOR SPEED IS ARMOR
[Jacky Fisher intensifies]

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>>14780197
I've got your back

>>14756499
>this is fine jpg

I like how that guy with the pistol thinks he's going to do something.

>>14780197
Even in BT, that goes tits up as soon as somebody rolls out the artillery.

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wtf am I driving?

>>14778830
It was the Mighty Ducks cartoon. Don't ask me why I know that.

>>14753844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivP1qYG_tLw

>>14760032

The Germans seemed to think so, given they might have actually built that.

>>14780426
nuclear tank

>>14778818
>expecting scale consistency from Gundam
Anon.... I

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Posting superior soviet technology

>>14754118
Easily the only good thing to come out of 08th (disregarding Norris)

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>>14756499
Wonder if it's the same artist

>>14759051
H.G. Wells, pls go and stay go.

>>14766253
>pedrail

Dang it, Wells!

>>14775694
It's not even a tank; its mission statement would define it as an assault gun! Nomenclature has never been our military's forte.

>>14775845
>a very limited production gun given only to a handful of exceptional individuals

Not having the sense to mass produce the MG 34? No wonder they lost...

>Who looks at the design brief for a sniper rifle and thinks 'this should be very powerful and completely inaccurate'?

Apparently whoever greenlit the M1903A4.

>>14775985
>nor does it have that degree of ground clearance

Imagine all the laughs there are to be had when it gets hung up on the slightest bit of uneven terrain.

>>14776036
Yes, it could; removing the outer tracks doesn't diminish its admittedly pathetic engine power. But don't count on getting anywhere unless the terrain is either comprised of rock or paved, otherwise the massive ground pressure will almost certainly cause it to self-entrench.

>>14776060
They probably figured if it works with carrots, why not?

>>14778435
Gravity and the inherent lack of traction would effectively negate its ability to climb hills, not to mention maneuver; just look at tanks with smooth tracks on icy surfaces (MULTI-TRACK DRIFTING!).

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>>14778669
Goodbye! This desert will be your grave!

>>14778797
Ever heard of pool sharks?

>>14780133
Just heard EVA announce reinforcements have arrived.

>>14780677
More like the Austrian Gefreiter seemed to think so, though even he started having second thoughts during the Maus boondoggle.

>>14781402
>>14781438
I swear if this ngiga don't stfu.jpg

>>14781225
>>14780426

Not quite nuclear; it was initially designed to be powered by a pod-mounted V-8 which was coupled to a generator that powered the electric motors driving the treads. The nuclear plant was like, phase IV in its development if it had proceeded.

The pod's so bulky because it was actually a double-hull design with a heavily armoured inner shell surrounded by a lightly armoured outer shell. This was supposed to provide it with enough buoyancy to float as whole tank was meant to be less than 30 tons in weight.

So you have the pod floating across a lake with the hull submerged, hanging below it.

>>14782077
So it was just as retarded in concept as it was in appearance.

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>>14781402
>>14781438

>>14758244
If you're a tank, and you're getting shot in the side, or even worse, the rear, you're doing something very wrong. In that case, you're likely to be fucked regardless of what tank you are.

>>14782354
What part of 50's don't you understand, nobody had any idea what the fuck they were doing at the time regarding nuclear power, they were just throwing money at the wall and hoping it worked.

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>>14786351
>Die Panzer trägt ein Stahlhelm

Amazing how it all comes full-circle.

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>>14787984

>>14765873
The new one is a spinoff, the title isn't "senjou no valkyria", it's something else "valkyria"

>>14753844

Tanks are going to "glass cannons" until there's a major breaththoughts in power plant and material tech. They make heavy armor and massive chassis viable again.

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>>14766373
Well, the Nameless canonically have a tank that shares a similar serial number as the Edelweiss. Design-wise, its pretty close as well.

For a penal unit, having what is probably a slightly shittier Edelweiss for a tank kind of weird. Though they apparently modded it to that state themselves.

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>>14789461
>Tanks
>glass cannons

>>14789657
Yes, those pieces of shit get knocked out all the goddamn time and break down even more frequently. Next time post the Challenger 2; that thing is confirmed able to withstand anything thrown at it and still RTB under its own power.

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>>14789657
>Knows nothing about tanks
>Shares opinion anyways

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>>14790028
The Challenger 2 is the worst tank in service with a first-world country.
No blowout panels, two piece ammunition, rifled gun, hull ammunition storage spread out all over the fighting compartment, gunner's thermal sight fixed to the main gun (with all the trouble that brings) and I'm pretty sure the non-export model isn't even fitted with a CITV.

There's a reason why no one buys them, preferring instead to buy M1's and Leopard 2's.

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>>14791034

Oh, please, Guderian, enlighten us. Share your boundless wisdom on the physics of armored warfare. Regale us with your own experience. Tell us about those 300 confirmed kills you have. Present a profound argument from the turret of your tank, just as you also sent that post.

Because surely you have more than a reaction image and seven words, right?

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>>14790028
>Abrams
>piece of shit
You know nothing about tanks.

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>>14791820
>preferring instead to buy M1's and Leopard 2's.

Thank god my country buy batches of Leopard 2s recently.

But we are Archipelagic state, so we're still fucked anyway.

>tfw still no carriers

>>14793016
Well carriers are expensive. Only a couple of countries even have one.

>>14791820
>rifled gun
Well, the brits love their HESH, and you can't fire HESH out of a smoothbore.

>>14791820
>No blowout panels

Doesn't even need 'em.

>two piece ammunition

Fair enough; still carries enough for 49 shots though.

>rifled gun

Can't use HESH without it.

>hull ammunition storage spread out all over the fighting compartment

Legit complaint.

>gunner's thermal sight fixed to the main gun (with all the trouble that brings)

Certainly that can be corrected without throwing out the entire tank.

>I'm pretty sure the non-export model isn't even fitted with a CITV.

Can they not add one?

Besides, I'm talking more about the armor. That thing shrugs off enemy ordnance as though they were manufactured by Nerf.

>There's a reason why no one buys them, preferring instead to buy M1's and Leopard 2's.

Mostly the latter, and for good reason; it's functional, reasonably priced and cost-effective, i.e. everything we favored in combat vehicles before the defense industry went full corporatist. Very few have gone for the M1, and even then they did so mostly for geographic or political reasons.

>>14792316
>M1 FOV
>NOT a piece of shit

No sir, YOU know nothing about tanks.

>>14793424
HESH is also the only ordnance to get a kill on a Challenger.

>>14793106
Yeah i know, just thinking that having atleast one of it will boost the nation's strategical and tactical flexibilities, with all that lands so spreaded out to each others.

Well, better start with buying destroyers first.....

>>14793476

Found the Bong.

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>>14793476
>>14791820
All tanks are shit. Period. Anyone having to crank a track in the middle of a rain storm in a valley before it floods above the cupola would agree.

>>14794114
Oh really!! then why all the armies around the world use them? you know its best not talk about something you dont know shit about faggot

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>>14793476
>Doesn't even need 'em.
Every other tank designed after 1980 apart from the Armata has them for a reason: it's the only way to have the crew survive an ammunition fire without housing them in a separate compartment (as in the Armata).

>Fair enough; still carries enough for 49 shots though.
That's good, but not impressive, the Leopard 2 and M1 carry 42 rounds, but in a much safer layout.

>Can't use HESH without it.
There is no reason to use HESH at all, it struggles to penetrate even 1970's T72's and for use as a combination explosive/armor penetrating round there is no reason not to just use HEAT like everyone else.

>Certainly that can be corrected without throwing out the entire tank.
>Can they not add one?
They probably could, if Britain had the money, but I wonder why they didn't do that already.
It isn't as though the Challenger 2 is an old tank, by the time it began production all of its competitors had such features.

>Besides, I'm talking more about the armor. That thing shrugs off enemy ordnance as though they were manufactured by Nerf.
The Challenger's armor is good, but nothing special for its weight.

>>14794965
HESH isn't a penetrator round.

>>14794965
>There is no reason to use HESH at all
There's two ways to get into Haji compounds: HESH rounds making a hole from a kilometer away and GLORIOUS FREEDOM EAGLE CONSTITUTIONAL engineer CHAAARGE.

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>>14795211
>GLORIOUS FREEDOM EAGLE CONSTITUTIONAL engineer CHAAARGE.

That aside, you obviously haven't heard of the M1028. Sure, you have to get up close, but if I'm an infantryman who has to clear that breach, having a tank for local SBF is just fine by me.

>>14753844
What kind of tank is the one on the right? It's fucking beautiful.

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>>14795516

It's a Challenger II. And it's next to a Mk I tank. "See how far British tanks have come" and all that.

>>14793757
I ain't even bong, m8 (nb4 Greyhound/Scott/AGS).

>>14794114
That's a highly specific scenario.

>>14794965
>it's the only way to have the crew survive an ammunition fire without housing them in a separate compartment (as in the Armata)

Granted, but the armor has to be compromised first, which Dorchester makes almost impossible for the vast majority of conventional ordnance and munitions.

>There is no reason to use HESH at all

See my previous comment to the other guy.

>it struggles to penetrate even 1970's T72's

That's not how it's supposed to work, bruh.

>for use as a combination explosive/armor penetrating round there is no reason not to just use HEAT like everyone else.

As we've seen with the original Challenger, you don't always need to get through the armor to wreck a tank.

>The Challenger's armor is good, but nothing special for its weight.

I've yet to see anything better. Don't even try to push DU off on me; its weight is obscene, it's not even as tough and it's a debilitating health hazard.

>>14795211
Why not just use HE or HEAT?

>>14796648
>Granted, but the armor has to be compromised first, which Dorchester makes almost impossible for the vast majority of conventional ordnance and munitions.
Relying on armor to make up for weak optics, gun, slow speed and sub-optimal crew survival after suffering a penetration isn't a good idea.

>That's not how it's supposed to work, bruh.
>As we've seen with the original Challenger, you don't always need to get through the armor to wreck a tank.
If you mean using spalling, that only really counts for tanks that lack composite armor.
Unless the round penetrates deep enough to strike against the armor behind the composite, no spall will enter the fighting compartment.

>I've yet to see anything better.
Look at the Leopard 2 A4 and onwards, it is both lighter and tougher without the use of DU.

>>14797587
HEAT is for punching holes into shit, not making wide ass explosions that are great for demolitions work.

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>>14797587
>Why not just use HE or HEAT?

Not that anon, but here we go, anyway.

HEAT is designed for penetrating tank armor. Against mud huts, the KEP will punch a little hole through the wall, but that's all it'll do. Without something hard and resistant to mash itself and turn molten against, it goes through and keeps on going. Not good for creating a breach.

HE works just fine. In fact, it works too well. It's liable to just topple the entire structure rather than create a breach. If the mission requires taking the place relatively intact, you can't use HE. HESH, since it uses a deforming projectile, helps minimize shrapnel and other collateral damage, which makes it workable for that task. But, the Abrams still has canister rounds which will open up a nice hole in a wall without issue; you just have to get closer than you would with HESH.

>>14797587
>Relying on armor to make up for weak optics, gun, slow speed and sub-optimal crew survival after suffering a penetration isn't a good idea.

Pretty sure it's about preventing penetration in the first place. Besides, who says you can't have it all?

>Look at the Leopard 2 A4 and onwards, it is both lighter and tougher without the use of DU.

I'm surprised to learn any of the Leo 2 series have Dorchester armor.

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>>14797626
HEAT alone is, but a lot of HEAT rounds are fitted with fragmentation belts.

>>14797633
That still sounds a little bit too niche a bonus to make all the sacrifices that come with a rifled barrel worth it.

>>14798583
>Pretty sure it's about preventing penetration in the first place. Besides, who says you can't have it all?
There's never been a tank made so far that had it all.

>I'm surprised to learn any of the Leo 2 series have Dorchester armor.
It doesn't.
The leopard 2 has some kind of spaced armor, probably like in a T72B, with the Leopard 2A5 and onwards being fitted with NERA across the front and sides.

>>14780646
ok, that's pretty rad, what tank is that?

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>>14801604

'Tis a Leopard 2A4.

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>>14753844
Man, I think a tank leg design based of the Mark 1 would be pretty cool in AC

>>14801604
>beer
It's clearly a continental one. The Englanders would've used a porcelain tea service for that demonstration.

>>14791820
Most M1 sales were monkey models for ME countries and the Leopard2 sold well because the German goverment sold most of of it's cold war units at bargin bin prices.

>>14794965
HESH isn't ment to penetrate it's ment to hit something and asplode in a manner that causes the other side of what it hit to turn into a bigass spray of shrapnel and it's very good
at it. Shit works real well against buildings and most AFV's aside from other tanks but thats why the Chally used KE rounds like everyone else for those.

>>14789310
M.D. Geist has the best designed worn power-armours + suits with wheels + a great fantastic land-battle-ship.

Plus four-legged autononmous mecha resembling riders of the apocalypse.

Is it me, or this is one of the most "realistic" /m/-titles ever conceived?

For me, the perfect Anti-Japanese-type. No bright colors, no toy-esthics - so called "worst anime of all time" is great nihilistic fun ride with splendid visuals + kick-ass music and an amazing main character, because he is just soldier.

Will Tank Mecha ever stop jobbing to Bipeds?

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>>14795516

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>all the latest military vehicles are starting to look like RTS game units and generally sci-fi as fuck.
feels good

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>>14802928

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>>14802929

>>14802929
Reconnaissance af m8

>>14802931
>laser tanks when

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>>14802931

>>14802932
best part is that it's unmanned/remote controlled

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>>14802935

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>>14802939
>MBT hull with remote turret with dual autocannons and rocket launchers

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>>14802943

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>>14802929
Looking at the demo reel, I'm quite skeptical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSztVBQMmw0

I get that it's just a test-bed, but a lot of its concepts still seem sketchy to me. From what I understand, it's supposed to serve in a recon capacity, shadowing a command vehicle or otherwise being ordered around through BFT, all of which requires stable comms between itself and its command element. But how is it supposed to do that in a practical capacity? How good is its autonomous operation? And what happens when it inevitably does something you don't want it to and you need to correct it? Are you going to have a specialized Bradley with four dudes and their remote controllers sending these things out? A Bradley which will be sending and receiving signals to four different points and whose position is thus easy to triangulate?

And then there's mention of what it does when cut off from its element, that it goes into "safe mode." From what I read about that, it seems like it goes into what's essentially a soft shut-down until it can re-acquire signal. That's certainly not practical for combat. Maybe the final version is going to have the ability to automatically seek its host vehicle based on GPS or something, but there's still plenty that can go wrong with that.

All of this is pretty important if you want this thing to be a credible threat to a near-parity enemy. Because one of the first things any such enemy is going to do is try and deny US forces their C2 ability. If these autonomous vehicles are rendered toothless by a loss of comms, something which happens regularly without enemy interference, then what's the point?

TL;DR: This seems good on paper, but there's a lot of questions about it that need answering, especially in the context of a near-parity enemy.

Also,
>mfw they snuck in footage from a Benning range I recognize, one that's not authorized for armored vehicles

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>>14802988
yep, communication disruption is always a concern with automated vehicles, I'm assuming they have a fallback option to use a tethered control cable.
Russia also just unveiled a similar piece of kit, the Uran 9, which seems to be less automated, and more heavily remote controlled. the Teletank is an idea that's been around since the 1930s.

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>>14802988
>But how is it supposed to do that in a practical capacity?
QUANTUMS.
>And what happens when it inevitably does something you don't want it to and you need to correct it?
COLLATERAL DAMAGE
>Are you going to have a specialized Bradley with four dudes and their remote controllers sending these things out?
Nah, that'd be a waste of a perfectly fine Bradley, so the Abrahams will naturally do that while the Bradley wins the war.

>especially in the context of a near-parity enemy.
The USA hasn't been planning on fighting near-parity enemies ever since they ordered the Stryker.

>>14803010
>>14803022
>The Germans still haven't rolled out a LASER TANK DRONE yet

Get yer shit together, ye giddam nazi scum.

>>14803109
>abrahams

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>>14803109
>The USA hasn't been planning on fighting near-parity enemies ever since they ordered the Stryker.

>>14754102
It's really hard to tell which Gunbound tanks these are based on. I think I can spot Mage, Bigfoot and of course Grub.

>>14779711
+1 for you.

>>14780646
>you are now imagining a bar full of cute tanks rolling around on their treads in maid uniforms, delivering jugs full of draught beer with plates on their turrets

Well, what do you think? Is this your worst nightmare or sweetest fever dream?

>>14781402
>H.G. Wells, pls go and stay go.
>Doesnt know about the landships committee
Faggot pls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landships_Committee

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>>14796648
>a debilitating health hazard.
What science do you have to back this up.

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Talk about tanks, how's Girls und Panzer?

I like tanks but I'm not sure about girls.

>>14805561
Its okay.
The fanbase is terrible.

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>>14805561
It's really fun.

For the most part it manages to avoid being fanservice shit which is really nice. It even avoids yuri pandering (at least in the main series, spinoffs are gay as fuck) which I actually liked despite being a massive yurifag.

It only tries to do two things and it does them well: tanks, and cute girls. So if you like at least one of those things it is probably worth checking out.

If you like it enough the amount of additional material is pretty substantial as well.

>>14805561
It's fucking shit

>>14805565
>>14805747
are retards

>>14805561
It's pretty damn good as far as cute girls doing cute things. Like >>14805747 said it lacks fanservice, and the characters are endearing. Don't be fooled, it isn't a military fantasy series a la Strike Witches/ Kantai Collection, but rather a straightforward sports series. Give it a few episodes to get going. It's one of the few series I'd recommend folks all ages.

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>>14805561
I didn't expect to like it but my friend convinced me and it wasn't as bad as I thought. The idea that tank combat is considered feminine is pretty funny and there's a good amount of historical jokes. If you're a WWII buff you might get a little more out of it
Anteater team the best

>>14805561
It's fun. It's a cast of cgdct characters put into a sports show. I definitely wouldn't call it deep or anything, but the characters have enough personal struggle to keep me invested in them instead of just relying on them being cute.
Also there's a lot of neat fanservice if you're into tanks. Don't expect realism though. Expect drifting panzers.

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>>14805561

>>14805838
>Like >>14805747 said it lacks fanservice, and the characters are endearing.
Why do you like lying, anon?

>>14805898
I mean it has some things people might find cute or sexy, but it doesn't go out of its way to put bouncing breasts and pantyshots in your face. The closest thing I can think of is Yuzu cleaning a tank in a swimsuit, but it's brief and it's more of a joke that her council mates made her do all the work by herself. So ergo 'lacking'.

It's not that deep of a series being a straightforward sports story, but watching the characters develop from episodes from bashful to confident, and from lazy to dedicated is kind of satisfying.

>>14805898
There's a few bath scenes, but that's it. And I don't mind those because it feels natural. Girls go bathe after matches and celebrate their victory. They don't start groping each other or something, because that'd feel out of character. It doesn't feel like the director decided to stop and stick in fanservice for the sake of it, but rather that the next scene happened to be in a bathhouse and cleavage is just a nice bonus that doesn't detract.

>>14805880
In all fairness, they make a deal about the cons of multi-track drifting in the TV series and most of what they do seem somewhat plausible given beefed-up automotive bits, but the Anzio OVA & the movie throws all that & more out the window.

And they benefit from it, in my opinion. Not even half an hour in and the Crusader platoon commanded by a madwoman drifts 180 degrees in unison.

>>14804383
Apparently we haven't; NO ONE in their right mind would send a Strycken against an enemy that's actually dangerous!

...

I hate my country's military.

>>14805344
Well, it's made of DU, for one thing.

>>14806101
Right, like a BMP/BTR (the rooskie Stryker equivalent) is gonna do some damage against a Stryker.

>>14805561
If you like high-school girls and the idea of WW2 tanks doing backflips and 360 noscopes but only have a passing interest in tanks it's probably enjoyable.

>>14806111
>BMP
You mean that thing with the stabilized automatic 30mm cannon won't be able to damage a vehicle only rated to withstand rifle-caliber rounds without addition applique armor?
Even the BTR's 14.5mm will turn a Stryker into Swiss cheese.

>>14806055
Oh yeah, the movie is great. Fuck realism, I wanna see tanks using other tanks as ramps to jump off of each other.

>>14806186
Yes, why not ignore the fact that the BMP and BTR also have pathetic amounts of armor, iirc the BMP is only rated for 7.62x51mm from the rear.
The MGS can also mount a 105mm cannon, if that means anything.
Not to mention you seem to think that IFV's are built to go 1v1 against other IFV's, instead of providing transportation and fire support to infantry.

Aren't Tanks and IFVs as outdated as the F-22 Raptor or the A-10 Warthog? We're never going to fight against an enemy equipped with them, after all. It'll just be hunting terrorists in deserts and dusty cities.

>>14806226
Going by that logic, we might as well disband militaries and just roll with law enforcement agencies and special operations units.
There's never a guarantee that you won't fight against an enemy worth a damn, and having a decently funded and trained military is a deterrent all on its own. Besides, the US relies on its military to keep global trade favorable to the west.

>>14806229
>>14806226
>>14806202
>>14806195
>>14806186
Everyone just needs to have lots of sex.

>>14806202
You are arguing with an autist who regularly lies and shitposts about American military equipment and avoids /k/ where more knowledgeable anons would call him out.

>>14806241
I know, his posting style is immediately recognizable.
I'm just posting in case other, less knowledgeable anons are misled by his claims.

>>14806229
Well isn't that the argument people make? There's no reason to really have a military in this day and age.

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>>14806202
The statement was:
>like a BMP/BTR (the rooskie Stryker equivalent) is gonna do some damage against a Stryker.
Which is completely wrong, there is no dancing around it.

>The MGS can also mount a 105mm cannon
It's good, but nothing special, lots of military's produce similar versions of their own vehicles.
Pic related.

>Not to mention you seem to think that IFV's are built to go 1v1 against other IFV's,
They are expected to be able to hold their own against enemy IFV's when they inevitably meet, rather than having to rely on someone else to rescue them.


>>14806241
And you sound like you are butthurt that you can't engage and try to prove me wrong yourself.
I post on /k/ a lot more than I do on /m/, but don't let that stop you from making up a narrative about me.

>>14806254
Those people are retarded.
>>14806258
Well technically considering the US is the only one to field the Stryker in any capacity, any armor going up against one would most likely be taken care of by air assets first ;^)

>>14806258
>I post on /k/ a lot more than I do on /m/
Please, point out the posts you've made in teh current /thg/ then.

>>14806258
>I post on /k/ a lot more than I do on /m/

If you did you would have a more solid grasp of facts.

>>14806265
>any armor going up against one would most likely be taken care of by air assets first ;^)
That's both correct and beside the point. ʘ‿ʘ

>>14806279
>>14806288
The thread has been going for days now and I have a dynamic IP, there is no way for me to prove I have posted in teh current /thg/ at all.
Besides, do you want to "uh-huh" "nuh-uh" with me or do you have something to say concerning what I have written that is incorrect?