Is the Gundam MKII pretty much a straight upgrade over the RX-78

>>14737025
It's much lighter and faster which is what counts when beams vaporise armour.

Come to think of it, would that scene in Destiny where they sortie the Strike Rouge be a pretty accurate depiction of what would happen if they sent out an RX-78 during Zeta? Every shot with a beam weapon tore off a limb, it was just a torso by the end.

>>14737027
It also has a panoramic monitor, a linear seat, the Movable Frame, drops the Core Fighter for a more solid design, and probably could carry multiple sets of the vulcan headphones and swap them out, giving it more ammo for those.

>>14737025
Its more of a test machine than anything, for the new movable frame system, thats why it doesn't get mass-produced in its original form and they need to give it an upgrade in the form of the 'Super Gundam'.

But yes it has many advantages over the original, if it was built out of Lunar Titanium it would be all around better.

>>14737039
HAH! Not if they are Zeon OYW suits, then they can still somehow manage to beat Zeta MS.

>>14737171
Late-production Zeon designs basically can't be compared to anything else in the OYW.

>>14737195
Except its not just late-production, its retarded aquatic suits fighting on land,

And a Gelgoog is hardly huge leaps and bounds beyond the RX-78

>>14737202
That's bad writing if anything.

>>14737171
That's because Payloads >>>> Platforms.

>>14737136
What happened to the magnetic coating tech? I know the RX-78-2 and the Alex had it, but was it dropped after 0079 or implemented further?

>>14737213
Some of them literally had nothing but a heat saber, shitty throwing blades and its fists.

>>14737238
It becomes a stock feature after the One Year War.

>>14737025
Well yeah, of course.

Why would the improved version built years later be worse?

>>14737171
>>14737213
Being lighter gives you a huge mobility advantage in space and high altitude battle; that's not as true on land. This is why the remnants were able to make a little stand. A Dom for example is still significanlty more mobile on Earth than a GMIII or a Nemo.

That, and the element of surprise, and the fact that they were all veterans with a battle plan fighting a bunch of unprepared randos (at first).

It's also an important distinction that they're not "aquatic suits," they're amphibious. Zeon's OYW aquatic suits were all designed to invade/infiltrate Jaburo. While they could fight well underwater, their ability to fight on land was actually more important as they didn't expect there to be undersea Federation MS to compete with anyway.

The normal sized suits like the Z'Gok were considered fairly fast on land. The Juaggu was slow, not because it was designed to swim, but because it's covered in gigantic weapons. Most of these undersea suits packed some kind of mega particle weapon if not several. The humble Acguy has the machine gun firepower of 4 GMs (while it has ammo anyway). It also wasn't uncommon for them to simply carry missiles where one might expect them to carry torpedoes.

In short you need to step your Gundam autism up

>>14737249
The Zogok is retarded, but I think that was the whole point of having it cameo. They wanted to reference an obscure, stupid design and let it do one cool thing before it died.

>>14737202

Being more advanced doesn't mean you're immune to earlier models. It might make it more difficult to obtain a win condition, but surprise and other environmental factors can help tip the scales and their weapons are still functional even against newer models.

>>14737317
Didn't it litterally just take down one Gm then immedially loose an arm and get tourched by the brylent?

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So how long is it gonna be before we get an OVA in which Zeeks with unmodified OYW suits are assraping Victory era suits because "lol EXPERIENCE"

>>14737328
We will see a single Zaku hamburger Take off Victorys head

>>14737202
>>14737204
just look at 0080, or the original series. amphibious MS were not primarily designed to kill submarines or fight Aqua GMs. their primary purpose was to launch surprise attacks on powerful land targets. they had plenty of firepower and mobility on land. except for the zogok of course. we designed him badly, as a joke!

>>14737328
The mc from crossbone ghost dicked around against sans care suits in a zaku that was literally a museum piece for awhile

>>14737353
I bet the guy that made the gouf made the zogock he probably thought the Gouf lost out to the Dom because of the Goufs focus on range armaments

>>14737354
He wasn't fighting in it though, they made it especially clear that he was hopelessly outclassed in that stolen Zaku. He only survived because of 3D imaging errors and cause the X-0 was drawing everyone else's aggro all at once.

>>14737025
nigga it's literally the MKII. what did you think it would lose out it in, other than the big armor change?

>>14737372
Sometimes successor suits are actually garbage. See the aestavalis-x.

>>14737401
well...the X-Valis was doomed due to a significant design flaw.

the Mark II is simply a better RX-78 series MS.

>>14737328
Only if its the newtype Chimps in Suits with FOUR GELGOOG RIFLES kicking the asses of F91/Crossbone Era MS

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>>14737286
>Why would the improved version built years later be worse?

>>14737462
It wasn't built to replace the F-22, idiot.

>>14737401
The X-tavalis was literally built by one dude out of spare parts he had lying around the hanger in his off-hours. The fact that it even worked at all, let alone had a gravity cannon that damn small is testament to how insane Uribatake is as an engineer.

>>14737472
You're right; it's built to replace the F-15 and the A-10.
Neither of which is it an improvement on.
Idiot.

>>14737481
It improves on both of them, Sprey.

>>14737472

Don't be a turbo-nigger like this guy.

>"The JSF program was designed to replace the United States military F-16, A-10, F/A-18 (excluding newer E/F "Super Hornet" variants) and AV-8B tactical fighter and attack aircraft."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

>>14737485
Thought that said F-18. It wasn't intended to replace the F-15 at all, retard.

>>14737487
Exactly

>>14737025
Yes, almost.
The success of the morvable flame meant that it was immediately rendered obsolete in favor of transformable mobile suits before its test type was even fully complete. The Teetons saw no point to spending the money on Luna Titanium armor and moved right along into developing the Hambrabi, Asshammer, etc.

There is one area the Mk II did not keep up with the RX-78-2, though: the Core Block system. That was supposed to be one of the big advantages the V Project had over Zeon's early mobile suits because a disabled MS might only need to have its torso or legs swapped out (though we didn't actually see this put to use until Victory) and the Gundam, Guncannon, and Guntank top and bottom parts were all interchangable (we never saw this at all). The movable frame concept didn't really allow for the core block, so the Mk II doesn't get that handy escape fighter.

But then again, the advent of transformable MS led to the G-Defensor and the Mk II became the SUPER GUNDAM to keep up. Kind of funny that the G-Defensor got a core fighter but the Mk II didn't.

>>14737308

>Implying /m/ actually watches any of the shows it complains about

Only true autists can enjoy mecha anymore. Everybody else here is retards from /toy/ and /co/

>>14737485
>it improves on both

>by performing worse than either

That's not how "improvement" works, though.

>>14737528
Here's your (You)

>>14737487
>wikipedia

>/m/ cannot into Hi-Lo
F-22 and F-35 are to Hi what F-15 and F-18 are to Lo

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>>14737548
F-16 is Lo, F-18 is straight up multipurpose.

>>14737598
>F-18 is straight up multipurpose.

That is the Super Hornet one yes?
The regular Hornet is more on the Lo side methink...

>>14737832
Hi Lo falls apart in carrier contexts. The 18 line up until you hit Growler are all raw multirole platforms.

Like if we still had the Tomcat then you could say the Tomcat is the hi to the bugs' low. But now it's a really murky issue of multirole platforms chosen based on what you can mount on them. Manned missile carriers, if you will.

>>14737863
Hi-Lo was really more of an Air Force thing anyways, it should really be phased out anyway.

Mk II a best everything else a shit

Best looking 'stock' gundam. Love that fucking suit.

>>14737863
>Growler is bad
Explain further?

>>14738019
I disagree in the era it was created in it could have done much more it was jack of all trades the only reason it wasn't completely overshadowed by specialized MS was due to it mostly being piloted by new-types if I remember correctly.

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>>14737878
>it should really be phased out anyway.

This. Hi-Lo is a dumb concept forced upon the USAF by congress because they were too cheap to buy more F-15s and the yuros couldn't afford the F-16 without America buying a bunch themselves to bring the price down.

>>14738019
Yeah, it might be underpowered but it's top notch when it comes to vanilla gundam designs.

Isnt the MK2 the most common Gundam in early UC lore? OG gundam and the Zetas were basically unique suits

>>14737353
Please, the Zogok isn't nearly as bad as the Agguguy

>>14738035
Where did you get that? He was saying that it's the first of the -18 family that's not pure multirole. Which is true, since as the Prowler's replacement it's strictly EW.

>le Lightning is still bad maymay
2009 called, they want their aviation memes back

>>14738627
What do you mean common? In terms of how many they made? They only ever made three units of the Gundam Mark II and only one was really used in the Gryps war, whereas there's about a dozen different RX-78 types and they built at least one of each type.