hey /m/. relativly new, about done with zeta. i just had a question.

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>>14700251
If Bandai calls it a Gundam it's a Gundam. Don't look any deeper than that.

>>14700251
Gundam is a title.

>>14700251
Gundams usually have that Gundampaintscheme, white, blue, red with a golden V. Usually that's the combination.

The head looks rather Gundam-like, I think it gets a pass.

>>14700258
thats a pretty cool suit. playing catch up fucking sucks

>>14700264
The actual amount of gundams that don't have those colors are staggering. For most things to be a gundam it has to be called such. Delta & Delta Kai are gundams, Hyaku Shiki & Delta Plus are not. There are a few exceptions though, like the Amakusa.

>>14700325
>The actual amount of gundams that don't have those colors are staggering.

Damn really? So it's all in the name then, seems pretty simple.

>>14700341
Basically, though in Wing & IBO their reasons are "mobile suit made from this specific material, it is a Gundam" and "if it's built on this frame, it is a Gundam" respectively.

>>14700251
Basically the only real rule is whether the model kit box says "Gundam" on it.

In-universe, the Hyaku Shiki is a sort-of Gundam. The Delta Gundam project had problems with its transformation, being an early attempt at transformable mobile suits, and they eventually gave up and built the robot mode as a non-transformable and that's what Hyaku Shiki is. Basically, it would have been Delta Gundam if they'd gotten its transformation to work, but they didn't so it's just Hyaku Shiki.

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Gundams have to have a v-fin, or some variant thereof.

>>14700401
Gundam EZ-8 has no V-fin. Neither does Turn A.

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>>14700401
so whats ez8?

>>14700411
>>14700414
Ez-8 is just a custom Ground Gundam, which means it had one originally. It's the transvestite of Gundams.

Turn A has the mustache, which still counts.

>>14700421
a lot of gundums from g gundam didnt have them

>>14700431
I can't think of any.

>>14700251
Simple, it just has to have the name Gundam.

Rick Dias was almost called Gamma Gundam, Char advised against it.

It depends on the verse
heck the MK II doesn't even use the lunar alloy the RX-78 had.

>>14700251
>whats the line between a normal mobile suit and a gundam

Literally nothing besides the nomenclature.

>>14700398
This nigga got it right

>>14700546
Mk II was such a nice design, pity it was underpowered.

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>>14700258

This guy gets it.

Can a gundam be mono eyed?

inb4 zeta zaku

>>14700560
Rick dias was going to be called gamma gundam

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>>14700560
That depends, is this a Gundam?

>>14700556
One of the reasons i liked GBF was the Build MK II
Them laser cannons man

>>14700560
Sisquiede

The ATMOS

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>>14700560
Ye

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>>14700560

What >>14700579 said. Pity there's no kit

>>14700608
I still think calling that a Gundam is a copout, somehow.

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>>14700616
If the Gusion can be a Gundam, then surely we can give the G line a break.

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>>14700522
What about the Re-GZ?

The G stands for Gundam, so it is a Gundam?

>>14700639
Re-GZ is a refined Zeta, so yes, it's still technically a gundam.

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>>14700639
What about the GM? They're just mass-produced RX-78-2's.

Gundams are usually limited production or one-off mobile suits that use various prototype technologies and materials. So that being said, they are usually the mobile suits that push the envelope and advance the tech farther. It also has something to do with the name and titles these mobile suits have. Not everything has the traditional colors nor the v-fin and eyes, or even the usual face.

However, that is only common rules and really applies heavily to UC. The same can be applied to X.

In G, they are more so national fighting robots, as there are indeed military mobile suits. Almost all these mobile fighters are Gundams.

In Wing, they are made of a specific material and also are designed specifically around the designs of the Proto Zero and any other designs stemming what the five scientists made.

In SEED, it's quite similar to UC guidelines but also have to have their name Gundam stem from an acronym spelling it out.

In 00, Gundams are the mobile suits using the traditional GN Drive or have been designed by Celestial Being, like the Reborns. However, Gundam is also a title, according to Setsuna. Basically anyone fighting for peace is a Gundam.

And in IBO, Gundams are Gundams because they use a similarly designed Gundam Frame incorporating dual Ahab reactors.


Honestly, you could've watched the video made by Zeta Rise. It's nice.

>>14700646
Isn't the GM just an MS that was created using combat data that the RX-78-2 gathered? I don't think it was made using the RX-78-2 itself as a base.

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>>14700640
What about the ZII and Zetaplus?? They are Zetas but have no Gundam in their name, so they are not Gundams?

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>>14700251
>does pic related not count as a gundam?
No, but this does.

>>14700267

You get to experience everything for the first time, you should enjoy it.

>>14700662
If they're modifications of the Zeta line, then the 'gundam' part is implied.

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>>14700659
>Isn't the GM just an MS that was created using combat data that the RX-78-2 gathered? I don't think it was made using the RX-78-2 itself as a base.
What are you talking about? They have the same basic frame/structure and even have near-identical thrust and weight figures. The main difference is that the GM is made with cheaper components all around, but to the same general design.

>>14700251
Its literally a recycled rejected Zeta Gundam Design, much like the Gold MS in Turn A
So yeah it was originally drawn with being a Gundam in mind but nah, Sunrise says it aint so it aint.

>>14700251
Isn't it a modified MK2?

>>14700380
>"mobile suit made from this specific material, it is a Gundam"
Virgos, though.

>>14700974
Mercurius and Vayeate, too.

>>14700421
>Gundams that lack a V-fin
Ez-8
Victory Hexa
Tantra

>Mobile suits that have a V-fin, yet are not Gundams
Silver Bullet
Striker Custom

>>14700969
No

MKII was developed in house by the Titans. Kamille's Parents were both working on the project it was a test bed for many new MS technologies like the linear seat and the movable frame.

Anaheim Electronics made the Hyaku Shiki. After the war Anaheim bought up all those now defunct Zeon MS houses like Zeonic and Zimmad and combined that with their existing federation tech and started a project to merge the best elements from both sides. It was called project γ and the ultimate culmination was the γ Gundam which was renamed Rick Dias since after the inclusion of so much Zeon tech no longer resembled a Gundam, off shoots of this project were the Nemo and the Dijeh. After they finished with project γ Anaheim started work on project δ which would focus on new advances like transformable MS design the main project was the δ Gundam which used a difficult and complicated transformation and mostly failed, it was scrapped and turned into the Hyaku Shiki. Using what they learned from Project δ they started Project ζ which resulted in the Zeta Gundam.

>>14701392
And how the fuck kamille designed zeta if most of the tech was on prototype level?

>>14701397
Two options: inconsistent lore, or Kamille designed it and Anaheim worked out how to actually make the thing work.

>>14701401
Maybe he designed as a standard MS and Anaheim jacked with the transformable frame

>>14701397
Kamille solved the key issues with the design that caused delta to fail?

>>14700719
ZII isn't really a modification of the Zeta, it's just a Methus in a Zeta costume.
>>14701407
No, Kamille designed a trasformable MS that was way better than what Anaheim's designs and they built it after Apolly sent them a copy of Kamille's design. It's explicitly stated in the anime that Kamille designed it to transform for atmospheric reentry.

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>>14700264
Nope.

>>14700341
Yup

>>14700380
Nope (but all Gundams are built out of Gundanium in Wing)

>>14700414
Is it called "Gundam Ez8?" Yes, it is.

>>14700640
No, it's not. The shorthand name denotes it's origin, but Re-GZ is not a Gundam.

If it were a Gundam, it would be called "Gundam Re-GZ."

On that note, Z Plus isn't a Gundam either, even though it looks 100% like one.

>>14700662
ZII, in spite of it looking and acting 100% like a Gundam, technically *is not.* For whatever reason, the boys at Anaheim never thought to designate it as one.

>>14700719
No, this is incorrect. The only thing that implies that a mobile suit is a Gundam is the word "Gundam" in it's official title (as in, part of it's ACTUAL name, not an acronym, shorthand, or lineage.)

>>14700529
>>14700571
A bizarre true factlet. It's appearance at the time looked nothing like a Gundam; the engineers at Anaheim just thought it was awesome enough to want to call it "Gundam" at the time.

>>14700398
>Basically the only real rule is whether the model kit box says "Gundam" on it.
Best post in the thread. There have been times that people in-universe have referred to non-Gundams as Gundams based on their appearance and been incorrect. The truth is, the only thing that denotes a mobile suit as a "Gundam" type is the word Gundam in it's name, and the easiest way to figure that out is by looking at the Gunpla's official title.

Basically, the word "Gundam" is just a name in-universe and nothing apart from their reputation makes a Gundam special for being a Gundam. You can have a Gundam face and still get all the benefits of the title (or disadvatages, in the case of Riddhe's Delta Plus vs Marida in the Banshee) but at the end of the day, whether or not your mobile suit is called "Gundam" is entirely incidental and not of any actual benefit.

>>14700251
>does pic related not count as a gundam?
Hyaku Shiki was based off L-gaim from (you know) L-gaim. Since Nagano was fucking lazy and rehashed the design,

>>14700401
Where can I get that devil gundam bust?

>>14701478
And the Hyaku Shiki in OP's pic was the Fujita version. What's your point.

>>14701637
>Fujita version
He only edited/clean it.

>>14700979
>>14700974
Both made from gundanium

I always figured (atleast in the UC) that Gundams where just a name for amazingly made machines.

Like, for all intent and purpose, a gundam and a MS are the same thing, except the gundam has far better armor, 1 of a kind detailed design for that model that cant be mass produced due to complexity/costs, better system and parts, etc.

Kinda like a Lamborghini vs a honda. Both are cars, but the difference between them is what seperates from car and sports car sorta deal.

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>>14701725
>I always figured (atleast in the UC) that Gundams where just a name for amazingly made machines.

The vanilla GM is better than this thing is just about every category but armor material.

>>14700258
OG Gusion was a fucking waste

>>14700445
fucking maxter gundam and dragon gundam, you turbopleb.

>>14700258
but the Gusion's frame looks like a traditional gundam when you take off all that armor off

the Gusion Rebake probably looks more like it originally looked like

>>14701478
>Since Nagano was fucking lazy and rehashed the design

Except that Hyaku Shiki looks nothing like L-Gaim.

>>14701842
Both of them have V-fins.

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>>14702128
Actually, Nagano designed pic related but it was eventually scrapped and turned into the Hyaku Shiki.

>>14702203
Still not seeing how that looks anything like L-Gaim, but whatever.

>>14702243
I was just pointing it out.
I meant to reply to the other guy

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>>14702203
There is nothing similar, anon. If anything, it's just vaguely similar silhouettes only on certain parts.

I just think you're spreading misinformation for the sake of fueling your hateboner for Nagano.

>>14702251
I was trying to tell him that he was wrong and that the Hyaku Shiki was based on that instead of the L-Gaim you fucker.

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>>14701842
Are you blind or just retarded?

>>14701741
>The vanilla GM is better than this thing is just about every category but armor material.

The characters in the show make remarks about how powerful the RX-79 is. Hell, part way through the show they finally get beam weapons. There's a reason they make fun of Karen and call her "GM Head".

>>14700251
For me a Gundam is a mobile suit with state-of-the-art tech like your pic or >>14700258.

I always thought they were gundams because they were made from gundanium alloy or whatever it is. That would make other stuff like The O count as a "Gundam"

What do they do with old/obsolete Gundams? Does Anaheim Electronics maintain a Gundam Boneyard?

>>14701461
How did Kamillie even know how to do that?
Seriously, did he have a degree in engineering or something?

>>14704255
I think he did that sort of stuff as a hobby before he got roped into the AEUG stuff.

Even still, the fact that he basically designed his own mobile suit from the ground up is heavily overlooked.

>>14704255
Beginning of the series says he's won a few Mobile Suit championships or something like that.

Maybe he was studying to work for AE? His parents did work with the Titans.

Or maybe he's just a savant.

>>14704553
Was it really from the ground up? I thought he based it on the mk. 2

>>14704559
>do highschool engineering
>suddenly qualified in high grade millitary design

>>14704603
What would it have carried over? The Zeta's a really unique design, from its weapons to its overall looks to its core structure.

It's hard for me to imagine a high schooler designing a high-performance MS like that from scratch too too, but I don't see much inspiration from anything that existed prior to it.

>>14701461
>No, Kamille designed a trasformable MS that was way better than what Anaheim's designs and they built it after Apolly sent them a copy of Kamille's design. It's explicitly stated in the anime that Kamille designed it to transform for atmospheric reentry.

No they didn't. The Flying Armor, Hyaku Shiki, and Methuss were all prototypes for the Zeta. Kamille didn't just invent it one day, he designed a MS that was based on the Rick-Dias and Mk II's data and Apolly sent it to AE who gleaned the best stuff from his work. It's impressive but it's a huge difference between a guy designing a perfect MS and a guy designing a workable design that could serve as an interesting point from which new technologies could be designed and tested by actual professionals.

As far as secondary sources are concerned Kamille's primary contribution was in helping AE solve their problems with the transformation mechanism from their Delta Gundam project so they could create a new mechanism that transformed properly.

>>14704622
I don't know, that's what he said in the show, and basically what >>14704633 said (and I think you meant Astonaige?)

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>>14704640
>>14704633
When the Zeta Gundam does appear, Kamille doesn't recognize it. Also, later sources such as databooks claim that Anaheim always had a "Zeta Project" that was aiming to develop a true high end transformable MS.

>>14704603
>>14704622
He says he took inspiration fro the Rick Dias and MKII and just sort of mashed them together.

>>14704656
>Also, later sources such as databooks claim that Anaheim always had a "Zeta Project"

Well, does that mean it's just a coincidence that Kamille happened to come up with the same name?

>>14704606
well it helps he seems to be rather advanced in terms of engineering ability as seen from the fact helps Astinage with maintaining the gundam's so I dont think he is at high school level but much farther ahead like another anon said he is likely a savant

>>14700251
No V.

>>14704680
He probably stole the basic idea from a scrapped project his dad was on.

>>14704979
>Titans had the basis for the Zeta Gundam all along

>>14705007
They had transformable MS like the Psyco, Gaplant and cheese wheel before Zeta was produced.

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If anyone could read nip you might actually figure this out.

So is the 00 Qan[T] still a Gundam? It's not in the official name.

>>14705251
It has a proper GN drive, I don't see why not.

>>14705384
00R and 00Q dropped Gundam from its designation because they are supposed to be machines that surpass Gundams, though.