About to watch this. What am I in for? Have watched votoms

>>14657876
ugly people
weird korean cartoon robot physics
great robot designs
good story

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How would you Fang of the Sun into SRW?

>>14657888
Maybe something like Megazone 23 where the biker gang come in for a ground-exclusive attack.

>>14657876
>About to watch this. What am I in for? Have watched votoms and layzner.

You're in for a shock, Votoms and Layzner are very 80s anime. Dougram is not. Although it was made in the early 80s it has much more in common with 70s era anime. You can see this in how the action is choreographed. Layzner and Votoms have much more dynamism than Dougram.
As far as the story goes, it's very slow. Interesting with plenty of things going on but slow. 70+ episodes explain this. The main characters motivation for fighting is a bit stupid but he's like Amuro on a mostly desert-like planet.

>>14657885
Op here. Just watched the first 2 episodes, am hooked already.

Also agree with the weird faces, whats with them anorexia cheek bones?

>>14657911
They're guerillas living in the middle of the desert. They're malnourished.
Crinn gets /fit/ as fuck with time, though.

>>14657888
I didn't know this until recently, but there's actually a game with Dougram in it: Brave Sagas (1 and 2) on the PS1.

>>14657964
Yeah, those are basically Takara Robot Wars, featuring Brave and other shows sponsored by Takara.

>>14657964
Daisy has the same cheekbones, right from the beginning.

>>14657876
>About to watch this. What am I in for?
Started in 2009, just finished the first half of the series.

Make of that what you will.

>>14658016
yeah it takes some stick-to-it-iveness to keep at it at times
So far I've had good luck with rotating through two eps a week

>>14658007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRE9dxqbIU
After 1:00

>>14658015
Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't her mother have the same cheekbones? Or is it Crinn's sister?

>>14658076
Here's the whole chapter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4EwQ7gORVk

>>14657876
Does that strap ever come off or is this how Crin's outfit always look like?

>>14657964
What are you talking about, Crinn was fit from the beginning.

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>>14658091
>Does that strap ever come off
only when he goes for his submission move

>>14658076
Man the voices for Jojo and Chirico sound quite different from their SRW appearances.

>>14658100
Sorry anon but I don't get your joke, but seriously does that strap ever come from?

From the episodes I found on YT it never did but that wasn't even half of the total run.

>>14657888
Put it in a Diesel Punk setting. Gundam X, Xabungle, all that shit. Make the Deloyer colonies an attempt to terraform the post-apocaylptic Earth, with the Federation relocating offworld.

>>14657876
Politics. Lots and lots of politics.

>>14658016
Well i've cleared 6 episodes since making the thread, so it seems im good.

>>14658177
Like Alpha Gaiden when it had Gundam X, Xabungle and Turn A all in one setting apart from the others via time travel? Honestly it seemed to work pretty well and they put actual effort into blending them

Speaking of SRW and post-apocalyptic settings, how did the modern ones work in TTGL to the game? Was it similarly aligned with above mentioned shows of a similar atmosphere somehow?
Or did they just slam Gurren Lagen in with little finesse.

>>14658247
TTGL has only been in one game technically though, and lots of space time shenanigans caused it to merge with Code Geass and other worlds.
It's a good fit with Votoms.

>>14657876
Take I take that strap off?

Post shirtless Crinn

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>>14658449
I can see why they never draw his nipples apart from tbis.

>>14658334
Stop jerking Crinn's cock and try typing that again with both hands this time.

So i heard that this has the second highest ratings after Trider g7 for a sunrise original series. What does that mean? Is gundam not inc,uded because of bandai?

>>14658475
MY NIPPLES LOOK LIKE MILK DUDS

>>14658507
Can I take his strap off?

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>>14657885
I disagree with those first two things.

>>14658515
>Is gundam not included because of bandai?
Maybe, but that wouldn't make sense as Dougram was also a series with kits and the like at the time of its airing, and we know that Gundam, on its first time airing, got less-than-stellar ratings.

Dougram's ratings alone were enough for it to get 75 as opposed to 50 episodes. That's saying something.

In regards to OP's question you're going to get a very long story with occasional drama and loads of fights and some politicking/philosophical stuff. IMO it's pretty fun, and a must watch if you want real robot action. Since you're already six episodes in I'd say just to enjoy yourself and see how things unfold.

Also, modern kits!

>>14658515
Wasn't the original gundam almost cancelled?

>>14657888
For some reason, i got a feel that Dougram goes well with Iron Blooded Orphans. Just replace Mars with Deloyer and it'll work

>>14658618
I believe Dougram came during a time where people started to appreciate Gundam style storyline. Which is a toy commercial that has some depth into its character, story and has a generally gray moral stand point. It was to a point that even kids are smart enough to watch it.

>>14658675
Dougram actually didn't seem very toyetic to me.

>No parade colours
>Very few robot models
>What robots the show does have are basically all the same except for paint job and the head (much like VOTOMS) except for the rare crab gunner which is openly stated to be outdated and crappy multiple times anyway
>Combined arms are incredibly effective. Some schmuck on foot can blow up a robot with a big enough gun

Granted, Dougram itself was practically invincible.

>>14658675
I think it was less about a Gundam-style story and more just how enthralling Dougram itself was.

>>14658702
I think there were still enough Combat Armors for a good toyline, plus you got plenty of CA variants and non-CA models, such as the Crab Gunner variants, the Duey, the Mavellic, Native Dancers, Bromry trailers. etc.

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>>14658702
Crab Gunner is pretty kawaii

>>14658752
>tfw in-scale Crab Gunners are taller than most humanoid CAs
I want Max Factory to make a modern Crab Gunner.

>>14658783
That just makes them seem even more implausible and useless, what were they originally meant to combat?

>>14658751
>a good toyline
also the Fang's guns and their headsets (and the episode they're introduced in) might as well have been in GI Joe

>>14658751
I was wondering if they made models for the helicopters and carriers they used in the show

Pretty sure the crab gunners were counted as combat armors though

>>14658702
It seemed to be under the same executive orders as whatever Gundam 0079 was under,
>large, tall mecha
>new mecha designs every now and then
>special-snowflake MC mecha that's blue yellow red
The difference seems to be like what >>14658675 says, the execs and audience started "getting" what Gundam 0079 was meant to do, allowing Takahashi to use the Armors more like tanks and allowing Okawara to be smart about using the Blue/Red/Yellow, etc.

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>>14658810
pretty sure I've seen them of the Dewey, a few seconds on ebay came up with some of the other vehicles

>>14658798
This logic kills all mecha. At any rate they worked, they overhwelmed the North Pole Airport, they gave Soltics a good run for their money, and generally stood as proper combatants against whatever they had to face. I like Crab Gunners.

>>14658810
They are, I was mentioning them because they have more variants than any other CA I know of. You have files and the like for the unused Fire Gunner, a model kit for a Crab Gunner with an AA platform, the Tequila Gunners that showed up in-show, and I once saw a picture of a custom Crab Gunner model which had been modified into an agricultural vehicle.
You also had the Junk Dealer variant, which mounted a crane and worked in salvage.

>>14658702
>Granted, Dougram itself was practically invincible.

Well not in a desert. It got its ass kicked several times and only a suicidal bike attack on the desert crab mecha destroyed it thereby saving Dougram.
Dougram also needs a transport platform to go from point A to point B. Take out the transport you seriously inhibit Dougrams ability to move across the land.

>>14658843
yeah as much as it pulls Dougramwinslol they do a decent job of giving it hurdles to clear on the way to winslol.

>>14657876
Quality story telling occasionally interrupted by robots

>>14658798
Until Dougram gets the Linear Cannon, there's no Combat Armor (even on enemy side) that could take a Crab Gunner head-on, because its armor is much thicker. They had to fire on them from below or above to do any significant damage.

Gundam from the perspective of the vietcong.

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Anyone else feel like a lot of the robot fighting in this is a bit shoe horned in?
Like Takahashi just wanted to talk about politics and economics for an episode, but he writes in 2 minutes of robots at the end because one of the sunrise execs started looking over his shoulder.

>>14659690
Yeah, this was essentially his first major project, at a time when more (relatively) grounded mecha shows were going through their baby steps.

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If the mecha is called "Dougram", then who is Doug?

>>14659690
Honestly, it kind of makes the show seem strange in retrospect since none of the rest of Takahashi's work has that same political angle to it. Or at least I think it doesn't. I still haven't watched anything he directed after the 80s.

>>14659821
Wasn't flag super political?

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>>14657876
The boxkits had the fucking coolest tagline

>>14659850

I like how it's juuusttt Engrishy enough to sound weird to fluent English speakers.

>>14659857
Weren't these sold in America with the taglines intact?
Must have been fucking confusing.
I wonder how well Dougram would have done ratings wise if it got dubbed and released overseas. Kids might have gotten bored from all the talking. They probably would have had to edit out some of the more violent stuff like the hospital scene.

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>>14659850
>tfw the box art is some of the best art us gaijins can lay hands on
>even with that there's loads of boxart that only exists in antworthy form

>>14659890
It would probably been huge among young adults and teens (GEEKS)

>>14659821
I kind of get the impression that the reason Kanda was around was to keep Takahashi from leaning too far in the mystical/fantasy direction.

Granted, Mozaika was fully a fantasy series to start with, but still.

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>>14659890

They were released by Revell in a line called "Robotech" (unrelated to the later show) that was an attempt at cashing in on the growing robot craze. It also had Macross (!) and Orguss merch included in the line. It did okayish.

Something amusing is that there was a two issue comic made for the line, featuring oddities such as a talking, sentient Dougram. I've added a picture of this to my post.

Most importantly, this series seems to be how some of the Dougram designs bled into BattleTech.

Some info

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32476&view=print

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotech_Defenders

>>14659905
If you keep an eye out on ebay you can probably find some decent photos of the boxes at least

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>>14659951
I already have a bunch of those, I got 'em a month or so ago. There are even more boxes, however, for the various different plastic and diecast models in their varying scales.

Flickr and a few japanese galleries also have some stuff, though the latter's are unfortunately smaller in general.

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>>14659964
have you tried Yahoo Japan's auctions? I've found a few pics of interest there every now and then.

Also regarding the mainstream Western sales back in the day, a thousand years ago when Epcot was EPCOT Center they sold model kits in the big gift shop.
I've heard they had various Japanese robot models back then. iirc it was mentioned by the author in one of the filler columns in the old single issue It's Science! With Dr Radium comics.

>>14658515
The original Gundam's sales were shit.

>>14658843
Dougram gets its ass kicked a few times, but the amount of times it gets out of fights either totally unscathed or with only one arm seriously damaged is hilariously big.

Also, the transport being a weakness is less of an issue when you consider that flatbed trucks owned by the good guys in that show are made of fucking Nintendium. I think the one they get after that whole Race thing ended up lasting them all the way until the last arc or somesuch, and was never seriously damaged in that time.

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>>14660007
It really must be frustrating to be a Soltic pilot. You get a point blank direct hit on Dougram and all it does is shake the pilot around a little bit.

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>>14660007
>Dougram gets its ass kicked a few times, but the amount of times it gets out of fights either totally unscathed or with only one arm seriously damaged is hilariously big.
Dougram shooting from its arm keeps reminding me of Hogan's YOU when they show it from the right perspective

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>>14657876
It took me around 2 months to get past the first 50 episodes, but I marathoned the last 30 in one night. I highly recommend sticking to it.

>>14657885
>ugly people
I still find a lot of them more appealing to look at than what's popular in Japanese character design trends today.

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>>14660069
>it's another Daisy stares wistfully out the window whilst Lartoff plays a tiny violin scene

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SCRANDER ON
SOLTIC SOAR

>>14659178
>Gundam from the perspective of any insurgent forces fighting colonial power from 50s to 70s.

FTFY

>>14659843
That was background noise.
Main theme was about putting peaceful Japanese in a war torn land. And photo journalism.

>>14659821
>I still haven't watched anything he directed after the 80s.

Chinmoku no Kantai and Gasaraki .Funny thing is both are about Japan challenging the status quo of USA.
Alongwith Konpeki no Kantai, it makes me wonder whether he became right winger in 90s.

>>14661438
>Chinmoku no Kantai

Was it ever fully translated? Anime or manga?

>>14659937
>talkingdougram

Dammit America.

>>14661438
>Funny thing is both are about Japan challenging the status quo of USA during a period when the whole US side of the Iron Curtain was ablaze with news of how the Japanese would soon pick the US clean of its industry.

Surprising, really.

>>14661449
Zipang and Eagle are available.

>>14660069
Yeah I had the same kind of formula, but I spread the last 30 over a week. Goddamn did it pick up when the soldiers starting rebelling, maybe even before then with Zaltsev

>>14657876

Don't post on this board till you finish Dougram, Dunbine, Panzerworld Galient and Xabungle.

>>14661484
>US side of the Iron Curtain
>in mid 90s.

Now funny thing all that stuff you mentioned happened in 80s and would had been appropriate in Layzer's case. It is undeniable that his works in 90s tend to be rightist compared to 80s (with blatantly revisionist wank like Konpeki no Kantai).

>>14661570
Why doesn't Galient have Jojo shirtless?

>>14661438
Gasaraki isn't so much rightwinged as it just raises a few issues regarding the awkward position Japan faced in the 90's, such as the checkbook diplomacy utilized during the Gulf War.

Nishida's plan is arguably rooted in the relationship the Japanese domestic rice economy has with the world stage. To quote Wikipedia's brief article on Japanese rice production:

>As part of the government’s control of rice, rice imports are banned except in processed forms. Also, because of the disproportionate political power wielded by farmers, rice production is subsidized by the government. This aggravated trade frictions between Japan and the United States. Tokyo’s rationale for the ban is that self-sufficiency in rice is important for food security purposes. In addition domestic farm groups have long maintained that rice cultivation is part of Japanese culture. Hayami (1988) argued that Japanese consumers have become more tolerant of high rice prices because their food expenditure as a ratio of total expenditure has declined as their incomes rise(Hsu, 1994). Surprisingly, consumer groups have not actively supported the lifting of the ban in order to reduce the rice price. The main reason is reportedly the Japanese consumers’ demand for “high-quality” rice. Surveys do indicate that consumers believe that foreign rice tastes bad.[4]

There's also some interesting stuff about the rice scene in the mid-90's; Japan experienced a shortage crisis in 1994 which led to the opening of the market to foreign rice. Digging through some other material apparently prices for various grain products spiked in the early 90's as well, which falls in line with Gasaraki's what-if scenario for the second half wherein really crummy grain harvests worldwide begin to create friction between nations, leading towards Nishida coming in and essentially going "we either suffer together now, or we crash and burn as one, and I will gladly bet on Japan surviving an economic crash," more or less.

>>14661654
He was naked

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>>14661659
Dougram has food economics pop up in it.
News photographers, too.

It's interesting to see stuff he'd revisit in its earlier stages.

Op here at episode 29 now. Am i the only one who prefers watching the politicians then dougram and the rebels?

>>14662119
Nah. Especially at the point you're getting around to. One of the most irritating moments of the series for me is when something major looks like it's about to happen on the politics side at the end of one episode, but then the next goes off and focuses on a personal story on one of the FOTS and the prior matter doesn't get addressed at all until the episode after that.

I mean, it wasn't really a bad episode even, but the shit they left hanging was really interesting and also was a really big thing that proves to be immensely important.

>>14661659
Protectionist policy are ring wing too.

>>14658675
>>14658702
>>14658751

And stuff like that has made ask this: Why did mecha anime lose its way?

>>14665361
It didn't. Dougram is one show in a swamp of mecha shows of the time that aren't remotely similar. Stop pining for a time that didn't exist.

>>14665361
>lose its way

Reminder that in the same year as we got Dougram, the show that beat it for "best anime of the year" was a 64 episode borefest.

Mecha never had its way.

>>14666310
>64 episode borefest
Godmars? Man, it's crappy compared to Dougram. All 75 episodes of Dougram felt relevant to the plot but for Godmars, it's 2nd arc felt like a reskin of the 1st arc and is almost inconsequential to the 3rd arc.

NOT EVEN JASTICE
I WAN GET TOOTH

Did better RAWs for this ever come out? I remember that the X-Nebula release looked pretty shit.

>>14670986
AFAIK no.
I'm not sure whether or not Dougram has a kinda Mellowlink situation where we don't have the original reels either.

>>14670847
Shinjitsu wa meruka?

>>14657888
well for one thing it'd be best to stick to mostly low power level Real Robot series, and probably be careful about which Super Robot series to include as well

>>14658177
>>14658247
should keep Deloyer a separate Earth in my opinion

>>14666310
95% of GodMars episodes:
>10 minutes of talking
>Takeru and friends go out to investigate something or stop an enemy attack
>enemy general tries to convince Takeru to join Zule, despite him saying no every time, and is outraged when he declines
>Takeru starts fighting
>Takeru’s friends fly by in their fighter and try to help
>fighter gets hit in the wing and has to do a crash landing
>Takeru gets serious and forms GodMars
>”Onore, Mars!”
>Takeru wins without breaking a sweat

GodMars is the most formulaic super robot anime, and is also the worst mecha anime ever made, next to Kiss-Dum.

>>14672579
>Kiss-Dum
is Kiss-Dum really that bad, I'll admit I've only seen like 2 episodes of it so far, but it seemed okay enough

>>14672596
I've heard the director left after those two episodes, taking all the story with him, so every character was killed and the entire show was rebuilt from the ground up.

>>14661659
Now that's fascinating, thanks for the info. Now I kinda wanna take a trip to Japan to see if their rice really is better...

>>14661438
If Flag is anything going by, then yes.

>>14672579
You left out the best part
>Takeru starts fighting, often in a form of psychic combat that looks like overdramatic laser tag

>>14672596
You have greater tolerance towards it than I did. 2 episodes in, I was already shouting at the screen.

>>14672643
By "killed", I'm sure you really mean "missing but still alive and made to fight the MC, one by one, for the most contrived reasons imaginable".

I don't think there was a single character in that show who acted logically.

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Just got through 37 and 38
38 is great at being Dougram
everybody's got plans with in plans and double strategies and speeches and the ideals of the individual against the world in which they have to operate and family melodrama and then it all boils down to the bad guys are dumb and don't look down and then the good guy remembers to win and then he winslol
https://youtu.be/GnJPVNkaq8w?t=19m44s

>>14659923
Oh I thought you had died

Is the Taima still going on?

>>14673771
Yeah, that's how I watch it. If I keep it going all the time as background noise I have a much better chance of actually watching it.

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>>14673771
>>14673781
they were right
i did lost interest

I got some more rare lecoques though

>>14674260
wow that Lecoque looks way off model what were they thinking

>>14673676
Mirin Bruh

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>Rita pulling a Reccoa
For fucks sake.
Shouldn't she have known earlier that Destin was a spy? You'd think that they'd pass around notice of known traitors.

>>14676593
She was quite annoying.

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>>14657876

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>>14658702
>>14658752

>>14672652
People just like what they're familiar with. Chinks love Jasmine rice, Indians love Basmati rice. You see similar bias when new products like vegetable oil substitutes, processed cheese, and other cheaper alternatives hit many markets. It all disappears when supply is low and demand is high for the traditional product.

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>>14657876
Do we have a list like this for Crinns kill count? I wonder how many combat armours he takes out over the series.

>>14678366
No count of Amuro's onscreen kills in Zeta and CCA?

>>14657888
add it in with Mospeada

>>14672652
I figure it's a mix of domestic production bias, and a developed culinary preference for the sticky white ricestuffs.

Like, imagine having a salad recipe that calls for bell peppers, but you can only find jalapenos.

>>14682550

Yeesh, Steve Gutenberg is not handling that well.

>>14683701

Nice find. Anything else of value in it? Like differences between anime and manga?

>>14683758
>differences between anime and manga?
Isn't there one right there on those pages?
Pretty sure Rocky and the gang weren't there when Samalin showed Crinn Dougram and asked him to pilot it.

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>>14683758
I'm curious if it has the same political elements as the anime or was it done like the Gundam 0079 adaptation, where Tomino's "realistic mecha" ideas were thrown out the window.

>>14683825
Pic related looks true to the anime though.

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>>14683980
Nah, and there's Zgoks in space.

>>14683995
Or maybe that's Musai's in the water, idk.

>>14683995
>an aquatic mech can fight in space thanks to superior Zeon tech

First instance Zeon wank in recorded history?

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>>14684011
Doesn't look like Zeon wank to me.

>>14684017
>implying showing Kamikazing isn't zeon wanking.