I think it's been long enough that we can have a calm, civilized

as far as the movie itself goes, its not a masterpiece by any means. theres a lot of inconsistencies and plot holes but its still a solid 7/10

the marketing is where it got screwed.

>>14648639
It was flawed from the start, and its execution was on the level of your typical bayformer.

>>14648639
Nothing went wrong.
I wanted robots smashing Kaiju and I got it.

>>14648639

>Set out to make a "Love Letter to the Genre"
>Refuse to acknowledge any references and in fact try to pretend that they avoid all such influences in their work

>>14648670
So the spic pretended to be the very first man to come up with giant robots, and expected people to believe that?

>>14648670
>Set out to make a "Love Letter to the Genre"
>Make an Evangelion clone
>Pretend that you actually watched anything else
ftfy

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No substantial merchandising.
What all did it get, anyway? A brief Neca toy series and some comics?

Grown Ups 2 happened

>>14648639
Expected mechas vs kaijus. Got mechas vs kaijus. I was satisfied. If you're talking about why it failed with more broad audiences, it's probably just a question of (shit) taste. Transformers is an old childhood property for many, so adults think it's fine to watch 'ironically' for nostalgia. Mecha as a genre is still looked down on by a vast majority.

>>14648687
>eva clone
>pacific rim
Is this sarcasm? Because apart from mind-linked control of a giant robot (which eva did not invent, and worked notably differently in PR), Pacific Rim was nothing at all like eva. I legitimately can't tell if this is sarcasm, so apologies if it is, but the only possible way you'd think eva was at all similar to PR is either you don't watch any other mecha, or you didn't watch Pacific Rim.

>>14648639
Like every other western mecha property, it's just a pastiche with nothing new or original to offer.

>>14648639
>What went wrong with Pacific Rim?
There's nothing wrong with it.

>>14648664
>theres a lot of inconsistencies and plot holes
No there isn't.

>>14648670
Influences were stated, though.

>>14648687
It's nothing like Eva, newfaggot.

I wanted Robot Jox 2. I got Robot Jox 2 combined with a heisei Godzilla film.

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>>14648687

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>>14648952
>I wanted Robot Jox 2

Why?

>>14648664
The plot was rather simple, but it was consistent and solid. Most of the "plot holes" that got complained about were just people not paying attention.

It felt like the last film in a trilogy, the plot was too rushed. That intro explaining what happened when the first monster showed up should have been it's own movie.

>>14648722
>>14648934
>>14648954
>there are torotards
>on my /m/
fuck off back to /tv/ faggots

>>14648980
>Telling people that support Del Taco to leave
>having the gall to say "my /m/"
You are not fooling anyone

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>>14648955
>not wanting robot jox 2
Why not?

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>>14648986
>I didn't want the apocalypse to be cancelled.
You fool...

>>14648687
>implying Evangelion wasn't also a love letter to the genre

>>14648639

I'm ignored every time I say this, but Pacific Rim is Batman Begins. It's safe, it's predictable, it's paint by the numbers, and every single one of these is intentional. Like Batman Begins it exists for one reason alone, to make enough money for a sequel so the director can make the movie he actually wanted. In interviews with del toro he mentions that a lot of material was cut, and he was going to go hog wild with the sequel.

But in this case the approach was a failure. While PR made enough money overseas (Thank you China, Russia, and South Korea) the sequel is now looking like a total mess. No Beacham, No Del Toro. So I'm going to assume the world building and material they set aside for the sequel is going into the trash.

Because the first film took no risks, people are going to see it as bland.

>>14648986
Go back to Mexico, Juan

>>14649010
>cloning a love letter to the genre means you're also making a love letter to the genre
No.

>>14649070
My name is Carlos, I'll have you know.

>>14648639
>What went wrong with Pacific Rim?
Nothing, you're just a faggot stirring up shit

>>14649053
>Because the first film took no risks
>giant robot movie
>in medias res
>optimistic
>attempts to have a plot instead of 100% explosions
>not fap bait
>focus on mechanical design and other nerd shit instead of appealing to normalfags
>Because the first film took no risks

I won't ignore you this time, I'll just make fun of your opinion.

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>>14649074

>>14649127
>eva clone
>"""""risk"""""
Sure thing pal

>>14649173
How does it clone eva? Also, how can you clone eva if eva was already a clone?

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The only thing that went wrong was the Russian Big O getting 3 minutes of screen time

>>14649209
Even worse then, since he's cloning normie shit.

>>14649229
>normie shit
>giant robots

>>14649213
dude, the Chinese one jobbed even worse

you guys realise Eva is not about giant robots but about psychological stuff, right?
you also realise Pacific rim isn't about psychological stuff, but about giant robots, right?

>>14649235
but the chinese wasn't a fucking awesome nuclear reactor plant with legs.

>>14649209
Eva invented the idea of mecha. Also, kaiju. Also, human characters.

>>14649252
>but the chinese wasn't a fucking awesome nuclear reactor plant with legs.
Yes, but it did have six arms and giant buzzsaws on each arm iirc

>>14649280
wasn't it 3 arms?

well, it's still cool. just not as cool as cherno

>>14648639
I expected giant robots punching kaiju that's exactly what I got. I also feel like that they got bored and ripped some of the plot of Muv Luv Alternative because Guillermo must've been inspired by a 50 hour porn game.

>>14648639
Marketing and studio politics fucked it.

>>14649231
>eva
>not normie shit
get out

>>14649258
Hi there Del Toro.

As said by the only other sane poster here, Grown Ups 2 happened.

I went to see PacRim THREE TIMES, and every time, while in line with friends to buy tickets, we were surrounded by idiot families and their kids who were there to see Grown Ups 2.

Then again, I also saw Chappie exclusively for Die Antwoord, so my opinions on /m/ cinema are shit.

>>14649415
At least Adam Sandler last movie was a disaster, so that might be it for him.

It's actually kind of sad that he looks so tired of life. Considering how much me makes, and that he apparently has many friends, he always looks so miserable.

>>14649430
Think of it this way. Adam Sandler is not funny. He's not an actor and he isn't relevant. What does this mean? Adam Sandler is a great Hollywood businessman. He knows how to play the system and keeps getting his films made. The man is dead inside. He's a shuckster who lives for nothing but cash making the most terrible movies you can pitch to a group of idiots.

>>14648639
Execution was shit. The script was plain garbage and the action scenes were Bayformers tier clusterfucks.

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>>14648639
Too many plotholes, major inconsistency, and a hard ending without any legitimate hint of a possible sequel, unlike Marvel movies with their secret credits preview or Transformers with some sort of monologue about how it's not really the end. The bit about the goddamn shoe doesn't count as a sequel tease.

Also, a distinct lack of more Jaeger action. Cherno and Crimson jobbed in the same battle they sortied for. Eureka was also useless in the same initial debut. All 3 of them didn't get much action outside of some news flashback or mention. Coyote also only got "shown" as part of a nightmare flashback, not even showing Pentacost at least appearing out of the machine as her actual savior.

And overall, it just felt rushed.

Anyway, does anyone know the pixiv artist's account for the Femacost/Kawaijiu/Jaegirls 4komas? Or if there's still any work being done on the series? Last I heard, said artist was working on a PacRim/KanColle crossover, but would continue the series. The anonymous translator quit translating them though, and there were a few more 4komas before the whole thing just disappeared like the PacRim threads.

>>14648639
i think the movie wasn't exciting enough. the characters are bland maybe except for ron perlman.

>>14648969
>It felt like the last film in a trilogy, the plot was too rushed
This.

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The best way to save this series is combine it with Godzilla.

They fight each other initially thinking the other is the enemy, but then bam, aliens show up, angrier then ever and wanting revenge, but the Jaegers and Godzilla kick their asses back through the portal. They follow, with God-fucking-zilla just tearing the portal open for the Jaegers before diving through itself, and they completely tear the Aliens a new one and setting them back a few thousand years.

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Breathtaking.

1: Marketing
2: Really poor characters
3: Really poor mecha designs that look like that one NFL cgi robot they use between plays
4: The acting was awful on purpose, intentionally really fast and snappy
5: Shitty cockpit mechanics
6: Mako's dream flashback
7: Seriously, the jaegers look stupid as hell
8: Even calling them jaegers was a bad idea.
9: Plot had zero focus
10: There was no substantial bad guy. They just shoved a bunch of monsters in at once and expected you to care.

>>14648639
Nothing it was the best western mecha to date.

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>>14648639
i loved the movie.

Personally I don't understand the criticisms about plot holes since they devoted the first 20min of the movie on exposition and world building. If you can't connect it with things later on in the film, it's not the fault of the writing.

The thing I had a problem with is that Cherno and Typhoon go out like scrubs almost immediately after being hyped up.

>>14649869
fuck off mario

>>14649908
Would've been cool if they created a couple of animated shorts leading into PacRim 2 featuring Cherno and Crimson Typhoon in their prime.

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Didn't make the giant robots feminine enough

>>14649213
>>14649235
At least Cherno got a deluxe figure. Crimson Typhoon was the only one to not get a deluxe figure from NECA, and Sideshow didn't do a statue of it either.

>>14648639

There was nothing wrong with it. I was pretty well entertained, though the Japanese girl wasn't pretty enough.

>>14648639
There was nothing wrong with the movie though?
>Perhaps we can calmly accept some newfag that wants to turn /m/ into /v/
We don't bitch about nice things like children here

>>14649209

Actually, it IS like Eva. If you squint really hard and take a look, there are some similarities.

For one, Raleigh is sort-of Shinji and the Marshall is sort-of Gendou. But the movie, from the very bottom-up, is from a Western perspective of things. It is what you would get if you gave a Western director an outline of what would happen and told him to make a movie based on that.

I'm not saying this is bad, by any sense of the word. It is, however, a very different perspective the way anime reflects a different cultural background from cartoons.

For instance, in Evangelion, no-one actually cares about defeating the Angels. They're just buying time to end the world in their own way. Here, everyone is genuinely on-board with saving the world. Sure there are rivalries and secrets, but the goal is still to win for the home team. They're all on the same side: In EVA, everyone was stabbing each other in the back or withdrawing into their own private hells.

In fact, the Jaegers are exactly what would you get if the Americans designed an Eva.

> "What? This thing runs off the souls of dead mothers and only works for traumatized children? Fuck then, you're fired."
> "We're going to rebuild it, and make sure the system works for a grown man this time. I'm not having a fucking 14-year-old pilot this, I'm getting Chris Kyle."

In fact, the Australian's son has a very Asuka-esque personality. Except the Marshall figures him out and he eventually uses it to positive effect, instead of everyone slowly crumbling from the private horrors they can't communicate to each other.

It's a very Western movie from the start to the end, and you get that 'Evangelion, but American' feeling all the time. What would the West do when the sky-vagina ripped open and all the freaky End of Eva shit happened? They wouldn't curl into a ball and let ennui devour them, they would load down a robot with every fucking N2 Mine they could find and re-enact the ending of Independence Day.

>>14650507
>For one, Raleigh is sort-of Shinji
Not in the slightest.
Raleigh is a retired pilot with trauma. Shinji is a random kid that is the chosen one.
>Marshall is sort-of Gendou.
Again, no.
In fact, I could make a better argument that Raleigh and Marshall mirror Getter Robo Go Ryouma and Hayato. But honestly, the retired pro coming back to fight again with the hardass coach isn't exactly revolutionary.

Your entire post is equally dumb because Pacific Rim is nothing like Evagenlion even superficially.

>>14649173
I saw your meme earlier in the thread, you didn't need to drag me into this.

>>14650507
(warning, incoming autism)

I don't even see it with the squinting. They both crib from the same sources, sure, but neither one implements those in a similar way. Pacific rim looks more like fucking Godannar then it does Eva. Eva is a series about adolescence, secrets and lies, generation conflict, relies on depressing themes, has religious and philosophical references, etc. Pacific Rim has none of this. They aren't even similar on a superficial level. None of the robots look like organic mecha, none of the monsters look geometric shapes. None of the characters are alike. The basic plots aren't even the same.

One of the things Anno said was important to the mecha genre (a father or grandfather being responsible for constructing the mecha the protagonist uses) is absolutely absent in Pacific Rim. The robots are built by nations, and never are we given much insight to the builders. (Even in the comic the first one was made by some random guy, and the robot was piloted by his ex lover intern.)

Two the dual pilot thing is an essential part of PR and the lore. You aren't in there alone. In eva, several times in eva the isolation of the pilot/pilots is a essential theme. (all though I will concede both shows seem to have a "ghost in the machine")

Second is the family relationships. Stacker is not Raleigh's father. He's not even Raleigh's father figure. He's his boss. They have a purely working relationship. Granted Stacker is Mako's daughter, but given that the two genuinely care for each other, no strings attached, I don't think it's fair to compare it to Gendo's relationship with Rei, when that revolved around the fact that it was clearly a loaded, strings attached relationship. Mako wasn't an object (a beloved object mind you) that could be replaced at any time. She was Stacker's daughter who he didn't want to let go

>Make a movie about alien invaders trying to take over someone else's home and drastically change it
>Wait a few years
>Say Europe needs open borders and to let in all the rapeugees

Del Toro is dead to me. The film was a fun summer movie but this lack of awareness and hatred for Europe makes me see him as an enemy of my people now.

>>14649415
Didn't know about Die Antwood until Chappie (wish I still didn't) but they make great comedy characters. If you watch Chappie as a comedy it's a great film.

>>14650795
>>Say Europe needs open borders and to let in all the rapeugees
You guys were the ones that promoted that shit in the first place. Fug off yuropoor

>>14650791
Then there is the machines themselves. In Eva it's an essential part of the plot that the Evas are just nigger rigged Angels. They are Prometheus stolen fire. Power taken from the enemy used against the enemy, and not fully understood. In PR it is the exact opposite theme. "Monsters? Fuck that shit, we will build monsters!" There is no kaiju tech in the Jaegers at all. It's not reverse engineered. It's purely human science creating ways to fight monsters, on their own, with their own ingenuity.

Another thing is how Eva and PR handle adult hood and generational gaps. It's worth noting that Eva is about adolescence, and PR has no adolescences themes at all. Zip. Zero. Zilch. (Granted PR has very few themes in general, it's a very shallow affair, and I've admitted as such). PR is about adults, and adult relationships. Like Stacker refusing to admit that Mako had grown up, the fucked up relationship between Herc and Chuck, etc. The generational conflict is also worth noting. In Eva we see three generations. The shadowy leaders, the people who run the base and teach the pilots, and the teenagers the first two generations force to do battle for them. In PR the previous generations were part of the fight, handing off to the next generation when they inevitably died, or couldn't hack it anymore.

Okay rant over. Call me autistic now.

>>14650795
You'll also notice the film said
>Walls are useless, don't work, and you shouldn't build them

And Del Toro certainly sticks with that. (But seriously, yeah, separate creator and politics, and all that Jazz_

>>14650816
It's impossible to separate creator and politics from the work they make. Consider the "everyone's a sexist/racist" marketing scheme they keep trying since Star wars. Real world politics is built into the movie, where it's likely that they cast things the way they do just to cause a social media shit storm.

>>14650823
>marketing
>creator

'K /pol/.

>>14648639
The flaws I saw:
1) It was only 2 hours long.
2) Not enough combat scenes.
3) Not enough combat scenes with flair. (A last battle in the dark underwater was a bit anticlimactic.)
4) Character development and chemistry was on fast forward the entire movie.

>>14650507
>Raleigh is sort-of Shinji and the Marshall is sort-of Gendou.

Stopped reading there.

Out of all the things that NGE vetters claim that PR is ripping off, this probably the most retarded I have heard yet. Out of all the things that PR actually does have in common with NGE, Raleigh/Stacker=Shinji/Gendou is grasping at straws.

>>14650847
in the case of star wars, marketing is the creation

>>14650823
>everyone's a sexist/racist marketing

pretty sure that was more just /tv/ shitting its bed because they saw someone who was black on the computer screen and it triggered them.

>>14650850
>last battle
It really was more of a desperate race and I like that. It was faster-paced than the rest and the music matched.

Any anon have a webm of Slattern engaging Striker? I thought it was just a long, fairly static headbutt at first, but there was actually quite an exchange before Striker stabs the underarms.

>>14649070
>Still going on with the "PR is an EVA clone" meme
Ebin.

>>14650466
No 3D woman can be pretty enough. They did the best they could with the dimension they chose but there's just no equalling 2D women.

>>14648669
This it's exactly what I wanted.

thing is most Western film goers don't really want it.

>>14650812
You're autistic, but that doesn't mean you're wrong.

>>14650847
>JJ Abrams making public statements using this marketing technique is totally nothing to do with the creator

You could argue Lucas is the creator but that's being dishonest with the new trilogy.

>>14650882
Yes, that's just people shitting the bed on image boards. It's not like Ghostbusters just did this for months, it's not like Star wars TFA did this shit and it's definitely not like the upcoming Spiderman is already trying to do it.

Absolutely not, just bullshit of course.

>Let's have a civilized conversation
>what went wrong

yeah, stating with a loaded statement is the best way to do this. And looks like the thread is already par for course.

At least Pacific Rim appeared in a mazinger zero.

>>14652737
Which was pretty awesome.

>>14652759
And now will appear again in SRW V if Mazinger ZERO's ultimate attack is mecha Valhalla.

>>14649010
>love letter

>>14652737
link?

>>14649010
evangelion is a deconstruction of the genre, the complete opposite of what pacific rim is.

>>14652827
Can't find the panel, basically at the end of the mazinger zero manga, mazinger and great mazinger cannot defeat the evil ZERO cuz he is immune to anything mazinger related, so kouji uses photon beams to summon golden ghosts of different mechas like gundam, getter, ideon, gurren lagann and more.
One of those mecha ghost happened to be Gipsy Danger.

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The Eva meme was a dumb comparison. PR has its own style. The problem was the big audience: mecha is cool for me, otakus and some nerd guys who likes robots, but for the rest of the world, its just a childish theme... Even Japan ignored him (because it was a western movie).

>>14652956
Eva, Gundam Wing and Gurren Lagann are the only way people know to relate to mecha animes. They don't know any better.

>>14652976
>Eva, Gundam Wing and Gurren Lagann are the only things Del Toro watched. He doesn't know any better.
ftfy

>>14651300
>Still going on with the "PR is an original movie and not an EVA clone" meme
Hi Del Toro

>all this mad
I thought /m/ liked pacific rim.

>>14653064
It's just spicposter as usual.

>Well, I am a huge anime and manga fan, as is my daughter. In fact, I have an entire cabin in my office in the garden dedicated just to manga and anime, where I keep my books and my movies. I have never seen Evangelion, I love the designs and am very familiar with the designs of the EVA robots and Angels, but I have never actually sat down to see the series. Some people pointed out - I don't know if Travis who wrote Pacific Rim saw Evangelion - they saw the gel that connects the people to the robots, I came up with that myself, without seeing Evangelion. I however fully acknowledge the influence of Patlabor, Ghost in the Shell, Tetsujin 28-go, Space Giants, Mazinger Z, and many many other anime that I have watched and enjoy. I love very much the work of Osamu Tezuka, whose work influenced me growing up as a child, and I love quite a bit of the work of Mamoru Oshii, Katsuhiro Otomo, Satoshi Kon (big big time, whom I think was the finest narrator in anime other than Miyazaki and Takahata).

>>14653081
>Some people pointed out - I don't know if Travis who wrote Pacific Rim saw Evangelion - they saw the gel that connects the people to the robots

Evafags are truly the biggest cancer in anime. Stop trying to credit eva with everything, you fucking morons.

>>14648639
Warner Bros. is total shit at marketing films in general. That happens when you go more then ten years with a tentpole every year that doesn't really need marketing; your marketing team no longer knows what they're doing. Man Of Steel was the first film in ages that WB actually put effort into promoting. Pacific Rim could have made 200 million domestic if it had been marketed right.

>>14652816
it is
>>14652861
kill yourself

>>14650791
It is copying Eva

The Rei expy and everything

Your argument is basically saying Raxephon is not copying Eva because there's no blue haired autistic girl pilot

>>14652861
Eva is literally a series of homages to older mecha tropes. In what way is it a deconstruction?

>>14654759
>In what way is it a deconstruction?

There isn't any.

Most Evafags that use it when referencing NGE has no idea what it means and just use it as a buzzword to validate their own agenda. The actual definition of deconstruction is to take classical elements (of a genre) and present them in a different way that deviates from the conventional manner. No themes or elements from NGE is presented in a unique or original way when it came out which means it's not a "deconstruction" of any sort.

>>14653071
This isn't the getter thread Pablo

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>>14649213
His horn is the best.
Nearly came the first time I heard it
The way they were drowning for a couple seconds before that faggot finished them off wasn't right

>>14648980
If you honestly think Eva is anything like PacRim, you've seen even less mecha than the typical /a/ user

TONS of mecha anime have kaiju, mind-control and 70 m scale.

>>14653181
>>14654986
Add to this that mind-link gel/liquid is as old as it comes

Evafags are so deluded. In the early 80s, Rogue Trader was talking about pilots bathed in amniotic fluid in a control cask inside the dreads

The triple character cast of "Reluctant Main Character / Silent Mysterious Loner / Loud Angry Hotshot" is ALSO as old as time. Eva did not come up with this.

Not very memorable?

I remember Robot Jox more than I remember PR.