So, why does IBO seem to get shit on so hard? Is it just a meme,

>>14636264
You're right at about the part where it starts going downhill.

>>14636281
Oh wonderful. It was going pretty well too, considering every other recent gundam series.

>>14636264
Imagine Gundam Wing minus Duo Maxwell.

>>14636264
As someone who enjoys Gundam and didn't watch IBO with /m/, I hate it. I'm "watching" it with Toonami General and goddamn it's shit.

Kudelia is the worst Gundam princess I've yet experienced. She acts all high and mighty about Mars but the second the going gets tuff she tries to quit on everyone. She's also useless.

The episodes after the first two are really boring. I didn't even realize, when I was reminiscing about the show, that I was several episodes into the series when the old lieutenant died fighting Mikazuki. That's how little happens in every episode.

And the story just does not interest me. So much exposition is just dumped on you like it's being read off a wikipedia article, and they expect you to care? It all seems so pointless and forced.

Its only shit on here at /m/, everywhere else its teh fucking best gundsm evar or just a mediocre anime. People are just in disbelief it made so mich money to warrant an unplanned sequel.

>>14636304
What does/tv/ think of it?

>>14636264

Me and my bro actually just finished watching this a few days ago.

As a Gundam series, it felt like it should have been a hell of a lot more tragic, especially since they lucked into most of battles before being sworn in with harem guy.

If they actually spent a little more time on Mars and fleshed the core cast out, instead of running straight to space, the series would have been a lot more impact, especially towards the end of the first season.

Everything about how the last 7 or so episode played out screamed that this should have been a stand-alone series. It really does not need a sequel.

>>14636304
Im going to have to disagree with you on the worst, she is in fact the best because her goal which though spoonfed multiple times to the viewer is an actual sound goal and not sone fairy tale talk of peace. She doesnt want peace. She doesnt care about that. She's seeking de regulation of an industry that has systemicaly weakened mars' economy, leaving huge income inequality. This is far deeper than any other gundam princess trying to achieve some form of "peace".

>>14636264
Everytime it seems like something exciting is going to happen peace princess extinguishes the story with her feels
as cool as the anti lazer theme was i feel the fights were boring as fuck, if you are going to make it about sword fights make the sword fights better .

I am genuinely looking forward to Char Mikazuki or what ever comes next but i hope they try a little harder.

>>14636332
She just wanted to become hope, but at some point she got confused and accidentally did something useful

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>>14636264
Expectations vs reality.

Non-Murricanfag here,

how's the rating for Toonami IBO? Does it attract lots of young viewers?

>>14636304
I still think Relena is the worst.

If I ever watch wing again I would have to tally how many times she tries to get herself killed.

>>14636264
Personally I feel like IBO gets a lot of shit because it assumed its viewers were complete morons. Nothing can simply be inferred, it must all be explicitly spelled out to you at least twice. The episodes where two major characters died in particular were almost insulting because they were literally just death flag after death flag.

G-Reco and its attitude of "figure out the story yourselves suckers!!!" coming directly before really didn't help.

I enjoyed it for it's characters, but it's pacing is very off. It starts off with this personal story about Tekkadan trying to form itself as a group and make it, but then since it's a Gundam series, it has to shoehorn this whole idea of intergalactic politics and peace. It should have stayed small - hell, even Kudelia's goals aren't taking down an empire or starting a war - she just wants to do some economic negotiations. It just suffers from trying to be too grand when the characters clearly don't support that.

Also, fighting is definitely weak for a Gundam series, mostly because they upgrade/change suits every other episode and then don't show you half the shit they can do (I will be forever mad about Rebake).

I don't know; you can hate it for not being as good as better Gundam series, but I was definitely entertained and cared about what happened to people, so I'm buying it.

>>14636332
>actual sound goal and not sone fairy tale talk of peace.
You mean like Dianna's wasn't and in fact was about negotiating what land they could have for immigration?

Plus they don't get that deep into Kudelia's goal and she clearly doesn't even understand what she is doing as everyone else is always the one explaining stuff to her

>>14636264
Before it was aired, most /m/anly /m/en thought it was aboot mercenary child soldier do mercenary child soldier stuff like;
taking on dangerous military contracts
Dying in the most tragic way possible
MGS in SPESS
Create a haven for themselves
etc etc etc

But we have a cold plate of shit with Mars Independence as a side order with gjallalalahorn shenanigans as the dressings and Kudelia Sugoi! as the refreshment and to finish it was the QUALITY desserts

You can spend your time better watching paint dry tbf

>>14636407
Honestly I'd be suprised if any of the people watching Toonami were that young, or at least many. Seems it's mostly people nostalgia fagging.

>>14636717
This.
All we got was gay niggers from outer space.

>>14636407

Last I saw it was doing alright for its timeslot, One Punch Man was killing it though.

>>14636264
Main suit design

Thats what killed it for alot of people

>>14636264
Because its basic premise reminds me of the fucking Phantom Menace.

Think of IBO like Stephen Seagal. Despite all the tough talk the show is slow, story is bull of bullshit, the fights tend to be one-sided, action falls apart when examined, and it's nowhere near as hard as it claims to be.

>>14636407
The drop from OPM before is always huge and seems to keep growing, but it is doing okay

You can flick through the general on archive if you want, at this point most are just watching it cause it is on and they started already

>>14636264
The main character isn't even the main character. And the scavenging parts gimmick that they hyped so hard in the press materials was barely present.

>>14636332
I feel like Kudelia's goal being more realistic and down to Earth doesn't make her character particularly well written. We've had realistic goals in Gundam before with Dianna simply wanting to continue negotiating settlement plans with Earthnoids. Negotiations that could have gone over well if not for Agrippa Maintainer, Phil & Poe for the first half of the show. Peace isn't some fairy tale and everyone including Loran understands the costs and ramifications of war, so it's not a complete hippie trip either.

She spends a lot of screentime in earlier episodes flip flopping between being full of resolve and breaking down at the drop of a fucking hat. Oh no, she's not a licensed doctor, better wallow in self pity until the next battle where she has to remind herself to be strong for the Orphans, the ironblooded Orphans who are fighting for her and the people of Mars. At the most I could say she may have a crippling anxiety disorder but it's not implied or a central part of her character, it would literally be headcanon to excuse her behavior.

The spoonfeeding of multiple times is something I disliked aswell, the sheer amount of exposition along with the way it's executed is almost insulting. Characters forget why Kudelia is important so we can be reminded. Choco-Char spends most of his time infodumping alone or in the presence of people who should already know their history. They had a much better opportunity using Kudelia teaching children but they didn't go that route. IMO it would actually make sense for younger members of Tekkadan-- born into poverty and forced to work for CGS to have little to no knowledge of previous wars & the economic state of their world.

If you want fairytale bullshit then look at how Fumitan compared her to a literal in-universe tale. This is in the same scene where she clearly defines what makes Kudelia such a weak character. She's a punk who suddenly turns into a hardass due to cheap melodrama fueling the shows progression.

>>14636264

My main problem is that after a certain point, it becomes a Gundam series. You know, with all the retarded 'Gundam-isms' that can drag a series down.

The main characters are never significantly challenged. To me, the best part of the show was when Ein shows up and goes on a rampage, but he doesn't get to kill anyone! All that buildup for nothing!

Seriously, I don't any of the important cast died, and yes I don't think the funny fat man was important, fuck him.

>>14636957

I was tricked as to what the show would be like. I was expecting Front Mission: Dog Life, Dog Style, with child guerillas fighting a hopeless battle against adult opponents. Sort of like those kids trained by African warlords or ISIS - with the entire story taking more-or-less on a single planet. Absurdly high casualties, more atrocities than you can shake a stick at, and 'victory' meaning that the heroes just limp off to fight another day flush with blood money.

And along the way, they get to see things like villages being put to the torch, suicide bombers, death camps and so on. But no, instead it becomes your standard Gundam story about a ludriciously small force taking on the might of the world's military and somehow winning.

>>14636281
Oh, shit, it gets WORSE!?

It had a couple episodes with no fights and barely any plot progression. Followed by a brief arc with bad drama and a fight that really failed to deliver. Followed by what was supposed to be a major arc but had inconsistent writing and more limply executed drama, with a bland fight tacked on at the end.

Things level off back to decent again once they finally reach earth in the last quarter with brief bits of poor writing here and there.

Basically over half the show was just a let down and needs a heavy rewrite to fix some of the plot holes and foreshadowing issues. Some better directed fights would also have been nice.

>>14636407
Not the most popular toonami anime, but it's doing alright for its timeslot. Among the gundam viewing demographic the age group toonami attracts is the age group the series is most popular with.

>Does it attract lots of young viewers?

Define younger. If you mean kids, then no, it airs after midnight on Saturdays. If you mean teens, then it is doing okay.

>>14636264
>it seems decent so far, if a bit lacking on the action front.
Now imagine that for the rest of the series

>>14637126
>I was expecting Front Mission: Dog Life, Dog Style, with child guerillas fighting a hopeless battle against adult opponents. Sort of like those kids trained by African warlords or ISIS - with the entire story taking more-or-less on a single planet. Absurdly high casualties, more atrocities than you can shake a stick at, and 'victory' meaning that the heroes just limp off to fight another day flush with blood money.
Why the hell do you people ever think Gundam will ever deliver on this
That's not what Gundam is or does

>>14637118
I thought IBO had the best shameless throwback to past gendum in the form of BLAME THIS ON THE MISFORTUNE OF YOUR BIRTH 2.0.

The show doesn't even try to hide where it's going with making McGillis the resident Char clone and yet it also goes out of its way to make it work thematically. In a show where the overarching theme is the meaning of family, the antagonist is shown rejecting family and its nepotistic potential in favor of pure merit.

>>14637155
When you think about it Victroy has kinda done that

Become a child soldier for LM when he decide to replace Marbett as the lead pilot
Uso fighting gorila style with his mech and thanks to his creativity and a bit of luck, he survive
Got kidnapped and molested by an adult female
God damn high casualties
Atrocities were done left and right with terror bombing of a town and a development of a super weapon to kill everyone on Earth
And finally "Victory" when Uso and Shakti survive the ordeal when most of his friends, family and mentors all died in the war

>>14637174
So he's Kerenski and he's trying to make Gjallarhorn a Clan?

>>14637181
Yeah but he's asking for it to be done in green or tan grunt suits and make it look like 08th ep1&2.

Is this series popular with the Yaoi fanbase? I would assume it to be, considering they have to pilot half naked and there's a crapton of gay subtext.

>>14637202
It never was. It was all knee-jerk assumptions made by oversensitive anons. Everyone else just kept going "fuck you it's probably 110 degrees in those fucking things."

>>14637155

Look, we've had EVERY KIND OF AU except a really dark one. I thought the pendulum had to swing back eventually after the shitshow that was AGE.

This was a disappointment, but Thunderbolt was basically everything I wanted.

>>14636264
The show is boring. There is no dire consequences, no plot to move the series.

In the original we were shown that the White Base were hunted down by Zeon Fleet and eventually it is instrumental for the White Base to survive so the Feds can eventually won the war

In Zeta, the heroes have to stop Titans/Zeom from conquering Earth Sphere by any means necessary be it short alliances, Colony Lasers or summoning your harem back to life to kill the bad dudes

In ZZ the heroes continue to stop Zeon from conquering the world and we can finally see a smooth transitions from a wild kid like Judau to a mature discipline Judau, ready to put his life on the line to stop Zeon

In CCA Amuro have to stop Char from dropping Axis. The plot is simple and yet it has the most beautiful and brutal gundam fight in gundam history

F91 even after being compressed into a 1 hour movie did better than IBO when there is dire consequences if the hero does not stop CV when Iron Mask unleash bug to kill the colony population

what IBO have to offer?

An escort mission to earth so Mars can be autonomous and free from Evil Earth Economic Plans. What happen if the shirtless kids failed to send Jewdelia to Earth? For all we know the petrol price in Mars mite be up for another dollar or so.

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>>14637202
It tried, and it got a little attention, but unfortunately for Sunrise Osomatsu-san was airing at the same time and took all the Fujo money.

>>14637193

And Atra as an actual adult hooker selling her body to CGS as a side income when making her catering run. You know, more grimdark in IBO vs what we had. But then against Dog Life Dog Style had Nippon Damashi up the ass the more I read the series.

>OCU JAPANESE PILOTS ARE HEROIC PILOTS WHO SAVES HOOKERS! FIGHTING TO MAKE MONEY FOR KNOCKED UP GIRLFRIEND AND TRYING TO TELL TRUTH ABOUT WAR!
>OCU AUSSIE IS A BLOODTHIRSTY BACKSTABBING CUNT WHO KILLED HIS BEST FRIEND! FUCKED HIS WIFE AND SLAUGHTERED PEOPLE IN A PTSD INDUCED RAGE!
>UCN? WHAT UCN? THEY ARE JUST SLAUGHTERING AMERICAN PIGGU SCUM!

>>14637185

Kerensky YOU SCHOPA!

This thread has reminded me how much I want a 00 OVA detailing Setsuna's time under the KPSA, and his time spebt up to his recruitment by CB.

>>14637220

Thunderbolt's about as 'dark' as Vegas.

>>14637226

Cycle of misery and last chance for a revolution dies. Kudelia was the first person in 300 years to make a difference against Gjallarhorn, everyone else who tried got the Winston 1984 treatment

>>14637126
I like the cut of your jib. But you're insane. This was made for TV, it's not allowed to be thaaaaat hard.

I do agree in the sense that I was hoping this would be a more gritty AU series, but it turned out to be the same neutered as fuck TV-14 style bullshit that I've come to expect from Gundam AU shows. Throw it in the pile with 00, SEED, AGE. If you're into that great but I can't watch that shit at my ripe old age.

>>14637263

>literally someone who goes 'I watch mature anime for mature people such as myself'

Hoo boy.

>>14637263

You actually can show a lot of this stuff by implication. Like - for example - if you wanted to show women in rape camps, you don't have to turn it into a hentai. You just need to make the main character go into an ominous-looking hut, then he staggers out looking pale and visibly fighting down nausea.

Or when they find a suspicious mound that turns out to be a mass grave, you just have horrified sounds from everyone involved, while someone covers the tagalong child's eyes and goes "Don't look."

I mean, a line of dialogue like "But...But there's so many bodies - Can't we at least bury them?" can really sell it. Or have a guy stumbling forward into a burnt-out village desperately calling out the names of the people he knows, before a scream of horror lets you know he found them.

>>14636304
>Kudelia is the worst Gundam princess I've yet experienced.
Relena is worse

>She acts all high and mighty about Mars but the second the going gets tuff she tries to quit on everyone.
This never happened

>>14637284

Bonus points if it's the team perv. If he can't even get hard to that you know it's fucked up.

I was just amazed the Brewers didn't kept young girls on board as playthings when they treat the human debris battle as more worthless than the mobile workers they use.

>>14637284
Has there been a show that does that though? I honestly think the censors would nail you for implying stuff like that; maybe not as much for mass graves, definitely for rape though.

>>14637281
Uh huh. Please out of insecurity pretend like there isn't a difference between something like Gundam SEED and Gundam Thunderbolt in terms of how palatable they are to different demographics. I'm not trying to make fun of anybody. Just saying I really enjoyed Gundam Wing when I was 14, but now 14 years later, no I couldn't watch that anymore (along with most anime). I'm sure I would've loved IBO at that time too.

>>14637317

Liz from MuvLuv was raised to be a spy and sex slave for the elite, mass executed people who failed to get pass the wall.

>>14637314

>I was just amazed the Brewers didn't kept young girls on board as playthings when they treat the human debris battle as more worthless than the mobile workers they use.

It's mostly because Japan actually did this kind of shit in WWII. It would strike too close to home.

"Are we the baddies?" and all that.

>>14637317

You kidding me? Thunderbolt and SEED appeal to almost the exact same people in their 'edgy' factor.

>>14637378
You are confirmed absolutely retarded.

>>14637378

The two shows are polar opposites. Seed is ultimately idealistic, while Thunderbolt is very, very cynical. Even the scale and themes of the stories are different.

SEED is about how Kira ended the Bloody Valentine War. Thunderbolt is a story that takes place with the OYW.

>>14637410
yep. SEED was an attempt to sell Gundam to a new generation of young teens by making what was effectively an early 2000s "pop anime" AU gundam that would be similar in execution to Wing, viewable on daytime TV etc. And nothing wrong with that. Gundam won't survive without trying to make moves lie this.

Thunderbolt was an attempt to make an 80s OVA style Gundam to try to appeal to older generation Gundam fans. the target audiences are completely different. i'm sure many younger fans enjoyed TB as well, but many more of them would a.) lack any appreciation of context since they didn't watch UC gundam and b.) complain that there were not enough Gundams, not enough edgy beam melee weapons, not enough high school girlfriend drama, etc.

>>14637364

Didnt stop DL DS from showing how an OCU Nipponese saved a Russian Comfort Woman and even got rescue sex from her

I'm still not sure if I like IBO or dislike it after watching the first season.

I feel like it went off the rails in the last few episodes but I'm interested to see where the story will go.

I honestly loved it
The last 2 episodes weren't that good though especially the last, it seemed rushed. I had fun though and I'm looking forward to the next season

I wish more of the main cast died though I thought for sure Orga would

>>14637248
yeah yeah you're another contrarian that feels like he needs to troll people that like gritty UC master race. relative to the rest of the gundam universe the thunderbolt ONA is quite dark.

IBO is the first AU in years that doesn't try to be a rehash of 0079, that's why people here are confused and hate it by default.

As far as modern mecha anime goes, it's fine. Not great by any means, but surprisingly not awful.

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>>14638689
way to prove his point, dumbshit

>>14636264
It's the newest Gundam. It will invariably get shit on. Don't worry, this is a good thing. The shows the fanbase immediately loves turn out to be terrible in the long run.

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>>14636373
Generally, that's how life-long goals are done.
>Start with deeply-felt value
>Find something that seems to fulfill this value
>Get into the nitty gritty of making it happen
>Generally never achieve value but the concrete goals get done
Nelson Mandela wanted freedom and happiness for his people and did it by helping end apartheid and becoming president. Maximilien Robespierre did it by chopping off the heads of the elites. Results may vary.

>>14638773
>his

Here's another (you) for ya!

>>14638849
>The shows the fanbase immediately loves turn out to be terrible in the long run.
Yeah like G and Turn A

On top of everything else Kudelia never presented any amount of competence. She was blindingly childish and naive and the show expected you to see this as her strength. All she ever did was make childish speeches that nine year olds wouldn't be convinced by and everybody hypes her up to the ends of the earth despite that. And then the one time she gives an awful speech suddenly everybody goes "wow I never noticed I guess we should suddenly do something about this" and everything magically resolves itself in less than a week.

Despite being a drain on every scene she's in when she repeats her motivation over and over she never even grows as a character. From start to finish she never acts any differently, the show half-heartedly pretends that she does instead.

>>14636294
That's like 2/3 of Wing already.

>>14637547
>80s OVA style
I guess you haven't seen any 80s OVAs?

>>14637226
>what IBO have to offer?
B-but Anon, there's personal and character drama! It's so much more in depth with the characters than those other silly peace loving GunDUMB protagonists!!


>>14637250

>Kudelia was the first person in 300 years to make a difference against Gjallarhorn, everyone else who tried got the Winston 1984 treatment
We were never told this, nor was this implied at any point.

>>14637181
Barely anyone here has ever actually seen Victory or paid much attention to it. The most you'll get of it is "le bikini meme" or people pretending that the Shrike team members dying took up more time than 6 or 7 episodes in grand total

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>>14637284
>You actually can show a lot of this stuff by implication
This really. 00 got pretty dark when it needed to be, and was effective without even resorting to SEED-levels of blood and gore.

>>14638931

You understand that Kudelia in IBO was in their setting what seemed to be the best genuine last hope for Tekkadan and most of these kids have someone to believe in fighting for beyond what they do everyday.

In the eyes of the youth, their life is a hopeless cycle of abuse, you are born as an orphan and you and your friends is tossed head first into a dog eat dog world. You get beaten by abusive adults who treats you as parts rather than as human beings, you are fed basically nothing while the adults eat like kings compared to you. And that is life for the regular children, the human debris are treated even worse than that and they have given up entirely on any hope for a better future. Mahiro and Savarin are the end product of the abuse dealt to them. You got the odd person making out like Naze and Atra, but they are very much in the minority and people like Naze can no longer afford to risk everything he has over a cause.

Even rebellion is a hopeless notion, the forces in Gjallarhorn not only crushes you in battle effortlessly but also plans your demise from the day you decide to get uppity and this shell game has lasted for a very long time.

Mika was gonna be another statistic, he was gonna kill people for scraps, end up hired by some opportunistic merc and used like scrap parts. To him, there isn't any hope in a better future. But Orga made a big bold promise that they will have a place where they don't go to bed hungry, they feel like they belong and they can dream.

Then they met Kudelia and Gjallarhorn was doing their usual round of "remove the rebellious element" and the children of CGS was forced to fend for themselves. If it wasn't for the iron will that is Orga, no one would had thought of using Barbatos to turn the odds against their enemy and it's another miserable pile of death. When faced with the fact they barely have any money left and Todo's suggestion was sell Kudelia for a quick buck and wash their hands of the affair.

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>>14639189
>IBO
>there's personal and character drama!

Thanks for a good kek anon, here is a cute Kuntala

>>14638853
>first line of dialogue
Kek. Was Okada self-inserting as Kudelia?

>>14639204
Being Harobe is suffering.

>>14639204
I mean, how many Gundams can you say had thrilling plot points such as an estranged, previously unmentioned but as soon as they are mentioned they'll conveniently show up and get involved with the main characters and then die siblings!

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>>14639202

But Orga refused, he braves hell and high water, betrayed by the man offering safe passage and his would be blood brother. And in turn they had the first glimmer of hope in their lives. For Tekkadan they enjoyed the luxuries denied to so long and for Orga it was becoming part of a bigger family as Kudelia is told that her decision will result in bloodshed and was almost prepared for it, but she doesn't know who's blood will be shed. She gave necklace as a promise to Fumitan that they will see to the better future of the people they want to help. But Fumitan never believed in that.

Then comes Dort, the moment where Kudelia becomes a shining beacon to the workers looking for better working conditions, when I mentioned 1984 style false hope rebellion. Think about how Winston was led to believe there is a resistance against big brother only to be captured, broken physically and mentally before accepting that there was no hope before his execution. The workers in Dort was about to dealt a similar fate, forced into a violent insurrection only to learn none of their weapons worked as they were put down. But Kudelia's knights come and save them and become the very beacon of hope, a self fulfilling prophecy that Kudelia had become despite their initial goal being just for the welfare of Martians. Given Their heroics, Kudelia's words had considerably more weight and was able to win major points with the workers than if she just made a speech at the rally.

>>14639189

Dort Arc, and said image here, Gjallarhorn is very much used to putting down uprisings. The whole setup and Gjallarhorn capitalizing on it shows just how connected people like Gordon is and how they plan such things from the start to stay in business.

>>14639202
>best genuine last hope

Of what?
We never actually seen the oppressiveness of Gjallarhorn or Earth on mars. We were presented with Kudelia who is Revolution Ready Princess of Hope that can change Mars to a better place but we as an audience never see how bad Mars was, and how suck the living condition there.

The first episode of 0079 we have Amuro's home being bombed and assault by Char's crew because Gundam was stored there and thus triggered the pathway for Amuro to become a pilot for EF

Zeta we have Kamille home being attack by Char's crew because MkII was being tested there and we actually seen the oppressiveness and wrong doings of the Titans early in the episodes and prompt Kamille to join AUEG and eventually involved in the gryps conflict
I could go on and on, its just that IBO failed to deliver the urgency so the audience can keep watching, it just a boring shit fest with Orga "Muh Superior Planning Strategist Sommelier", Mika "Ow The Edge" and Kudelia "Sugoi" all the way

>>14639249
>his execution
But Winston wasn't executed. did you even read the book? He's broken, and then made to be a worker drone who believes in Big Brother yet again.

>>14639266
Winston assumed there was an execution until one day he was just randomly let free back into the world. I think that's what the dude's referring to. He was let go with no longer a fear of being executed but it was too late for him.

>>14639249
>Given Their heroics, Kudelia's words had considerably more weight and was able to win major points with the workers than if she just made a speech at the rally.

Yet this ends up being another example of shitty writing on IBO's part. The Dort workers were threatening violence so that their demands would be met, the textbook definition of terrorism. It would be extremely easy to discredit Kudelia's words on that alone, not to mention how the ship she was on provided the workers the weapons or the Dort workers firing upon officers in the port when they "discovered" them. Gjallarhorn could fuck her six ways to Sunday with this, use the fact she employs child soldiers to tarnish her image, and turn the public against her with ease.

Instead, Kudelia Sugoi happens.

>>14639328

Hey, let's not forget how the assassins sent to get her DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT KUDELIA LOOKED LIKE.

I mean, they didn't show them a picture? Couldn't someone have gone: "Hey, you know who you're supposed to kidnap and kill? The blonde with rockin' tits."

Like, they thought the loli was Kudelia. Why? Were they retarded? Do they not have the news or anything on the colony?

>>14639262

What do you think happens to people on mars who asks for better condition? Didn't the speech's slides show just how poor the living conditions are on Mars. Most people don't bother because fuck you got mine.

>>14639328

Then we have complete and utter milquetoast wageslaves like Savarin who can beg as much as they want but their better conditions will never come and replaced by more willing workers who will work harder for less.

Gordon and Gjallarhorn were basically in league with one another, lure Kudelia to be assassinated and use her martyrdom to create a series of failed flashfire revolts that Gjallarhorn puts down. Gjallarhorn "knew" about the deal, that was why they were going soft on them, force a violent reaction.

>>14639378

They do, but Dort News censors their broadcasts. Even among the Gjallarhorn military it is mostly need to know to keep the soldiers from questioning their lack of ethics.

>>14639378
It's also worth mentioning that the Dort arc got the show into hot water in Japan over how it wanted the audience to sympathize with the people making terrorist demands. "More harmful to show children than porn," as one group put it.

>>14637220
The joke is that Thunderbolt is by the same person who did Front Mission DLDS

>>14637880

How is it 'gritty'? How is this 'gritty'?

It just seems like a grand conga line of useless suffering because the Japanese haven't been at war for 71 years, and the author opts to go for hilarious exaggeration instead of something grounded.

The rest of UC isn't much better either, with wonderful things like almost all of Zeta's cast dying in the stupidest ways imaginable in the last two episodes because Tomino and his co-writers realized they had too many characters.

>>14639908
To be fair, Katz crashing his retarded ass into an asteroid isn't exactly surprising or out of character.

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>>14637118
when they fell down to earth is when It got me.

it was like page for page from 79 gundam.

>>14639910

Well, that may get a pass, but then you have Henken trying to take on a mobile suit piloted by an ace with a lone battleship and Emma getting out of her machine to see if Reccoa, whose mobile suit exploded just in front of her, is actually dead.

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>>14639919
Then kamile almost spaced himself.

>>14639917
That's the best gundamism.
If there's no orbital re-entry episode then the show is fucking garbage.

>>14638931
Kudelia just doesn't make much sense as

She has zero social skills, not just with poor people she doesn't seem to get anyone yet her life before the show seems to have been relatively normal. But despite this she was able to organise a giant rally, on a topic she apparently knows nothing about and despite her general I'm useless attitude. Then somehow she is selected to be a delegate, but I guess no one else from the movement asked to come along or pointed out they shouldn't send the idiot. I guess evil old man did it all, cause he was some how able to get her maid to turn traitor cause she might have hated her cause she tried to help but didn't really understand stuff yet cause she was fucking 6 years old. Then when Fumi takes a bullet for her the reason is, that now for no apparent reason she thinks she is the only one who can do this.

But obviously the end when she is on earth Kudelia will shine, everyone said so while I watched this pile of crap. Nope everyone speaks for her and are very agreeable on the mater. You could have just skyped them

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>>14639328
This
They murdered cops with illegal fire arms
Fire arms Kudelia's soldiers supplied working under the space mafia
She was already wanted by Ghorn, they already set up she was a dangerous element and not trustworthy
No proof is presented the bomb was an inside job, Ghorn should have already had something place to fake it was by the dort workers
The dort workers break into and steal MS
Her men then murdered Ghorn soldiers, which alone could be seen as an act of war as she is a Mar's representative

Any of these would be enough to discredit her. And what does Kudelia have to back herself up?
>No really guys it was totally not us, trust me I'm Kudelia who is at best an unelected official from another planet you at best heard rumours about
Apparently in IBO, that is enough for everything to turn around

>>14639406
>Even among the Gjallarhorn military it is mostly need to know
Hey you know who needs to know? People trying to arrest her

>>14637226
Thats what I enjoyed about IBO. its not set durring a war, or directly sequences into one.

its a prologue to a conflict that is in its infancy, which will likely be shown during its second season which should be interesting

>>14639262
There is a major difference between peace time and war time oppresion

>>14640007
This is how most people enjoyed IBO, for the concepts not the actual show itself because teh execution of everything was dull at best

I wanna see the Calamity War. I want a single, 30-minute episode of mobile suits and their melee weapons CLANGCLANGCLANGCLANGSCRAPECLANGing against eachother.

>>14639378
I still don't get that assassination bit

They are sent to shoot Kudelia, but they just sit at the march when they have no idea where she actually is or will be. Seeing as she was just wondering around she could have ended up at McDonalds and they'd never have seen her. But they luck out and she is there, they have a clear shot for quite a while but don't take it. Then when everything goes to shit they take it, but for some reason when they knew there would be a crowd they didn't think they might need to pierce more than one body. Even just a random guy running in front could have fucked up their plan.

But now they have a clear shot, everyone is more concerned with fighting each other and a fighting has started outside so it isn't like you would be getting off the colony any time soon. Really they should have a safe house planned and a route to get to it knowing a riot would start. But suddenly there is no time, and they don't need to shoot her anyway. If they didn't need her to die for a riot to happen why even set up this very convoluted plan involving getting her hand maid on her side and to be put as rep for Mars? That must have been a lot of hard work but it wasn't needed. If all they actually needed was someone to inspire, then put someone actually competent in charge cause then they get the bonus of them doing their job.

>>14640021
No I enjoyed the show itself. It wasn't the greatest showing gundam has to offer, but it also wasn't seed, age's final act, or the bullshit that was half of try.

It tryed to do something different and tripped up along the way. as a whole it was meh but it was an enjoyable meh there were a number of interesting scenes, characters, or designs to keep me interested in what was going on. It also got its act together twords the end where most gundams fall apart which is nice.

Like you said from a conceptual stand point IBO is strong and creates a strong open AU for writers and other people to work with. one that has actual potential unlike most other AU's since their own shows tend to solve any and all conflicts or have little room for side story's.

I'm very much looking forward to its second season to see how the plot advances as it moves into more familiar territory as far as gundam is concerned. and a change in episode directors and writers should be beneficial to it as a whole. It should also have some more animators than its first season since there is much less gundam shit coming out right now as compared to when it came out

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>>14640036
>enjoyable meh
that just means you have low standards and are easily impressed

Which really was the audience they were going for, the seasonal anime watcher

>>14640039
As far as quality goes most of gundam falls slightly above or below meh range. It has never been some shining beacon of quality.

>>14640039

Well, that'd be pointed if standards were attached to anime to begin with.

>>14640036
>IBO is strong and creates a strong open AU for writers and other people to work with

That's lazy anon, asking other people to flesh out an idea is just pure form of laziness

>unlike most other AU's since their own shows tend to solve any and all conflicts or have little room for side story's.

That is what we called a conclusion arc in a story line, every simple arc need a an introduction, a climax and eventually the conclusion. if you leave it open ended like that, again it's lazy and just testing your luck that the show is popular enough to warrant a 2nd season. Just like what happen to Trinity Blood, the ending of the show leave the audience that Abel and that shota vampire are out hunting Cain but it has been more than 10 years nothing new came out granted the original author is dead but you shouldn't end your story like IBO.

I really try my best to like IBO but I found it wanting and boring in general, like others anon have said in this thread the show itself has no real urgency, no consequences no nothing. if the show is a bait to set up for a 2nd season it has done horribly wrong. 00S1 was one of the best AU we got in the recent years and they done it beautifully with engaging characters, the real threat of an antagonist and a good chemistry of the pilots. In IBO we the audience have to accept that Mika is this super 6-pax badass that shoot people without remorse and is godlike awesome when piloting a gundam. that just turn Mika into a cardboard where you can paste your face there and self insert as this cool kid killing people left and right.

The only good thing came out from the show was the Psycho Graze, I have to say when that dude agree to be cut and slice just so to have a chance to avenge his mentor is fuck awesome to bad he jobbed so fucking hard to a basically mary sue character.

>>14640047
Mika is such a shitty character

Like I think his while edgy possibly crazy badass is overplayed but a good writer can still do stuff with it. The thing it fuck all is ever done with Mika, he feels like a side character more so than someone like Guts or Eugene. He literally just is not there for most of the story, and when he is has very little to add to it cause he doesn't care about the main conflict, isn't actually interested in perusing romance and will always just do as he is told. That could be interesting if the show looked into it more but they just don't despite having a lot of nothing slow episodes. Even his friendship with Orga one of the defining traits is horribly unexplored, people tried to hype up this shit but they only have 2 important scenes together and neither really gets deep into any of it. That whole edgy what should we do scene didn't even lead to a change in how they acted.

If you replaced Mika with another random character from the crew very little would actually change

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>>14640033

All they needed to do was to get someone to just walk up to her and fucking shoot her.

>>14638887
wew lad, a (you) for (you) too

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>>14640070
Currently, the average is at 9285. Somehow I don't see it falling under Reconguista's average of 9012, but I'd place my money on it being around 9100.

These are still good numbers for any anime.

>>14640047
if you leave it open ended like that, again it's lazy and just testing your luck that the show is popular enough to warrant a 2nd season.

Second season was greenlighted during brewers arc, its why the show became rificulously unconnected as they tried to pad it out and decide if they wanted a second season or a sequel setup

>>14639154
You just described entirety of IBO.

>>14636264

I'm going to be completely honest with you: I can't remember a thing about it other than
Atra losing one of her shoes
Guts brother having one of the worst forced dramas in recent Gundam
Mika has no mind of his own and only follows Orga's orders
and that one guy Mika killed right off the bat when eyebrows wanted a fair duel.

I hope more stuff happens in Season 2.

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>>14636264
Im probably the only one on /m/ who has it in his top 5.
Was it the best it could have been? No.
But it was better than zz, try, most of wing, unicorn, seed (and its bastard child) and a lot of the movies.

Honestly, its going to be like G is to the common non gundam fan. A lot of non gundam fans like wing, hate anything UC and are iffy on G. Its like that for /m/, but switched around and G is replaced with IBO.

The biggest complaints ive heard are
>not political enough/not deep enough
>we hate Kudelia, shes the fucking worst
>pacing issues
>no real development of characters

I couldnt care less about the politics because they're there, but not in your face like in a lot of the older ones (which was very hit or miss imo), Kudelia is far from the worst (Lacus, Flay, Louise and relena are far worse than anything Kudelia did), I agree it had some pacing issues and as for the development, Yes, they could use /some/, but they are already deeply routed comrades by the time the show starts (with a deep sense of protecting each other since no one else will) and their child soldiers who have had some horrid shit done to em... What growth did you expect?

Just my 2 cents.

>>14640420
>A lot of non gundam fans like wing, hate anything UC and are iffy on G
What? Normies love G

>Kudelia did
She did fuck all though, she shat around and complained for most of the show and then had one bad speech. She actively made the show more dull and boring

>What growth did you expect?
If only they were coming across and making alliances with new groups which could lead to new interesting interactions for them that cause growth. And if your characters have no where to go in terms of growth then they are not very good for most stories including this one which is more character focused

>>14640420
>Kudelia is far from the worst (Lacus, Flay, Louise and Relena are far worse than anything Kudelia did

nah Kudelia is the worst of them all. The reason? she was fucking boring who done almost nothing and were treated as this special snowflake princess of peace and when she finally deliver her fucking speech at the last fucking episode it was tard force, annoying and down right cliche. All and all it was fucking boring. Even Lacus was bit useful when she started to pull out from her ass a Strike Freedom gundam and a meteor pack. Fuck even Nina Purpleton was entertaining when she decide to cuck Kou and shoot him while a colony started to freefall into Earth. Is it rage worthy? fuck yes it was fucking rage worthy. Is it boring? no it was actually hilarious when it happened

>>14636264
>So, why does IBO seem to get shit on so hard?
For the most part it's basically just G-rektfags being butthurt over people not liking G-Reco and trying to get back at people who didn't like it by attacking any other new Gundam shows coming out, thinking that if they didn't like G-Reco, they liked other gundam shows.

The funny part is that when you bring this up they don't even deny this, they often just attack you saying that you're just stupid and couldn't understand the often disjointed mess that was the plot even thou you didn't even state your opinion on G-Reco.

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>>14636264
> So, why does IBO seem to get shit on so hard?
Many people have various different reasons. Many people also like this show, so more of different opinions. Generally, from the announcement people were very excited because it seemed like after a good while we were getting Gundam TV series with somewhat "war-setting", easy-to-follow storytelling (people referencing G-reco), and not primarily "kid" and "toy"show (referencing AGE and BF). At least this was the case in Japan (cannot comment on English speaking community since only site I follow of that is actually this one), people were excited about this.

Well, then we got what we got. Classic AU Gundam formula of "defected" pretty-boys getting into cross with status quo organization. Slow plot, once again absolutely useless female semi-main character which is supposed to be a respectable "symbol" of peace and is supposed to lead the world to mutual understanding but due to her acting you cannot really see her do that. The story was lacking and stretched out. They really tried to make the viewer feel about the characters and tried to make them come over as a family but due to poor presentation it hadn't really came over properly - everybody just seemed brainless or annoying. It had some nice cuts here and there. I also loved the ultimate production joke of making Obari AD of the episode with barely any mecha. Yokoyama Masaru's OST had some nice tracks, as I remember.

Opinions, though. Finish the show and tell us yours, mate.

>>14640864
>cannot comment on English speaking community since only site I follow of that is actually this one

It was pretty much the same on American sites. People saw them using tanks and got excited. We learned they were mercenaries, and we got excited. People warmed up to Barbatos' design as time went on. We heard about Kudelia and... people were afraid. But then people saw Orga and went "OMG, it's Gundam KAMINA" and got excited.

Basically, the hype just kept coming with each new piece of information we got. People were expecting a gritty tale full of action.

How did those Japanese communities like the show anyway?

>>14637547
I've never seen a more horribly misinformed opinion regarding both of those shows.

>>14640888
> It was pretty much the same on American sites.
Oh, thanks for input. Interesting how the reaction was pretty similar.

> How did those Japanese communities like the show anyway?
There was nice Jap meme which actually sums up the situation pretty well - "Too hard Gundam for fujoshi, too homo for Gundam fans." Though, this was mainly used in regard to TV ratings which were pretty bad for such timeslot. (Nichigo, one of the most popular day-time anime time-slots). It went hand in hand with meme that "Tekketsu killed Nichigo." Overall, the show found its fans. Discs are selling actually well - first one scored over 13k and the next-to-last sold 7k. The first season will average around 9k in reported sales (it's always a bit more in reality). That is pretty decent. The second season will have it worse.

>>14640918
>The first season will average around 9k in reported sales
That's mostly cause the first disk was cheaper plus code. Which despite that didn't manage to retain many from the boost, it would be closer to 8k average without it

Still good, but I don't think 8 or 9 is what they were really hoping for looking at the amount of effort and likely money put in

>>14640864
>(cannot comment on English speaking community since only site I follow of that is actually this one
The show was pretty hyped on most sites, but as time went on you can see that while discussion remained positive it also dropped off the radar quite a bit.

The best way I'd describe the overall reaction to IBO is apathy, some love and some hate but the majority if probably that middle group who sat through cause it was on and a bit better than most stuff on a season. The problem is apathy doesn't translate to fans.

kits did well though

>>14640918

I'm actually the guy who makes the graphs comparing IBO's sales to G-Reco's/other recent mecha anime.

You know how it is, sometimes a visual presentation helps.

>>14640918
>"Tekketsu killed Nichigo."
What about streaming it? People tend to use that as a defense, but if I recall correctly streaming isn't as prominent in Japan as it is in North America.

>>14640974
>>14640985
Same, I too think they were hoping for better numbers, expecially since the show was to Japanese partly promoted as "stellar duo Nagai x x Okada takes on Gundam".

>>14640998
> You know how it is, sometimes a visual presentation helps.
Definitely. Especially on a pic board, it's pretty helpful! Thanks! Though, in the end I prefer numbers in cells in tables. But these graphs are very handy.

>>14641018
It's getting bigger in Japan but still very slowly. More people are attracted to marathon streams of finished shows which are being streamed in bunch of episodes at the time. I think Hagaren from 2003 was streamed in four sessions each consisting of thirteen episodes and people liked it. Bu I haven't really followed streams of Tekketsu if there were any. The thing is that in a major slot like Nichigo, the share Tekketsu brought to the screens were really low and not even a successful streaming (for what that amounts to in Japan) could save it in this regard. Tekketsu's ratings at times even fallen under 1% if I'm not mistaken. The show which aired in the same slot previous season (Arslan Senki) managed to pulled of 4% and 5% viewers share regularly.

The streaming is really huge in China, though. NTV animation producer responsible for Kiseijuu: Sei no kakuritsu anime adaptation said that incredible streaming revenue from China managed to bring up enough funds for the show not to be in too heavy loss. (In Japan it did quite poorly - bad BD/DVD sales, bad TV ratings, bad general response.) At this rate soon saying "China is saving anime" will transcendent being a joke.

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>>14641152
>partly promoted as "stellar duo Nagai x x Okada takes on Gundam".
Interesting. In general how much advertising was there, and how much not gunpla merch was there?

I got the impression this was meant to be a new 00 in terms of popularity, not just cause of the whole fujo angle

Also here are the ratings for the other guy

>>14641152
>Tekketsu's ratings at times even fallen under 1% if I'm not mistaken.

1.2%. Though I remember when it first fell below 2% one of the producers, Ogawa I think, tweeted that the show would pick up as it got towards the end. But this was also the time when I remember seeing a lot of mockery over it's ratings, as well as the fact as it was scoring below it's G-Reco counterparts that aired in the middle of the night.

>>14641173
>>14641240
> below 2%
Oh, my mistake, though even that is pretty low for Nichigo.

>>14641173
> In general how much advertising was there, and how much not gunpla merch was there?
They certainly were pushing the show quite a lot. The way they announced it also helped, I remember people were pretty excited how the new Gundam design got revealed bit by bit. I cannot really comment on gunpla since I'm not really following that aside from looking at pics of built models from time to time. The only model I ever built myself was one version of Nu Gundam since I love that design. But I don't even have that anymore (though, it was very neat). But this anon says that kits did decently. >>14640985

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>>14641323

>>14636264
>I haven't watched an entire show, and thus I am not able to fully judge, so why are you, people who have fully seen it, giving your opinion after fully seeing when what I have seen has yet to be too terrible?
Did you unironically just write out something this fucking stupid?

>>14636332
>Deep goal
>something as forced and arbitrarily bad guy evil as kiddie slavery needs to be stopped!

>>14641305
>But this anon says that kits did decently.

The line had some hits, but from my understanding there were also some that didn't do so hot. Back after new years there was some buzz about how the sales were drying up, along with pictures of the Brewers and Turbine kits marked down. IBO kits were already pretty cheap by HG standards, around the same price as OYW suits or SDs, so this was something of a shock. Sales did pick up on some of the later kits like the Graze Ritter.

As it stands, those two factions make up 5/18 of the kits from season 1. Almost a third of the line that we know of they had to mark down to move. Could even be more.

With IBO, they were releasing kits as they came out in the show as well as bringing back NG 1/100 models for the first time since 2009. It's this that suggests there was big expectations placed on the line. But Bandai wasn't bragging like they did with Build Fighters either.

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>>14641427
>kiddie slavery needs to be stopped!
Well apart from when Kudelia employs them

>>14641431
I was working off what derringer said, haven't seen him in a while

>>14641431
As always with these discussions, this is speculation based on a small number of anecdotal reports. A few stores having some kits marked down is in no way a representative sample of the whole market. I understand that it's your best guess since Bandai never releases sales figures for gunpla, but please remember that the information you're drawing your conclusion from is far from complete.

>>14641420
IBO was a meme far before the series S1 was finished.

>>14636477
Relena felt normal to me when I first watched Wing, but that was only because I had just finished Mirai Nikki at that time.

>>14636264
I honestly can't see any criticism of IBO that doesn't also apply to Wing, X, Seed, and 00. Seems like it's just a big meme to pretend it's the worst thing ever.

>>14642125
00 wasn't nearly as fucking boring

>>14636264
>is there a huge drop in quality
This mainly. Ignore the story for a second, all Gundams have pretty stupid stories in their own right.

IBO would've been fine if the fights were at least well animated. They're not.

Later episodes turn into a trainwreck of stills and lacklustre choreography which is pretty bad when this series is sparse on the fights. There is only about like 3 short fights which are decently animated in the whole series. 1 is the debut of Barbatos and the other is the final battle.

>>14642125
>X, 00
>as bad as IBO, Wing, and Seed
get the fuck out

>>14642373
00 is inferior to Wing and Seed in every way

>>14642406
the most absolute incorrect opinion I have ever heard

>>14641152
>Same, I too think they were hoping for better numbers, expecially since the show was to Japanese partly promoted as "stellar duo Nagai x Okada takes on Gundam".
People were more put off by this than anything, because Nagai or Okada had basically no reputation (or a bad one) in the mecha genre.
The funny part is that it also brought back certain people who didn't gave a fuck about Gundam but just wanted to see how Nagai and Okada would handle it. Those were disappointed that it ended up very close to the Gundam formula enventually, while the majority of /m/ despise the show for not being enough Gundam.

About the sales figure discussion, you have to keep in mind that 9k average is pretty good by today's standards. The era of (mecha) shows selling 30+ thousands copies in Japan is long over. Actually it's impressive that such an over-exploited franchise hasn't crashed already.

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>>14641431
>It's this that suggests there was big expectations placed on the line. But Bandai wasn't bragging like they did with Build Fighters either.

What do you mean they weren't bragging, they were bragging about how successful the lines were out the ass at the livestream of the Build Fighters Island Wars/IBO 2 season announcement. It's where this image came from, there's freaking 22 kits already planned. I honestly couldn't believe how many fucking kits in S1 to have sold to get so much confidence, but it had to have been REALLY high.

>>14636264
It's just the Z v.s. ZZ fight but with IBO v.s. Reconguista.

>>14641152
Streaming on mobile devices, particularly phones is taking off in Japan. I'd be curious to see what those numbers, but in general they are likely much higher than we think. Often times I feel like we on the oppsite side of asia are acting like those old cable networks that downplayed netflix/youtube.

>>14636264
i hate IBO i honestly think its a piece of shit. however i love the Astaroth side story manga its way better. And Astaroth feels like a better protagonist gundam than the Barbatos. i wish we have this as animation instead.

>>14643359
The side story manga is barely better (that awful fight in the first chapter, "Daddy", etc) but I do think it is better. The girl is pretty cute, too.

>>14636264
WHITE MALES ARE CONTRITARIANS: MORE AT 11

How come whenever a IBO/G-Reco shitposting thread goes up, there is always a G-Reco/IBO thread to go along with it?

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Did you know they thought Mika would need reference for faces like these?

>>14642451
Given that it's just a synthesis of the worst aspects of each, he's right.

>>14644733
This is actually the most I've ever seen him emote

>>14644733
They could've at least fit that rage face in the show. But nope, he's got as many facial expressions as Kristen Stewart.

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Why isn't /m/ all over Mika's cock anyway?
He's like a fucking brutal merc soldier who just follows orders and mauls whoever is on the way. No UNDERSTANDING, no emotions, no "but they are human too". Just murder. That's the kind of shit you guys have been whining about for years.

By the way, it was hilarious when the MUH HONOR chick came to duel fair and square and he didn't even wait for her to finish her speech to butcher everything while they're off guard.

Why are all the Gundam series normies like the most boring ones? IBO and Wing are slow as hell, 0079 is faster paced.

>>14644918
>No UNDERSTANDING
That doesn't mean people don't like understanding, as in the well done form

> no emotions
No one asked for that

>no "but they are human too"
People dislike that in certain situations, and when it is overblown

People also like a character that is interesting, has a bigger role in the plot not just feeling like a side character, has a lot of growth that actually leads to something and deals with a range of concepts not just going yeah whatever I guess Orga says.

The only people who like Mika are edgy tards

>>14644893

It would had fit during the duel with Carta where he snaps for killing Biscuit, screaming about how could a noble woman like kill someone who isn't in a mobile suit in such cold blood.

>>14644918

Setsuna is better

>>14644918
he's no M.D. Geist beside he's a manlet

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>>14645125
Heero is better than both of them

>>14644733

If Orga says he should be smug then he will be smug

>>14636332
Someone hasn't seen Turn A.

>>14644918
Because he is a kid and looks like one too. Being a manlet doesn't help his case.

>>14644918
But I like understanding (lowercase).

>>14636264
This show is simply so damn bad on so many levels, it's poorly written, it's poorly directed, it's poorly thought out, it's poorly animated, it's poorly produced, it's poorly paced, the characters suck. Only saving grace are the mecha designs but since they never move you might as well just take a look at production charts.

I just finished it and I really enjoyed the show. I don't really think it needs a S2 so I was surprised to see that.

>>14644918
I didnt want Coldsteel

Those who say Mika is somewhat similar to Heero or Setsuna are obviously ADHD people who didn't watch either show. Mika is not "edgy" and doesn't behave like a asshole to others like Heero did. Mika was polite and expressed interest in various things through the show, even kissing a girl because he was curious. Heero or Setsuna wouldn't do this, they were literal robots who only seem human when the script needed it.

Also keep in mind that IBO staff thinks that the MC is not Mika, but Mika and Orga.

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>>14636264
I liked it. It has cool robots.

>>14647910
>Also keep in mind that IBO staff thinks that the MC is not Mika, but Mika and Orga.
>Aina gets more screentime and relevance than both

Yeah I think the staff are retarded

>>14647927

Ippei Gyoubu is the hero we need. His designs are such a breath of fresh air compared to all the uninspired trash we've been getting for the past 16 years.

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>>14647944
but Mika said yeah that sounds like a good idea a few times, so apparently that counts as having a character

Kudelia also had more interaction with both than they had with each other

>>14644918
You want BRUTAL
Amuro kill of a name grunt and shrug it off like it was normal. Later on he steal some grunt weapon and kill the grunt with his own weapon and fuck off to face Char.

Fuck even Uso is more brutal as fuck when he has the highest kill list of all Gundam protag and casually genocide an entire side population by destroying countless battleship with his Gundam twin VSBR rifle and the WoL.

Now thats brutal.

Kill off a dude or a chick when he try to say his last word is just a douchey move considering the battle in IBO can be count with T-rex hand

>>14644918
I don't know about most /m/ but I personally want a MC that's similar to Amuro at least.

I want to see the character development, at first he may be clumsy, arrogant, whiny or just a kid in general.

Next when he was introduced to the horror of MS combat and the atrocities happening on both sides his character actually develop more and more till the end he eventually accept his role (either as a soldier that follows order or a soldier that follow his heart).

He is not badass from the start instead he got challenged and have a tough time piloting and maybe his reckless action got some of his m8 killed in the process.

That sort of scene solidify a character development progress and it shows to the audience that everyone is the same, they will cry when someone died and hurt when u got saber'd in the ass.

Not like some manlet that suddenly a "turbo bad ass kill people without remorse and am I cool yet mom" kind of character just because the show tell him to be with no actual stuff of why he is badass.

Instead I as the audience suddenly have to accept that this piece of shit is the greatest strategist ever and this turd is a harden veteran fucking bad ass.

It may appeal to some people but to me his character design was made by some 10 year old edge lord who think the "world r bad boo hooo"

>>14644918
Because he's fucking boring. We're all over Geists cock because he's entertaining. We slobber over Kamillie boipucci because he's entertaining and grows and learns from his autism. Mikazuki doesn't have that. He doesn't have an arc about learning how to deal with his emotions, or guilt, or anything. He's just nothing.

>>14648909
>it's bad because it's not a trainwreck

ayy

>>14647910
>Mika is not "edgy" and doesn't behave like a asshole to others like Heero did.

You might actually want to watch IBO.

>>14648833
Mika stole the Kimaris lance to stab Gaelio with it though.

He also back handed some Graze that was sneaking up on him by throwing a axe without even looking at it.

>>14647910
>Mika is not "edgy" and doesn't behave like a asshole to others like Heero did

>You killed Crank!
>Who?
>ARGHH

>>14636264
/m/ has a lot of jaded morons that like to shit on everything in the franchise that isn't 0079 or War in the Pocket because disliking a lot of things makes you appear more cultured and tasteful, especially disliking popular things which is why Zeta, the most beloved entry in UC, has been getting so much shit over the past couple of years. Gundam in general is consistently above average with only a handful of notable failures like Seed Destiny and AGE, both of which only collapse in their latter thirds. It's pretty saddening to see so many people so vehemently trashing enjoyable products out of little more than unjust bitterness towards anything that isn't something they already like, especially in a franchise I love so much.

IBO is a fine Gundam series with a rather refreshing setting and competent direction all around. It's not the best entry but it's without a doubt in the upper tier and I'm excited for the second season.

>>14650977
>IBO is a fine Gundam series with a rather refreshing setting and competent direction all around
Fuck off Lauren

>>14649155
>being an idiot means you're edgy

Mika literally doesn't know what Ein's talking about, and he really doesn't care because the enemy must be defeated and Ein is the enemy.

If you think that's edgy, you're reading too deep into the behaviors of a kid who doesn't really know anything more complex than eat, sleep, kill, and survive. He's too blunt, dare I say too dumb to really impart a tone of malice into his interactions with others.

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>all she wanted was a fair fight
>some autist killed her proud soldiers in a fit of autist rage before they were even ready to battle
>gets killed by said autist who refuses to follow the rules of war
>died alone

She deserved to be protected

>>14651043
I was rooting for Gjallarhorn from about episode six or seven onward.

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>>14651043

>>all she wanted was a fair fight

Go back to the Edo period you stupid double eyebrow slut, this ain't G-Gundam!

The fight starts NOW.

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>>14651043
>any year
>thinking people will ever accept your batchall

REMOVE CLANS
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I just got done binge-watching this thing, and I feel sorry for the people that had to watch this one episode/week. It's very slow-paced and there were too few fights.

I'm disappointed it dropped the sort of punk atmosphere it had for most of the first half, I liked that Tekkadan had to deal with shit like not being able to repair Barbatos due to lack of resources.

Overall, IBO has potential to actually be good in the second season, instead of barely mediocre. They just have to have more fights and some development for Mika beyond "What do we do, Orga?" Maybe the damage piloting Barbatos is doing to him will catalyze that development.

>>14647927
The music and Barbatos were the main thing keeping me from dropping the show. I like how it's mainly a melee fighter, we don't see that often in Gundam. It's too bad there were barely any fights, and even fewer good fights. Barbatos is great to see in action.

>>14651043
I loved Carta because it was fun to watch her fail. She was the kind of "muh honor" person that should have been running Gjallarhorn on Mars. Maybe things would have different then.

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>>14651068

>>14651043

War has no rules.

>>14651043
>>14651102
The problem wasn't so much honor vs. dishonour as pageantry vs. pragmatism. I mean shit, this wasn't even Saber v. Kiritsugu level of "wah muh honor" and "wah heroes are delusions".

Carta was all about pomp and posing, in complete ignorance of basic realities of fighting. She routinely had her squad line up in pretty little maneuvers - and in the process, clustered them tight together, making them fish in a barrel for ranged attacks. In their duel, Mika kept knocking her away, and she kept walking right back into him, to the point all he had to was stand there and keep smacking her. In the end, she was a spoiled rich girl who got put in a cushy posting so she could play house and pretend to be some great military hero, and the one time she actually got called to do something, she failed miserably.

>>14651151
Go to bed clanner. Your cockpits are giant and your robots low-poly.

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>>14651043
Her whole handling just proves how incompetent the writing is

Although stupid she is established as wanting to do things correctly and well. That type is usually someone in Gundam our MC is reluctant or feels bad about fighting. This makes us feel bad for both of them, horrors of war etc. But in IBO, Mika doesn't care, we don't feel sorry for him at all cause he just mows them down while they barely fight back. Which is another issue in that many people naturally support an underdog, Tekkadan is meant to be but they steam roll everyone so easily while Carta can't catch a break.

Carta is set up as more human, well intentioned and a underdog. It makes Mika seem bad that he'd kill someone like that and not really care, it is more in line with what we would see a villain do yet no one brings him up on it. The only person who has before he just shrugs it off as yeah I guess, I thought that would be when he starts developing but nope at best we get a "wow kudelia sugoi with her words"

Also that part where he had her on the ground under the dinosaw and she just magically gets out of it and is away next episode was bullcrap.

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>>14651102
>They just have to have more fights
Seeing as season 1 looked so bad, and now they are doing 2 right after I can only imagine more quality

>>14651243
Cartafags, ladies and gentlemen.

>>14651243
do weird ass thick and small eyebrows like that exist in real life?

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>>14651175
Ah yeah, that describes the vibe she gave off a lot more than just "honor." It's those pompous types that tend to place importance on "muh honor" and shit like that.

>>14651253
At least I can hope that perhaps we'll get more actual quality in terms of story, perhaps.

It's a shame that there was no person in Gjallarhorn that was sympathetic to the goals of the independence movement, but I suppose that's down to the whole organization being corrupt. Maybe we'll get a sort of Quattro situation out of McGillis in S2, with him working outside of Gjallarhorn to remove the corruption within it?

I'm not expecting much from IBO going forward, but I hope it manages to avoid being SEED tier.

>>14651311
McGillis will hold Tekkadan to an ultimatum ripped straight out of the endgame of MGS Peace Walker: be Gjallarhorn's military arm, or become the new face of evil.

>>14644918
He's a flat character that only seems to appeal to the most myopic Gundam fans who think literally everyone that isn't Amuro and Kamille are the same as SEED Destiny Kira & Final Arc Kio.

What is there to like about this kid other than he may be a sociopath because there's really nothing he's done that we haven't already seen. He's a tragedy and deserves to be in a better show with characters that aren't less useful in battle than fucking Largan from Gundam AGE.

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>>14651326
I want Orga to become Big Boss, and I want Mika to learn to question his decisions.

>>14651328
If S2 turns out to not be executed incompetently, Mika might get some good development (although it should have come in the first season). I feel like any development he gets will depend on Orga and the direction he takes Tekkadan.

>>14651368
They honestly pissed away any hope of Orga becoming a morally questionable leader who did whatever it takes to get the job done and save his "family" when they killed of Biscuit.
Biscuit is the down to earth one with the good heart. He's supposed to be the one who helps keep everyone on track, orga from becoming griffith and mika from becoming a walking nuke.

The last ep where he just threw fucking bodies at the enemies like they were fucking nothing over fucking NOTHING basically ruined his character.

And Mika questioning Orga?
Bullshit. Mika going above and beyond what he thinks Orga wants and becoming a bit of a monster with only Orga and Atra(the petite former child whore, what's her name?) being able to stop him? That would have worked.

Knowing that they could have killed Atra and he sends the barbatos over the edge and he starts slaughtering everything on the field and Orga has to get out of their position and put himself at risk to get him to calm down because he's both fucking up the plan AND going to get himself killed/devoured by that machine.

>>14651311
Actually, I could have seen Carta taking the place of Kudelia. Her personality, her connections, her entire thing as a failure of a military leader who's all about being an honest good and noble lady of the sword who protects the earth and even makes fantastic speeches.
That would have actually worked.
Just fuse the characters together.

Even have choco-char manipulate her from behind the scenes and have her basically give him gjarllhorn on a plate without her realizing it.

>>14651424
>They honestly pissed away any hope of Orga becoming a morally questionable leader who did whatever it takes to get the job done and save his "family" when they killed of Biscuit.
>Biscuit is the down to earth one with the good heart. He's supposed to be the one who helps keep everyone on track, orga from becoming griffith and mika from becoming a walking nuke.
They could have had Orga question his choices after seeing the dead bodies of the Tekadan after going crazy and having Meribit Bright slap him but nope, everything worked out very well and no one questioned his decisions and even Meribit actually joined them.
It was shit.

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>>14651424
Yeah, it would take something actually catastrophic to get Mika to lose faith in Orga, but I'm just throwing out my hopes here. I think the only thing that would get Mika to that place would be Orga actually betraying/selling out his 'family' or something akin to that.

That's a good point on Carta, that would have been interesting to see. One of the biggest problems present in IBO is how little out-of-combat contact Mika and the others get with the less shitty members of Gjallarhorn like Carta and not-Garma.

IBO is a story of wasted potential.

>>14636957
Orga is the main character tho, more screentime / development ?
Mika Just pilots the Gundam

>>14640758
Somebody lower than Relena?
Confirmed retarded

>>14642151
Stop, every episode using kaioken Trans Spam. And a main gundam with a literal plane slapped to its back. And furthermore aliens??? Not to mention its a "reboot of wing", borefest guaranteed with marina not doing shit. Cmon anon 00 isn't nearly as good as people make it out to be.

>>14651451
>development
He didn't though, and he really doesn't have much easier

Unfortunately, Kudelia was the main character

I liked the emphasis on ballistic weaponry.

>>14651530
Everything just dies in one hit anyway, not like there is ever any good choreography either

>>14651281
But he's right.

>>14651445
That would only work if they showed her helping kuldelia with the kids and started to come to care for the people on the ship AND built up her relationship Orga more in the show. If they threw out the thing where Mika just kept asking WHAT DO NOW WHAT DO NOW over and over again and had it be the christmas cake trying to cheer him up but ends up getting plowed against a wall then she'd have a bit more sway.

But she's just the ship mom who does a piss poor job at emulating the heart of the team role.

>>14651448
Dude, Mika backed him throwing the other members of tekkadan at a bunch of absolute fucking retards in a stupid as shit battle that made no sense even in context of the world in which it was in .

>>14651505
>Trans Spam
Only in S2 when it's the only trump card CB has
> a main gundam with a literal plane slapped to its back
Not even a criticism to the series. If we are criticizing mecha design then the gundam frames are absolutely retarded with their waists being held by 2-3 pistons
>aliens
Only in the movie and foreshadowed through the series. God forbid if the franchise tries anything new
>"reboot of wing", borefest guaranteed
Whether or not the similarities to Wing are intentional the creators never said anything and it's all the fans and you are influenced by your opinions of Wing
>Marina not doing shit
Even if she played a big part in Setsuna's character and was somewhat connected to Katharon she never really was a main character. She was the ruler of a declining country and elected to power only because of her lineage with no experience or any knowledge or power to affect the transpiring events. If she did do something great while like that it would seem really stupid

>>14651643
>Trump card...
Used in every fight. Thats not a trump card anymore, if so Jegan how are you is also a trump card

>>14651643
> God forbid if the franchise tries anything new
Isn't Gundam supposed to be real robot, with humans only? Also Explain how setsuna became omnipotent Godlike by fusing with metalic alien germs?
Also the amount of beam spam in 00 exceeds mr Yamato by far take a look at Zabanya for starters, that thing is dakka beam gundam Mc Spammalot and also the battles in S2 where it seems everybody could shoot lasers from their ass.

>She was the ruler of a declining country and elected to power only because of her lineage with no experience or any knowledge or power to affect the transpiring events
And your point is? Kudelia was the same and got shit done for Mars at the end of S1. Granted she was bitching alot of the time, she did made Mars better. Also Marina was pretty prominent in the series, but her secretary did the actual work. So miss me with that BS of not a main character.

I liked Kuudelia, I liked Orga, I thought the character Mika should have been run over by a bus (his only defining character trait is that everyone likes him and that he's silent a lot)?

There's stoic characters, and then there's not even making an effort at hiding the fact that you are just trying to make someone a self-insert for edgy tween kids.

Show would have been much better if beefy nigga would have been the lead pilot. I liked that guy. He was stoic done right.

Overall the story was okayish but too on the nose with everything. It was pretty fuken weak compared to Tomino stuff.

>>14651798
>Isn't Gundam supposed to be real robot, with humans only?
Elements of super robot things have popped up into a lot of series even if given scientific explanation. No one said anything about humans only and 00 actually has an interesting take on aliens it's not like they were campy blue skinned humans. Setsuna didnt become god or omnipotent he was just assimilated.
In a place where beam weaponry is the norm isnt everyone shooting beams supposed to be expected? As for the movie's beam spam it's a battle of almost all of Earth's forces versus forces i dont even know how many times more.

>And your point is? Kudelia was the same and got shit done for Mars at the end of S1.
My point is that she doesnt have the power to do anything. She doesnt have the power to change the world.
I suppose you missed how terrible everyone thinks Kudelia was.
>inb4 you critisize me about using the word 'everyone'

>>14651738
>a valuable resource that may be used, especially as a surprise, in order to gain an advantage.
Going by definition then yes, both of them are. The difference however is that TransmAm is a time limit thing that cant be used continuously, has disadvantages and even then it's only used when things get rough while Chicken how are you is Sekai's regular fighting style from the beginning and in a retrospect there's no reason as to not throw around super punches in every battle.

I liked it. Just wrapped up the last episode.

Some of the writing got kind of lazy (did we need a second unheard-of sibling getting offed for no real reason?), but it really does deliver on building character relationships (drama not so much, really) and establishing the "persona" of Tekkadan. I really enjoyed its cast of characters a fuck of a lot more than 00's troupe of silent emo protagonists, that's really what I'm basing my judgment off of as it's the only other Gundam series still fresh in my memory.

I just never found myself giving a rat's ass (or even cock) about Celestial Being or its goals, but Tekkadan grew on me and propelled my continued viewings, really. I just got a shit-ton of "Metal Gear" vibes from the organization (think Peace Walker-Phantom Pain) and its inner workings.

The Gjallarhorn characters are all garbage however and McGillis' betrayal is really sloppily handled - would have been nice to have had hints as to what was going on interspersed throughout, but it basically devolves into a Scooby Doo unmasking. Also I thought the introduction of Carta and a couple others toward the end wasn't handled the best (seemingly thrown into the plot haphazardly), but they serve their purpose decently enough to provide a few more obstacles.

The alaya-vijnyana (or however the fuck it's spelled) system was a neat touch for the series' AU though, I like the idea that piloting one of these hugeass perfect war machines doesn't come without a hugeass toll on the pilot if used to its full potential.

Other anons are right that you never really feel a HUGE sense of loss when Tekkadan's casualties are discussed, but I owe that to the show's never really establishing the real size of the organization beyond the same cast of characters present from the first few episodes. At times it seems like there's hundreds of the little shits, at others maybe twelve in total.

Maybe S2 will fix some of that shit, but it would have worked as a one-off.

>>14651873
>Show would have been much better if beefy nigga would have been the lead pilot

You mean Akihiro?

That dude's a badass and I wish his "gundam" had gotten a lot more screen time. I liked the melee-combat focus of the plot and Barbatos smashing the fuck out of things toward the end, but I think Akihiro's monstrosity of a mech would've been cooler to see in that role.

Gusion bashing the fuck out of shit with a hammer: the anime should be what S2's about. Fuckin' fund it.

>>14636264
It does drop off, or at least it just doesn't really go anywhere.
Hell once they left earth it pretty much started down hill with the only redeemable thing being (for me) the Hyakuri.

I want more Mars.

Basically the first couple episodes (though QUALITY filled) build up the show as if we'll see a lot of new stuff gundam hasn't done before but then it kills those expectations and then drags on and even starts multiple harems.

>>14651243
Do you expect Mikazuki to give a shit about Carta?

He's a fucking child soldier and has been killing people since he was like 6 from the looks of it. The kid's a sociopath at best, like anyone would be after having been the instrument of as much violence as he has.

Tekkadan is Mother Base, and Master Miller (Orga) leads everyone on a crazed hunt for revenge. Mikazuki and the rest are the niglets from the Congo if MGS5 hadn't used them as disposable props.

Sure, he's a self-insert for edgy tweens in a way (maybe if you don't pay attention to the flashback scenes at least). But so were 3/4ths of the Celestial Being pilots, the only redeemable one getting fucking killed and conveniently replaced with a clone/twin anyway, and you cocksuckers seem to love that piece of shit and its asstastic writing.

>>14644918
I liked Mika and also had a hearty kek when he just up and annihilated two mechs before Carta could shut the fuck up (I hated that annoying cunt), but he is kind of an empty shell even within the "sociopathic child soldier" context. Maybe S2 will give him some development or at least some emotions. Failing that, they should really just fuse him into Barbatos because he never seems to do much else; if he's going to be a walking embodiment of his mech I say just cut out the middle-man and let him wreak havoc as Tekkadan's instrument of death.

>>14654180
If someone is using MGS5 story as a positive comparison you know their opinion is shit

>>14654180
>I liked Mika and also had a hearty kek
Stopped reading right there.

>>14654232
>>14654392
If someone can't read past the praise to get to the criticism, it's probably best that they keep to watching their anime so they never have to think about anything complex.

Not that IBO is complex. It's just barely above shonen like most Gundam series.

>>14654579
I stopped reading because you had a "hearty kek".

Fucking cringe.

>>14654809
>he doesn't kek
alliance loser

>>14650977
>IBO is a fine Gundam series with a rather refreshing setting and competent direction all around
So it's either jaded bastards or downright retards like this one.

>>14639948
>>14651424
>>14651445

It's kinda sad how much the final stretch of season 1 should have written itself.

Gjallarhorn uses the Dort revolts to turn public opinion against Kudelia. To the masses, Kudelia becomes a Martian rebel, surrounded by child soldiers and arming terrorists. Gjallarhorn makes capturing her a top priority, resulting in Tekkadan facing more than just Carta as they try and get to Earth. Ein doesn't get trashed near as heavily.

On Earth, the Prime Minster does his same blackmail gig with more leverage. Kudelia wants to use this opportunity to try and clear her name. But her and Tekkadan are sold out by the region they were in and Gjallarhorn arrives. Biscuit and Carta die like they do in canon.

Come the seige of Edmonton, things really go into the shit. Upon seeing the bodies, Orga suffers a massive crisis. Word comes from Mars that former Gjallarhorn have taken over Tekkadan's base, with that accountant Orga forced to work for him at gunpoint helping them. They make some big PR stunt about saving the kids from such a harsh life.

McGillis throws Tekkadan under the bus and uses Carta's death for PR. He goes on about how she tried to be merciful and honorable, representing what Gjallarhorn is supposed to be. Kudelia's speech doesn't work and she and Atra are taken into custody. Galieo and Ein faithfully serve McGillis.

Tekkadan suffers many loses and goes on the run. Barbatos and Gusion are pretty trashed. People's faith in Orga is shattered, and Orga is horrified at what he's done to his family. And at it all, everyone is pretty scared about what Mikazuki is going to do next.

>>14659915
How grimderp. Stick to Thunderbolt.

>>14636264
>why does IBO seem to get shit on so hard
>I've only seen 5 episodes
fuck off

>>14638853
This never fails to make me laugh.

>>14645217

Heero is the correct amount of brutality with intelligence and pragmatism. He has a character arc of learning, advancing in ability and often works solo to the best of his ability.

Murderzuki doesn't learn much at all or develop anywhere near as a character, coming off as static and flat. Only kept around as a joke gimmick reminder he's the protagonist of this shit fest.

>>14651043

She didn't get her fair duel the first time around but the second time she had no excuses for her inability to adapt. She lost the fair duel and failed to avenge her moron brigade of followers and ended up dying rather miserably.

>>14659921

Still better than the fullretard IBO ended up being.

>>14660159
Here's your ( you )

>>14637364
>Brewers didn't use young girls as playthings.

They have young boys tho.

>>14651505
Yeah but in 00 things happened and people actually had thought processes, and planning. We saw a nice little progression in S1 with the various nations coming together to formulate all sorts of interesting strategies on how to defeat the nigh invulnerable gundams. In IBO you don't have that. It's just Mika curbstomp.

>>14636373
She went the total politician path you'd actually get in real life rather than the typical gundam princess deal.

>I want to become hope for the people
>Single Issue candidacy
>EVERYTHING ON THIS ONE ISSUE
>If succeed, I am hope!
>Succeeds
>I became hope, everyone!

In the meantime she got to get covered in blood and see firsthand what trying to just lay down your arms will do to those around you.

I was SO happy Mikazuki didn't turn into one of those yamato pussies due to her halfway through

>>14660134
that's some nostalgia glasses going on there

What character arc of learning did Heero have? He never advanced in ability, he was always good.

Meanwhile, Mika learns to read, adapts figures out different weapon tolerances, actually attempts emulate those around him that are "normal" and develops an end game for himself (tend a farm) which is way beyond anything heero aspires to besides completing a mission

>>14647927
>This guy know his shit.

/m/ can't get over a toy commercial intended to sell toys.

>>14637242

What does that show have against Australia?

>>14636970
>IMO it would actually make sense for younger members of Tekkadan-- born into poverty and forced to work for CGS to have little to no knowledge of previous wars & the economic state of their world.

I'm late... but this would be good writing instead of using Char Choco.

>>14636264
I believe that the show had ... and still has a lot of potential. The Barbatos Gundam design is good, not at Exia levels of show, but I really like. The setting was interesting with its Post disaster legend...used very little unfortunately.

By the way, this is something I do not understand. It's almost historically that the best Gundams show, are those which give a large study to their setting and give him plenty of room. People loves this shit, that's why we have Astray and 00p, is a sign that a setting work weill when the audiance asks for more. I think that structure with self-contained episodes It would work better to develop the characters and their group as a mercenary.

The Kudelia mission would have done better to last only four to five episodes, to give a popularity boost to Tekkadan, but from then on, I feel the show should have been about several seemingly unrelated missions which then turn out to be all part of the great main quest.

>>14651043
I more annoyed that they basically repeated the same idea for an episode but different location

You can try and say that's what happens in every gundam but no. The reason, way and outcome will change even with the same people being encountered. With IBO though it just feels like they didn't know how to really differentiate most. Same thing with Pirates, they could have not even had that huge break between the two fights and you wouldn't be able to tell they were two separate times cause it all goes the same

>>14660572
That's never been an excuse to be a boring show with poor use of its giant robots and bad writing.

There's an announcement regarding IBO S2 tomorrow

>>14665476

I hope Mika learns to think for himself

>>14660929

I was talking about Front Mission Dog Life Dog Style. The Hero's Cross one.

>>14640036
The animation will likely be no different because the same studio is working on it. Plus they've already animated a part of the season.

>>14666008
New animation director, which can have a major effect on the quality (and QUALITY).

>>14659915

That actually sounds great.

>>14666020
Then I hope the storyboarding gets its act together. I'm tired of panning while people float unanimated in zero-G and shit. You'd think that with so many other Gundam series around you could take a quick look and see how to make a similar scene interesting but we got talking heads instead.

>>14636264
I dislike the bad animation it suffered, I mean fuck one of the bits that made the series different was that laser weapons were pretty useless in this universe so you'd expect them to have visceral mecha combat but no, they fucking botched it. Then there were the multiple episodes of them just talking on the ship with nothing to do.