So, Psycho Zaku. Was it ever explained why it required full

>>14611694
Thunderbolt is completely retarded and barely UC, and the anime adaption of it doesn't even get to the REALLY stupid parts you see later in the manga.

Because amputation allowing for the pilot to literally control the suit with 1:1 precision is visually more compelling compared to someone potentially getting a stroke through implanted interface

I dunno

It's a stupid waste of human resources and I'm legitimately disappointed they haven't bothered looking into limb regeneration like in 00. It's kind of where all this stem cell research is supposed to culminate in; prosthetics are only temporary solutions. And for some stupid reason, UC's prosthesis are downright archaic compared to what we can do now

>>14611742
>UC's prosthesis are downright archaic compared to what we can do now

The finger-movement through nerve control is pretty far beyond what we can do today

>>14611710
>the REALLY stupid parts you see later in the manga.
Like?

>>14611742
UC is behind Anno Domini when it comes to tech. I mean, just look at their cars.

>>14611746
Yeah but it doesn't look as realistic as ours = archaic

god forbid /m/ actually knows anything about what the fuck they're ever talking about

>>14611753
>Yeah but it doesn't look as realistic as ours = archaic

That probably has more to do with the fact that the hospital in question is on the front lines of a under-supplied and almost-forgotten front of the war

>>14611774

It's also stated that more advanced prosthetics exist, just these work the best with the tech/are what the scientists prefer to use.

>>14611694

Like most plot points of Thunderbolt, they just went with what would be considered most TRAGIC and HEARTBREAKING by its impressionable viewers.

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>>14611790
Are we still salty about the mindbroken girl? Thunderbolt is no edgier than Unicorn.

>>14611710
Do they get even more ridiculous backpacks? Do the backpacks get backpacks?

>>14611694
To handle higher Gs. By removing limbs you prevent blood flow to extremities where it pools and is difficult to pump back.

In Unicorn it's what Banagher poop pants does. They're balloons that expand and reduce blood flow to the legs during high G.

>>14611799
But unicorn is also terrible in terms of plot and writing,
So thats not really a good counterargument?

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>>14611806
>terrible in terms of plot and writing
Every Gundam is.

>>14611807
That in no way prevents certain gundam shows from being worse than others.

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>>14611819
Well okay, sure. But why even care at this point? It's all about the toys, silly fun and mechaporn.

>>14611751
A religeous sect of extremist Buddhists led by a newtype experiment acquires the reuse P device and their order takes over a country and is attempting to split from the EF. The newtype leader uses newtype swag to brainwash his followers, including Claudia who survived. Scientist girl who's name I can never remember is also mentally traumatized, mentally regressed into a child-like state and thinks Daryl is her daddy.

It does have Io kicking ass in a GM Kai though.

>>14611694
Because it's a plot device, just like any special system in gundam. This one just required amputated limbs for some reason. The manga artist didn't bother to fully explain how it works.

>>14611803
>By removing limbs you prevent blood flow to extremities where it pools and is difficult to pump back.

This isn't true, it's a myth started by Douglas Bader and his foundation, but it isn't supported by science.

The first few weeks after the amputation there is a higher blood pressure (due to the amount of blood being produced is still at pre-amputation levels) but as the body begins to adjust, blood pressure levels drop as the body learns how much blood the new body needs.

What this means is that a pilot with no legs will still pass out at the same g levels as a pilot with legs because their blood pressure is no different due to the body's ability to cope with traumatic body volume reduction

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>>14611824
Oh my God.

>>14611746

Good job showing off your ignorance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_CohI8Uc2s

>>14611899

Yes, because the tech shown there is well within the sophistication required to operate heavy machinery with fine detail.

I'm sure it's also very affordable and possible for purchase on the scale a military would need them.

I never said the technology was impossible in our world, only that were far off from seeing it.

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Since they're adding Thunderbolt to EXVS hopefully this glorious motherfucker will follow.

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>>14611824
Someone couldn't possibly make that up, so its probably true.

Holy shit.

>>14611824
>Scientist girl who's name I can never remember is also mentally traumatized, mentally regressed into a child-like state and thinks Daryl is her daddy.
This is someone's fetish, Isn't it?

>>14612008
Yeah. Mine.

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>>14612008
It is now!

It was before, too, but it still is. Yeah.

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I feel like the macabre, medieval technical decisions, like quadruple amputation for better human/computer interaction, mirrors, or at least, resembles, the desperation of the scientists in the World Wars to make shit work with the scant resources and actual experience available. If you look at every gun prototype from back then, and what made it into production now, you'll see what I mean.
pic somewhat related

>>14611971

I never understood that whole "We don't undo the cord, we just let it WHIP WILDLY AROUND THE HANGER WHERE IT COULD FUCKING KILL SOMEONE"

Like, fucking what? There's a guide RIGHT THERE in the scene, he could have fucking died if that cord had whipped around and hit him.

>>14612090
Char did it in a rush in CCA so now everyone has to do it.

>>14611971
>>14612090
>>14612103
Is there anything that launches this way in the real world?

>>14612107

Paratroopers sorta do, but not in such a way it endangers others:

Here, (watch from 3:20 to 3:40)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-2puqqmycM

Those yellow cords connect the parachute packs to the aircraft itself. Those cords gets ripped out when the paratrooper jumps out which deploys the parachute (most of the time). After all the troopers have jumped, the cords are pulled inside by the air crew

Those cords are whipping around the OUTSIDE of the aircraft, not inside where it could hit and injury the Jump Master

dude can't jerk it anymore

hope his slut scientist gf will suck his dick now

>>14612131
>Daryl finds out she used to suck off her amputee dad when she was younder

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When you tell your brother in law your evil plan and then try to kill him

>>14612131

Zeon certaintly has a comfort women program in place, Daryl will be fine

>>14612191
>comfort women program
Sounds like a Feddie thing.

>>14612244
Nah, Zeon is Imperial Japan mixed with Nazi Germany.

Its only fitting they would 'Emancipate' other spacenoid's colonies and in return have their women serve to comfort their brave Zeon warriors of Independence.

>>14611985
It's true.
I look forward to the reactions when the upcoming release of the manga gets far enough in and people move past where the anime left off. The 'WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING?' is gonna go through the roof.

>>14612090
>Like, fucking what? There's a guide RIGHT THERE in the scene, he could have fucking died if that cord had whipped around and hit him.

In other series, that might be worth something.
In Thunderbolt, however, that's GRITTY REALISM. CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAR'S LIKE, MOTHERFUCKERS!

>>14612244
Nah, Feddies are allowed to fuck any women walking their way. It's just that White Base never got the memo.

>>14612316
Stop shitting on Thunderbolt for silly grittiness/edginess already.

>>14612090
>"What the fuck is he talking about, the launch bay is mostly empty--"
>there's a fucking guy standing by the bay doors calmly waving around a marshalling wand
>he's right on the edge, too
Either he's the dumbest motherfucker, or he's the ballsiest motherfucker. Either way, he deserves a drink for surviving that shit.

>>14612330
Have you seen the latest chapters?

That stigma's not going away any time soon.

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>>14612357
>stigma
Famalama, just stop.

>>14611789
Doesn't the Zeon scientist's Father have a full prosthetic hand compared to the three fingers the pilots seem to get?

>>14611800
All of Asia, sans Japan and a few other places rebels against the federation because they're all mind-controlled by a Buddhist newtype.

>>14612357
I've only watched the ONA, I liked the grimdark theme, then again I also liked MGSV. guess I just got shit taste

>>14611824
>/m/ will still say IBO is the worst thing in the franchise when this exists

>>14612244
Feddies just rape any woman in their path

>>14611694
>getting this deep into thought about that
lmfao

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>>14612467
IBO isn't the worst thing in the franchise. SEED and Destiny will forever hold that dishonor. Then G wrecko and IBO.

>>14612330
Literally the point of Thunderbolt is that it's edgy. Of course people who don't like that are going to shit on it, it's the same reason people shit on BF for being lighthearted.

>>14612482
How do you feel that your Shota likes 'em anyway?

>>14612503
He'll grow up eventually.

>>14611807
>what is 0080
>what is G

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>>14611694

Only good thing I like about Thunderbolt are these new models

>>14611694
Why is the tech level in Thunderbolt so fucking high?
It's like Sentinel all over again, with specs that are decades ahead of the times.

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>>14612804

>Two Shields

Four Shields or go the fuck home

>>14611694
In the UC universe, the tech for bionic limbs/prosthetics already exists. The Psycho Zaku was just testing what would happen if they used the input mechanism for the prosthetics in a mobile suit. It doesn't REQUIRE full amputation, but it's full potential is brought out if someone can manipulate it as easily as they could their own limbs instead of using joysticks

>>14611807
>Using MGSV Miller

Speaking of poor storytelling

>>14612804

I like how the HGs have RG level detail without actually being such, but those fuckhuge backpacks inflate the prices waaaay too much in addition to looking pretty darned stupid half the time.

If its supposed to be psycommu controlled, then why on earth would it need you to plug your amputee stubs into it in order to pilot?

Doesn't help that the design is literally Ridden's Zaku with a bunch of trash hanging off the back either.

>>14613128
>If its supposed to be psycommu controlled
It's not. Psyco (often spelled "psycho") in Gundam really just means psychic communication (controlled directly via brain,) but the Reuse Psycho device and the actual psycommu system are two completely different interfaces.

>>14613128
It's not psycommu controlled and psycommu requires a newtype.

If anything, the Reuse-P device is a pre-psycommu since it incorporates direct manipulation of the suit through the mind, but the use of the nervous system as opposed to space magic is a pretty significant difference.

>>14612503
Sei just loves giant robots and Gundam, I can respect that. Hell I like some designs from CE myself. He also has a healthy respect for the validity of punching a guy in the face, he's a pretty cool guy really.

>>14612973

Hey, atleast it looks cool, to some.

And you forget the extra 2 custom shields, extra armour, fuel tubes, extra weaponry, and also moar sticker. Of course it will cost you extra 50%.

>>14612454
Let's put it this way - this is by the guy who also did Front Mission: Dog Life, Dog Style, and it fucking shows hard at times (up to an including an 'EVERYBODY'S GETTIN' RAPED!' flashback)

>>14611694
Because it's a matter of making the pilot feel comfortable with operating it and putting minimal strain on their nervous system. Yes in ZZ you had the quasi-psycommu system which allowed oldtypes to use wire-guided remote weapons with their minds, but it allegedly put incredible strain on the pilot due to the amount of multitasking of not only controlling the INCOMs, but their suits by conventional means.

There's a couple of reasons why having a quad amputee pilot the Psycho Zaku as opposed

>Technological levels
It's hard to tell if the science had progressed far enough in UC or Thunderbolt to do what you suggested. Even the prosthetics used are still simplistic where a hand consists of 3 L shaped pieces with ball and socket joints to give motion.

Plus the science involved with messing with someone's nervous system to plug it into a mobile suit would require human test subjects who are healthy before the tests. So the odds of finding willing people to have their vertebrate and spinal cord modified is questionable. Also, if a pilot is plugged into the system and it gets damaged or malfunctions, what's to say the pilot won't get permanently maimed and lose the use of his limbs?

>Psychological effect
Assuming the pilot still have their limbs in tact and the neural pathways are altered to pilot the mobile suit. The pilot's limbs would essentially be 'limp' because they are no longer receiving commands from the brain. (It gets rerouted to the mobile suit.) That would sort of experience would probably cause huge levels of psychological stress on the pilot. Add to that making sure the pilot is comfortable with having his nervous system controlling the mobile suit and not his body.

>General Use
You'd have to fine tune the mobile suit to each particular pilot's nervous system. (It wouldn't have the same sort of plug and play you see with Thunderbolt's prosthetic limbs.) So say a mobile suit that's controlled by a pilot's spinal column gets limited mass production. You wouldn't be able to take one pilot and give them another of the same unit because it has to be to their own specifics. Meanwhile you can have your average pilot use any mobile suit even if it's not fine tuned to them. Based on what we know of the technology used in Thunderbolt, the same thing would apply for the Psycho Zaku. Further more, people tend to have specific limbs assigned to them for data collection purposed and not because it works only with them based on the universal plug and play style used. (I'll admit this is a big assumption on my part since i haven't read the latest issues.)


So a Psycho Zaku, while extremely round about and specific, is much better because of the following.

>Psychological
Amputees are basically only serving to help their family are comrades as this point because they no longer have their limbs to be combat effective on their own. The Psycho Zaku lets them control a mobile suit better than they ever could conventionally, so there is the instant morale boost by the pilot. See Daryl having tears for joy in how he was able to outperform Io and his technologically superior suit with a modified Zaku II.

>Technological
The Psycho System is based off the tech already developed in Thunderbolt where a pilot is plugged into a suit rather than a prosthetics. (assumption again.) So it's better to work with conventional technology even if it seems like a contrived work around, because it works. When traveling to some place, do you prefer to take the way you're more comfortable with than the way that is most efficient? Same idea here.

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>General
It gives purpose to those who would otherwise be combat ineffective and while it requires a huge cost from potential pilots, it would be much easier to maintain with much less risk of damage to the pilots. When the Psycho Zaku was crippled, Daryl was able to just detach himself from the unit and exit. A system that directly plugs your spinal cord to the system would more likely be a lot more delicate in having the pilot remove himself from it in a timely manner.

So, it works better with the technology at hand even if requires a huge cost from the pilot. On the other hand, it doesn't carry as many complications or risks if something goes wrong with the system as compared to one that requires interface with one's spinal cord directly.


Also, I don't think something would wound a pilot's pride more than getting beaten in 1 on 1 combat and seeing the pilot who beat you climb out and looking like this.

>>14611800
Half of Zeon said 'fuck you' to the announcement of the armistice that was signed by traitors who appropriated the name 'Republic of Zeon' and are still waging war against the Federation.

Also Dolos that is Origin sized and used a giant submarine pen

>>14613474
>Half of Zeon said 'fuck you' to the announcement of the armistice
Shouldn't that be like ten child soldiers by that point? I feel like they regularly retcon how badly Zeon lost the war(s) so that they can keep having more Zeon remnants keep fighting in future installments. At this point I think the Federation has killed more Zeon remnants in the years since 0079 than they killed actual zeeks in the OYW.

>>14612868
>>14612804

Also making by the FA look good by doing what's it's designed to do. Be a glorified battering ram.

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>>14613431
>Front Mission: Dog Life

Damn, this is literally page three

You weren't fucking kidding

>>14612008

Yeah, mental regression is a thing. I guess we should be glad it didn't go all the way to diapers.

I remember something being mentioned about it being part of psycommu research.

Also Zeon is retarded.

>>14613865
it's another offshoot in that "mental control technology" meant to provide enhanced piloting ability

>>14612325
>>14612475

zekeposters go away

>>14611746
>>14611751
They say it in the anime that the prosthetics that they use are not very good and that better ones exist.

>>14613840
Jesus fuck.

>>14611824
>It does have Io kicking ass in a GM Kai though.

Only thing that matter.
Plus Front missiion :rape style and rape life gonna leak in next volume.

>>14613840

The funniest part of that page is that the soldier taking a blowjob has no pants, not even around his ankles. Meaning he took his pants off, but put his boots back on after, because he might be a rapist, but he's not a savage. Or he doesn't want to hurt his feet and he's a bit of a pussy about pain.

>>14614545
It's one of those instant take off pants where you just pull them upwards and they slip on the sides. Every soldier written by this author has them for easy raping.

Why the fuck does the Atlas Gundam have a full 360 degree cockpit? Doesn't it take until the Titans test team to invent that?

>>14614578
Dendrobium from 0083 had 360 degree panoramic view cockpit.

>>14614578
Honestly thats the least retarded thing about the Atlas Gundm, its literally a mech from a different series with some skin-deep gundam details tacked on

>>14614520
The only chapter of the Front Mission manga I liked was the cyborg Zenith pilot after that you might as well quit reading unless you want senseless gore for the sake of gore.

>>14611827
It's by the Front Mission manga guy so it's to be expected.

>>14612973
>I like how the HGs have RG level detail without actually being such
So are they RHG's now?

>>14613859
>doesn't go all the way to diapers
Fucking dropped.

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>>14613859
>>14614989
>that one mother-daughter mental regression CG set
Still not sure if I liked it. I think I did.

>>14614654
It's the strongest Ball.

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>>14611694

It's not explained, but the reason is obvious, the thing requires full amputation because the plot requires it for the emotional impact it wishes to produce in the audience

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>>14615188
>amputee girls piloting mecha suits
Thank you X-Com, I had no idea I would like it so much.

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>>14615221
Its only acceptable if they are consenting adults that volunteer for the role

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Who would have won.

0079 Amuro in Thunderbolt's FAG

or

0079 Char in a Perfect Zeong?

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>>14615242
I need my cruel military experiments on lolis or better yet a random tragedy that leads into happiness once she gets into a mecha.

>>14615243
The perfect zeong is shit, its just the regular zeong with big legs and a non-heat sword.

The ThunderFag on the other hand is ridiculous bullshit that the guy writing the manga didn't even try to keep in tone with the rest of OYW UC Gundam.
It has as much firepower as two or three different sidestory gundams combined with none of the drawbacks of the actual Full Armor Type Gundam.

>>14613494
For reference Daryll and the other guys have no problem somehow getting to South East Asia after Zeon lost the war. So it's really implying the Federation barely has any control over space. Which is also weird as at one point a Zeon squadron of ships is in orbit and is almost immediately hounded by Federation ships.

>>14614654
It being a NotStrike Gundam is one of them.

>>14613897
Go back to White Base.

>>14613614
a glorified battering ram with lasers.
you say as if it was a bad thing.

>>14611742
UC has more of a retro-future vibe. Especially around the OYW

>>14615044

Tell me more

>>14615256
Thunderbolt's FAG isn't really that ridiculous technology wise. It's kind of improvised like the "Full Armor" Unicorn in that they just strapped a bunch of weapons, shields, and boosters to offset the additional weight. It's mean for space use only so it doesn't really have to worry about being aerodynamic in atmosphere. Think of it as a ghetto G-Armor

The look of the mobile suits and tech is based on NASA EVA equipment with the grey/white cloth covers and manipulator arms

Is the manga really as shit as you guys are saying? I just watched the ONA and loved it but these later plot points sound really fucking dumb.

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>>14617768
Yes.

>>14617768
It's kinda dumb, but not as dumb as some people make it out to be. It works, but it's not as tight as the first part. Io's shenanigans are pretty great and now he has a qt gf that he plays jazz with

>>14617776
The main story is dumb, but that side story with the Gouf and the vultures was good.

>>14615243
Amuro is a far better pilot then Io, not to mention the Newtype precog he has by the end of OYW.

Amuro wins despite an inferior suit

>>14617770
>japan controlled by zeon
makes sense with the amount of zeon wank thats come out the past few years

>>14617546
https://exhentai.org/g/933760/48142ce62a/

>>14618275
>Panda

>>14620042
>current year
>can't get past the panda
Throw out your current computer because obviously one of the many easy methods of accessing Sadpanda doesn't work on it.

>>14618275
This is 2d4me
How did someone even think to come up with something like this?

>>14612482
>IBO isn't the worst thing in the franchise.
Seed had better production values,I mean look at the freedom vs impulse battle.
It's miles better than anything we got in IBO story and animation wise

>>14620085

Are you fucking kidding me. Use a better example if you want to cite production values. Seed and Seed Destiny had one of the worst misused production budgets ever due to hiring of expensive singers and voice actors and late scripts that forced animators to keep continually re-using stock footage to make the deadline on time. IBO has essentially new animation sequences for all fights. Even the fucking mace puncturing the cockpit sequence is redrawn from a different angle every time in IBO.

The freedom vs impulse battle was mostly stock footage of Impulse from prior fights with Freedom taking the place of a windam or one of those EA druggies that stole a Gundam. The only unique aspect to that fight was when the Impulse separated its chest block mid air when Freedom attempted to slash and again when impulse impaled the Freedom with the anti-ship sword.

Of course, that same animation sequence of Impulse impaling the Freedom would be used AGAIN when Shin in the Destiny Gundam stabbed the Gouf Ignited that Athrun was fleeing in a later episode.

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>>14617906
The idea of any foreign army forcefully occupying Japan triggers Japs on both the left and right, so your presumption is suspect.

>>14620085
I only watched like 7 episodes of IBO. Does it faceplant worse than AGE then?

>>14611824
>Scientist girl who's name I can never remember is also mentally traumatized, mentally regressed into a child-like state and thinks Daryl is her daddy.
C-Casca?

>>14621305
No, Karla.

>>14620085
>look at the freedom vs impulse battle
Wow good job literally the ONLY battle in both SEED and Destiny that is animated. Everything else is 99% off model or recycled animation. Or recycled animation with off models. Or just a fucking slideshow like Aegis vs Strike. Fuck SEED.

>>14620259
It's generally accepted that IBO falls off a cliff the moment they launch into space (which is pretty much where you left off) and then recovers when they reach Earth. How much it recovered is debatable, but it was still a noticeable step up.

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>>14620135
>The only unique aspect to that fight was when the Impulse separated its chest block mid air
That was actually yet another reused animation. Remember in SEED when Freedom was fighting against Duel that was flying on that stupid hover thing, same animation. Freedom flies back then comes back to slash it. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXA91MC34TM around 4:49. It's slightly different in the remastered version but otherwise it's the one they reused.

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>>14620085
It always cracks me up when SEEDfags try to throw some other series under the bus.

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>>14612948
Miller is the only good thing about MGSV.

>>14620067
It was actually pretty tame.

>>14621976
No the only good thing was FOBs for the first month before they added all the stupid bull shit people with tons of MB coins only could afford and would completely shit stomp invaders.

Shit FOBs were fun before they were fucked. Taking peoples shit was fun as hell.

>>14612482
IBO is honestly in my top 5.
Narratively speaking, its perfect in how it handles it, the characters are better than most of UC's (and by extent, better than every single fucking character in seed) and the MC's motives are clear.

>>14622005
Someone give this guy a cookie

>>14622005
IBO is in my bottom 5
I felt the characters had good premises but were executed in an increadibly boring fashion that didn't go anywhere. Too often we're told their feelings in monlogue. I genuinely prefer Tominos dialogue because it feels like two people talking, even if they're both autistic. Someone like Amuro to me is more interesting than Mikazuki because Amuro changes and reacts to his circumstances, even if this is sometimes annoying like when he runs off.

Man why is this show so polarising? You either love it or fucking hate it.

>>14611694

It's pretty simple.

See, a real Psycommu interface would basically allow you to control the Mobile Suit with your brainwaves. But this is the OYW, and they're kludging together something conventional people can use. Like, it's questionable whether anyone involved is a Newtype, so they're just making the crudest, most patched-together solution they can think of.

And the most straightforward way for it to work would be to make the human body control the Suit's arms and legs directly. This is basically a rush-job that was meant for more sophisticated systems...And it worked.

If Zeon had, like, another year or so, chopping off Daryl's limbs wouldn't have been necessary.

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>>14622076
Because gundam fans fall into 2 categories.
Either you prefer the political heavy gundams or you prefer the action heavy gundams. This isnt to say you cant like both, but one always has an edge on the other.

IBO is very unique in the gundam world where their actions all have political consequences, but nothing really they ever partake in. Their mercs, and the entire story, is told as such, even the political part. Yes, theres some heavy politics going on in the background, but we're treated to it just like we are part of the mercs themselves (which is a great way to frame this shit and hence the unique part) and its background noise. Yes, its happening. Yes, we are helping it. But we cant tell you a single fucking thing about it because we're too busy making sure you dont die.

Their motivation is to make their company strong, which will bring them money, which will bring stability, which is all people (double so for kids) want. Thats why orga likes Naze, as hes genuinely the first person to ever actually care about them as people and understand his bond of family to them. And they play these parts perfectly.

So as for why its so polarizing, its because its one of the first gundams to really just semi ignore the politics. Even G couldnt do that because domon couldnt do half of what he wanted because gundam fight regulations rules, his father being held prisoner, etc. He tried to ignore the politics while being in the middle of (and participating in) an annual political event. And when you can say G gundam has more politics than a new gundam show, its hard to swallow for some people, despite IBO having more indepth political fallout than G.

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>>14622114
I don't even know where to begin with your bullshit, much less understand what you're trying to fucking say. If you're saying that the insulting shallowness of the "heavy politics" is because the show puts the viewer in the position of one of Tekkadan's mercenaries; that is straight up false. When I watch IBO i don't feel like a mercenary, I feel like a dumbass who got tricked into watching some rich aryan whore complain about how privileged she is. So praising IBO for vague shallowness regarding the "politics" of the show thinking it's an intentional tactic to immerse the viewer is delusional. Comparing the poorly-thought-out political storyline of IBO with the lack of such a political story in G Gundam (No, the Gundam Fight having rules doesn't count you dumbass) and saying IBO has less of a focus on politics is false as well. IBO has politics, but they are barebones and just boil down to a series of betrayals in order to get Tekkadan into as many fights as possible. Not to mention, like most aspects of the show, most notably the action; they are swept aside in favor of "heartwarming" moments between princess kudelia and the rest of the crew. Which leaves everyone unhappy.
tl;dr: people dont dislike IBO because they "prefer political heavy gundams," they dislike it because it is a poorly written show with many problems beyond the lackluster role politics play in the story

>>14622592
This. Why do people even defend IBO? It's pure fucking garbage.

>>14613431
I've been reading the beginning of FM: Dog life and frankly it's not bad so far. Like yes there are moments when in typical Japanese fashion they almost fetishize graphic death (see: all violent seinen comics) but the way they treat the escalation into hostility and the way they depict the effects of war on the populace, the main characters etc. are surprisingly accurate.

The word "edgy" has lost it's meaning with the members on this board. Edgy is a dude in a trenchcoat teleporting behind you with his katana. Edgy is Deathscythe Gundam.

A series that looks at war as an inglorious, shitty, morally ambiguous mess, is not "edgy." It's just trying to achieve some semblance realness and gravity instead of pandering to people that need an imaginary girlfriend in every series. I haven't read the manga but IMO Thunderbolt is one of the best Gundams to happen, basically ever, because it wasn't made to be sold to 14 year olds on a TV network.

>>14625979
This! It really brings the "War is hell" to life. I happen to like War comics so thats fine by me.

I don´t think they fetishize violence so much in this but thats just my opinion.

oh and "edgy" has lost all meaning around the internet as a whole

>>14625979
i feel the simplest way to explain it is: do you like your Gundam leaning more towards /k/ or towards /a/?

doggy life doggy style is /k/ as fuck. it focuses on a war reporter, then briefly on a mech pilot, then on an infantry squad for example. you can't sell shit about an infantry squad fighting mechs to kids. they can't appreciate the gravity of what the fuck is going on there, or how unexplored it generally is in a franchise like that. if i saw something like that when i first started getting into this stuff as a teenager, i'd be repulsed; who cares about infantry in a mech world? why can't i have a show about 5 sick mechs with sick melee weapons having sick beam saber fights?

nowadays as a grown ass man, i find shit like that fascinating.