Why are politics in most /m/ shows so simplistic? Why do the

>>14602916
Because when you make shows that show just how complex the world is with multiple conflicting factions and different ideologies, like G-Reco, you get a bunch of dumb shits like the fucks on /m/ whining about how hard it is to understand because they aren't being spoonfed everything.

>>14602916
Its an old scifi thing to have big supersized federations.
now that the world is being even more balkanized than ever before, its a bit dumb.

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Because 1984 world made sense
Oceana= Brit Empire + Monroe Doctrine Zone
Eurasia= Soviets Conquered everything
Eastasia= Asians all together

>>14602916
>Why are politics in most /m/ shows so simplistic?
Depends on the show but many of them aren't really about the politics, so it's not really that important.
We do group countries depending on culture on ideology IRL, like we say "the West", "spanish-speaking countries", "third world" and so on, and most times just something like that is what the show needs and not more.

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>>14602924

To be fair though, I'd much rather the simple superbloc future than the autistic balkanization future

>>14602935
Supernations are more autistic than micronations.

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>>14602916
To show that X faction and Y faction are big and important, they need to be giant blobs on the world map. Plus, making lots and lots of small factions is really hard work.

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>>14602931
It really doesn't hurt we went through this within living memory.

If you think about it, you really only need one nation per viewpoint of the conflict.

Yes, more nations might seem more realistic, but from a story telling standpoint, if they don't do anything or just add useless information, there is really no need for them. It might be good for side material, but not general audiences.

>>14602924
>now that the world is being even more balkanized than ever before, its a bit dumb.
Are you fucking joking? Are you living under a rock?

>Murrica and their puppet countries
>Russia and their puppet countries
They just want to make it more simple.

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>>14602916
>That Kazakhstan border
Every time

>>14602921
This right here

Heritage of Cold War politics and Sci-fi

>Animes that imply the UN would lead a united world against whatever alien menace appeared

>>14602955
Are you?
Collapse of colonialism in Africa and the breakdown of the Soviet Union has definitely made more nations than the early to mid twentieth century, when most of these dumb global superfederation memes were created

correct me if I'm wrong but didn't heavy object show an ultra balkanised world?

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>>14602954
Since when you have to put every sides in the main story?

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>>14603138
The American Empire is growing. The EU was the only obstacle to the American hegemony over the westernized world, and post brexit it is failing. The point is even without directly annexing countries, super alliances are getting bigger not smaller.

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>>14603189

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strangereal best map

>>14602916
Why does this remind me of a more half assed version of what they did with the three power blocs in 00 season 1?

>>14602916
Probably because large alliances and kind-of-sort-of super states like the EU are seen as an endgame for the world. To the viewer it drives home the fact that it's in the future.

>>14602954
It's really good if you want a sequel and more bad guys that aren't Neo Neo Neo Zeon. Always nice to have around, and if you don't get a sequel you can always sell side material off of it.

>>14603138
>Collapse of colonialism in Africa
This is literally irrelevant to the topic, you moron. Colonialism =/= unified regional political powerblocs based on economic ties

>the breakdown of the Soviet Union
And it's been replaced by looser economic ties already.
The idea of a more united North America is being floated among their respective heads of state. We'll be seeing much, much more unity among the North American continent and in several decades a larger North American political body akin to the EU right now being formed.
And Brexit aside, which in all likeliness won't matter a single bit, the EU right now is actively working towards, as is one of its goals, increasing the political unions between the EU and its member states, and strengthening the power of the EU as an institution itself. It's a fact.

You cannot deny, and if you do you must be utterly geopolitically illiterate, that we ARE seeing the emergence of global "superfederation" entities. I suspect you might be an American /pol/tard, too, judging by your ignorance of world affairs.
Your cold war meme shit with the Soviet Union was by and large just Communism vs Capitalism, and nothing like we're seeing today with the way globalism has progressed. Instead of pitting ideologies together, and just allying to beat someone else, the superfederations we're seeing now is inevitable because of globalism, as on the world stage it's much, much more convenient economically to be part of a large economic union.

I hope you die in your sleep.

because you don't need five hundred different nations in an anime that isn't about politics.

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>>14602916
Dumb question reporting in, but is there still national governments in UC Gundam, or is it just the Feddies that run Earth?

>>14603509
Feddies run everything. The dawn of the UC calendar included the entire world becoming one nation under one government.

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>>14602916
The IBO map is such geographic fuckery.

Like, okay, the 00 division wasn't perfect, but at least it made some geographic sense. The Middle East and Africa were no mans lands, the Americas were one country (albeit with South America being somewhat upset with their subservient position), and there East-Asian super-state is bordered by the Urals, the Indus River, and the Tarim basin.

I'm almost convinced that Arbrau and the EurAfrican Union were set up to fail given their political boundaries, but shit, why not just make them all impotent and weak? Like what Russia did to the Stans.

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>implying we aren't heading toward one world government

>>14603567
Is it wrong that I expected Alex Jones to be, well, more fat? He's got the dad-bod going on, but it looks like he works out.

>>14602916
It all comes down to storytelling perspectives
If you strongly focus on one group of characters from the same nation, the conflicts are going to be mostly interpersonal or interfaction, and this is where most shows sit because it's much easier to have the characters get meaningfully emotional and pile on drama.

Two groups of characters, each belonging to a different nation can go either way.

Three or more different groups of characters representing multiple nations and/or multiple factions from the same nation pretty much always means you've reached Dougram and FSS tier. The conflicts here will almost always revolve around the strategies and situations of particular wars or battles and perhaps focus on one or two key characters while giving little development to anyone else.

>>14602916
Look at how few people even visit the Johnny Ridden threads, and there's your answer. Despite all the Tomino cockriding fun just to piss off AZ/IBOfags, people actually can't be bothered to be interested in politics when they signed on for giant robots shooting lasers at each other, no matter how much effort is put into the writing.

It also doesn't help that the original Gundam and following classics never had any good politics to begin with and make something as spoon fed as LOGH into something most of /m/ and /a/ put on a pedestal for it's 'intellectual' properties. Ark Performance is basically a god for making shit turn into usable fertilizer when everyone else just adds some mayonnaise or fresh cream on it and call it a day.

IBO 'tries' sure, but that's like saying a pregnant woman 'tried' to save her kid in a flaming house even after getting out safely only to rush back in instead of waiting for the firefighters to do their job. You can see there's intent, but that's all the merit it has going for it, intent.

Which mind you is still more than most Gundam, but that doesn't mean much.

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>>14603572
It's the Super Male Vitality™

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>>14603572
You should look at the guy's pics from back in the day

Looks like a knock-off Chris Evans, which is pretty good.

>>14603314
In reference to balkanization, that's also one of the scary things about ISIS, so I hear. People are beginning to call it a "pseudo-state," as even as it's losing territory, it's recruiting from a variety of different ethnic groups and acting as a sort of ideological conglomeration rather than just another religious hate group or localized ethnic terrorist organization.

>>14602935
>3rd kalmar union
muh dick

>>14602916
Because before Trump came around it seemed inevitable we'd be heading towards more EU-style nations/empires.

You have the Union State, which aims to unite the Russian Federation, Belarus, Ukraine, the -stans of Central Asia, and Mongolia into a big post-Soviet Empire to rival the EU and China.

You have various Southeast Asian movements to try and unite against the economic and diplomatic power of China, even among long-time rivals like Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines.

You have the Organization of American States and NAFTA, as well as passportless, borderless travel initiatives just agreed to by Obama, Trudeau, and the Mexican president.

So in the far future of Gundam it makes sense to have huge national alliances.

>>14602921
G-reco was not that complex, it was just poorly directed, that's all.

>>14603567
>Implying that's an inherently bad thing.

>>14603649
This. There were a lot of factions in G-reco but most of them were mentioned only once and never played a direct role in the story.

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>>14603314
>comparing economic ties to shared ideological/cultural borders

I wish you were aborted. If you weren't so illiterate about world affairs then you would realize that the idea of "superfederations" (the fact that you have to resort to using made up terms really doesn't help your argument fyi) died with the 90s and there is a massive resurgence in nationalism across the world. Balkanization is the future, time to face reality. Only a yurotard would be this delusional and be stupid enough to believe that superstates like the EU are the future. You are as moronic as this guy >>14603189

>>14603575
>and make something as spoon fed as LOGH

Compared to shit like house of cards LoGH is nothing.

>>14602916
>Hell, I'll give IBO credit for taking a chance and having a mind-blowing 4 nations on earth! I'm surprised they trusted us stupid viewers to keep track of them all!
IBO trusted its viewers? The show that repeated every concept two or three times to make sure even 5 year olds could follow it trusted its viewers? Quite the contrary, I swear they must've dumbed down whatever concepts they had after the complaints about G-Reco being hard to follow.

>>14602916
>Why do the Japs believe that the future will have at most two nation-states (the good guys nation and the bad guys nation) that fight each other?
This is the most advanced level of political rhetoric that like 90% of people are capable of understanding.

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>>14603105

Supernations are the future. Balkanization (As seen in the Balkans) isn't a natural process, it's something forced upon a region by outside powers.

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Lots of dipshits in this thread

>>14603509
>>14603547
The national governments still exist, but they're all ruled over by a united Federal government.

In The Origin, for example, there's a throwaway line about upcoming US presidential elections.

>>14604006
The Mayor of LA, Icelina's father, ran for the seat of President before Zeon fucked it all up.

National leaders in UC are more like representatives in the Federation Parliament which works more like the American Congress rather than a traditional Parliamentary systems.

>>14604006

So basically instead of the current system many democracies use where elections go "local > state > national" it adds one more level of hierarchy and goes "local > state > national > international"?

Personally I want to see another Refugee Crisis (think "Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex") happen, except with Mechs.

>>14604071
That's how most empires worked in history, the central government only really exerted power in questions of integration thru taxes or infrastructure, military, foreign trade and things like it...

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>>14602916
Do you even "rice" bruh?

>>14602916
There are a few that delve into more complex politics, but the trade-off is that you have to use a more simple approach like a local conflict or battle... but since most anime tries to raise the stakes to be "epic" they have to simplify the world

>>14602921
G-Reco has done something that has never been done before on anime. It has taken a look at a conflict between different groups of people, and done so in a manner that brings about understanding, and feelings of compassion for all the characters involved. Rather than moralizing, and encouraging the viewers to root for one side over the other, G-Reco encourages the viewer to take the wider view, and be disturbed by the tragedy of all the characters being involved in the conflict in the first place.


It frustrates the viewer without providing easy answers; at the same time, it is realistic and honest because of its attention to the harsh truths of the world. In real life, not everything works out perfectly. G-Reco recognizes this grim fact and turns it into a riveting, artistic, heartbreaking examination of conflict, war and human relationships.

It's sophisticated television that assumes there is an intelligent audience for well-written, off-center, ambitious entertainment. Tomino has created a contemporary masterpiece. The breadth and ambition of G-Reco are unrivaled. It's an astonishing display of writing, acting and storytelling that must be considered alongside the best literature and filmmaking in the modern era.

>>14602916
You can't animate 10 different factions. That costs too much money.

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>>14604536

>>14603698

There were only 4 important factions in G-Reco: Capital Territory, Ameria, Towsanga & Venus. There were one or two others mentioned in passing, like whatever name they had for the European and African blocs. I'd hardly call that a lot.

>>14604577
4 is already a lot, /m/ can't handle things with more than two factions.

>>14604596

> No-one ever complains about Zeta having too many factions or being confusing for having four major factions (EFSF, Titans, AEUG, Neo-Zeon)
> Or 00, which also had four in the first season: Celestial Being, Union, AEU, HRL
> It even had one faction fighting against itself with no apparent confusion on the part of the viewers in the first season
> SEED had at least four major forces in both shows: Earth Federation, Blue Cosmos, ZAFT and Orb
> Wing had mutliple factions, often being borne out of each other: The United Earth Sphere Alliance, The Romefellor Foundation, The Trieze Faction, White Fang - no-one ever complains about how it's confusing
> Multiple Gundam shows have had 3 major factions and no-one ever calls them confusing
> Victory (League Militaire, Zanscare, EFSF), X (Vultures, New United Nations, Space Revolutionary Army), Turn-A (Ameria, Dianna Counter, Ghingham faction) etc

> /m/ just can't handle more than two factions

Yea, evidence says otherwise and that G-Reco is confusing to them not because it has multiple factions but because of how they're presented.

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>>14602955

Heavy Object has the best politics.

Imagine the Cold War, the ideological division between East and West.

Now imagine that instead of the separation being a nice line running down Europe, representing the extent of the Soviet Union's sphere of influence, imagine if there were communist and capitalist countries just spread all over Europe with no rhyme or reason like a patchwork. And all the communist countries are allied with one another to form a power bloc and all the capitalist countries are allied with one another to form a power bloc.

Now imagine that instead of a communist faction and a capitalist faction, there is a faction of monarchist countries allied purely because they all support a powerful monarchy system of government, a faction of theocratic countries who are all allied purely because they're all theocracies in spite of them being of different faiths, a faction of countries run by the NSA and the KGB, and a faction of capitalist countries that are literally run by mega corporations and instead of state armies they have nothing but PMCs.

And now imagine that instead of being confined to Europe, that this was spread all over the world, with countries of different factions all next to each other like a multicolored mosaic or patchwork. And the status quo is maintained somehow, because of giant mecha or whatever.

And there you pretty much have it.

>>14604577
>>14604657
Yeah, 4 factions:
- Ameria.
- Capital Tower, divided into Capital Guard and Capital Army.
- Towasanga, again, divided into the Rayhunton faction and the Reconguista fleet.
- Venus, with the skellies on one side and the JIT lab on the other.
- The Megafauna.

G-Reco is a little more complex than you think.

>>14605209
>Towasanga, again, divided into the Rayhunton faction and the Reconguista fleet.
You forgot the local government of Towasanga who aren't affiliated with the Dorrete fleets (Reconguista fleet)

>>14605209

Capital Guard and Capital Army are two divisions of the one faction, two separate arms of the same being. The Rayhunton Faction is basically just two or three people, and only Raraiya plays any significant part in the show, and the Megafauna is Amerian. Even at the end of the show Aida's father is able to command it, and wants Aida herself to lead it. I didn't list it as a separate faction for the same reason I didn't list the Three Ships Alliance as a seperate faction from Orb - the split is technically there, but means little in actuality. I could also list the Karaba, Wing boys, Oz, Krugis, Katharon, Bojarnon and other smaller factions in most Gundam shows, but those factions are either tiny or play little part in the shows themselves, same as the Rayhunton faction or Capital Army.

>>14605185
LNfag pls stop shilling your garbage and get back to /a/.

>>14605154
>FEZZAN
Well this can only end well.

>>14605263
>Capital Guard and Capital Army are two divisions of the one faction, two separate arms of the same being.
That's like saying there's no difference between Titans and Londo Bell.
And despite being from Ameria, the Megafauna was mostly taking independent action from Amerian forces with Aida leading them all, and at the end of the show they let Raraiya to sink the Amerian ships that tried to invade the Capital teritory.
Also most of the factions that you list are boiled down to earthnoid vs spacenoid with hero in one side or againts them all.

>>14605429

> no difference between Titans and Londo Bell

Besides acting less aggressively and being a smaller entity, there's not that much difference between the two. Which is Char's problem with Londo Bell as an idea.

> Megafauna was mostly taking independent action from Amerian forces

A lot of which was condoned by Ameria, hence why Klim was a part of the ship's personnel for the first half of the show. They only really become independent of Ameria in the finale when Ameria wants them to help it instead of finishing the fighting.

> most of the factions that you list are boiled down to earthnoid v spacenoid with hero in one side or against them all

That's almost every faction in Gundam full stop. Including the ones in G-Reco. I've no idea why you felt the need to point that out.

>>14605209
G-Reco comes off more complicated then it should because of poor exposition at times and I say that as someone who enjoyed it. When Venus Globe got involved I had to backtrack four or five episodes to refresh myself on what was going on with that little sub-plot.

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>>14602916
Most futurist stuff have that.
Like Battlefield 2142, 1984, Firefly and Star Trek.
Really, have you ever read/seen scifi before?

Looking at human history to the present for the most part the world has been developing into super-nations and federations. While sometimes balkanization occurs and empires fall, for the most part countries today are much larger than they have ever been, mainly due to technological advancements in logistics. Many people have predicted the EU will eventually act like a single nation, and once the US's power waynes its likely China and Russia will gobble up what they perceive to be their respective spheres.

Story-wise its easier to have good guys and bad guys, most anime is for children after all.

>>14603189
The EU had no interest in challenging the US in anyway.

If you want worldbuilding. Go back to western shows.

Japanese shows are all about personal or small group narrative (Be it good or bad). Rarely they ever do a huge world story contained into one story and not separates into Gaidens.

>>14603189
Russia is actually more of a threat. The EU is a logical complement to American hegemony since it lacks military with force projection capabilities to challenge America. The Russian Federation and its predecessors the USSR was a land power that kept America awake at night.

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>>14602916
Moreso than sci-fi authors thinking it's the inevitable future, it makes their jobs easier. And even if you say there are like 3-5 supernation blocs, that ignores all the internal politics that side material can cover if you want.

In the Gundam fanfiction setting I'm writing, certain blocs are more unified than others. The Pan-African Union, for example, is like the current European Union and eventually breaks up along economic, tribal, and cultural fault lines when the Earth is invaded by the spacenoids. And even the Alliance falls apart as a result of the spacenoids invasion and mobile suits becoming mass-produced just a few years after Space War I. But you're never going to see that in an anime unless it gets multiple 50-episode series.

Gundam politics get pretty complex around the time ZZ happens? You have the Federation, a government that wants to unite the Earth and the colonies, who has two splinter groups the Titans, who want there to be Earth supremacy while still holding dominion over the colonies, and the AEUG, who resist the Titans from within the Federation with help from Karaba, who are based on Earth and run by vetrans from the One Year War. Both are funded by Anaheim Electronics, a corporation that is later relieved to also fund the second (third???) iteration of Neo-Zeon. The first iteration being a movement by a woman who gained a following by trying to keep the Zabi lineage alive by protecting the heir of Dozle Zabi, but in reality was just a double. She was taken down by a Glemy Toto who started a civil war between Neo-Zeon. Also, you have the Blue Team a group of African nationalists who wish to rid Africa of Neo-Zeon and the Federation (that is until they become split after Neo-Zeon begins to fund some of them to combat the Federation in Africa.) It gets about as confusing and convoluted as real life near the end of the Early U.C.

>>14606409
It's not that complex.

>>14603575
>IBO 'tries'
That's laughable, even Chaos Dragon tried more with its politics.

>>14606351
Now imagine roughly 200 countries all using mostly the same mobile suits produced by like 4 or 5 countries.

>>14603717
Are you saying house of cards is better or worse?

>>14607313
House of Cards is worse. It's not even in the same ballpark.

LoGH explores the flow of history, how those within it can't really ever know where their actions will end up making a difference and how outside of our small world minor disagreements that we fight wars over just don't matter. It's an epic tale that also goes out of its way to show just how, in context, it's not that epic. It's just one of many wars that mankind has fought again and again through the ages.

House of Cards is just political nonsense and attacks on thinly-veiled caricatures of existing politicians.

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>>14602935
Why the fuck 20 is called Provença and not Catalonia? Provença is north of the Pyrenees, not south.

Because of the Ameican influence after WW2. America has been going all in on a One World Government so that thing rubbed off on the Japs.

>>14603983
This is dumb. All empire have been forged by force, the EU being the singular case where nations banded together voluntarily in the entire history of humanity.

>>14607607

All empire's might have, but not all groups of nations or states are empires and not all of them were founded by force bar the EU. Even going back in to history some of the Greek alliances like the Achaean League and the Delian League were formed for mutual benefit and by agreement rather than force. The mutual benefit was in many cases to band up together against a common enemy, but it was still formed by agreement, not force, and in some cases had economic benefits that ensured the alliance lasted after the enemy was fought. Even America had the Confederacy, which though short lived (only 4 years or something), was several states banding together by choice for a common purpose.

>>14602951
That map is wrong. Chile never had a problem with Communist guerillas. There were some troublemakers, but never at the level of the Montoneros, Shining Path, EZLN or the FARC.

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>>14606351
Here is my take on a Cosmic Era rethreading. It extrapolates current history with more small states than huge empires. Colors represent continental unions, which tend to be strong supra-states containing weakened national governments (with the exception of South America, which has strong national governments united in a weak bloc of nations).

The red part in Asia is an Exclusion Zone, after a viral outbreak killed everyone in Japan, Korea, plus parts of China and Russia.

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>>14607954
The state of the world in CE 71. Yellow is neutral.

Orb is Okinawa and the Ryukyu chain: what's left of Japan

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>>14602916

Ace Combat is /m/ right?

Because the world of Ace Combat, Strangereal, is complex as fuck.

The politics, eh, not so much, but the world is pretty well done.

>>14607954
I think culture-wise your national groupings are going to have problems unless the superstates are dictatorships. Those North African areas are full of tribes and religions that hate each other.

China having an exclave is weird; Russia would invade in a second.

Why is the Middle East merged with Central Asia? Historically they've been rivals and enemies, and Central Asia is much friendlier to Russia.

Denmark is independent and in a union with Norway and Sweden?

>>14602916
>Australia and New Zealand choose to align with the Asia-Pacific region instead of the distant Anglosphere
This is surprisingly plausible.

>>14610887
>This is surprisingly plausible.

Depends on how much further the "Muh Aboriginals" movements goes on in our time line.

If you asked today, I'd say Australia picks Anglosphere for sure and New Zealand is forced along by that.

Muv Luv had some pretty good geopolitics but that's only because it takes place in present time and a shit ton of hours infodumping

>>14611134
>pretty good geopolitics

Eh, I'd say it's above average, but it still falls into the traps that most Japanese works do:

>Japs are perfect, even the ones who rebel against the government are only doing what they think is right.
>Americans are scheming cowards, and the few brave souls they have are nothing more than sacrifices to be slaughtered for the furtherment of shadowy goals that in the end will benefit no one

>>14611155
Then everyone else randomly is backstabbing each other because GRIM DARK!!!

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>>14609575

>Islamic Europan Union

Why, Japan?

>>14603240
>Islamic European Union
IT HAS BEEN FORETOLD

>>14603240
Isn't that from a fanfic RP forum for Ace Combat?

>>14604536
Is this copypasta? i feel like this is copypasta

>>14605154
>Shiitestan
i am for this

>>14602916
>Why do the Japs believe that the future will have at most two nation-states (the good guys nation and the bad guys nation) that fight each other?

In reality, It's because that's the end game of globalization and any sort of alliance building.
Just look at how the First World War broke out because of a chain of alliances being invoked over a scuffle in the Balkans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj2v7-0tAC0


In terms of writing, from an anime show perspective, doing an examination of various local geopolitics as a part of the larger picture would become to complicated for the average viewer to keep track of if you just watch the show once a week. Simplicity is always going to be the best course of action. The only time you add in a third faction is to move the plot along or to create a sub plot about a group of people who live under the governance of one of the two powers and are rebelling against them. (Where they then aid the other side as they are traveling in enemy territory.)


In practicality terms. These are shows where people want to watch robots fight, they just need to create two groups and a reason for them to fight each other to create merchandise. So if you're looking for in depth political intrigue featuring multiple parties where mecha is the star of the show. AND not falling into what you don't like about how the Japs portray countries. You're probably not going to find it OP.

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>>14613230
I'd have to look up where the type of governments are listed, but the world and nations themselves are from the games.

https://bandainamcoent.co.jp/cs/list/acecombat-x/background/


>>14613215
Allah that Ackbar Anon. When's Ulysses 1994XF04 going to come knocking?
Does this make Pixie wrong about wanting to have a world without borders based on current events, since it would just lead to one group trying to create a hegemony under an ideological banner and being able to invade and undermine from within nations as opposed to waging war?

>>14602955
>Are you fucking joking? Are you living under a rock?

m8, what the fuck are you going on about? Just five years ago Sudan split into two. Eight years ago Russia set up a puppet regime in Georgia. And two years ago they propped up another separatist regime in Crimea. So in the space of less than two decades three new countries (of varying legitimacy) now exist.

>>14613265
Military alliances don't make the members part of a nation state.

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>>14613230

>>14613284
I think what Pixie wants isnt literally a world without borders, but a world in which people accept people different from themselves as equal and in which people can set aside their differences for the good of themselves and others. The borderlessness was just the first step in his plan. He is still wrong though. That will never happen

>>14613779
>And two years ago they propped up another separatist regime in Crimea.
Huh? They just annexed Crimea.

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The size of "nations" has continually increased over history while their total numbers have decreased.

I use the word nations here very loosely, for I consider, say, the creation of the providence of Gaul out of the many tribal lands of celts to be the creation of a single "nation" out of many "nations"

Going by this, it only makes sense that the future will have larger and fewer nations that we have now.

Balkanization on a global scale only makes sense in alt-history works.

>>14603575
>Ark Performance is basically a god
>Brings up "Tomino cockriding"
I know this reply's late and all, but I don't get all the high-end praise for this group. I've read a few of their works and at best they're pretty decent, but not to the level of seeing what makes them better than most other Gundam entries, manga or anime-wise.

>>14613230
Some of the names probably but that is the shape of it's world and continents.

>>14613215
Unlikely. Nobody in Europe actually likes muslims or their pathetic backwards religion. Besides Muslims actually hate each other too much to ever become a powerful force.

Muslims are cockroaches: annoying and difficult to kill but ultimately powerless.

>>14615610
Exactly they only have the illusion of power from fear-mongering.

>>14615610
Explain why this mass importation of mussies is happening if no one likes them.

>>14613779
>And two years ago they propped up another separatist regime in Crimea
And then they promptly annexed it, Russia props up puppet governments that will be supportive of it's interests.

>>14615731
because the Pope says so and you're doing it for Jeebus and salvation shit?

>>14615873
Pope has done a 180 since the muslims killed that popular priest was killed in France.

This entire thread is NOT EVEN JUSTICE.

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Big power blocs just make sense

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>>14616162

But power blocs are composed of components

Remember the HRE

>>14603983
So what about the current wave of isolationism and anti-globalism that is sweeping the western world?

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>>14617553

Little more than the last gasps of a dying generation who realizes they've lost control of the demographic make-up of their countries.

Good night, West.

>>14617553
People are waking up to the fact that when trade isn't equal, free trade only benefits the partner that can cut costs better.

>>14616162
>No Wewuz Empire, Kang Sultinate or Shied peoples listed
>No Finnic presence in Greece/northern Anatolia

Where did you get this shit map of the Hyperwar era?

>>14603983
Supernations aren't the future, they only existed to provide security to otherwise weak people and a source of trade. Now that free trade is a given and nobody is interested in colonialism anymore there is zero benefit to being a part of a super nation. Small micro nations measuring no more than a few 100 square kms are the future.

So how long before Gundam-Brexit edition?

>>14618382
Isnt that basically what Judau did? Said fuck all this union bullshit i'm going to jupiter

>>14604657
00 actually had a lot when you count sub-factions:

>Celestial Being vs everyone
>Celestial being made up of Observers, Recorders, Gundam Meisters, and Gundam Thrones
>Union plus Anti-Gundam Investigation Team (Graham, Billy, Homer, Elfman, Joshua, Daryl, Howard)
>AEU
>HRL
>Alejandro Conner + Ribbons
>UN

>>14617659
Look man, we can't really KNOW. All documentation was lost and our autism only lets us tap into fragments of the real truth

>>14617522
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
laughingvoltaire.painting

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The real question you should ask is why are the landmasses always the same?

Surely, given even a century, the coastlines will have shifted thanks to global warming.

>>14620804
The map you posted doesn't reflect what a century will do, as I bet you know. And I don't think predictions for a century from now will look that different on a world map. My non-professional understanding is that rising sea levels a century from now will have a big effect on the frequency of flooding, more than a year-round change in coastlines. I dunno, maybe in southern Florida and Bangladesh, but even then you'd have to hold the page close to your eyes, right?

>>14620804

>Florida
>Gone

Finally, America shall know peace

>>14620860
We won't have peace until Texans, New Yorkers, and perfidious Californians are also gone.

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>>14621017

>Texans

Now you wait one cotton pickin' minute, yankee

>>14621142
Don't you guys NOT want to be part of the U.S though?

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>>14621148

True Texans know the Union is better for Texas than independence.

However, True Texans also want TEXAS' RIGHTFUL CLAY to be returned after it was stolen from us during our entrance to statehood

>>14621017
Californian here. I'm watching this state crumble around me every single day. Purge us and release the ashes into the wind.

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>>14621142
>>14621153

I said it in a /his/ thread and I'll say it here. Texas is the Neo-Zeon of the real world.

>>14621153
>texans complaining about their land being stolen
That's funny hombre

Politics is hard to write.

If you aren't going to gave shit politicians that are doing things for their own purposes as opposed for the country, its harder to write.
You'll have to write it in a way that each faction is justified in their own actions, and are all doing the "right" things for their country from their point of view.

See: Horizon

>>14621017
I say Texas and California should both secede and team up with each other. The Twin Star Alliance.

>>14621651
more like Neo Mexico

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In the future, Australia will have shitposted themselves into becoming a super nation

>>14621670
>>14606351
I decided that while the Philippines might join Australia because of shared culture, Malaysia and Indonesia would join a rival organization instead.

>>14621706

>Philippines
>Willlingly joining other nations

Philippines are German-tier when it comes to "We are the best and everyone should be under us"

>>14602916

>That US/Canada Border

Why? What happened?

>>14621670

Honestly the Front Mission world only makes sense in the context of the Clinton administration back when these games were made. We were pushing for a Pan-American Union like how the EU was but it fell through, sorta. I mean we are technically still in it and it exists, but it's more for keeping trade deals between nations secure and doesn't have any real power like the EU does.

>>14621836
Can you give me historical reasons for why they have that sort of nationalism?

>>14609575
This is a map for the defunct Scars of Ulysses fanfiction

It has some good ideas though, some of which I've chosen to adopt

>>14622504

http://www.wheninmanila.com/philippines-named-as-one-of-the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world/

>>14622504

Not him but when EVERYONE conquers you at some point, it creates a very strong identity of what it means to truly be Flip.

>>14620804

>century

That map is three centuries of unchecked industrialism at the very least.

And we've already taken many steps to avoid that, so it's more like a millennium if things continue as they are.

>>14602927

Never understood how Airstrip One stayed part of Oceania for so long when it's so far from support and so close to Eurasia

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>>14624409
I always assumed Eurasia never gets the opportunity to develop a naval force to take the island. Oceania just bombs/sinks it any chance they get. Basically, Ingsocland rules the seas, hence OCEANian. Plus, the three powers seem to be in cahoots to keep the current global order in place. Which makes the most sense of all for why it is still in Ingsoc hands.

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>>14621836
Really? Filipinos are the trash of the Pacific though. As long as we discount non-nations like the Marshallese of course.

I think it makes sense that the Phillipines would join a secular/Christian-leaning supranational alliance rather than one with more Muslim and Buddhist leanings, especially when most of the other countries in the region have racial superiority laws written into their constitutions.

>>14611134
What are you talking about?

The politics have always been derp, and have been getting derpier as time goes by. TE was pretty bad. TDA was even worse with the humans going to open war with one another, and SM was the worst with its chaotic evil stasi who sat around gloating about how evil they were and did evil for for no reason other than they were evil even when it hurt them.

>>14602949
Thats from Years of Rice and Salt, right?

>>14603153
>Koala's Forest Academy
WTF There's an Australian school.

>>14602916
The worst part of that map is the idea that the US would give up Alaska to Canadians or the fucking Russians.

>>14625028
Fallout.

>>14625088
That was the Chinese, though. Besides, they did take it back.

>>14607915
Just because they didn't fly so good doesn't mean they weren't communist guerrillas.

>>14624409
>>14624790

It's more that Eurasia doesn't actually exist and it's nothing more than a propaganda scheme to keep the British people afraid and unwillingly to leave the Isles.

The rockets that fall on the cities are launched by the leaders against their own people.

>>14602921

First post is best post.

That being said, most people are disconnected from how politics actually works (let alone politics on a global stage). Americans learn about the Cold War and deterrence because thats what you fucking read about for 5 years straight in history class, but thats pretty much the extent of foreign policy knowhow for most Americans. "Kids show" and "12/25 episodes" also plays into it, but at the end of the day most people can't process too much of it.

Look at Game of Thrones. it has had 7 seasons, and its politics has never progressed beyond simple sex politics, personal greed, or muh cultural traditions. Thats because that is literally the extent to which you can expect most of the general public to understand.

Its for this same reason that alliances and treaties in popular fiction gets repeated so often. Everyone understands how a blood pact alliance works - you sign a treaty and shed your blood to indicate how committed you are. A racial alliance is also straightforward - you and a bunch of humanoid creatures decide to band together against the monsters.

Thats not necessarily a bad thing. A good number of good mecha shows are simple human vs alien conflicts, with the bulk of the politics taking place in the human faction. Its a good, reliable palette to work with.

It only gets silly in the subtext of nationalism. That one recent anime about Japanese gun Jesus annihilating China comes to mind. But that silliness can also be on purpose.

>>14627287
>That one recent anime about Japanese gun Jesus annihilating China comes to mind

Sauce?

>>14627231
I don't know If I agree with you on all fronts. The missiles hitting themselves, yes. However, I think the war is pretty damn likely since it's a way of population control for their lowest class. I also think the three powers do exist in some form. If they didn't there would be no point in changing who they have always been at war with part way through the book. Otherwise they could just perpetually use Eurasia. We do know that an oceania military exists. At the end of the day my take is that the whole world is a dystopian hell hole, though we don't get the full picture. We get a possible glimpse that the government sets up as a trap.

>>14627287
Can you give an example of "how politics actually works" that Americans and most people don't understand/can't process? Are you mainly talking about the role of trade and economic treaties?

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>>14627847

Read "Guns of August"

About the first month of WWI and has some of the best analysis of the politics that led to WWI. That's a good place to start when it comes to understanding politics.

>>14624931

It's a fanmade map, but yes, it's supposed to represent that

>>14621142
Whoever did this is a bit off on Utah. It would be Deseret if they had been left to their own devices. That size seems reasonable because they WANTED more, especially based on where some Mormons settled, but that doesn't mean that's how it would shake out, especially if minerals and such were in the offing.

>>14621365
we won it fair and square.
also Santa Ana was a faggot who literally slept on us.

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>>14603983
You might want to look at the European history, especially the XIX Century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848

>>14627461
Mahouka

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>>14603613
KALMAR UNION, BACK WITH A VENGEANCE
SPACE KAROLINER

>>14620804
Finally we will get rid of England

>>14620804
>>14632990
>tfw dutch
even the fucking belgians get to ride this one out - reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>14627956
Gotta love how italy's motto says nothing about freedom or loyalty or dying.
Just came to see what's the fuss about.

>>14632762

Technically a balkanization forced upon the region by outside powers (Napoleon fucking up the HRE)

>>14633778
napoleon was long gone by 1848

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>>14602916
Because people don't like fun.

Sorta thread related:

Has there ever been a world map made of the NGE world? The coastlines are surely different, what with the catastrophic damage done to Antarctica, yeah?

>>14636685
See >>14620804 and imagine the water is red

>>14603983
What? Balkanization happens because, guess what, different ethnic groups with different languages tend not to get along.

Whether it could happen again is another thing. I have seen some speculate that, if the US gets too diverse, it could balkanize; remains to be seen if things could ever get that bad though.

>>14617562
>Little more than the last gasps of a dying generation who realizes they've lost control of the demographic make-up of their countries.

So...white people.

>>14637657
>Balkanization happens because, guess what, different ethnic groups with different languages tend not to get along.

You forgot the most important step:

>those different ethnic groups are forced to live together

And what causes that? Outside powers forcing those ethnic groups to live together.

>>14637731
Well, if we assume a country like the US will eventually balkanize, then it wasn't outside powers that made the US diverse.

>>14637806

What lines would it even balkanize along given that the distribution of racial, ethnic and religious sub groups is pretty even across the US as a whole and beyond first generation immigrants they all speak English. Some people speak their parent's native language too, but they almost always speak English first and foremost. I really can't see balkanization happening there because of it.

If some part of the US does secede I'd say it's more likely to be for political reasons than ethnic ones.

>>14637853
For ethnic lines, you could easily split the Southwestern US (Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California) off for Hispanics, and the Deep South for blacks.

White people can split the rest amongst themselves.

>>14637657

I don't see ethnicity issues causing the US to split up. This has always been a country of people of different ethnicities coming here willingly, and quite frankly it was only the last 30 years that people have said it's a problem. And let's be entirely truthful, no one cares that asians are coming here, it's all because of latinos.

>>14637994
For the longest time, all those different ethnicities fell under the same racial group, and were forced/encouraged to assimilate and become Americans.

Now, the US have a variety of people coming from different cultures, and assimilation is not encouraged; thanks to multiculturalism.

Learning English is not expected, and the
US caters to those who don't speak it.

Not to mention "hyphenated"-Americans becoming the new thing, as if people have some kind of dual loyalty.

>>14620804
Looks like California's drought will finally end.

>>14638076
>flooding probably destroys desalination plants too
>surrounded by undrinkable water
well fug

>>14637853
I could see a political split happen. Polarization in the US has gotten so bad that its infected the SCOTUS; the ruling party essentially rules through forcing its views onto everybody, rather than forging consensus.

Although the identity politics doesn't help with forging consensus either. Being an American has pretty much lost its meaning, because everyone has their own definition now.

Whether Hillary or Trump wins, neither one is likely to fix the US. The former will likely drive conservatives past their breaking point, and the latter will just drive non-whites into rioting.

>>14638042
I think you're getting carried away. Even if they were "white" by modern standards, the Germans and the Irish were spoken of the same way as Latinos and various Asians today, and they weren't even really considered white. I predict Latin Americans will follow the same course as the Irish, and in fifty years or so their heritage will be as invisible as German or Irish heritage is today. Latinos are overwhelmingly European in heritage, both genetically and culturally, after all.

Blacks are a different case, because their ancestors didn't emigrate here, and no cultural innovators have arisen to free them of their legacy, both the legacy imposed on them by non-blacks, and the legacy blacks impose on themselves. But those innovators aren't impossible.

>Learning English is not expected, and the US caters to those who don't speak it.
I'm not seeing this. Is there a public school in the country that doesn't have an English course? As far back as I can remember, the wet floor signs have said "piso mojado", and yet /m/EChA hasn't established the Confederate States of Aztlán.

>Not to mention "hyphenated"-Americans becoming the new thing
It's not a new thing. Americans have always carried their separate identities with them, Hyphenated-American is just a more politically correct form than "negro", but blacks in the past still considered themselves loyal to their race as well as their nation.

>>14638154
>Being an American has pretty much lost its meaning
As it should. A nation is just a tool for ensuring democracy and individual liberty. The definition of an American should be someone who has U.S. citizenship, no more or less. Pride in nationality is just as useless as pride in race, ethnicity, or sports team.

The Union survived the Confederate States of America. As crummy as bipartisanship is today, I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as the lead up to the Civil War.

>>14638154
>drive non-whites into rioting

There's a whole lot of whites that aren't that taken with him either.
Probably easier to just say there's gonna be an uptick in violence across the board and leave it at that.

To say nothing for the concerns of our overseas relations.

>>14638458
>Pride in nationality is just as useless as pride in race, ethnicity, or sports team.

Merkel, is that you?

>>14638521
>There's a whole lot of whites that aren't that taken with him either.

They're not the ones with the guns, so I don't consider them much of a threat. They'd just retreat to their safe spaces.

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>>14638534
Try Yang Wen Li. But sure, if I agree with Merkel on this, so be it.

Please justify nationalistic pride for me, I don't think I've actually heard a reasoned argument for it, and I'm genuinely interested to hear one.

>>14638567

If the place where I live gets more resources than another there is a bigger chance my life will be better

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>>14638632
Come on, you can do better than that. Give me some cognitive dissonance, something that can make me question my own convictions.

>>14638042
>For the longest time, all those different ethnicities fell under the same racial group

They didn't treat us Italians any better back in the 30s.

>Now, the US have a variety of people coming from different cultures

Which was the same back then, culture is not race. They didn't like eastern europeans because we were catholics and jews and things like that.

>and assimilation is not encouraged
>Learning English is not expected

Except it totally is. You can't get anywhere except a shitty low-wage job if you don't speak english in this country, unless you're chinese in a tech field.

>Not to mention "hyphenated"-Americans becoming the new thing

It is anything but a new thing. Teddy Roosevelt spoke about them back during WW1, specifically calling them hyphenated Americans.

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>>14638534

What pride is there to be had in something you didn't earn? You didn't work to be an American, you got it by nature of being born here. It's something to be prideful in something you create or work towards, but something you were given, where is the pride in that? It's an empty pride.

Not >>14638567 by the way, I just also happened to have a LoGH image for it.

>>14604536

this but unironically

>>14638706
Migrants have a right to national pride by your logic.

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>>14602935

>The Empire of Gran Bolivia

>>14638755
Not him, but if the migrants do more work to strengthen their country than natural-born citizens, then yes, I think his logic would dictate that migrants have that right. And?

>>14638686
Or unless you're cheap labor.

And Teddy specifically spoke against hyphenated-Americans, saying there was no place for them.

>>14638567
This might come as a shock to you, being an American, but people in other countries actually value a sense of shared ethnicity, culture, and national identity.

Pride comes from a sense of shared blood and history. Knowing your ancestors have fought and died for the land they called home. What they've accomplished, and the legacy they left behind for future generations.

Mind you, national pride is meaningless if you come from a shit country. What is there to be proud of, if you're country is a mess? A history of no note?

>>14639092
what about nationalistic pride which is all about being pure-blooded and untainted people who are entitled to the superior land that they had all this time

>>14605154
This is absolutely moronic.

>>14602916
The only thing I dislike about this set-up is that the Arctic Territories aren't accounted for. We're at least 400 years in the future, that shit will be open season.

>>14639121
Personally speaking, worrying about being pure-blooded is a waste of time. Whether they're half or a quarter, a countryman is a countryman.

I cannot speak for the US, but in Europe there have been countries that have known what it is like being taken over; having people come in and think they are just entitled to your land as your are, if not more. That is all I will say.

>>14639092
Refuges welcome ;)

>>14639205
This is the most transparent thing I've read today.

>>14638755

Last I checked the ones who come here, go through the citizenship process, and prove they want to be part of our country have every right to be prideful in this nation. They actively have taken the initiative to what they see as bettering themselves through opportunity.

>>14639082
>Or unless you're cheap labor.

Again, unless you work a shitty low-wage job. The only people who hire those that speak english (and let's be honest, when we say that we mean people that speak spanish, not something else) are those who are barely going to pay them.

>>14639092
>Mind you, national pride is meaningless if you come from a shit country. What is there to be proud of, if you're country is a mess? A history of no note?

I would argue that even if your country is shit, if it's a very old country then there is something to say about its people's endurance against the tides of the world.

>>14639205

The difference is despite what sensationalist news likes to make you think, when people come to the US they learn to live like we do or they generally end up in jail from doing something stupid. People love to say that latinos don't integrate, but they integrated into American mainstream society infinitely better than blacks, who always saw people that tried to act "white" for lack of a better term as an Uncle Tom. They pay their taxes, they serve in the armed forces in record numbers, the ones born here are extremely patriotic because they see this country as having given their family a better life. The worst thing about is that statistically, a lot of them are poor.

Also as a teacher, I can say that the ones who don't speak english, are generally the ones who have only been here a couple years at best.

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>>14636685

As far as Anno cares, the world outside of Tokyo 3 consists only of Boston and Germany

The rest of the world might as well not even be there

>>14639563

Yeah but that's pretty much all of Japan

>>14639092
>This might come as a shock to you, being an American
It doesn't shock me, and I think you could've predicted that. I've read a history book, I've browsed internet comments, and there are plenty of Americans who want an American emulation of those more traditional national identities.

The fact that a vast majority of Terrans hold tightly to an irrational pride in their ancestors isn't a justification for that pride. It just means they have psychological chains which they ought to be freed from. Same with religion, classism, strictly-enforced social norms. Ethno-nationalistic pride might give individuals a shallow comfort through community, but it's at the cost of their individual wills, and their ability to empathize with other people separated by time, place, culture and language.

But honestly, I want someone to change my mind. Someone please sell nationalism to an altruistic individualist.

>>14639563
There were the other two Tokyos, the second being the capital of Japan and, I think, the location of the UN HQ. Area 51 got more spotlight than MIT, arguably. There were also those islands nations were still fighting over, the Nansha Islands. I've always wanted to see what conventional warfare between humans looked like in the Eva world, outside of the JSSDF's attack in End of Evangelion.

>>14639443
That is true. I cannot disagree with you there.

>>14639843
If you think like that, then I don't think there's anything I could say that could change your thinking.

I can understand where you are coming from, even if I don't agree with you.

You see everyone as a fellow human being, and while you are not wrong, it is different. It is hard to explain. To me, having a sense of shared ethnic ties, history and language makes for a strong community. Even if we are strangers, we can understand each other in ways a foreigner couldn't.

I do not think Europe is any less individualistic than America, but I do think your country has stronger laws in some respect. You have real freedom of speech over there; the fact that someone like Trump has gotten as far as he has says enough to me.

I also respect your Second Amendment. Owning a gun is not a privilege over there, but is treated as a fundamental right. Citizens can own guns to defend themselves, their family, and their property.

However, it is sad that many of your citizens do not appreciate that right. Indeed, there are those that would rather centralize guns and power with the police and government. I think that is dangerous thinking, but it is not my country to judge.

I cannot blame them, as they have grown up in peace, in a country that has never had to deal with a serious invasion, or to be taken over.

Let me tell you though, you Americans should cherish that right. When, or if, you ever know what's it like to have your government go fascist, or to be taken over by another country, you will wish you were armed.

Better to die on one's back than on one's knees. But enough of that, I am getting far too off topic.

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Ghost in the Shell's world was pretty cool, except for the whole "Nukes large enough to create lakes that big would have destroyed the ecosystem of the Earth" bit

>>14640940
this looks like how the US should be split up now.

>>14638042
>Not to mention "hyphenated"-Americans becoming the new thing, as if people have some kind of dual loyalty.

Maybe you simply aren't American, but the "hypenated"-Americans isn't a dual loyalty thing. It is your cultural identity. Saying you are Italian-American does not mean you give a shit what's going on in Italy, odds are you don't even have any family in Italy you know about. It just means that what you trace your ethnicity to.

America is not a culture in the kind Europeans are. We are a nation of individuals, and the hyphenation is to further define who we are individually from other Americans.

>>14642436
>We are a nation of individuals,
I like the sentiment here, but
>the hyphenation is to further define who we are individually from other Americans.
I'm the anti-nationalist individualismfag here, and I think both sides of the hyphen are a threat to individualism. It's great if you're just stating your heritage matter-of-factly, but if you mean to say something like, "my South Asian heritage makes me a unique individual from you", I think that just pushes your mind closer to group identity and away from whatever individuality you thought you were embracing.

I won't deny that cultural heritage has a big influence on us as individuals, especially if you can trace all your heritage to just one nation rather than a diluted mixture, but it's a matter of what we choose to focus on and value.

>>14640940
Are you certain that's an official map? It kind of looks fan-made to me, it has more detail than I've ever seen in a GitS:SAC map, and I don't remember the show mentioned anything about warhead lakes.

>>14638076
Fun fact: due to the particular desert climate of the Golden state, droughts there have been known to last up to 200 years.

>>14643242

There's historical data for drought levels going back more than 200 years?

>>14602916
Why is Europe part of the African Union but everyone's white? Why is one called North America when the most northern part of North America isn't in it? Poor Greenland.

>>14642436
>>14638686
As a 2nd-Generation Chinese-American immigrant, I only see the hyphen as identifying my race. I'm full American in citizenship and loyalty, and I expect all immigrants and their descendants to learn English, learn the Constitution, and understand why the United States is unique in the freedoms it protects as a matter of law. While I might enjoy fireworks as a cultural heritage and argue that fireworks bans violate the First Amendment right to freedom of religion, it's not really something that I consider to make myself less American.

There's nothing wrong with having a hyphen, and nothing special about it. You could always call yourself a 7th-generation German-American if you wanted to, but when your grandparents and great-grandparents were American you're most likely to just call yourself American.

The problem today is that people are intent on importing European "multiculturalism" into the United States, which doesn't work. Europe encouraged this because they have a long history of war between various small- to medium-sized nations, and it was all about smoothing out these differences within the European community so that they'd stop fighting wars every three decades. When they start expanding that to foreign cultures with radically different values, you get conflict between the natives and the immigrants, and too often the elites side with the immigrants. This dilutes the overall Western values of democracy, freedom, and classical liberalism that most modern European nations embrace or hold as ideals, and risks tearing apart the social cohesion that has held true since the end of the Cold War.

>>14643685
In the US, encouraging "multiculturalism" merely means that instead of Americans you start to get groups of very isolated, insular communities that do not embrace the ideals of America. It's a more extreme version of the Chinatown phenomenon of previous generations where immigrants might live together and practice their culture but HAD to integrate in order to succeed in life and climb society. You had to learn English, or at least ensure your children learned English, because that was the key to succeeding in education, business, and society. Most would also convert to the local religion because it was a shared cultural value that went across generations, county lines, and state borders.

Now it's okay for there to be schools where most of the students speak Spanish as their primary language and English as secondary. You get neighborhoods where multiple generations don't speak English as a primary language or use it in everyday business, not just the old folk or the new immigrants. The government bends over backwards to make it easy for people to not need English to get around society, never mind the costs that imposes on communities where there are large numbers of immigrants or non-English speakers.

And illegal immigration just exacerbates every problem because they are a shadow population of at least 30 million people who actively reject society every day, and the multiculturalists celebrate them for doing it, like at the DNC a few weeks ago. They spit on the law that all American citizens and all legal immigrants obey. Everyone who knows an illegal and considers them normal immigrants fosters a seed of contempt for the laws and the elected government which enforces them, which becomes a flame of hatred against law-abiding citizens whenever people clamor for it to be enforced, as seen at DJT rallies. These people aren't American in their hearts; they are anti-American because they embrace values that endanger America and the American way of life.

>>14640940
Did even a state capitol take a hit on this map? What was the target?

>>14602916

Huh. You know I just noticed something about IBO's map. New Zealand is way farther away than it should be. Poor kiwis are drifting into Antarctica by the looks of it.

>>14643738
>rhetoric and buzz words: the post

>>14643793
Please don't start a Bearstone conversation on /m/ of all places.

>>14643815
A what?

>>14643637
>Why is Europe part of the African Union but everyone's white?
The same reason Hawaii is part of the United States of America even though it's not anywhere near the American continent.

>Why is one called North America when the most northern part of North America isn't in it?
The words in small print are geographical regions, the words in large print are the actual power blocs. All of the Americas but for Canada are in the Strategic Alliance Union.

>Poor Greenland.
Poor Antarctica. And maybe something especially gruesome happened to the more habitable parts of Greenland.

>>14643738
>It's a more extreme version of the Chinatown phenomenon of previous generations where immigrants might live together and practice their culture but HAD to integrate in order to succeed in life and climb society.

The Chinatown phenomenon happened because of a combination of the fact that for a long time Americans didn't trust the Chinese, and the Chinese themselves were inherently xenophobic and only wanted to live among their own kind.

I forgot the African Union was even a thing irl.

>>14643738

You're being overly panicky, America is not going to have its own Quebec. Because it doesn't matter how much the demographics change, because the people in charge of the country only care about one thing, and that's the consolidation of their own federal power. As long as that remains the case, the way the country is run won't change. Not unless a major homefront war or something happens, and quite frankly someone who have to be crazy to try a conventional war on US soil.

>>14621706
There are quite a large number of Malaysian emigrants to Australia, enough so that I'd argue Malaysians might feel stronger ties to Australia than they do to Indonesia, a country who once invaded and tried to annex them and had to be fought off with British and Australian aid.

>>14644154
But even in Chinatowns the actual immigrants didn't tell their children to not learn English and keep to themselves.

>>14644252
>the actual immigrants didn't tell their children to not learn English

Where does this happen? Cite some sources?

Where do you get in this country when you don't learn english? A shitty job that keeps you as poor as your parents were, that's where.

>>14644172
>I forgot Africa was even a thing irl

FTFY

>>14602916
cause nobody really wants to divide up the moon

>>14606116
Star Trek makes earth unified under the Unified Earth Government, but introduces a fuck tonne of other planets/nationalities. Not to mention making earth just one of the founding members of the federation. So they don't even

>>14647140

No I definitely remember that Africa is a thing. It's a rather big continent, plus I was there not too long ago.

>>14647675

Star Trek having a unified earth made sense, because nuclear war plunged human population levels into a dangerously low point. A unified government was needed to save humanity.

>>14647563
Speak for yourself, filthy mare-dweller. Highland Consortium for the highlanders!

>>14609575
>>14643793

I'm pretty sure that's deliberate - New Zealand/Cayenne are just trying to get as far away from everyone else as possible.

Given the consequences of being interesting in the Gundam & AC universes this isn't a terrible idea. Cold as fuck though.

>>14640940

Where would all that water come from to fill in the new lakes?

>>14647708
Any nation that gets a hold of africa and can have the most powerful and or numerous tribes all fall under their banner will get an almost inexhaustible supply of warriors, hot bitches and the largest supply of fucking natural resources both in terms of raw materials and energy and flora and fauna the earth has to offer.
The only other place on the planet as rich is the ocean and people are too damned lazy to deal with that.

>>14602927
Started reading 1984 and then it got to be that the mc was a cuck then i dropped it. They can't be sent to the gulag fast enough.

>>14627287
>Americans learn about the Cold War and deterrence because thats what you fucking read about for 5 years straight in history class, but thats pretty much the extent of foreign policy knowhow for most Americans.

lucky, for literally my entire public school life I only learned about
>American Revolution (not the battles just anything that seemed peaceful like Tea party and what not)
>Holocaust
>not WW2, just Holocaust

That was for 12 years.

>>14637665
Yep. In 50 years, they'll probably be less than one percent of the global population.

>>14639843
>Hurp derp Star Trek is the way forward.

>>14650124
Or just kills them or suppresses them. You don't need to get them on side. This is why China's African empire should be the number one geopolitical concern of the West. Another downside to the United States post war policy.

>>14602949
That was a really good book. And everything else KSR wrote was trash.

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>>14602935
>Nobody's touched Antarctica

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>>14603000
I feel you bro. Have a decent map.

>>14639843
Look, I'm not a foreigner in my country. I'm part of my country. My country exists, in part, because of me.

Now, how I act influences my country. If I show up late for work, I influence my country. If I accept a bribe, I influence my country. If I take a three-hour lunch and two 90-minute breaks during my six-hour government job, I influence my country.

Some countries have more citizens that do these things, some countries have fewer. My country doesn't have very many, and so things run pretty smoothly here. You don't have to bribe a gang to lift a roadblock to drive places here, you don't have to hide your face if you are a police officer, you can walk into a business and ask for something and get it that day. Some countries aren't like that.

I am part of the reason my country is not like that. I am punctual and courteous with strangers, and if I cannot afford to buy something I do without. But just my actions can't make my country great. It's a group effort, and I'm proud of the effort my group is making.

>>14650492

Nobody's touched it for more than 50 years since the Antarctic Treaty, why would they start in the future? Any resources it has ate mire trouble than they're worth to collect after all.

>>14650597
50 years of global warming'll fix that right up.

>>14640940
Where in the world did you get this map? I have never seen this before. Also, everything in mustard yellow are independent nations now aren't they?

>>14650597
I mean on the autistic map where there's an Arctic nation and Nigeria's building a space elevator.

>>14650450
>This is why China's African empire should be the number one geopolitical concern of the West.

Except that isn't really working out that great for them. People love to post that one webm from Empire of Dust, but really the whole documentary should be watched because it's clear how much money China is going to have to pump into Africa to get anything out of it.

Also people should stop being so mean to Eddy because of that webm. He's a genuinely smart guy in a country full of stupid people.

>>14650943
And? How much money do you think the European Empires pumped into Africa? Shit needs investment if you want to get the resources out of there. The point is that if you have control of those resources, you're pretty much set. China's playing the long game here while the West, under US leadership, is dicking about with Russia over who has the right to sort out sandpeople issues.

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>>14650943
is this the webm you're referring to? I didn't know what it was from

>>14651038

Yeah, that's the webm.

>>14650974
>How much money do you think the European Empires pumped into Africa?

Not nearly as much because it's a lot easier and cheaper to just enslave the populace than pay them.

>>14651150
>Not nearly as much because it's a lot easier and cheaper to just enslave the populace than pay them.
You'd think so but it doesn't usually work out like that.

>>14651038
>you were under colonial rule until only 50 years ago, you should've learned how things worked.
The europeans never taught the native population how to maintain the infrastructure they put in. What do people think will happen once the colonial government goes away? Also that's real rich coming from a guy whose country destroyed everything that made it a scientific and cultural power in the 70s and set a billion people back a century.

>>14651167
>The europeans never taught the native population how to maintain the infrastructure they put in.
They absolutely did. Even while they ran the place it was mostly natives maintaining it.

>>14651172
The problem is that all the educated ones just fucked off to the old imperial main country rather than stay around and end up massacred by the demagogues that seized power, like in Uganda.

>>14602935
Is this Ace Combat 7?

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>>14651187
>Ace Combat 7
>Map of the real world

I don't know if you've heard the good news yet anon, but AC7 is Strangereal now. Not alternate normal earth.

>>14650432
good

>>14651242

You've never met the mainland Chinese if you think that's good.

>>14651254
Or actual Africans. Then again if you hate homosexuals, you'll be happy.

>>14651267

It depends on where you go. Ethiopians are very nice, partly because they equate Americans with relief aid.

>>14651267
I have met actual africans. Unless this is one of those all africans are like in the scary movies/stories from the net thing.

>>14651294
I have met and lived amongst several African populations both in various African countries and in immigrant communities for years.

>>14651213
>the good news

Caving in to the MUH STRANGEREAL crowd like they did is nothing but a red flag for 7.

I can't wait to see what mental gymnastics those babies who jumped in via AC6 are going to use to defend 7. Probably the usual stock "well at least it isn't ass whorizon" shit they spew out as if it redeems their own shit taste.

>>14651038
>I didn't know what it was from
>webm title: Empire of Dust [2011]
It's on youtube.

>>14651167
>set a billion people back a century
But they already caught up

>>14651911

Not culturally.

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>>14651911
We can never truly catch up. Too much was lost.

>>14651914
>implying culture can only develop in one direction and at a set speed
You're fucked in the head man.

>>14651911
Not really.

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>tfw the failed marriage between Spain and Ethiopia
>tfw no super Ethiopian empire controlling the entire horn of Africa and half of Egypt

>>14651928

How far back does this timeline attest human civilization to go?

>>14602916
Because realistic politics would have little to no need for mecha and mecha porn. Realistic conflicts don't get solved just because of superior firepower. Actual war just a tip of a conflict where most of the complexities lie behind "boring" bits like multiple parties covertly having their own ideals and only showing bits of it.

Also >>14602921
Even fucking Code Geass did more than their multiple faction than IBO.

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>>14652016
A very long time

>>14652016

Well the Finnish-Korean Hyperwar was fought for over 2000 years

>>14651928
>>14652734
Suomi pls go

>>14650185
>then it got to be that the mc was a cuck then i dropped it.
that's the point. He's a brainwashed cog in the ingsoc system. That's even the ending.

>>14637853
>What lines would it even balkanize along

Along the lines within which a particular group will succeed in exterminating or expelling all others.

>given that the distribution of racial, ethnic and religious sub groups is pretty even across the US as a whole

That's why the process will be extremely bloody.

>and beyond first generation immigrants they all speak English.

Speaking the same language doesn't matter. It didn't matter in USSR. It didn't matter in Yugoslavia. It didn't matter in actual fucking US of A, neither in 1770s, not in 1860s. It currently doesn't matter in any of the ongoing ethnic/tribal wars, Syria, Lybia, Ukraine, you name it. Sharing a common language does not meaningfully interfere with balkanization.

>If some part of the US does secede I'd say it's more likely to be for political reasons than ethnic ones.

The separation of poltical reasons from ethnic ones is a delusion that (some parts of) the Western Civilization could only maintain while remaining relatively ethnically homogenous. For the rest of the world, either tribal or ethnoimperialistic politics are the norm. And war is continuation of politics by other means.

>>14640940
>Oregon in the California Republic
reeeeEEEEEEEEE

>>14650441
Maybe a one-world government isn't natural, maybe it couldn't last, but if so, I'll achieve it by force. History bends to human will, not the other way around.

>>14650568
Thanks, that's the sort of insightful answer I was waiting for. But from my understanding, if other countries aren't as "great" as yours, then it's just a matter of bestowing upon them whatever values they need to become great. And I should be able to benefit from a great planet as much as a great country, if not more.

And there's a layer of self-righteousness in your language. The bad kind of righteousness. I'm happy to please my boss and coworkers, and it truly bothered me when I thought my wages weren't worth my job's contribution to the global economy. But when it comes to the lazy, the rude, the corrupt, the irresponsible, in the end I don't think they should be looked down on or blamed. Holding people accountable is healthy and important, but at the same time I think if we had absolute understanding of each other, we would also achieve absolute forgiveness. (In less flowery words, no such thing as libertarian free will.) And when people speak the way you do, my instinct is that they don't speak out of real principles, they speak out of a desire to overcome personal insecurities by placing themselves in a non-degenerate class.

>>14652788
Excuse me but these posts are extremely offensive. Over 6 million finns were mercilessly slaughtered by hwan proto-ninjas and you have the gall to post disparaging comments about this atrocity without even the slightest respect for the dead. My great great great grandfather died in the battle of siberia and I myself still still struggle with autism thanks to the fallout from the M.A.A. activation. so next time keep your little comments to yourself because you never know who they might hurt.

shame on you

I always liked the Deus Ex future, the bartender in Hong King was great for world building.

>>14651928
>Christian dark ages meme

>>14653828
>then it's just a matter of bestowing upon them whatever values they need to become great

Were it so easy. As early as Thomas Jefferson and the Native Americans, the US discovered that you cannot give democracy to those that do not want it.

There are some parts of the world that I'm just not sure any amount of outside help will fix.

>>14652734
I never understood this meme

>>14643637
>Europe in a distant future
>white
Dude, just use your brain,

>>14655607
Nice meme, I bet you're American

>>14617522
Christ, that looks like a clusterfuck.

>>14643738

The majority of American Hispanics cannot speak anything but English by the third generation.

>>14656525

There's a reason the bloodshed and violence seen in the 30 Years War was not matched until the 20th century

>>14652853

The great asset of America is superior assimilation ability.

Does Europe have a mass immigrant voting bloc? Does Japan? Do Tibetans and Ughurs have a voice in China? Do the people not in power have any kind of real say?

In America, minorities have voting blocs. We're divided, but compared to the rest of the world divided much less.

>>14656525
The HRE's fun like that.

>>14656686
>Does Europe have a mass immigrant voting bloc?
Yes.

>>14602916
>Why are politics in most /m/ shows so simplistic?
politics in most forms of media is simplistic, because politics doesn't really grip the viewers. Character drama is much more interesting to any audience than economy and treaties can ever be.

>>14656686
Japan doesn't have mass immigration, period. They are very protective of their culture.

>>14656983

More importantly, they're kinda crowded as it is.

>>14643783
We can presume the attacks were deflected from their original targets either by air power or electronic warfare.
>tfw your state only has one hole in it and it's not even in anywhere important
or maybe georgia clay stronk and the nukes that did hit didn't make a big enough crater for lakes to form

>>14656686
>Do Tibetans and Ughurs have a voice in China?

Their independence movements are pretty violent tho