Is it just me, or would the Warring Space States era of the UC

An interesting point, but nobody seems to care about late UC. You can't put more Zeon in it.

Read the manga.

>>14568888
Fanboys don't want late UC. They want OYW retcons and sidestories, and even then they shit themselves in rage if it portrays Zeon as anything but incorruptible pure angels.

>>14568946
>and even then they shit themselves in rage if it portrays Zeon as anything but incorruptible pure angels.
They don't seem to care, actually. The only ones that even try to whitewash Zeon the occasional manga artist.

>>14568965
The fact still remains that fanboys want nothing but regurgitation of the OYW with tacky variants of pre-existing suits.

>>14568888
The Full Armor Gundam that is more heavily armed than any 2 Full Armor Types put together while having none of the designs flaws is retarded.

Honestly Thunderbolt is terrible, its just some guy making his own mech series (that is terrible) and slapping a UC coating on it.

>>14568976
That has a lot more to do with Sunrise thinking that's all that sells in UC, but consistantly make new AUs that sell gunpla like hotcakes for the span of a year or two.

They have a weird business strategy, but recently at a London event, they did say they were looking harder at adapting older stories into animation.

>>14568981
I don't really mind that shit. If that's what the artist wants to do, so be it, but my issue is the fact that he said he wanted to take artistic liberties with the OYW so he didn't have to adhere to every single minor detail of the lore in making Thunderbolt, in which case, Late UC would have been the way to go.

>>14568946
>then they shit themselves in rage if it portrays Zeon as anything but incorruptible pure angels.
Source?
Because Zeon as a faction has always been the bad guy, it's your fault if you're too fucking retarded and fell for the Zeonwank bullshit meme

>>14569043
This. Bad guys tend to be more compelling because they're doing terrible things and people innately want to figure out why. That requires explaining why and often leads to more development than your average hero who's just a normal guy trying to do the right thing because it's right.

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>>14568946
>>14568976


where'd all the salt run of too

>>14568946
What if Tomino did a show portraying Zeon as puppy raping baby eaters?

>>14569218
Everyone would call it Feddiewank and Black_Knight aka Gay_Queer would shit up a storm the likes of which you've never seen.

You can't please anyone ever.

>>14568888
>Is it just me
Yes, it is just you. No one else would get so autistic about the best gundam show in years.

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>>14569285
>the best gundam
It's visually impressive and has some well choreographed fights but that's the most I can say about it. 08th MS Team had a better plot, ffs.

>>14569319
>2015/16 - Thunderbolt - the best gundam show in years
>1996-1999 - 8th MS Team - "B-B-But muh better plot, for fucks sakes!"
>best in years

So uh, why are you arguing? It's been 16 years since 8th FINISHED. That's almost 20 years since it STARTED. I believe 2 decades is enough time to qualify as years, no?
Argue some more asshat, I dare you.

>>14569319
>visually impressive and has some well choreographed fights
>literally the reason to watch Gundam anime

You watch porn for the character building and plot twists too I bet.

>>14569424
Your opinion sucks ass just like thunderbolt

>>14569434
no u, faggot

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>>14569433
I like the universe and setting of UC, personally.

So much so that no amount of logic can make Thunderbolt make sense. Why the fuck does either side care about a destroyed colony cluster? Why are the Moore Brotherhood recieving dozens of Guncannon and GM Cannon relief troops to recapture it from a measly gaggle of crippie snipers when they could be participating in Operation Cembalo and Star One, the latter of which the Feds DESPERATELY need troops for after the colony laser? Why did the Moore Brotherhood get a fucking GUNDAM of all things, and one that's so souped up with weapons that can wreck a fleet?

Like I said, it's visually impressive, but the story doesn't hold up under even the most minimal of scrutiny. Just about every Gundam series has made some effort to establish a context to justify what was going on. Thunderbolt just feels like a giant setpiece for a spectacle and nothing but.

Which would have been fine in in the 0120s, when the Federation barely cared about what was happening in space and those stationed in the colonies were mostly left to their own devices with minimal reinforcements. I can believe that a bunch of ragtag Federation soldiers want to kick a radicalized colonial milita out of their homeland, and I can believe that the Federation might give them the minimal amount of troops needed to accomplish that, but in the OYW? This shit doesn't add up. Neither the Federation nor Zeon have any reason to care about a shoal zone, not as a base, not as a territory, and certainly not as a supply route.

>>14569483
Honestly it sounds like your headcanon is interfering with your ability to enjoy the show. You have all these weighted reasons for why things don't work for you, and that's fine, but the problem is you act like they are laws in the UC timeline. They are not. There are tons of OYW Gundams. They answer your first 2 questions in show, sorry you can't accept it. In addition, it looks like Sunrise decided the Feds weren't so DESPERATE when you think. You are looking at things as though they are cut and dried, when they truly are not.

>>14569520
>There are tons of OYW Gundams.
The increasingly extensive presence of Gundams in the OYW is not a concern of mine. I don't even know where you got that.

My concern is that there is NO reason for Thunderbolt's story to be taking place. There is nothing about the wreckage of Side 4 that can benefit either side of the war, yet Zeon seems intent on occupying this large collection of floating debris with constant lightning bolts spewing around putting their troops at risk and the Federation seems to be interested enough in taking it back that they dedicated a fleet complete with a Gundam and plenty of reinforcements to the Moore Brotherhood so that they could capture it. It's even stated in the story itself that the Federation barely cares about this little conflict within the war, yet here they are throwing quite a lot at it. The Thunderbolt Sector holds no usable resources, is a horrible place to keep a fleet, and the Zeon forces stationed there are the bottom of the barrel. The only thing I can think of it's strategic importance is...it's kind of close to Solomon, I guess?

The show makes zero effort to establish any context that justifies this clash in the Thunderbolt Sector. This isn't an issue with just the artist's personal artistic license with the OYW setting, either; you could remove it from mainstream UC entirely and those questions still remain. The whole Side 4 arc is very poorly thought out.

Honestly, they could have moved the story into the year 0080 and it would have made sense as a hunt for Zeon Remnants or something.

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>>14569617
>Honestly, they could have moved the story into the year 0080 and it would have made sense as a hunt for Zeon Remnants or something.

Before you bring it up, I am aware that the earth arc is exactly like this

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>>14569617
>My concern is that there is NO reason for Thunderbolt's story to be taking place. There is nothing about the wreckage of Side 4 that can benefit either side of the war, yet Zeon seems intent on occupying this large collection of floating debris with constant lightning bolts spewing around putting their troops at risk and the Federation seems to be interested enough in taking it back that they dedicated a fleet complete with a Gundam and plenty of reinforcements to the Moore Brotherhood so that they could capture it.

That's kind of my problem with it, too. Nevermind the rest of UC, even internally, Thunderbolt doesn't seem like the story has much reason to be taking place.

It was a fun ride but it's most definitely the most "Check your brain at the door" Gundam has ever been.

Should have animated Blazing Shadow

>>14569705
Side 4 is another front that draws Zeon ships/troops. The Moore Brotherhood might not necessarily have joined the Federation if they did not try to win back Side 4.

The Federation by giving some resources to the Moore Brotherhood gets to help draw Zeon forces from other fronts.

It probably also serves as a great place to test Gundam space capabilities though they seem to have just handed it off without giving a fuck so I dunno about that.

Also I don't see why the Full Armor version is weird. That gundam is obviously meant for space battles and it was sent ready for war unlike the ones that were in development in the original series.

>>14569617
TB is Gundam : The Ride : The Manga.

Whatever story they got is just there to make cool robot chases in exotic locations possible.

>>14569705
>>14569617
>The show

I'm going to say this is the issue. I haven't watched all the OVA yet, but am I correct in assuming they don't show the main EFF fleet at the end?

In the manga the secret purpose of the operation kept from the Brotherhood and the reason they sent them ms and the FA gundam was that the thunderbolt sector was the "Backdoor" the EFF fleet used to sneak up on A Baoa Qu from the original series lore. They sent the Brotherhood in without knowledge of it so that a single detatchment trying to reclaim their homeland wouldn't draw too much suspicion from Zeon and if it failed and they were captured they couldn't expose the Fleets location and plans.

After all the fighting in the sector ends and Zeon pulls out the EFF move the fleet through.

>>14572024
Also, the reason that Zeon has an outpost there is that it is a good hiding spot close to one of their main supply lines. It's just a guard outpost/checkpoint.

>>14569617
The Thunderbolt Sector was one of Zeon's main supply routes into A Baoa Qu. In the end the Federation succeeded in forcing the zeeks to pull out which opened a corridor for their own forces.

>>14569621
That gundam is such nonsense, it doesn't fit in the early UC in any way. It is quite literally just the creator of the manga inserting his own snowflake mech and then slapping the Gundam flavor on it for recognition.

>>14572024
>I haven't watched all the OVA yet, but am I correct in assuming they don't show the main EFF fleet at the end?
IIRC they show Io's detainment and speech to Daryl about them belonging to war now and skip directly to A Baoa Qu.

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>>14571965
>That gundam is obviously meant for space battles and it was sent ready for war unlike the ones that were in development in the original series.

It's not so much the concept as it is the fact that it's so incredibly mobile when in the original background behind the Full Armor Concept, they had to build an entirely different mobile suit onto the RX-78 frame rather than simply slap pieces of armor for it to achieve an acceptable level of mobility like they did with the FA-78-1.

If Thunderbolt's FA-78 is canon, the Full Armor project would have ended there.

I don't know if it's just Thunderbolt's version taking whatever cool liberties they feel like or if Sunrise is trying to retcon the Full Armor series, but you can't have both at once.

>>14572212
It's the mangaka taking liberties. He was given a blank check to do whatever he wanted with the manga without worrying how well it fits the UC anime setting.

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>>14572233
This.

I'm treating Thunderbolt like the in-universe 08th MS Team television drama that has the 08th Team go to space; fiction produced after the fact that takes hollywood-style artistic liberties for the sake of viewership.

>>14572212
Maybe the backpack they threw on it was better than anyone could ever expect.

I can see what you mean though. I can enjoy space battles when there is mecha more when they're treated like tanks rather than fighter jets.

>>14572233
That too of course.

>>14572212
They just gave it a ton of thrusters and large propellant tanks to get decent mobility even though they're mounting a ton of armor and weapons on top of a RX-78 style machine. The tradeoff is that it's a fairly bulky machine, but acceptable for the Thunderbolt FA Gundam's intended use. They're definitely not retconning anything with it as Thunderbolt's writing and design are its own thing.

http://otakumode.com/news/52fc76ef80cd488c6b00068f/Interview-with-Mobile-Suit-Gundam-Thunderbolt-Author-Yasuo-Ohtagaki-3-3

That said, it's not like other full armor projects aren't mobile either. The NT-1 Alex gets away with a relatively agile full armor mode because the armor incorporates thrusters all over the body as well, but it also lacks extra weapons that would otherwise weigh down the machine.

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>>14572255
>I can see what you mean though. I can enjoy space battles when there is mecha more when they're treated like tanks rather than fighter jets.
I feel the opposite.

I LOVE Thunderbolt's take on space combat, I just think that choosing a FSWS mobile suit was a questionable choice of protagonist Gundam if they wanted to show it moving like the Gundam Alex or something.

>>14572257
>So I’m not anti-war either. Wars will continue to happen, and I don’t think we’ll ever be rid of them, so the most important thing is to know how to handle them. But there aren’t that many people in Japan who think about things in that way. It’s correct to say that you’re anti-war or that there shouldn’t be war, so if you look at things as though war is inevitable, people think that you’re pro-war and you’re a bad person. But I think that’s a very narrow way of thinking, and it actually shows a lack of historical knowledge.

wow I really liked that interview. That guy is pretty cool. Wonder if he gets any royalties on Thunderbolt gunpla sales.

>>14572270
I doubt it. He definitely gets some sort of royalties from the manga sales and maybe the OVA through copyright of the story (Although he might not even get that) but I don't doubt that Sunrise outright owns the MS designs themselves for merchandising purposes.