Would the Apsalus have actually been the super-weapon that it

>>14567740
It got destroyed by an oldtype non-ace in a knockoff Gundam. They wouldn't need Amuro for that.

>>14567740

If Shiro and Aina could destroy it, even with help I doubt Amuro would fail to do so.

White Base would probably be fucked, but if a half-melted frankensuit like the Ez8 and a GM Sniper could take it out, then Kai could probably destroy it with the Guncannon. Assuming the pilot forgets to close the fucking hatch again.

Not really. It has a long charge up time, isn't very fast, and is a sitting duck while it charges and fires. It was basically made for one very specific purpose and is a liability outside of that. IIRC it is supposed to be escorted everywhere as well as it is fairly defenseless on its own.

>>14567740
Wasn't it taken down in one shot by a sniper? The thing is a giant target that in open combat get blown away before it can charge one shot

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>Apsalus is a Lithuanian word meaning "melt"

>>14567740
>Would [mobile armor] have actually been the super-weapon that it was intended to be if it had actually been deployed to the front lines

No. This holds just as true for the Apsalus as for everything else. If Amuro didn't one-shot it with the beam rifle, it would have been dogpiled by GMs and trashed in minutes.

Mobile armors are never worth the expense. They simply don't have the durability to make up for their size in a world with beam weapons.

>>14568093
What about Mobile Armors with I-fields?

>>14568101
Require too much power , tend to overheat after short periods , do nothing to stop percussive or explosive weapons.

>>14568101
Apsalus had an I-field and a GM Sniper still one-shot it. Big Zam is a much more explicit example of an I-field's shortcomings.

>>14568120
Except thats fucking wrong you mong, only the Build Fighters kid's custom model kit had an I-field and gas emitters, they weren't something you saw on the actual mobile armor

There is absolutely nothing wrong with using mobile armors, they are equally as valid as mobile suits.
You have just as many failed over-complicated mobile suit designs as you do ones for mobile armors, especially by Zeon that made a dozen different types of mobile suits where one would have sufficed. Just throwing your hands up and saying all mobile armors are worthless is silly.

It all depends on their specified roles and how they are used.

>>14567740
I only now noticed that shoehorned Zaku head at the top.

>>14568093
The Bygros were pretty good actually, they even saw limited production and often ate GM and Ball squads for breakfast in hit and run ops.

>>14568205
>slowpoke
Probably my favorite thing about Apsalus.
It's such a hilarious sensors solution.

>>14568150
>>14570126
Has there been a decent enough mass production mobile armor that was just as successful as any other MS?

Bigro works well (especially as a ship killer) but it couldn't really be considered mass production, maybe just limited production.

>>14567749
>>14567753
well to be fair if I remember properly if it had been used properly it would have been firing from Low Orbit, thus being out of range of pretty much anything the Federation had at the time

>>14570126
>>14570263
actually the Bigro was a full Mass Production unit(albeit one with a production run smaller than most MP MS units in comparison due to it costing as much as several MS's), it's most of the other MA's that are limited production(Zakrello, Braw Bro, and Elmeth all had multiple units produced and used during the OYW, even if we don't count variants), indeed the Aspalus seems to be one of the only MA designs actually produced during the OYW to be a true one-off besides the Big Zam(not counting variants like the Big Rang, or designs not built or deployed till after the war like the Neu Ziel, Val Varo, or Shamblo)

>>14570263
Somewhere in the second half of Gundam X there were MAs which resembled Airmaster's figher mode..

>>14567740
It would have been shot down by a GM Sniper like in 08th MS Team unless it could be successfully escorted close enough to fire its weapon.

>>14570263
Not from UC. There were a few in SEED Destiny of all things.
>Zamzah-Za
>Gells-Ghe
>Euclid
>Destroy Gundam

There was also the WaDom in Turn A and the Gadelaza was mass produced after the events of AWotT.

>>14568150
I know it's just a byproduct of the storytelling (protag in the gundam always wins), but MA do seem to fare much better against fleets of ships than individual MS. The same firepower+speed combo that made MS so lethal against ships, but more so.

But then any ship from Loum onward is going to be carrying a beehive's worth of MS, so it's a moot point anyway.

>>14570370
Watch the ova for the 0081 game, Bigros could slaughter ships refueling their MS and be gone before their MS complement could even react.

The Apaslus III is too giant a mobile armor to be effective on its own. It would need large scale coordination efforts with other mobile suits to protect it as it charges its main gun. It's the kind of thing you devise an entire strategy around. It's more a strategic weapon than a tactical one. Which really might be why it got ganked so easily since it went up against a bunch of tactical weapons (mobile suits), well that and the pilot was insane and didn't know how to close doors.

>>14570432
the entire point of the Aspalus seemed to be a budget Big Zam, probably one of the reasons it got canned in the end

>>14570451
>>14570432
Nope, was made to one shot Jaburo from high orbit IIRC.

>>14568205
Iirc part of its purpose was to be made cheap from existing surplus parts. That's why it has the zaku head and is powered by dom reactors.

>>14570465

It was made to DROP from high orbit and THEN fire. Not shoot from orbit itself. It was basically supposed to be a blitz weapon to attack heavily fortified bases like Jaburo.

>>14570432

This. There's never been a unit that could survive on its own against insurmountable odds except for newtype hax gundams.

>>14570508
yeah, the only reason the apsalus III survived that long was because it was a standoff and the GM sniper hadn't gotten into firing position yet

>>14570508
Big Zam could have if it weren't for Amuro.

>>14567740
The whole point of the Apsalus was to basically be a bunker-busting ICBM to destroy Jaburo. It's not really supposed to go fight MS.

HOWEVER... if you don't have an extremely long range MS like a GM sniper, and the Apsalus starts at range? It would be extremely dangerous. Everyone keeps mentioning how it got taken down by shitties but it was basically in a bad position both times (doing the canyon test, or taking off slowly out of a mountain). In reality it can just fight out of range of almost all Feddie weapons while vaporizing huge swathes of land.

Now that I think about it, you would probably have more luck using a swarm of Core Boosters or something to kill it. There's no way it would be able to hit them and it can't get away.

>>14571532
The main issue is that it needs time to charge up and basically has nothing to defend itself with while doing so. The III was even more helpless as to get a more stable firing position it needs to deploy its legs which if I remember right exposes its reactors.

>>14571415
It would have eventually been kamikazed by a magellan or something.

I rewatched 0079 recently and the thing i noticed the most, and the reason why i think Zeon lost, was not that their tech level was lower, indeed, Zeon had more advanced tech than in everything but beam weapons, but that they were an uncoordinated clusterfuck.
The Zabis hated eachother( except Garma) and each was in control of their own part of the zeon forces which they all but treated as a private army, the deployment and development of MS was also treated as a competition instead of a joint effort to take down the federation.
OYW wasnt Zeon vs Federation, it was 3 seperate forces vs Federation, and they got picked off one by one.

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>>14570288
>well to be fair if I remember properly if it had been used properly it would have been firing from Low Orbit, thus being out of range of pretty much anything the Federation had at the time

I don't think so, that's what its dumb spindly legs were for, it had to be anchored to the ground to fire, it couldn't fire while completely airborne.

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>>14571575
It can definitely fire while in flight.

Even after a GM Sniper destroys one of the minovsky craft devices, Ginias was charging the mega particle cannon for another shot while flying backward when Shiro and Aina crush the Apsalus III cockpit with a punch and cause it to misfire.