out of boredom, I've decided to marathon aldnoah zero and

>>14527665
So outside your immense shit taste what's your point before you get bombarded with posts saying why you're wrong.

Its pretty simple actually. S1 followed a enemy of the the week kind of pattern, which i dont find that bad, it was a fun show. S2 took the fanservice and wikipedia-babble to a whole new level and wasnt any fun at all, it was painful right off from the first episode

Nothing's really as bad as the memes make them out to be.

Except for ZZ, that manages to be way worse.

>>14527680
S2 is the exact same shit as S1. Your tastes is just that bad.
>>14527685
He posted it again.

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>>14527680
>S2 is literally the exact same shit as S1
>Yet S1 is somehow fun
The best thing about A/Z is that you can't use the only S2 was bad shtick since both seasons were terrible.
>>14527685
Don't you ever get tired of posting this?

>>14527665
The only thing that made this show fun and entertaining for me was the first arc, watching the s1 finale with /a/, and the entire experience of s2 with /a/.
Otherwise it was pretty mediocre and Slaine managed to somehow surpass and be 10 times worse than Char

>>14527750
>the first arc, watching the s1 finale with /a/, and the entire experience of s2 with /a/.
You are a sad little man. Aren't you?

>>14527756
>You are a sad little man. Aren't you?
aren't we all?
But seriously the first season got really boring when it became
>a knight appears!
>professional soldiers can't stop him
>Inaho uses high school physics
>Inaho wins
for 9 episodes

>>14527778
Technically it was only four times in the span of 12 episodes in the midst of that they didn't really do much of anything with the cast barring Slaine. The problem was how boring the battles were, how shitty the story plot and characters were and how poorly rendered the 3DCG was.

>>14527778
90% of /m/ shows can be summed as

>A bad guy appears!
>Professional solders can't stop him.
>MC uses MC's Special Skill.
>MC Wins.

At least A/Z has the novelty of the main character using his intelligence and cunning instead of superior piloting skills that always, inevitably, come down to simply being faster than the opponent. That's something.

It's more noticeable in A/Z because there is literally nothing else, and the few times the plot threatens to diverge at all from the purely predictable the writers immediately reel it back or pretend it never happened. Every death is fake, every plot twist is either so obvious that it isn't a twist or gets immediately walked back, and every plot thread that's remotely unique or interesting is either forgotten or never resolved. If the writers had at least a little bit of balls then they could have at least made something worthwhile out of it.

I don't get why everyone hates the ending, in particular, so much though. It's not any dumber than anything else in the show. Are people just mad because none of their favored pairings worked out in the end?

>>14527756

Yes, choice in cartoons makes someone sad.

If anything, you're that for caring so much.

>>14527825
>Are people just mad because none of their favored pairings worked out in the end?

from what I saw it wasn't only this but the fact that crutheo's son was pulled outta nowhere.
then there's the whole soap opera the second season had running in it's later half with the Asseylum shenanigans, but the nail in the coffin for me was the ending.
It's so dumb and feels like nothing was resolved properly character-wise or for the setting presented.
Inaho never developed, Asseylum was the typical peace princess, Slaine is somehow made the scapegoat for everything and now there is somehow peace between the earth and vers because they could put a hypergate on earth.

there's just so much I felt could've been done better

>>14527825
>At least A/Z has the novelty of the main character using his intelligence and cunning instead of superior piloting skills that always, inevitably, come down to simply being faster than the opponent. That's something.
Where have I seen this before?

>>14527825
I love the fact that you say all /m/ shows are like this. Really drives your point home how much of a jackass you are.

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>>14527756

>>14528016
He didn't say all /m/ shows were like that

There is a trend for /m/ shows to have a lot of similarities.

/m/ shows are a lot like shows that revolve around a harem in the lack of creativity.

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>>14527825
>At least A/Z has the novelty of the main character using his intelligence and cunning instead of superior piloting skills that always, inevitably, come down to simply being faster than the opponent. That's something.
>nolvety
Which is why its sales dropped hard? Which is why the show is not remembered at all? Which is why not even what's left of its fanbase really wants to talk about?

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>>14528043
>There is a trend for /m/ shows to have a lot of similarities.
There's a trend of similarities in every form of fiction so that's a pointless conjecture to even bring up and if you criticize a show based on how original they are and not based on execution then you're not gonna have a lot to watch. A/Z's problem was not its unoriginality but its overall execution, its problems aren't the same as most mecha and the people who hate it the most are the ones who probably don't watch many mecha anime and got into it based on Urobutcher's name while most everyone who care for the genre saw the cracks from the very beginning.

>>14528052

It's certainly remembered here, because apparently between endlessly regurgitating the same platitudes about Gundam and shows about masked bugmen no-one wants to do anything but bitch and moan about a show that was middle of the road.

Even Valvrave got less attention once it ended, because the only one who gave it any attention was a guy devoted to pushing the show as a hate magnet for two years.

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>>14528082
>It's certainly remembered here
Not really. I think this is the most recent thread since it ended. And it didn't generate much activity while it was airing either. Everyone pretty much agree that the show was shit and a waste of time so there's really not much in terms of discussion to go over and it isn't popular enough to shitpost over.

>o-one wants to do anything but bitch and moan about a show that was middle of the road.

You keep telling yourself that. You've certainly done a good job explaining why.

>Even Valvrave got less attention once it ended
No it didn't. Before A/Z it was a benchmark for how to not make a mecha anime, granted Valrager helped the cause but people here were legimately upset with it while most people dropped A/Z after the first season and didn't bother with the second.

>>14527685
The new maymay is that ZZ is good and Zeta is shit.

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>>14527665
Can you see the pic related anon? It's a robobait. It is a poorly crafted pile of shit, but still better than yours.

>>14528103
>how to not make a mecha anime

Oh shut the everloving fuck up, you sanctimonious asshat. Your precious cartoons aren't some kind of inviolable and sacrosanct art form with high standards and fixed dos and don'ts, and the board that lapped up Cross Ange like a cat laps milk has absolutely no right to lecture anyone on the issue of 'quality'.

> I think this is the most recent thread since it ended.

Then clearly you haven't been here very long.

>>14528075
Outside of OVA there hasn't been anything special going on in terms of execution.

There are cracks in all the shows.

>>14528103
>Not really. I think this is the most recent thread since it ended
Why would there be a more recent thread?

>>14528126
>Outside of OVA there hasn't been anything special going on in terms of execution.
What are you talking about?
>There are cracks in all the shows.
Something you can't prove. So I'm gonna give you the dignity of of stepping down before you make a fool of yourself.

>>14528129

Thanks.

Open your trap again when you have something meaningful to say, please.

>>14528126
>Why would there be a more recent thread?
Why are you asking him that question?

>>14527665
OP, glad I'm not alone. I loved Aldnoah! I guess all the hate comes from the fact that as a series it breaks a lot of /m/ conventions.

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>>14528118
>wanting something good regardless of genre means you want something that's art
wew lad. Why the fuck are you even here to begin with?

>Then clearly you haven't been here very long.
Been here for 10 years kid. Discussion on this show has been pretty much dead until recently when I guess some poor sap wanted to bait /m/ with it.

>>14528135
>Something you can't prove. So I'm gonna give you the dignity of of stepping down before you make a fool of yourself.
Definitely there are no cracks in works of fiction that revolve around teenagers in giant robots.

Most shows have to jump through hoops to set that up.

>>14528142
To question why there would be a thread made on a subject while there is an active thread.

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>>14528177
>To question why there would be a thread made on a subject while there is an active thread.
I think you're just illiterate.

>>14528177
Your argument doesn't really hold any water if the "cracks" in the show is based on reality not in the actual writing in the show. That's like saying 0079 sucks because of the notion of using giant robots for war is flawed.

>>14528016
I never understood why /m/ got so angry about this show. Calm your tits, mecha anime is not some sacred type of show you need to defend against shit like "mc is the only one who can do anything" when that is a common problem

>>14528218
You can stop samefagging now.

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>>14528218
I don't understand why you care so much. /m/ has said all they can about this show, why its hated and why its bad back while it was airing, if you still don't understand what's wrong with it and simplifies everyone's issues to just the MC then you really are a lost cause.

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>>14528189
He said there wasn't any threads in a while because the most recent thread is the current one.

That doesn't prove that there haven't been threads in a while.

>>14528194
Cracks are entirely subjective, but yeah someone could hate the concept of a giant robot, because there are better alternatives.

Like the complaint that they could have done better things with the magic drives.

I generally don't care about the characters in mecha shows.

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>>14527665
Good for you that you could enjoy this waste of time and resources.

>>14528222
That's my first post in the thread you faggot. Get a life, you fucking idiot.
>>14528228
>Say I don't understand why /m/ hates a single show so much
>apparently this means I care a lot

Are you actually retarded. Do you have actual, real brain issues.

>>14528229
>He said there wasn't any threads in a while because the most recent thread is the current one.
Thats not what he said at all. Your brain defeinitely broke.

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>>14528103

Wew lad, here's a free (you).

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>>14528229
>Cracks are entirely subjective
Not really. Bad writing is bad writing but to say that a piece of fiction is flawed because its mechanisms wouldn't work in reality is missing the entire point.

>but yeah someone could hate the concept of a giant robot, because there are better alternatives
This is subjective as fuck and goes entirely into the realm of tastes.

>I generally don't care about the characters in mecha shows.
Then you're better off watching clips on YT.

>>14528252
>Not really. I think this is the most recent thread since it ended

>this is the most recent thread since it ended

Yes it is, he didn't say there haven't been any other threads since it ended he just said this is the most recent.

He might of meant to say this is the only thread since it ended, but that isn't true anyways.

Man, mods finally coming in and going "toku is /m/ faggots" is the worst thing to happened this board. Nothing against toku, but it made the shitposters crying about it go on to whine and bitch about actual mecha anime. A crying shame

>>14528266
Showa is objectively shit though.

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>>14528251
If you didn't care you wouldn't have responded. Why don't people think before they post?

>>14528263
>Not really. Bad writing is bad writing but to say that a piece of fiction is flawed because its mechanisms wouldn't work in reality is missing the entire point.
Depending on the piece of fiction it would be.

You haven't really mentioned what you though a "crack" was just what you think it isn't.

>>14528253
Thanks.

Open your trap again when you have something meaningful to say, please.

>>14528273
Okay, you are actually retarded. Holy shit. I'm sorry for your parents, anon, send them my regards. I'm not even shitposting, I truly, truly believe you might have some sort of mental deficiency.

protip: it wasn't the "caring" part that makes you seem like an dumbshit

>>14528270
/m/ shitposting use to be good, stuff besides "hating whatever mecha anime normie anime watchers like"

I miss those days.

>>14528274
>Depending on the piece of fiction it would be.
Like?

>You haven't really mentioned what you though a "crack" was just what you think it isn't.
But I did. You for some odd reason meant something that isn't confound to reality which would make you watching fiction stupid to begin with. That's like going to a pizza restaurant and ordering a pizza and then complain that what you got was a pizza.

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>>14528265
>Yes it is, he didn't say there haven't been any other threads since it ended he just said this is the most recent.
I don't even think you understood what you wrote.

>>14528265
Hey autismo. He's saying that this is the most recent thread in ages which is true how you interpret that as this is the only recent thread is beyond me.

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>>14528275
You forgot your reaction image.
Here, I'll hook you up with one.

I can't believe Aldnoah.Zero is still such excellent bait.

56 posts and 14 posts later, the (you)s keep rolling in.

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Honestly it speaks for itself how "good" this show is when all discussion is not about praising the show or proving how its not as bad as people say but instead all discussion is based on a meta commentary on /m/'s current state. With G-Reco you have people actually discussing the show with A/Z threads you pretty much just have people trying to bait one another.

>>14528305
You actually don't get it. Holy shit. I am amazed anon. You are put me in amazement. I have some some stupid shit on 4chan in my time here, and while you're no the dumbest, you're climbing up there at a rapid pace.

I wasn't joking either please legit send my regards to your parents.

>>14528318
See you've amazed me so much i forgot how to type properly. bravo, good show anon.

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>>14528312
>I can't believe Aldnoah.Zero is still such excellent bait.
>14 IPs
>nobody has actually brought forth anything towards bait just arguing over semantics.

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>>14528317
>With G-Reco you have people actually discussing the show

ayyyyy

>>14528323
>stupid people keep biting the hook

>>14528287
>Like?
Anything with a realistic setting or something that revolves around the idea like Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?.

Apparently a crack refers to plot elements that you don't like and that was already addressed.

The flaws you mentioned were based on real concepts, that one high school student shouldn't be able to take on an army, which happens often enough.

Or that fight scenes were redundant. Which in a lot of shows it involves grunts standing and dying.

>>14528376
>realistic setting
>Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep

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>>14528376
>Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
Is science fiction and isn't really grounded in reality either.

>Apparently a crack refers to plot elements that you don't like and that was already addressed.

Apparently you love to words in people's mouths when you can't make an argument. I didn't even mention any of those topics once more you didn't even bother refuting them. I have seen them come up often in these threads but I've never seen anyone actually defend them.

>>14528386
It centers around the idea of what is an AI vs an actual human.

If you don't have an interest in that there isn't any point in reading the book.

Also what is or.

>>14528394
>Is science fiction and isn't really grounded in reality either.
No it isn't, but the central conflict revolves around artificial intelligence and if you think that is stupid the story holds no merit as the point being argued about.

>>14528413
You do realized you contradicted yourself right?

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>>14528413
>Humanoid mechanical machines used for war is a flawed concept in itself in fictions
>But augmented artificial intelligence versus a human being is acceptable

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>>14528376
>Apparently a crack refers to plot elements that you don't like and that was already addressed.

>The flaws you mentioned were based on real concepts, that one high school student shouldn't be able to take on an army, which happens often enough.

Hilariously enough that also because it stumbles across a number of writing problems that you can't imply to other mech shows since they avoid the same pitfalls which is why you never see people complain about them. I remember you making the enxact same argument in the previous thread and getting shut down quite quickly, now are you gonna say that all mecha shows have this exact same setup or actually delve into what makes A/Z different this time?

>>14528420
Not really the whole idea of what is a flaw is entirely subjective >>14528229

Also you're missing the point.

>>14528427
Whats said above still applies but are you seriously trying to compare AI to trying to use a giant humanoid weapon as equally viable?

>>14528456
>Not really the whole idea of what is a flaw is entirely subjective
Your make an alternative suggestion by sourcing something equally unfeasible which makes you look retarded.

>>14528456
>Whats said above still applies
Not really. They're both not grounded in reality you just prefer one concept to another without just admitting that you just don't like the other not because the mere existence of it is flawed.

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>>14528452
This. I made the exact same argument to all those A/Zfags that insisted that iit was just falling in line with all other mecha shows, which they probably have not seen, and it was better because the MC didn't have a powerful prototype who would have fought that because of that it would lead to more asspulls and writing problems as a result. It's funny how 0079 did so much right despite coming over 30 years prior to A/Z.

>>14528452
>Hilariously enough that also because it stumbles across a number of writing problems that you can't imply to other mech shows since they avoid the same pitfalls which is why you never see people complain about them

>if a show isn't shit on, that means it's good

Cross Ange fags sure are getting desperate

>>14528526
Thanks.

Open your trap again when you have something meaningful to say, please.

>>14528467
I don't think having AI that could pass of as human is completely unfeasible.

Other parts of the setting sure they don't make sense.

the book was brought up to show when the suspension of belief in regards to an idea was essential. The book revolves around the paranoia, if you don't like the concept the book loses most of its draw.

Gundam is a character drama that spends more time thinking about the idea of newtypes than the war machines, which is fine, but it also gives something more to enjoy if the person watching doesn't care for the robots.

>>14528480
That is what it means to be subjective just like the ideas of cracks in the show.

>>14528495
What A/Zfags don't get is that there is concept called suspension of disbelief. People can just about accept everything if you are capable of suspending their disbelief, however the problem with A/Z is that it's setting is that it does things to stop the suspension and make people hyper aware of the fact that it isn't realistic.

Example like you're comparing this with Gundam 0079 or any other Gundam for that matter here is the first sets up the suspension by having them all take place in the far distant future. Making it a time period that people can't reference.

A/Z on the other hand takes place in the current time which gives actually kills suspension of disbelief in it's setting, because people have an idea of what to expect in today's day and age, making it clear that the setting makes no feasible sense. There is simply no time for the society in Vers to have reasonably exist the way it does in the show, and there certainly hasn't been enough time in the timeline for Versians to consider themselves a different race from Earthlings, especially when Versians in the show itself were either born on Earth or are first gen.
That immediately destroys the suspension of disbelief in the setting.

Then there's how Inaho wins his battles is that the information strategies he uses are things that can be found on wikipedia which is publicly accessible, and you could reasonably assume that the military which has supposedly been preparing for the invasion for years would have done some research on their enemy first. Or that anyone else wouldn't have figured it out on their own, and you'd also think that the enemy would have figured out their own weakness and learn to cover for it.The fact that they don't again doesn't help with suspension because reasonably Inaho shouldn't be even the one calling the shots

Now Gundam answer to this is to give their MC an overpowered prototype suit that only they can pilot which means that the enemies don't know how to defeat it.

>>14527665
Why do you like it? What do you like about it?

>>14530543
He already said so in the thread and its for the exact same reason.
>MUH WILD RIDE
>MUH MARY SUE MC

>>14527665
>over here

>no caps

You have to go back.

>>14528010
I don't know. Where have you?
>>14528016
Noted.
>>14528052
I feel like you're trying really hard to make a snarky comeback right here, but you failed to know what the word "Novelty" means and accidentally agreed with me because of it.
>>14529368
I like how you're complaining about the (admittedly stupid) concept of people two generations removed from normal humans considering themselves a superhuman master race, but you undermined yourself by bringing up Mobile Suit Gundam, a show where people one generation removed from normal humans actually are a superhuman master race.

The fact that they set the show in the "current year" is really stupid, but it's only marginally more stupid than shows that set themselves 5-10 years into the future and have hilarious advanced technology in that small span of time. Especially on the occasion that people still watch those shows 5-10 years in the future. Is Patlabor ruined for you now because there weren't actually giant robots in 1999?

It was a really dumb decision to set it in that timeframe, but honestly the only reminders of the "present day" setting are rare and considering that "the past" is obviously more advanced than the real past it's effectively the same any other show in the present/near-future setting where hyper-advanced technology exists. It's trying to be different for the sake of being different, and as is custom for A/Z it's a poorly-implemented novelty that amounts to nothing.

The show was only willing to take risks with things that don't matter, and that's what really makes it bad. Setting it "now" instead of "ten years from now" and having the main character be super-smart instead of super-fast are just cosmetic, but for anything that actually matters they stayed strictly formula. Even then, they might have even gotten away with being just below mediocre if they hadn't included so many fake-outs that were more interesting than the real plot.

>>14530789
Anon, by the time that the Principality of Zeon was formed it wasn't in just 30 years it was actually almost 100. 79 to be exact, since UC 001 was when the colony was first started. In fact the Principality of Zeon. In addition it does take place so far into the future that there's no real world reference to the type of technology they have. In addition it also there also the fact that there really were people who essentially evolved humans known as Newtypes, who tended to come from Space or were raised in space all their lives, so they weren't talking out of their asses, it there really were people evolving from Earthlings, in fact most of the MCs of UC were actually Newtypes. They also weren't first generation settlers like in A/Z.

A/Z though takes place in a time period where there is actually a frame of reference to the available technology at the time, with no real explanation given as to why the technology increased so rapidly since aldnoah is only ever stated to be a power source that was found. This isn't like Macross which actually explains that people found technology and remnants of an ancient civilization and then used that as a base to increase their own technological output, and even then they still had problems keeping up with alien races. There is no explanation or reason for the technological improvements in A/Z, and enough time hasn't passed to justify it either.

Everything else you're spouting is bullshit, A/Z wasn't taking a risk it was copying other mecha anime but did a half assed job of it.

>>14532081
Evolution takes more than one generation. Normal humans don't have psychic, future-sighted kids. I'm not sure if I have the vocabulary to explain that to you in a way that you can understand, though, since you clearly lack any kind of reading comprehension:

>The show was only willing to take risks with things that don't matter...
>...but for anything that actually matters they stayed strictly formula.
Means essentially the same thing as:
> A/Z wasn't taking a risk it was copying other mecha anime but did a half assed job of it.

But you're throwing this out like you're some kind of master debater who totally burned me when you obviously just saw more than one line of text and jumped straight to, "Nuh-uh ur wrong!"

>>14532151
Like I said suspension of disbelief, in reality evolution takes longer, which is why uses some fantastical elements to make you divorce it from realty.

What more do you wish to hear? Your inherent belief that A/Z took risks is a false one, since all they did was utilize tropes that other works in sci-fi not just mecha have used for years, albeit used more competently.

A/Z didn't take a risk what they did was use the alternate history trope, it's a tried and true formula the fact that they botched it, shows the quality of writing in the series itself or rather the lack thereof.

If you think that A/Z took risks or did anything new, then you need to be exposed to more sci-fi.

>>14530543
>>14530563

uh, no. if anything, inaho's complete apathy was borderline autistic, although asseylum whined less than kudelia or any other peace princess, so that's a plus. too bad s2 was a letdown

and yeah, while I don't think of it as MUH WILD RIDE, I liked s1's sequence of events and pacing, like one long story arc instead.

>>14527665
I enjoyed it too, OP.

The keyword here is expectations.

>>14527665
>40 years of anime
>Watches Aldnoah

/m/

>>14533298
well, yeah. after reading what people talk about here, I expected it to be crap, and s1 was pretty decent. s2 _was_ crap, though.