Star Trek Beyond is getting a bunch of positive reviews. I wasn't

>>14513273
>Getting hyped when you know you're just going to be disappointed

YOU ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME

>>14513273
The trailer was enough to tell me that it's shit.

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>getting hyped

don't do this.

You remember what happened last time you did this.

And the times before that.

>>14513273
This is the same group of critics that said BallBusters is a good movie. Not to mention they praised The Wrath of Khan: Plagiarized Version by Abrams

I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them.

>>14513546
Gotta get paid by Paramount, you know.

>>14513273
>Star Trek Beyond is getting a bunch of positive reviews
hahahaha yeah whatever

Just started DS9, I think Quark and Garak will be my favorite characters with Odo in third place.

>>14513713
You're probably right.

Big budget movies always get positive reviews before they're released because bribery. Wait until it's actually out an you get audience feedback. I predict it will end up somewhere in the 50-60% range within a week of release.

>>14513273
Ghostbusters also got good reviews. Reviews mean nothing now because are too scared of offending someone.

>>14513546
>ballbusters

are you really this mad my guy

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>>14513273
It really can't be worse than any other trek movie, really

I used to think Into Darkness was the worst one, but then I finally watched the Undiscovered Country

>>14513849
>>14513801
>>14513546
ffs when was the last time you watched the original ghostbusters? It's kinda middle of the road shit desu

>>14513879

>crewman in the back is in the middle of reacting to the fucking bridge going up in smoke
>captain is just sitting there not trying to fix anything

Woman captains everyone.

>>14513879
>>I used to think Into Darkness was the worst one, but then I finally watched the Undiscovered Country
I hope you meant The Final Frontier because Undiscovered Country is great.

>>14513897
It's all according to keikaku, don't panic.

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>>14513713
I'm watching DS9 for the second time and I find myself liking Odo less than I did the first time. Quark and Garak are always top tier, though.

>>14513915
yeah wtf undiscovered country is second only to wok

The Chase really explained a lot, now I know why most xenos look similar.

>>14513879
what the fuck is going on on that LCARS screen?

>>14513879
Speaking of Star Trek Online, they finally added the Kelvin Constitution and the Kelvin Vengeance.

A new deal was forged that allowed them to incorporate JJ Trek. And it was extremely successful, going by all those Kelvin Connies and Vengeances flying about.

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>>14513292
>>14513541

man I remember when I used to get hyped for things.

I used to read all the post release information before excitedly going to bed to dream of what may be

I used to talk about it with my classmates and even my teachers who would listen

for months on end I counted the days with bright eyed optimism

never again.

>>14513273
/tv/ is that way ->

>>14513879
Not any of them, I watched it again right after seeing the 2016 movie. It's still a good movie.

2016 is about on par with Ghostbusters 2 IMO. It's has a lot of flaws but it's still decent. I just wish it could have come about without flinging accusations of sexism at everyone.

Take this with a grain of salt...but I've heard the ending is kinda Macross-y with the power of song.

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>>14513879

>The Undiscovered Country
>worse than Into Darkness

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>>14514111

the only people saying anything about sexism are the people desperate to try and hide the flaws of their shitty soulless rehash gimmick dependent movie.

any time someone says anything they just look to the one or two shit heads whining about vagina instead of the thousands of actual fans with legit criticisms and complaints regarding the people involved's body of work, the blatant disrespect for the franchise and it's fans and the low brow sad attempt of humor.

The comic book not only did the girl busters, it did it well by writing them as actual characters and not as a marketing excuse.

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>>14514117
I thought Kirk's new jacket was looking a little U.N. Spacy-ish.

>>14514138
goddamn, Nutrek really nails sexy design in all areas doesn't it

>>14514136
Honestly, the worst part about it is that a lot of young women, particularly the ones that frequent a certain blogging site, cannot tell when their insecurities are being exploited for money.

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>>14514195

People are so desperate for any kind of acceptance they refuse to acknowledge the good things they already have and instead of working to get those pushed they settle for whatever mainstream tripe they can get their mitts on.

>>14514197
That's the other thing. They prey on the ignorance of the general public too.

It's helped along because comics barely ever get advertised and Extreme Ghostbusters will probably never be available legally.

>>14514222
The worst part is they turn anything into more victimization publicity. Leslie Jones, the girl Winston this go round? She's busy making a big deal about all the racist tweets she gets, and so there's outlets making a bigger deal out of it because muh soggy knees and racism. Nevermind that this happens to pretty much any black woman in the middle of the public eye. Hell, a lot of black girl threads on the red boards end up that way. It's just what goes on, not some special thing to her or this movie.

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>>14514222

and if they do get mentioned it's people saying shit like

>SEE THERE WHERE GIRLS

Yes, there where which is the whole point. Instead of pushing these new shitty ones hiding behind controversy push the good wins fans would actually like to see.

I mean Im sure most sane girls would much rather see one or two great girl busters than 4 mediocre to shit ones.

Write a real story that respects the franchise. How great would it have been to have a movie about say a grown up Baby Oscar, Kylie and a couple new people actually taken over the reigns from the OG busters.

You wouldn't even need all the original actors. Just have Rey take up the Egon role from EGB. You could even pay homage to Harold Ramis somewhere.

I can easily picture a scene where one of the new busters goes to use Egon's old locker and Ray tells him to use any one but that one and then scene moves on.

Ghostbusters 3 could have been really something if only they cared.

>>14514237
Twitter is probably the worst thing that has ever happened to the relationship between celebs and regular people.

>>14514255
Personally, all want and hope for a proper Ghostbusters III died with Harold Ramis.

>>14514262

It was pretty obvious that neither Ramis or Murry wanted anything to do with it. Ernie Hudson would be happy for the work and Dan Akyroid is insane.

and as much as I do like Ray and Winston, they weren't the ones putting asses in seats

>>14513978
Why would anyone like Odo in the first place? Fucking. ODO..

>>14514340
I like Odo.

>>14514340
Why not? He's a good character, just socially awkward. I just rewatched Things Past, and that was a great Odo episode.

>>14514350

A good character isn't always a likable one.

>>14513978
>Quark and Garak are always top tier, though.
my brother from a different quadrant

I'm rewatching DS9 on netflix and I don't really find the problem with Odo, he's supposed to be a stiff, awkward character.

and is it just me or are the "child" character in DS9 (nog and jake) serves a better purpose than wesley ever did?

>>14514556
>and is it just me or are the "child" character in DS9 (nog and jake) serves a better purpose than wesley ever did?

Nog and Jake for any fault they had weren't supposed to be some kind of Wunderkind. They where actual characters who despite being young grew over time.

The problem with Wesley was that alleged professionals always where getting the stupid stick so Wesley could save the day.

>>14514195
A lot of young PEOPLE in general cannot tell when their insecurities are being exploited for money or publicity. Just look at Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matters, ISIS, gamergate - it's all based on the same principles.

>>14514138
Kinda looks like the Enterprise jumpsuits if you ask me.

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Is there even a badly written character within the cast of DS9? It's like everyone got development and avoided common pitfalls. Even Rom and Nog got a lot of depth throughout the series. And of course, this badass. DS9 was good to Klingons.

>>14514621
I know. I'm just saying that this is one of the more obvious examples, although far FAR more innocuous than the examples you listed.

>>14514646

Dukat in the later series'.

>>14514673
but the man was understandably desperate though, he went from the most powerful person in his world to a persona non grata almost overnight

>>14514646

Jadzeiah is kind of annoying and Ezri never...really evolves though I blame that more on the show ending

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>>14513879
>I used to think Into Darkness was the worst one, but then I finally watched the Undiscovered Country
>when was the last time you watched the original ghostbusters? It's kinda middle of the road shit [I'm a newfag who got caught by the word filter]
Here's your (you)

>>14514222
Extreme Ghostbusters is what happens when you create a PC/SJW driven cast, but put competent writers in charge to make their differences not be their defining points.

But yeah, with what Sony is doing with Ghostbusters, even if the movie is a complete failure, I expect them to try and pretend both cartoon series don't exist so they can promote their little movie universe.

>>14514262
You have the Ghostbusters Video Game for that, granted if you look at it like a movie, it's in need of a lot of editing.

>>14514646
Jadzia was pretty bland because she was not her own character, just the slug that shacked up in her which boxed her in development wise. At least Ezri had to come to terms with what happened because she wasn't prepared for it. Although her development had to be rushed because the series was ending so she got some really garbage episodes.

>>14514701
>just the slug that shacked up in her which boxed her in development wise.
mostly this, this was a character that while supposedly unique has had 300 years of experience being just about everything.

>>14514701
I've seen most of Extreme Ghostbusters, so I already know about that stuff.

Also, it seems that Sony is finally doing more releases of The Real Ghostbusters, so maybe hope isn't entirely dead.

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>>14514694
>>14514701
Jadzia was top tier. She really did seem like the culmination of multiple lives in one person. She was really mischievous, witty, a horndog, badass, confident, wise, experienced and great officer. Ezri on the hand was the exact opposite, a total mess of a person. Both were really good characters.

>>14514701
>Extreme Ghostbusters is what happens when you create a PC/SJW driven cast, but put competent writers in charge to make their differences not be their defining points.
That was behind the folks who did things like the MIB and Godzilla animated series, wasn't it? From what I recall their track record was surprisingly consistent.

>>14514340
>not wanting to fuck a slime

>>14514815
Yeah, Adelaide Productions. They also did Big Guy and Rusty, Jackie Chan Adventures, Spectacular Spider-Man and even The Boondocks. They're a pretty solid company.

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>>14514701
That's what really pisses me off about some of these SJWs. They go on about inclusion shit like it's never been done before, wholly ignorant of how rife the 90s were with rainbow ethnic teams. Power Rangers, the Planeteers, hell the Burger King Kid's Club. And they even, yes, included handicapped people! But somehow without being completely obnoxious about it!

>>14515313
they just said "hey including people is cool" not "YOU FUCKING SHITLORD WHY ISN'T EVERYBODY THE WAY AMERICAN COLLEGE KIDS LIKE ME SAY AND ONLY LIKE THAT FUCK YOU DIEDIEDIE"

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>>14515315
>DIEDIEDIE

Now I am imagining Reaper, in his off time, being an insufferable SJW online.

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>>14515313
I think the issue with sane 'SJWs' is that the united states has sort of moved into an era where the actual level of racism and sexism in the country is visible thanks to widespread cameras and social media, etc. So while it was all good shit in the 90s teaching kids about equality, the reality of today makes at least a moderate resurgence of care about inclusion just logical.

Plus it's true that there should probably be more female-led stupid action movies. I mean I can barely think of like 5 compared to hundreds of male-led ones.

What I'm saying is, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater over insane tumblr SJWs. There are actual problems out there even if it seems ludicrous at first to you or me. It took me a while to realize that.

>>14514197
To be fair, I think people glaze over pretty hard and draw blanks at the thought of 90's cartoons.

I feel it's a lost generation of animation at this point.

>>14515825
>lost generation
I'll say, just look at all the 90s anime that still isn't subbed, plus even when some 90s cartoons get releases, they tend to either get the bare minimum, don't even get full show releases, or both at the same time (looking at you, Buena Vista DVDs).

>>14514748

Jadzia was a miserable self absorbed cunt

>>14515351
>This, my male privilege, is my curse...

Why people say that Toku isn't /m/
But no one says Star Trek isn't/m/

>>14516097
Spaceships and sci-fi are closer to /m/ than karate bugmen

>>14515774

We also live in a time where the most outrageous version of any given point of view is the one that gets retweeted.

Reasonable arguments and studies don't go viral.

You know what goes viral? A video of a protester screaming at a camera so hard that she visibily shits herself but she doesn't care and she just keeps ranting and the people next to her have clearly noticed and are trying to distance themselves but she just keeps pressing after them and refuses to stop her rant.

THAT, or the nearest approximation of it, is the version of your point of view that everyone else in America is exposed to. The media only shows the absolute most batshit examples of the Left to the Right, and of the Right to the Left. Notoriety has been confused with fame, and celebrity has become synonymous with authority.

Its an insane, manipulative, toxic environment that makes any kind of discourse or compromise almost impossible to approach, much less achieve. And the worst thing is it didn't even get this way because of some evil conspiracy. We, the people, chose this path one step at a time, and the 24 hours news cycles can only be blamed for giving us what we wanted.

>>14516040
>I am a miserable self absorbed cunt
I fixed your typo for you.

>>14516256
> A video of a protester screaming at a camera so hard that she visibily shits herself but she doesn't care and she just keeps ranting and the people next to her have clearly noticed and are trying to distance themselves but she just keeps pressing after them and refuses to stop her rant
Is that legit? Sounds hilarious, got the link?

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>>14516272

No. Its not a real thing.

But thank you for being the most prompt proof of my point I could have hoped for.

>>14514097
They actually put lensflare on the unique bridges those ships have, the madmen.

>>14516285
Funny video =/= political discussion. I don't hate either side for having those kinds of people because for every screaming SJW there's a ranting /pol/fag. I only pay attention to exactly what the candidates/politicians/etc say, ignoring the media middleman. That's how I intend to continue.

Even still, seeing someone scream so hard that they shit themselves is always a good time.

>>14516315

I meant more in the fact that 'this is what goes viral'.

You're right. It would be a funny video. I can't fault anyone for wanting to see it. But the fact that's the sort of thing that reaches the public eye and the real news does not is a sickness. And not an easily treatable one.

Its the social media equivalent of the tragedy of the commons. No one is being malicious, but the end result is bad for everyone.

>>14516365
I see what you mean. This year it seems the politics have followed heavily in those footsteps, looking for attention above all else. And now I don't know if we can ever go back to how it was.

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Michael Eddington was a good boy.

>>14518590
Siskos tantrum about Eddington was GOAT tier

They made Sulu gay as a homage and even joked around.

Also that final ship fight was MACROSS as fuck. And Jaena a qt.

>>14519114

didn't that piss off Takei

>>14519114
That seems kind of dumb, the character and the actor are two different people.

>>14519298
Dunno, the only thing relating to Sulu I can remember is he didn't want the character seen using a katana just because he's asian so he told the directors he, Takei, was a trained fencer so they would go that direction instead he wasn't, but instead rushed off to quickly get some training as a fencer before the episode was to be filmed in order to carry off the ruse

>>14519298
>>14519306
eh honestly it didn't bother me much since it wasn't in your face, also the daughter is a nice homage to one of the Trek films

>>14519306
The modern movies giving their sulu a retractable katana really was pretty retarded, who thought that was a good idea?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ArVBL8EgKU

>>14519337
>The kids like super cool action super heroes let's do that with Star Trek of all things.

>>14519355
Patrick Stewart got the writers of one of the movies to put in a dunebuggy shootout-chase with some primitive Mad Max fuckers just because he personally loves dune buggy racing, even though it completely shat all over the prime directive and they could have achieved their goals in a much simpler and less combative fashion.

I will say one thing about Nutrek; Both movies have a GOAT OST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ig4LlRojfY

Also I actually really liked the first one

>>14513273
Critics liked the 2009 movie and Into Darkness as well though. I'm sure it will be a fine movie just not a good Trek movie.

>>14519450
I thought critcs hated Into Darkness

>>14519462
It's got a 72 on Metacritic and 86 on rotten tomatoes so it's pretty well liked.

>>14519377
The less said about the entire TNG movie franchise, the better.

>>14519450
Into Darkness was one of those films where the longer people thought about it the more they realized they hated it. At least Beyond seems to be a lot less dreary by most accounts.

Still as you said, it's more its own thing than it is Trek.

>>14519450
>and Into Darkness

No they didn't.

>>14519510
>>14519476

>>14518590
Eddington did nothing wrong.

>>14519527

He got on The Sisko's radar.

>>14519114
>Macross as fuck
Oooh, can you elaborate? I'm interested now.

I unironically like Abram's Star Trek and you can't stop me.

>>14519771

You are welcome to your shit opinion.

>>14519769
They played music to disrupt the enemy swarm that was attacking a space colony while towards said swarm.

Then the colony received the transmission and played music too all over to kill off the clinging swarms.

>>14519802
Oh shit. I have to see this. The first one wasn't bad, especially since I don't care about Star Trek. I haven't seen the second one, I'll have to check this out.

>>14519782
honestly I'd argue this film isn't a JJA film since he didn't direct or write it. It's better than the first too JJA films.

I swear, the JJ-verse Enterprise probably has the worst track record of any Trek ship to carry the name.

>heavily damaged during the battle with the Narada on its maiden voyage
>trashed to the point of needing a total overhaul during the fight with Khan only a year later
>after a year of repair, totally destroyed two and a half years later

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>>14519527
IMO Starfleet were the problem in that situation. They were screwing over their own populace to appease spoonheads. And the whole situation between Sisko and Eddington was completely personal, Sisko was just mad because he was betrayed.

Eddington was a good boy. He didn't do nothing.

>>14519440
Best track imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj6bERITNzE

>>14519560
>>14520309
FUCKING CANUCK SHIT

>>14520279
Did you expect sunshine and rainbows to come out of fucking with the timeline?

It's like the ship equivalent of rapid aging, it's being smacked across the hull with a plot:timeframe ratio far past the tolerances of any Federation spoonship.

Shit, just break the girl's back, why don't you?

Can someone help me understand why the Nu-Trek is bad? Is it because it's too action-y?

>>14520795

It's because it relies far too heavily on Trek nostalgia without going to the necessary lengths to build the character drama that made that nostalgia matter

You can't just Have Cummberbatch say he's Kahn like it's a tremendous deal when the Nu Enterprise has never even met Kahn as an example.

It's just references wrapped up in lens flare and blockbuster destruction

>>14519450
>>14519496
The biggest problem with Into Darkness is that it's both not a good Trek movie and the entirety of it depends upon parasitically leeching off of one of the best Trek movies.

And it didn't have to. The whole plot about federation weapons build up and so on, while not really a good Trek plot, is honestly not so bad in the universe constructed with the first one. But then they not only tack Khan on, they proceed to tack literally the same fucking plot and plot beats from Wraith on to the last third of the movie, completely destroying the pace of it.

They could've done something fun and interesting, with Kirk and Spock deciding to let Kahn and his people go, despite the federations fears and the prejudices against them being born and bred warrior conquerors, with Kahn agreeing to part peacefully. Maybe setting up some sort of future plot. There was absolutely no reason to completely retread the conflict from Wraith and its climax. It was a completely waste of the potential of an AU. Not to mention to retardation of the magic super human healing blood.

>>14521464
>implying Kahn wouldn't warmonger if left alone

I actually think the biggest mistake ID made is not having the balls to kill off Kirk.

And I don't mean "rehash Search for Spock for the next film." I mean fucking status quo blown to bits no going back dead.

It would have been a better way to end the twisted perversion of WoK, in having the aftermath of the Kahn arc be even more devastating than it was in the prime time line.

>>14521464

They could have made him his own villain. Cummberbatch is a pretty solid actor. He plays a great villain. If they weren't so busy trying to tack Kahn shit onto it they could have made a great new villain that stands alongside him instead of a cheap imitation.

>>14514694
>Jadzeiah

Jadzeiah was interesting and got better with time , the dynamic between her and Sisko , carrying the memories of Sisko's former mentor , and being an expert in Klingon martial arts and then the Worf thing later on

>>14521603

her relationship with Worf was insufferable.

>>14521533
I was totally on board with the idea that he might have been a different augmented human and that Khan was either dead or still frozen before I saw the movie, but no they had to go with Khan.

Everything about Into Darkness was a mistake in one way or another. It was bad enough the movie itself was dumb but then it was full of references that felt insulting because it didn't seem like the people making the movie even understood the references they were trying to make.

>>14521613
>her relationship with Worf was insufferable.

just like how it was suppose to be , a cultural clash

>>14521669

it's not a cultural clash it's them having zero romantic chemistry and her being a self absorbed cunt

>>14521629
>I was totally on board with the idea that he might have been a different augmented human and that Khan was either dead or still frozen before I saw the movie, but no they had to go with Khan.
so much this
they wake up Bennie, he's all "oh hey thank god you guys are here, that's Khan (cut to footage from TOS of Montlebahn sleeping) I'll kill him right now smashsmashsmash hey guys what's the prob he was evil I'm just some guy gotta go with this admiral kthxbye" and then it turns out he's really Jimmy Asshole who only lost to Khan because of some resource issue but was a jillion times worse

>>14521613
>>14521690
I'm pretty sure you're that guy obsessed with Ezri.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdQcGzbpN7s

Quark is great

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Beyond is a hell of a lot of fun. And if you're worried about fan-service overriding the movie, the only big moment is at the very very end, the rest is barely noticeable.

Also

>That's a good choice
>mfw

My biggest hope is that JJverse Star Trek stays as a movie franchise while prime Star Trek is used for new TV series.

>>14522289
>while prime Star Trek is used for new TV series
Isn't that happening? Or did I misunderstand some rumor someone posted?

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(2017_TV_series)
Nope, though all it says is that it's not related to the JJ movies, not specifically anything about its possible ties to the old universe.

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U U
U U

>>14522668
I hope we get a captain as bad ass as Sisko for the new show.

I just saw Beyond. It's pretty good. It's still a nu-Trek movie, but it feels like a nu-Trek movie written by people who like old-Trek.

It feels like someone at Paramount gave the Star Trek: Insurrection script to Simon Pegg and Doug Jung and told them to rewrite it in a week and make it not suck - and they succeeded.

>>14522752

>It feels like someone at Paramount gave the Star Trek: Insurrection script to Simon Pegg and Doug Jung and told them to rewrite it in a week and make it not suck

This a thousand times. The villains are basically the antagonists from Insurrection spliced with an OC Donut Steel version of The Borg.

>>14522822
And then, surprise twist, they're actually MACOs from Enterprise.

>>14522831

The Enterprise references were nice. I don't like that show, but it's still a part of the canon even in the Kelvin timeline and the light mentions here were just a solid bit of grounding for the old fans.

This movie was fucking great. It actually felt like watching an episode of TOS unlike the last two. This is what I wanted from nuTrek after the 2009 movie. I loved all the additions to the cannon and hope that the new alien chick is on the Enterprise somehow in the next movie.

>>14522712
I doubt. DS9 was a product of the 90s.

>>14522842
I felt the same way. It was strangely satisfying to have previous lore referenced in an unexpected way.

>>14521464
>They could've done something fun and interesting, with Kirk and Spock deciding to let Kahn and his people go, despite the federations fears and the prejudices against them being born and bred warrior conquerors, with Kahn agreeing to part peacefully. Maybe setting up some sort of future plot.

That would just be a rehash of the ending of "Space Seed".

>>14525705
They were rehashing it to begin with.

>>14525767
Then why is that rehash more fun and interesting?

>>14525789

Probably because your ADD rattled mind likes all the pwetty expwosions

I keep hearing it's a Macross type ending.

Can anyone confirm?

>>14525705
Not really. Space Seed has them exiling Kahn and his people (and that hilarious nurse or whatever) to a planet to live out their lives because they felt a certain sympathy for people who no longer had a place in the galaxy but also because they were assholes who tried to take over their ship. So they weren't just going to "let them go," they stuck them on a planet where they believed they could live on their own without hurting anyone else. It came back to bite them in the ass, but still.

It's been awhile, but no one aside from Kahn did anything wrong in Into Darkness and up until Kahn turned on them, he was being blackmailed with the safety of his people. If we cut out the Kahn turning on them plot, there outcome of Into Darkness is much different from Space Seed. There's no particular reason Kahn having to work together with legitimate Federation personnel couldn't be good catalyst for him and his people not trying to just take over everything by force immediately upon waking up. The whole conceit of the JJverse is that things have been shaken up enough that they don't have to play out like they did before.

Or at least that's what I considered to be its biggest potential. If you want to work something topical in like classic Star Trek, turn it into a subplot about the difficulties of reintegrating military personnel into civilian life. Especially since this Federation is explicitly more militaristic and there's actually "a place" for Kahn and his people. But it's one where they'd be among other people and there's still a need to temper being tyrant conquerors.

I'm not saying it's the best idea or that I've fully thought it out, but as it is Into Darkness is just a waste of potential and a lazy retread of things it didn't need to be.

>>14525806
If only because it uses music, sure.

The crew found out that the enemy fleet was moving somewhat like a hive so they think that it requires heavy communication to be that coordinated, so they started blasting Beastie Boys on a specific frequency and most of the enemy ships exploded except the big bad's.

Also, Jaylah is cute!

CUTE!!

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;_;7

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>>14525806

They literally use the power of rock and roll to destroy the not-Borg. There's a technobabble justification for why they have to do it, but at the end of the day the power of Sabotage saves the day, and it's even better because you see the crew members very subtly tapping their toes and bobbing their heads to the song as it's all going on.

>>14525823

The whole Old Spock storyline was excellently handled.

>that speech nuSpock gives where he talks about how oldSpock lived a rich and exciting life and he wants that for himself too

;_;

>>14521533
>They could have made him his own villain. Cummberbatch is a pretty solid actor. He plays a great villain. If they weren't so busy trying to tack Kahn shit onto it they could have made a great new villain that stands alongside him instead of a cheap imitation.

All it would have taken to improve it would have been if he really was "John Harrison", another one of the augments who got unfrozen first instead of Khan.

You'd get the same effect without the Khan stuff being irritating.

>>14513273
More apparently they are making a new Trek tv show. Will probably turn out ass though.

>>14514097
They also hid a lensflare tribble in the Kelvin timeline mission too (when on the ship bridge, do the mission up to leaving then look for the replicator type thingy near the droid... feed the item to a standard tribble, wait an hour in game, free lensflare tribble)

>>14525850
Nicholas Meyer being involved is pretty promising. This movie being good gives me hope too, even though they aren't really related.

>>14525823
I actually did tear up when they showed that photo

watched Beyond yesterday, it had some good things in it, the bit where nuSpock shoed his admiration of Spock was well done and this >>14525823 made me cry a little but but overall I find the movie to be a disappointing experience.

>>14525914
forgot to add, the guest casts like the admiral and Idris Elba are actors that could have been better characters but ended up being severely underused to make way for a more action focused movie, Elba's character could have been someone that would makes Kirk question his standing as a starfleet officer, considering how in the beginning he finds life as a captain to be dull, but instead it was just a little more than a passing comment.

I still love Karl Urban's McCoy though

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>>14525931
>I still love Karl Urban's McCoy though

But in all seriousness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZrsJsvL30g

Kinda wanna cut out of work early to catch it.

>they actually pull a DANCE OFF BRO to beat the villain

Star Trek is dead.

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Anybody else disappointed by how beta Montgomery Scottie is with his alien girlfriend? Spends the whole movie trying to manage her mood swings, then Kirk intrudes on their biggest private "emotional" scene, then she hops on the back of Kirk's motorcycle for the action sequence while Scottie's stuck back on the ship. Then at the end Scottie white knights her into Starfleet... but Scottie getting even so much as a kiss is not remotely implied. Cold. And Simon Pegg wrote this shit himself? How much of a cuck is he now?

Also she was a boring "strong female character" cipher with no actual personality. She's tougher than Scottie, a MAN! And she's better than him at fixing things!! Amazing.

At least she had the cute speech impediment thing. One of the movie's few redeeming features. Two stars.

>>14527733
"Girl who is best at everything," is going to be a stock Hollywood character for a while so get used to suffering through it.

>>14527733
Why does she have hershey's syrup all over her albino face

>>14527742
It's sad because I actually wanted to like her. But in order to satisfy their PC quotient they have to remove all traces of actual personality from the characters they do this to. The same thing happened to Sulu in this film. Since he's gay, he has to be an absolutely boring angel. The irony of "social justice" in fiction is that it deprives women and minorities of nuanced, human, genuinely interesting roles. The only interesting and complicated characters in this film were Kirk, Spock and Bones... White men.

>>14527755
that's bukkake from Scottie's little alien assistant guy

>>14527763
Only white males are flawed, goy

>>14521603
>>14514748
That's only because of the slug. Moment it got removed she lost all the confidence and was scared shitless. If we got to know more about Jadzia without Dax. (Only that Dax had a hard on for her so that's why he rejected her as a host in the first place.) Then it might have been something. Instead they just put in all the 'ick' stuff onto her, like her own relationship with Klingons.

>>14519377
Considering how much of a train wreck Nemesis was and it already shit on the lore, might as well let Stewart have his fun.

>>14520309
Didn't watch The Wounded? Even if it meant screwing over their own colonists, the whole point of it was to maintain the fragile peace and not get into another war with the Cardassians. Of course because they just got out of a massive and bloody war with them, a lot of Starfleet would not be happy about the idea of screwing over their own people in favor of the Cardies. But from Starfleet Command and Picard's perspective, it was worth it to keep another war from breaking out. Okay, a war did happen, but that was only after Dukat decided to join the Dominon and throw a massive party for them in the Alpha Quadrant.

>>14519082
Also shows how flexible Sisko is with his own oath to the Uniform. People like Eddington or Hudson betray the uniform? All bets are off and he'll hunt you to the gates of hell. Sisko decides to piss on the uniform himself by launching planet alternating chemical weapons, or getting a high ranking Romulan Senator assassinated after giving him falsified intel? Ends justify the means.

It made him human and Roddenberry would have never have allowed it.

>>14525133
Also it would depend on if the Captain has a beard.

>>14516097
One uses hard or at least plausible science to have robots and androids. The other one doesn't have robots or uses magical girls power.

>>14525884
As long as he hasn't drank the SJW kool aid, I have faith in Meyer since II and VI were among the best movies.

>>14528422
>Considering how much of a train wreck Nemesis was and it already shit on the lore, might as well let Stewart have his fun.

That's always been a strange one, because if you read the book by Michael Piller about the making of Insurrection (a really interesting book!) Stewart was engaged and pulled rank and veto'd things in what seemed a genuine drive to make a good movie.

Then in Nemesis it's like "I wanna drive a buggy". Guess he just stopped giving fucks.

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>>14528437
Stewart is a Grade A troll, it comes with being an accomplished theater actor who has a good sense of fun.

Old British people are the best.

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I finally buckled down and started watching Babylon 5. Burned through the first three seasons in a week.

There's a lot of cool 90's Science Fiction shit going on, but holy shit I can't stand Delenn, and every now and then you can just see straight through the character to JMS pounding away on his keyboard at 2am.

No one fucking talks like that, Straczynski.

>>14528887
Oh yeah, I meant to ask, which board is best to talk about B5 on? I've never seen it on here, /co/ or /tv/.

>>14528887
Yeah, Delenn and Sheridan were the weakest parts of B5 to me. The universe seemed to suck their dick too much. Fortunately it's balanced by how great all the other characters are. G'Kar and Londo are the 2 best characters in the show, and probably in the list of best characters in TV science-fiction in general.

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>>14528930
I like Sheridan just because of how cool Bruce Boxleitner is in the role, but yeah, he's written too blatantly as the Space Hero of Legend.and no one ever seems to question or distrust him.

It's a shame about the Sinclair actor, too.

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Can we agree that this is the most retardest movie ever

>Kirk's character arc is that he is bored of peace and by the end of the film learns that the only time he feels alive is when the lives of millions are in peril and he can feel like a hero
>Bad guy's motivations are that he fought people in the military and he can't fight people in star fleet so he decides to use a superweapon that genocides people instead of just fighting them
>Pegg exploits Leonard Nemoy's death to use as a plot point and character development for Spock but it leads absolutely nowhere
>The crew is immediately separated as soon as they arrive so there is absolutely no time for them to grow and develop as characters by interacting with each other so they spend most of the film dicking around
>The Enterprise travels through the dangerous nebula with very little effort and in apparently no time at all
>At the end of the film drone fighter ships apparently have warp drives since they too seem to be able to bypass the dangrous nebula very quickly
>Bad guy is against unity yet his entire army is composed of drones
>Good guys argue that unity is good but the drone army's unity is the very thing that defeats them in the end
>An alien elf girl and a scotsman are able to repair a several hundred year old space ship by the time it takes the plot to move forward even though at the end of the film a time lapse shows an entire crew building a new enterprise
>the Franklin has to be dropped off a cliff to go to the atmosphere for some reason
>they ripped off Mars Attacks to beat the bad guys
>there are many other dumb things but I am tired

>>14529086
you're dumb and wrong FYI

>>14529117
Face it. Nothing happened in the film at all. Everyone went right back where they started from characterwise. Absolutely nothing was accomplished.

>>14529086
Nah into darkness was shite, way way more shite than beyond.

>>14529086
>Kirk somehow thinks that a desk job as a rear-Admiral is more fulfilling than traveling around in a space-ship
>bad guy with a crew of 2 for some reason is able to take over planet full of mining operation drones who somehow have life rejuvenating powers that turn you into an alien for some reason
>The bad guy drone ships don't detect the Franklin's energy signatures when it takes off during the middle of them all leaving to attack the Yorktown even though the Franklin only had a visual cloak
>Alien elf girl's revenge subplot with the subcommander is never resolved
>Alien elf girl does not use clever tricks to beat alien subcommander like it was established earlier and instead just punches him
>Large chunks of boring action scenes and nothing happened in the movie so when the film remembered that it had to wrap up some character arcs it did it all in the last 2 minutes.

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>>14529130
Did you even pay attention to the opening captains log?

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Seen it. Is it just me or does the whole thing feel more... subdued than the previous two flicks? Which is kinda odd because I fully expected a drastic escalation in crazy shit happening from someone who did Furious 8.

Quality of storytelling aside, JJ Treks had better action set pieces tbph.

>>14526926
>Star Trek is dead.

Chekov is, for sure.

Despite what the original trailers looked like and them using the fucking Beastie Boys unironically, Beyond feels more like a real Star Trek movie than both Abrams movies did. I agree with some other people, it feels a lot like an episode of the original series, just shinier.

>>14530097
>he can't stand it
>he knows they planned it

Too bad it's currently flopping. $185 million budget and barely $60 million opening.

>>14528422
Sisko didn't really hunt Hudson, though. He tried to stop him from carrying out an attack that one time in the two-parter, sure. But then he never heard from him again until he learned Hudson had been killed when the Dominion slaughtered the Maquis.

Hudson merely betrayed Starfleet. Eddington betrayed Sisko.

I can buy the events of "In The Pale Moonlight" as being the road to hell paved in good intentions of a man who had seen too much death in a war the Federation was losing. (That, and Garak was the one who assassinated the Senator. And Sisko knocked his ass to the ground when he found out.)

I'll agree that the planet poisoning shit was bad writing. The writers tried to dismiss it with a handwave of having the Cardassians and the Maquis trade planets in the end, but catching Eddington hardly justifies forcibly uprooting an entire planet's population, even if it was just a colony.

>>14530127
Please tell me it's at least beating Ghostbusters.

>>14530198
60 million is better that the shitty ghostbusters reboot did its entire opening weekend

not that beating a retarded cripple is much of an achievement

>>14530198

Ghostbusters had a $144 million budget and box office is a little over $85 million.

>>14513915
I would say that the first movie is worse than final frontier, but those are the only 2 trek movies I didn't enjoy at least somewhat. Probably gonna add beyond to that list though based on these trailers

>>14530127
It's only Saturday, fuckface. Wait until opening weekend is over.

>>14525133
>DS9

basically fuck with O'Briens life every other episode

>>14513304

The trailer lied, mostly.

>>14529278

I like this post

I really liked Yorktown, really neato Space Colony design.

>>14530224

>What if O'Brien was a cloned sleeper agent?
>What if O'Brien died and was replaced by his time-displaced self?
>What if O'Brien spent a lifetime in prison and went crazy, but not really?
>What if O'Brien's wife became (more) evil?
>What if O'Brien loses Molly and ends up with an older feral version of her?
>What if O'Brien was an undercover agent for Starfleet Intelligence?

"Fuck it, let's do all of them!"

And that's just the ones I can remember off the top of my head right now.

>>14530166
>I'll agree that the planet poisoning shit was bad writing. The writers tried to dismiss it with a handwave of having the Cardassians and the Maquis trade planets in the end, but catching Eddington hardly justifies forcibly uprooting an entire planet's population, even if it was just a colony.

Couldn't agree less. Eddington was going to poison every Cardassian colony and his actions would have further raised tensions and probably led to war. Sisko bombed a grand total of 1 planet, with no casualties, and stopped the entire plot. Starfleet was going to give that planet to Cardassians anyway, so it's essentially like nothing happened and Sisko was able to stop Eddington. He did the right thing.

>>14530097
Just went and saw it, I was pretty impressed overall. It's not a Wrath of Khan to be sure, but it might be a The Voyage Home. It's a small story that gives most of the cast something to do that they might not normally get to, and it found a novel way to deal with the same themes that the TOS movies had about Kirk dealing with the fact that he was getting older and wondering about his place in Starfleet, and making it fit even though in this movie he's a lot younger.

>>14530557

Yeah, the whole dynamic is still there in a way despite the massive age difference when the respective Kirks got their Ent-A. It's the nature of their respective Starfleets that's the real difference.

Shatner's Starfleet was slowly turning into a more diplomatic and by-the-book organization that may or may not have had a place for people like him. Granted he's also going through a long midlife crisis during the film series, but the fact is that Starfleet didn't need adventurers as much as it needed ambassadors. His whole post-series character arc was about finding the balance between the two.

Pine's Starfleet is already there. It's more of a disciplined military than the Prime Starfleet and Pine-Kirk constantly gets himself into trouble because he doesn't like playing by the rules. His whole character arc in Beyond is about what that gung-ho overconfidence gets him and I expect we'll see a more mellow and reasonable Kirk in future films.

> 4th reboot film is already greenlit with most of the cast and crew returning
Jesus, I kinda figured it'd drop after it finished the trilogy.

>>14530717
They arent recasting Chekov though.

My guess is they are actually gonna do something with the Klingons.

I didn't even know Idris Elba was in the film

>>14530752
>They arent recasting Chekov though.
I'd mark the fuck out if they brought in that guy who replaced Chekov in TAS

>>14530782
Dude was under a fuckton of makeup for most of the movie

The new show is Star Trek Discovery, it's set between Enterprise and TOS. /tv/ hates the ship, but I really like it. What do you guys think?

https://youtu.be/QGsuM31IC-Q

>>14531459
I'm not particularly fond of the Delta Wing design there, but maybe it'll grow on me.

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>>14531459
Disgusting design.
>it's set between Enterprise and TOS
Fucking stop making prequels.
Hopes deleted.

>>14530692
Well more than that, they used Kirk now being a year older than his dad had been when he died as a means for Kirk to feel the same discomfort about the passage of time, and questioning whether he should still be a captain or become an admiral and leave the chair behind that Shatner's Kirk had felt.

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>>14531459

The explanation for this design better be "The federation stole plan for the Klingon K't'inga class" or the designers are just stupid

>>14531595
It's literally just the Phase II Enterprise

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>>14531600

It does share a lot of design, doesn't it?

The CGI from Babylon 5 looked better than that video.

>>14531595

Now that you say something, it does look a little like the Federation used some Klingon design inspiration.

Maybe the Discovery is some kind of special prototype ship? It would explain why it was docked inside an asteroid.

If the new series doesn't have CGI/effects at least on par with the Expanse, they're making a huge mistake.

>>14531624
see>>14531613

They're reusing Trek Phase II stuff. Interestingly, the design is more or less canon since we've seen the study model used in various ship graveyard scenes, like BoBW and Unification.

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to be fair, Rebels is doing well with recycling old unused McQuarrie designs so why not try it here too

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also it's a bit nitpicky but I'm pretty sure McQuarriePrise is from Planet of the Titans, not Phase II

>>14531459
>on CBS streaming service only
This show will convince absolutely nobody to get a service limited to the IP of one network. Then everyone will just throw up their hands and go "Welp, I guess nobody gives a shit about Star Trek anymore."

Do they want a dead franchise? Because this is how we get a dead franchise. Does nobody remember the UPN+Voyager/Enterprise fiasco? And that was an over-the-air broadcast station, at least where I lived.

Is it just me, or have networks in general gone full retard in the last decade or so?

>>14531836
>Is it just me, or have networks in general gone full retard in the last decade or so?

This is the pattern that occurs when companies are being phased out by a new service and fail to adapt their business strategies. In this case, they are having spasms trying to cope with internet streaming services.

>>14531836
Gotta get that killer app one way or another.

>>14531862
If the new ship looks like it did in that short test video, they won't have to worry about getting a killer app.

>>14531862
A future where every network has their own streaming service is doomed to failure anyway, as it basically ends up becoming On-Demand cable, and the cycle repeats itself. Only this time it's even more of a fortune, because to get all the content you wanna watch, you have to subscribe to a dozen plus different streaming services, and also pay for fast internet service, likely with some bullshit data cap in place costing you even more.

And if even I can see that business model is unsustainable, then for the life of me I can't see how they don't.

>>14531881
>And if even I can see that business model is unsustainable, then for the life of me I can't see how they don't.
Short sighted profit paired with layers of bad management tangled up in competitive workplace bureaucracy.

>>14531836
>Does nobody remember the UPN+Voyager/Enterprise fiasco? And that was an over-the-air broadcast station, at least where I lived.
Yeah as much as Trek can be touted as a proven franchise it also has a pretty solid track record of not really being enough to launch a network going back to Phase II.

>>14531459
Gives me more of prey vibes, the music sells it more, and the sound at the end sounded kind of cloak like.

Like the ship. Also between ent and tos could be a cool thing. I'm cautiously optimistic, and I won't lie I as hoping for post Nemesis.

>>14531459
They didn't say when it's set. Fuller's holding that info back to tease everyone. People are only thinking that because of the ship's registry. It looks like TMP-era tbqh, M. Night Famalan.

>>14530717
Ignoring that they've openly said all along the movies are not a trilogy, why would you think they'd stop? The original cast played their characters for decades.

>>14519440
In my opinion, Ode to Harrison validates Into Darkness.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=feHZDLSHkPM

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>>14514262
>probably the worst thing that has ever happened
depends when you started out, they're in what was predicted on weekend update

>>14514279
>Dan Akyroid is insane
Dan Aykroyd is insane. He co-owns a potato vodka company that puts spirits in a crystal skull.

>>14531459
I may be a weirdo but I like the new design. Like, a lot actually.

Not gonna pay $$$ for a service that for just one show, though.

>>14530538
Tensions? If Eddington pulled off his plan he'd have had the entire Cardassian fleet scouring the DMZ while anoy objections by Starfleet
would have been silenced by pointing at a dozen or so dead worlds. Pretty sure Eddingtons master plan killed most of the
Maquis support inside the Federation with his little bio terror plot anyway.

>>14531671
>>14531674
These were ugly as sin when new, God knows what CBS is thinking though to be fair i can't see this new service doing well even if ST:D (lol) does really well.

I need to see some better views of the Discovery to really form and opinion on it, but it doesn't look -that- bad. Really the only weird part of the design is the massive delta-wing nacelle pylons.

The thing I'm more interested in is the ominous music and the fact that it's hidden away in some secret dock in a fucking asteroid. Why so tense?

STD will only air on CBSs thing in America, for the rest of the world it'll be on Netflix. Hopefully it'll rack up enough views internationally to be renewed.

>>14532518
>STD
Fitting.

>>14531600
It's a bit sleeker than the McQuarrie Star Destroyer with a Saucer Section, which was a genuinely terrible fit for Star Trek.

I'm on the fence with this design. Could have been a whole lot worse but I don't think that triangles were the way to go.

>>14532623
For me it's an alarm bell. If they're so out of new ideas they have to pull a 40 yrar old design out then whats the rest going to be like.

I want Trek back but a i don't want another 10 year hiatus because a series flopped.

>>14513713

>Quark and Garak will be my favorite characters with Odo

They are the only good thing though.

The rest of the series and the whole storyline itself are terrible.

The gigantic space battles everyone raves about are little more than two blobs of ships smashing against each other too. So terrible.

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>>14532670
Okay, Dukat. Time for bed.

>>14531836

Netflix will have it too, broski.

>>14531616

The Babylon 5 space CGI actually looks pretty decent even though it is ancient.

Anything else like in station, composite backgrounds, or pretty much anything with people in it looks absolutely puke worthy though.

>>14532250
> >Dan Akyroid is insane
Dan Aykroyd is insane. He co-owns a potato vodka company that puts spirits in a crystal skull.

That just sounds cool.

>>14532696
he's usually fun spergy sauce nut crazy

>saucer nut
derp
dude's big in to paranormal
supposedly he put the "real" "ghost" "science" stuff in Ghostbusters

>>14513273
>JJ Abrams movies
Garbage

>>14532704
That's the kind of thing this new movie could have used a little more of, to be honest.

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>>14530288
O'Brien was the galaxy's whipping boy.

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>>14531459
>mfw watching this

I like some of the more blocky star trek designs, but I want Star Trek set in the future. No fun without the ferengi.

>>14532773
I agree. I also want to see the what the galaxy is like after the Dominion wars.
>What happens to the Cardassian people after the war
>Seeing Bajor turn into a major power
>Watch the new Negus of Ferenginar build a new way of living - Maybe the Ferengi will start a war or join the Federation

And I'm gonna get shit for this but I hated Eddington. I don't think think the writing was bad, but I HATED they guy who played him.

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>>14532518
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=bqm9HSYbf0o

I want to believe

>>14532773
>>14532789
Yeah, all I want is more of the setting after the dominion war. Star Trek had great world building in DS9, it'd be a waste to never build on that.

>but I HATED they guy who played him.
Do you mean the actor specifically? Or did Eddington himself just annoy you?

btw this is him back in the 80s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndpV6qfQJVw

>>14530752
WELSHIE

>>14531459
>Oh shit, it's the Phase II Enterprise!
>The fuck am I looking at?
>What the hell are those colors?
>Dear god this thing is ugly.

It's shit. I understand they just stuck the Starfleet Emblem onto the saucer and some warp nacelles, but it looks so ungainly and completely unlike the other Federation ship designs.

Having seen STB, I really, really miss the JJ lens flare. Everything just looks a lot more generic without it, even the Enterprise bridge scenes but especially everything that takes place on the Yorktown. It's like if you stripped off the chrome from a vintage car and replaced it with black plastic trim.

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>>14532875
Yeah the actor himself just didn't work for me.

>EHHH THIS WUSNT SUPOSE TO HAPPUN
>THE MAQUIS WE GON BE INDEPENDENT

His mannerisms, voice, and general acting style just got to me. I'm usually not that picky. The only other actor I hated in any Star Trek was this fuck.
>Thank the fucking casting directors this fuck was only allowed in one episode.

>>14532900
I like it mostly for the blockyness

>>14531671
>>14531674
>>14531459
I feel a bit ashame for thinking "at least it's not an Enterprise".


the design could work if Discovery is a design meant to be cheap. Instead of following a flagship we are following what's basically the reliant.

>>14532915
Janeway did nothing wrong. Well, at least not in this case anyway.

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>>14532789
Well there is always Star Trek Online? You can see an exciting new future set 30 years after Hobus where the Klingons are idiots, The Federation are genocidal nut cases, and the Romulans are the only likable faction but have been forgotten about by the developers entirely.

Also in the new expansion it introduces time travel! You can go back in time and see Chris Doohan doing a terrible impersonation of his father as Scotty.

>>14533267
That's true, but I tried really hard to get into ST:O but I just couldn't get into it. Idk, maybe I will try again. The writing in it just made no sense.

>>14531459
Well, this was unexpected. I've never liked the McQuarry design, but this one looks more balanced, with a bigger saucer and nacelles. It could be rationalized as a step between the NX and the original Constitution: the deflector is now in a secondary hull made mostly of nacelle pylons. As the technology advances, the nacelles and the pylons become smaller and thinner, and the secondary hull grows to hold all the equipment, leaving the pylons only for support and energy transfer.

I kind of like it.

>>14533296
>It could be rationalized as a step between the NX and the original Constitution

Only problem with that is the NX-01 Refit exists, and it's a much better looking design (even if the show got cancelled before it appeared)

>>14533267
>Klingons are idiots
Hey now, let's give the klinks their due. They're even more genocidal than the feds along with being backstabbing slavers.

They even have an ongoing mission to investigate rumors of klingon intelligence. So they're trying.

>>14533306
I don't think the refit is canon, even if it was made by Drexler and planned to be. ST's stance has always been that only on-screen material is.

>>14528944
You do realize that B5 spawned Mass Effect right. The ME crew even said several times B5 was one of the largest inspirations on the writing of ME. Sheperd was in part or whole likey based on ol Sheridan there.

>>14532900
I though it was an add on for ST Online with how bad it looked. To be fair it has potential but the color and the CG are ass.

>>14532910
You miss an overuse of sfx that makes it hared to see the damn ship. Wow.

>>14533397
>I though it was an add on for ST Online with how bad it looked.
yeah as much as I'm keen on the MQprise I really hope this is just a rough test model or something and not indicative of the finished effects

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>>14533527
I just praying it was an early CGI mockup because I was able to see the bloody seem line for where they mirrored the ship texture from one half to the other.

right now the decade old fan design is winning by a mile.

>>14533555
You see that looks a fuckload better, Still not great but at least decent.

The whole Saucer glued to a upside down K'Tinga class hull really isnt a joke.

>>14533286
The Romulans have the only half way coherent story in the game.

Everything else has either been"touched up", shuffled around, or straight up deleted for not meeting quality standards. I played it back before it went free to play and there was some potential. Tried it again with this new expansion and I hadn't the foggiest clue what the game what was going on. Also progression was is so quick now it feels really unsatisfying. I know MMOs are all about the end game now but since that isn't anything to write home about either I'm not sure why they wanted to try and rush everyone into it.

>>14533600
They had a good story for Romulous then they stopped developing it in favour of patch after patch of Faction X starts shit because of some
shadowy conspiracy so fly to region Y and stomp em till they stop.

Iconian's being behind EVERYTHING killed STO's plot progression for nearly 2 years.

>>14532634
To me it's kinda the opposite:
It takes gigantic balls to try and field something so unabashedly old and retro, like they might bother to recognize the aesthetic bottleneck that comes from being a prequel to TOS.

I expect the results to be disastrous one way or another, but to think someone might want to consciously avoid the issue of "prequel that looks more advanced than what it's a prequel to" has me intrigued.

>>14533665
Let's not forget that the finale for iconian bullshit had them rampaging around the galaxy killing billions, and your slaving, backstabbing, murderous klink decides to actively help them escape their planet's destruction instead of going along with Sela and solving the problem by...not helping them escape.

Yeah, I'm still mad.

>>14533712
Problem was they'd made the same mistake Bioware did with ME. They massively hype up the scale of the threat without any idea how to pull it off.

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>>14531671
>>14531674
McQuarrie's a revered designer, but that doesn't mean everything he does is pure gold. If they never used this design, it was probably for a good reason (because it's ugly)

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I wish they'd got around to using Probert's original Enterprise C design.

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>>14533873
The Bridge is a lifeboat, it has it's own little fold out warp nacelles.

>>14533866
That looks more like a transition between the Galaxy and Sovereign than an older ship

>>14533876
Ya it's those blue things iirc, right?

Trekyards on youtube has done a few interviews with Probert that are worth checking out. I like how blunt he is about designs.

>>14533880
You only think that because the Sovereign returns to more of a configuration like the TOS enterprise.

The Ambassador is explicitly a mid point between the Excelsior and the Galaxy

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>>14533859
With you on this. I wish those rumors about the show being set in the "lost years" had been true.

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>>14533915
I'd prefer it being after TNG so they could use a sovereign as the main ship. Because goddam is that thing sexy.

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>>14533934
Mmmm yes.

I much prefer how they're so darkly lit and self-illuminating in the movies. The amount of fill light in the TV shows never made much sense to me.

>>14533934
IMO the super spoon is a movie ship through and through.

It's too high class for anything but movie-grade crises.

I don't like how fast they travel in Nu Trek.

Old Trek was already pushing it with their travel times in days/weeks.


>am i the only one that wants to see more sci fi using things like Dune's Guild Heighliners?

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>>14533963

>>14533962
Guild Heighliners travel instantly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb8lBDPi_Qs

>>14534391
DeForest Kelley sounded so old in that game...

>>14528887
B5 has a lot of great things in it, but it's dragged down a lot by a pretty terrible first season and a completely retarded 5th season. Aside from the first 2 all the TV movies are complete garbage, and all their attempts at resurrecting it via a spinoff failed. Such a shame.

>>14533967

>open webm
>mp3 player selects random song right as it starts playing
>Godzilla vs Super X

DAT FEELING

Shit, that was a perfect fit.

>>14531459
>/tv/ hates the ship, but I really like it. What do you guys think?

I like it, too, I have been a fan of the McQuarrie Enterprise design.

I guess, considering it is the 50th birday of Star Trek, they should have made the Discovery the classic Enterprise configuration, people would have liked it more and it would seem more appropriate.

It reminds me of when they unveiled the Turn-A Gundam for the 20th anniversary of Gundam, and a lot of people hated it because it looked so different from the RX-78.

>>14519527

He BETRAYED...HIS...UNIFORM!

>>14534580
YOU DON'T

DESERVE

TO WEAR

THAT

UNIFORM

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>>14534460
I was going to ask if any of the movies are worth seeing/necessary to the plot.

Also, since I'd just seen Season 1, the motorcycle sequence in Beyond felt like a really weird B5 reference.

>>14534711
Here, it's already in everyone's heads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rYhRqf757I

I'm wondering what they're going to do about Chekov moving forward. Say he accepted an assignment elsewhere and replace him with Arex, that three-armed alien from the animated series? Maybe they could introduce him (or an alien like him) and M'ress?

>>14535530
>Arex, that three-armed alien
>three-armed
I can only imagine an OCD Hitler attempting to genocide their entire race

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Just finished the movie. I'd say overall it was pretty good, certainly better than Into Darkness was. Not that is too difficult to do. I like the PTSD angle they worked in and all the Enterprise call back stuff. I will say I am tired of breaking the Enterprise, seriously at this point the "best ship in the Federation" seems like it would be passed over by SBASAF.

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>>14535530
>Say he accepted an assignment elsewhere and replace him with Arex, that three-armed alien from the animated series?
FlareTrek 1 referenced Yesteryear so more TAS doesn't seem impossible.

>>14535545

The Franklin was a neat little ship. It was basically what the NX-01 should have been.

>>14535575
I thought it actually was an NX-01-type ship when I first saw it. It has the same sort of overall shape to it, and using it as basically an emergency replacement Enterprise was neat.

>>14535580
>>14535575
It's basically an NX-01 missing a couple chunks and more dihedral on the warp nacelle pylons, if I'm using that term correctly.

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>>14535580

Its registry is NX-326 and is slightly newer, though it's a little strange that it was described as the "Federation's first Warp 4 ship" when the allegedly older NX-class was Warp 5 capable.

>>14535614
Could be hand-waved as saying first mass production ship considering the NX class were prototypes. Not that holds much water.

>>14533523
>Hard to see the ship
Do you really need to see consoles, or the curve of nacelles? Yorktown would've looked way better, and the battle scenes would've been way better, if it'd had lens flare.

>>14535651
There was actually a curious lack of Lens Flare in this movie now that you mention it.

>>14535614

The NX class was Warp 5 capable, but if I remember right, it struggled to hold speeds Warp 4+ for extended periods. Maybe Scotty meant that the Franklin was the first ship that was stable at Warp 4?

>>14535643
>mass production
>NX-326

>>14535700
Like I said, holds water like a pasta strainer.

>>14535613
It's a lot smaller than an NX-class starship, at least in its appearance. But given that the Enterprise in the reboot has 1100 crew and is about 4000 feet long, maybe the NX-class starship Enterprise was bigger too.

>>14535722
That wouldn't make sense, the changes to the timeline are from the Kelvin attack onwards.

>>14535663
It really got noticeable during the Yorktown CIS scenes. All those Tron lights and holoscreens, and not a single flare? That was weird. I don't think there are any during the battles either, or when the Enterprise exits the nebula and sees a planet being lit by something; there's clearly not a star there.

>>14535722
Perhaps but I was under the impression that things didn't "diverge" until the Kelvin said hi to Nero.

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>>14535722

These movies are ludicrously inconsistent about scale, but the scenes where some of them were standing on top of or around the Franklin pained it as a very small ship likely intended for a small crew. This cutaway also paints it as a very small ship, at least compared to the unnecessarily large Enterprise.

Which begs the question: they rescued a good 60 or so crew members from the Enterprise and put them on the Franklin. What happened to them all? How many did they lose when Krall's ships slammed into it at Yorktown? They didn't unload anybody between the rescue and the battle at Yorktown.

>>14535671
No, Warp 4 capable means sustained Warp 4 in the way that the Enterprise could sustain Warp 5 for like 30 minutes.

>>14535700
>>14535643
The NX designation is always for experimental ships. Being the first Warp 4 starship, the Franklin would've had an NX registry number.

>>14535768
I figured that fewer than 400 crew survived the destruction of the Enterprise, enslavement by Krall, and were eventually rescued. It's also possible that most of the crew were inaccessible or turned into those humanoid drone soldiers.

>>14535766
Maybe the Kelvin's top speed was Warp 3.

>>14535800
That'd be pretty shitty for a ship that came ~80 years after the NX-01, but The Kelvin's not exactly cutting edge.

>>14516454
I thought they meant Trigglypuff.

>>14535833

Wasn't the Kelvin a survey ship? It probably had more in the way of science facilities than anything. It wasn't designed to go fast or punch hard, just take readings and explore.

The NX-01 and NX-02 were basically, what do you call them, testbed platforms? They were designed to bolt a bunch of experimental shit on, throw out into deep space, and test.

>>14535927
NX-01 and NX-02 were also meant for deep space exploration. Because of their high top warp factor for the time, they could go further out than any other Starfleet ship. There's an episode of Enterprise where Degra says he's surprised by how sophisticated the NX-01's sensors are for what he thought was a warship. Archer tells him the Enterprise was meant for exploration.

Anyway the most plausible explanation is that the Franklin's construction predates the NX-01, but it was in service long enough to be re-designated the NX-326 following the formation of the Federation.. possibly because they started a new ship registry system and there are 325 other ships from various member worlds in normal active service that they registered first? Also because the ship is technically the "USS Franklin", while the NX-01 was just the "Enterprise" as opposed to the "USS Enterprise". The USS part being a Federation convention.

Seems to make sense if what memory alpha says about the ship's technology is true, it apparently has pulsed phase cannons, spatial torpedoes, polarized hull plating instead of shields, and a transporter system only cleared for cargo use and not human beings.

>>14535972

>Anyway the most plausible explanation is that the Franklin's construction predates the NX-01, but it was in service long enough to be re-designated the NX-326 following the formation of the Federation

That seems like the most likely explanation to me. It certainly looks a little older than the NX class and the Federation probably took a lot of old Earth ships and stuck with solely NX registries for a while before switching to the NCC designations later on.

>>14535972
>>14536063
I figured that they just redesignated the NX-class starships into NX-01 and NX-02 because they were rebooting Stafleet from being the United Earth Starfleet to the Federation Starfleet.

0/10 - IGN "Not even a single tribble"

>>14535530
Assign him to the Reliant

>>14531459
>When Trekmovie.com asked Kadin if the teaser for Star Trek: Discovery featured the final design of the ship, music, and logo, she laughed and said “NO! I was surprised Bryan didn’t say that, actually. I mean, we had three weeks to throw that together. We wanted to show fans…we’re super-excited by the score that this amazing composer, Fil Eisner, threw together as an audition and he did an incredible job. The concepts of the ship are totally what we’re going for and they’ll be honed up until, I think, the day we deliver.”

>>14537992

So the Discovery itself will probably be somewhat visually similar to what we got in the teaser, but will just look kind of like ass instead of like total ass.

>>14535663
He's been shamed into not doing it. Even his wife called him on it.

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-force-awakens-lens-flares-jj-abrams/

>>14534168
Yes, but they are the only ships that are FTL, until after God Emperor.

I just like the idea that FTL is hard and restricted to huge carrier ships. That everyone else has to ride inside to get between stars.

>>14513879
>I used to think Into Darkness was the worst one, but then I finally watched the Undiscovered Country
Fuck off.