So I'm writing this essay on how the Japanese media was

>>14496384
maybe you should base your paper on stuff that you know about instead of trying to get strangers to find examples of your assumptions

>>14496384
Why not just do your paper on the episode that quote in your image is from?

>>14496401
I would say the point of writing papers is doing stuff you don't know so that you can learn about it, but posting on /m/ probably isn't the best form of research.

>>14496384
>bitterness
>gundam
Tomino was taking shots at Japanese nationalism

>>14496384
Pretty much every single episode of 2004 Tetsujin 28 hits you over the head with how WWII affected the Japanese people. Pick any one of them at absolute random and you'll be fine.

I suggest the ones from the Superhuman Kelly arc (episodes 9-11)

>>14496423
Actually, scratch that, episode 24 is probably your best bet. It's literally called "Tetsujin on Trial" and is about how Japan wants to move past the war by dismantling Tetsujin, which was undoubtedly a weapon of war.

>>14496439
>24
*23, sorry

>>14496384
Tomino isn't bitter about losing WW2. He's a huge peacenik. He thinks remilitarising and denying warcrimes is wrong.

>>14496423
>>14496439

This. It's the perfect work to use as an example.

>>14496384
Find the episode from zeta when the gas the Jews in the space colony.

>>14496384
You can talk about Zipang since that shit was all about the issues of Japans loss in the war

Most of the golden age anime creators are wildly leftist. The Japanese aren't bitter over losing the war, they ended up becoming incredibly disdainful towards their own government because they believed that the war was the government's fault.

You chose an incredibly retarded angle to argue from and you'll have to just bullshit and misrepresent whatever you find in order to make it fit your position.

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>>14496538
Episode 7, right?

redpilling belongs in /pol/

>>14496556
>because they believed that the war was the government's fault.

Because it was. Japan wasn't a democracy, the people had no say in whether or not they go to war.

Hell even the government didn't entirely call the shots. Japan's military had become so insular that they were a society in of themselves and could basically go to war without the country's permission.

I can just feel the cringe from OP's post.

>>14496556
But there's more creators swinging right these days.
OP could just choose something more modern.

>>14496384
This is one of the most fucking retarded threads I've ever seen on /m/.

Fuck that it's one of the most fucking retarded threads I've ever seen even compared to the retarded shit I've seen posted on reddit.

You're a fucking retard.

>>14496640
Goddamn, been a long time since I saw TE post. OP if you're trolling congratulations I've never seen him get mad before.

>>14496384
>Japanese media was still strongly influenced by their bitterness from their loss in the war,
>My first thought was Gundam,

literal retard

>>14496384

I'd recommend looking at stuff with in the last 10 years. Gundam is almost 40 years old now and the people that saw 0079 when it originally aired probably have their own kids and maybe even grandkids now.

My point is that generational gaps matter if you are tryiing to prove that a people are still bitter over a war that the current generation has never known WWII first hand and the JDF hasn't had a whole lot of experience in armed conflict.

>>14496423
Was going to suggest exactly this.

>>14496707
>>14496707
if the current generation has no firsthand knowledge, why look there for influences of war or bitterness the current generation don't know?

>>14496707
>>14496638
>But there's more creators swinging right these days.
name some

>>14496610
>Hell even the government didn't entirely call the shots. Japan's military had become so insular that they were a society in of themselves and could basically go to war without the country's permission.
When the government got in their way the army murdered them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_26_Incident

>>14496384
Not /m/ but Barefoot Gen is a load of hawkish right wing trash about how the evil American devils slaughtered innocent Japanese for no reason, you should check that out.

>>14496384
>>14496754
Grave of the Fireflies is similarly nothing but bitterness over their losing the war and how it's all America's fault.

>>14496769
This.

>>14496769
You didn't get the point of that movie even more than most people didn't get the point of that movie.

Impressive.

>>14496857
You're a bright one aren't you.

>>14496741
Whoever the fuck wrote GATE.

>>14496384
I'd say Gundam as well or even better Layzner, but weren't they focused on the fucked up side of Imperial Japan?

>>14496873
Glorifying the JSDF isn't anything like "Bitterness about losing the war" though. A better example would be KanColle and how the Abyssal Fleet is essentially the American Navy although now even that is obsolete now because of Iowa.

Japan love glorifying their military but it's harder to find what OP is talking about, using Alternate History stuff is probably the better bet even then though it's more just characters acting that way, Konpeki no Kantai, The coup arc in Muv Luv, Hanachirasu, Soukou Akki Muramasa are a few things that come to mind that you could probably get the point from but they're not TV shows so.

use this episode of LOGH , critiques on modern democracy and voter manipulation

>>14496384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78juY_OcxrI

>>14496991
>The coup arc in Muv Luv,
You mean the arc where the retarded imperalists turn out to have been fucktards manipulated by CIA agents and it's pointed out by everyone how retarded they are for pulling this shit while aliens are invading?

Are you retarded?

>>14497018
Of course they were in the wrong and retard it's more just the emotions that Sagiri and the imperialists express.

>>14496816
>>14496769

No it isn't. There's no demonization of the American military or empowering of the Japanese military. It all takes place within civilian spaces. The only military involvement is in the first act that kicks off the story.

Not only that but the father never coming back leading to the kids dying can be seen as the Japanese military failing the Country by pointlessly going to war

>>14496384
This reminds me of the time i wrote an essay about how Stairway to Heaven was about the Vietnam war.

High school is a fun time.

Anime doesn't really tackle the thing you're trying to argue for.

They are more anti-war than anything, and tend to show that civilians are the real victims of war.

It'll be easier to write about how they are scarred from the war and how that is shown in anime. Way more examples for you to choose.

>>14496443
>He thinks remilitarising and denying warcrimes is wrong

Which is ironic considering Unicorn could easily be interpreted as some thinly veiled whining about Article 9.

>>14497365
we need a real military because love and understanding will knock out and overcome an entire army?

>>14497365
Tomino the peacenik didn't write Unicorn, the right wing, rape backstory enjoying Harutoshi Fukui did.

>>14496384
why not use yamato instead

>>14497384
More like how a bunch of evil white people meddling with a constitution stole away the POSSIBILITY of a potential Master Race.

>>14497405
perfect

>we were so bitter about the great battleship yamato being blown up that we resurrected it to be even better than it ever was AND it's the saviour of the human race

>>14496384
Fucking Gundam couldn't be any fucking clearer in its fucking japanese young kids having to pilot ships and planes but Japan was so butthurt about the war that they made it look like they were the good guys as they faced the axis (zeon) while also representing themselves with the allies (earth federation).

You can even site Zeta Gundam when they set off fucking nukes and how Japan sees it as them getting nuked.

Japan's nuked and war scars are seen through out and consistently through Japanese film even to fucking today.

This really shouldn't be hard for you.
I could write a fucking book full of examples and metaphors of Japan being obsessed with defeat and lasting scars.

I write essays on individual movies from Japan that focus specificly on this issue.

If it's as simple as a 5 page essay just go pick an episode from Gundam.

Gundam mixes ww1 and ww2 together to fit it's convent naration on what ww2 was like for them.

>>14496556
>Japanese media was still strongly influenced by their bitterness from their loss in the war
>Someone who is critiquing that mentality is not influenced by this attitude of bitterness.

>>14496873

The guy was JSDF himself though, that's not surprising.

Hell the guy that was a mercenary around the world and became the military advisor for the Metal Gear series, made of note of saying that fighting in war can be exciting, but putting a country in that situation is something you should always try to avoid.

>>14496991
>Soukou Akki Muramasa

Muramasa is probably one of the most vehemently anti-war pieces in VN history. It drills into your skull "war is hell, killing even when it's a bad person still makes you a murderer and thus a sin" so much that I genuienly don't understand how anyone can miscontrue that.

>>14497407
>evil white people meddling with a constitution

We didn't write in Article 9, hell MacArthur WANTED Japan to rearm so we could use them as human shields against the commies.

Japan wrote in Article 9 themselves because they said they were done with war.

>>14497403
Oh I know Tomino had nothing to do with Unicorn. I just appreciate the irony in one of the most recent entries in a franchise he helped create being whining about Article 9 when his own most recent work (G Reco) is basically saying 'You faggots who don't know anything about war shouldn't be so eager to start militarising'.

>>14497365
>>14497444

It requires reading deep to find the anti-A9 rhetoric.

At the same time Unicorn is very much about singing kumbayah with everyone instead of holding generation-spanning vendettas whose causes have been either lost or distorted through the ages. Which, fundamentally, is pretty up there on the peacefag rankings.

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>>14497444
Although it would be naive to think article 9 had NOTHING to do with Unicorn, with the amount of assblasting that Tominio does against Japanese nationalism, I'm inclined to think Unicorn was more about imperialism in general.

>>14497425
Motosada Mori was a merc?

>>14496769
Jesus, I didn't think it could be possible to miss the point of the movie THIS MUCH.

>>14496991
>>14497437
>Muramasa
Will it ever get a English translation?

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>>14497415
>OP replying to his own thread.

>>14497702
>the point of the movie
"Wahhhh look at how these poor children have to suffer because we lost the war to those EVIL AMERICAN DEVIL DOG SCUM WHO BOMB INNOCENT CIVILLIANS FOR NO REASON"

>>14496729
Nationalism tends to make people who weren't around then feel the effects. Like if a country is on a downward trend nationalism evoking their prosperous past can sway the younger generations even though they never experienced the effects of living in that era.

>>14497035
Which is weird because IIRC they never got nuked in Muv Luvs WWII and Berlin was nuked instead.

>>14497415
Nigga you do realize Zeon is Imperial Japan right? Like the Nazi angle was shitting on the neo-nazis in post war Japan.

>>14497650

Yeah, you can look it up. It's where he got his military experience.

>>14496384
>bitterness from their loss in the war
I think you should actually prove this loaded statement before you move on to the other parts of your essay.

Personally I like to think of the Zeon vs Federation thing as a "Nazi Germany fights an pre-Imperial Japan" what-if.

The Federation is corrupt, stagnant and ends up going down a similar road as their enemy via the Titans. One of the Federation officials practically says as much, "We're no better than they are."

>>14497848

So who do the Federation represent then?

Japan before the Empire?

>>14497959
Obviously everyone in Gundam represents the evil imperialistic jap mass murderer rapist hawkish right wings who are bitter about losing the war because they're racist.

>>14497962

I just think it would be interesting if the Gundam franchise was ultimately about Japan fighting itself.

The Federation and the Zeon representing different points of Japanese history, pitted against one another.

>>14497814
That is not the point of the movie AT ALL.
The point is that the brother killed his own sister because he was so out of touch with the reality around him and unfit to live in that kind of society.

>>14497955
>and ends up going down a similar road as their enemy via the Titans.
The development was never planned in TOmino's idea for 0079, so it is kinda weak to justify your what-if.

>>14497959
'murica
A corrupt and mediocre democracy that's redeemed by not being Zeon.

>>14497979
............beeeeeecause of the evil Americans who bombed civillians for no reason.

>>14497403
based Fukui

>>14496610
>Because it was. Japan wasn't a democracy, the people had no say in whether or not they go to war.

That is a weak bullshit cop out and you know it. It would be like saying the south had no say in the institution of slavery because the voting franchise didn't extend to the common man back then. There is this thing called civil disobedience, and if that fails you can always use subversive action. You act like it is only in democracies that people can influence the actions of the government.

FYI, Japan is not a democracy even today but rather a republic.

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>>14497437
You don't understand, it's so over the top anti-war that is reaches the point of parody becoming a pro-war piece in the process. Much like what AC5 did.

>>14498040
No, a more apt comparison would be it being like saying the slaves in the south had no say in the institution of slavery you ignorant fuck.

>>14496769
>missing the message of a movie THIS much

Are you legitimately retarded? The film is about why children need to listen to adults because they are stupid. The war is nothing more than a backdrop. Please don't breed.

>>14498040
>disobey the army
>get head chopped off
>army keeps on trucking anyway

>>14498040
Yes I'm sure it was totally possible for all those farmers to defy the army which was filled with people who just walked up to parliament and gunned down politicians who were opposing their rise to power.

you fucking retard

>>14498048
>>14497702
>>14497036
>>14496857
>being this retarded
>calls other people "legitimately retarded"
the fucking irony

>>14498058
>Damage control.

>>14496754
Calling Barefoot Gen right wing is like calling Maus right wing despite the fact that the creator is an avoid socialist.

>>14498063
Are you seriously so fucking retarded that you didn't get the point after seeing how that post is a reply to retarded OP and >>14496754

Just kill yourself already

>>14498040
>Implying the people can influence the actions of the ones in charge when they get fucking shot if the people even try to ever oppose them
Ruling by fear is a thing, anon.

>>14496997
The invasion plan was a good idea actually, it's just the FPA military is incompetent besides Yang. Suing for peace would have just let the Empire rebuild their fleet and take back Isherlohn at a time when the FPA military was weak.

>>14496670
You must not follow his twitter

>>14497403
>This person was raped, JUST LIKE HOW MY NIPPON PURAIDO WAS RAPED

>>14498215
What is Angelo's buttraped ass bleeding over the white sheets into the shape of a rose a metaphor for?

>>14496384
>So I'm writing this essay on how the Japanese media was still strongly influenced by their bitterness from their loss in the war, even years and years after the fact.
Maybe I'm fucking autistic or something, but shouldn't you end with your conclusion based on things you've seen and researched the implication of, rather than starting with a conclusion and cherrypicking things that support it?

>>14498654
>into the shape of a rose
Even his blood was gay. No surprise he killed himself at the end.

>>14498722
nope
modern education is about re-enforcing your biases and assumptions by any means necessary so you don't have to have look at big scary reality

>>14496439
I hate to explain this to you, because it is pretty fucking basic:

Japan had Pacifism worked into its constitution after WW2 and they stuck with it. So dismantling Tetsujin, an intercontinental ballistic robot that was supposed to fly to Cali and sink it all into the ocean is 100% in line with that. That's not being bitter about losing, that's applying the rule of law at the basic level of the Constitution to everything within the nation's confines equally.

>>14497407
>a bunch of evil white people meddling with a constitution stole away the POSSIBILITY of a potential Master Race.

You /pol/cucks are delusional

>>14498722
>Maybe I'm fucking autistic
No, OP is just a cocksucking dumbfuck.

>>14498028
You americucks get real mad when someone even implies that you did something wrong, dont you?

>>14498816
I would argue it's in fact self-inflicted shame for participating.

Kinda like how Germany has lived in perpetual shame over the Nazi regime to the point where it blacklists stuff in a perpetual display of "WE DON'T CONDONE THAT SHIT ANYMORE."


And who is to say that self-flagellation is a good way to show that you are atoning for your past mistakes?

>>14498896
so does that mean Japan needs to import a bunch of rapists like Germany?
because I'd like to volunteer if they don't specifically need to be islam rapists

>>14498923

You could just fly there now, their porno industry is approaching an impending production crisis from insufficient male actors.

>>14498891
Americans just don't care. I admire that.

Americans killed a million civilians in Vietnam-Laos-Cambodia, supported dictatorships, funded terrorist organisations, influenced elections and assasinated foreign political leaders and they can just shrug it off. Guatamala? Whatever.

>>14499040
We're aware of all the crap we did. You also forgot about MK Ultra where we would drug our own poor as well and the Red Scare where we ruined citizens lives if they were under any suspicion of being a commie/pinko. Most don't really care though.

>>14498896
Germany's claim to being over committing Genocide is highly political and mainly aimed at securing their international standing, Anon.

It ain't about being mad about the past, it's about securing a top-level spot in the future and the ban was necessary because they had to strike a balance between the fact that they continued to work and live with actual Nazis and war-criminals while the international community very much demanded of them to not visibly be Nazis any longer.

>I would argue it's in fact self-inflicted shame for participating.
Cold War.

Actual japanese ICBM.

>>14499040
>just shrug it off
No. Why would you say that? No one in america denies these things. I clearly remember a chunk of my grade schooling , high school etc talked about all the nasty shit we've done. Literature (for example: The Crucible) was denouncing McArthyism as early as the 50s and you bet that shit stills goes on. Have you ever even seen left wing US media?

And Japan gets the pass because they have cool cartoons, right? Even though large portions of their media, education, and general population deny or don't know about the myriad of war crimes they committed in their two 20th C. wars.

>>14498891
>>14499040

It's kind of hard when "Your country is the strongest and best and most biggest bastion of freedom in the entire world!" is drilled into you when you were a kid.

Do other countries not do that (not saying how great the US is but saying how great their country is and it's the best in the world)? I'm geniunely curious.

>>14499624

Some don't at least. I know Ireland doesn't. I'm pretty sure the UK doesn't either, though they probably used to in ye olden times. It's a bit hard to do now when everyone and their goat has successfully rebelled or achieved independence though really. I doubt much of Europe does it either. Or Australia, since it's heavily based on European culture.

>>14499624
>Do other countries not do that
Nope. I live in Israel; if you utter even the slightest right-wing comment (i.e. "Jerusalem should be ours"), you'll get in an argument with a dozen left-wingers, and vice-versa. You need to choose your words wisely when visiting the periphery or the more religious cities.

Pretending that you live in the best country in the world is definitely an American thing - kind of hard to do that over here when everyone knows that the government is being run by a bunch of buffoons.

>>14498040

You're forgetting several things
>the military had literally all the power and guns
>the Japanese are taught to be submissive to all forms of authority
>the army had a tendency to decapitate anyone that didn't do the aboe

>>14498043

I don't see how you can say that unless you believe it's saying that being corrupt and evil is a good thing. Because that's all the Rokuhara and GHQ are.

Plus, it's ignoring the whole point made with Muramasa's curse on how the concept of a "just war" is bullshit.

>>14498043
You're forgetting one huge fact, and it's that Muramasa demonizes both sides in the war really hard. Yes the not-Americans are shown as gigantic imperialistic assholes, but the Japanese government is also made of sociopaths that don't care for human life and kill and rape their own people for shits and giggles. If it was a statement on Imperial Japan, it's saying that Japan was evil and deserved to lose.

>>14496754

You mean the manga where it kept saying the Japanese government was shit who stepped on the graves of those who suffered and died from the atomic bombings?

>>14498859
Yeah because a constitution that goes, if space psychics become a thing, they should rule over humanity isn't dumb.

>>14499984
The fact that nobody but a handful of people even knew the text of that constitution is even wierder than that.

>>14499984
Im talking about the "evil white people" comment. You polfags see race in everything

>>14496384
How about Yamato? I always thought it's interesting how the heroic Japanese good guys use a WW2 battleship to defeat the bad guys who are very obvious nazi analogues (going as far as having names based on nazi high command). Felt a bit like the show's trying to recast Japan as the "good guys" in WW2.
I don't know about a specific episode though.

>>14499984

Good thing it didn't say anything about ruling over but just stipulated they be included in the government and not be excluded as freaks or something then I guess.

I know this isn't a proper place to say this, but because Unicorn was brought up here, I felt like leaving this here, which I said elsewhere:

"All this talk about the Federation has got me thinking, maybe what Unicorn had to say was that, the Universal Century had to offer. Think about it, in that timeline, the Anno Domini timeline was dropped to show Earth's time is over. It's up to those living in space. Part to prove Universal Century isn't Anno Domini is that, the promise of independence for those in the colonies was to show that, the colonies should not be tied to the Earth Federation. Look what happened, Laplace got bombed, and said promise was never delivered. Those in the Earth Federation who took power following Ricardo Marcenas' death in Laplace implemented a constitution without said promise of independence."

Yamato = pro-war that tries to appear pacifist, message is that if Japan had this kind of technology they would have won and everything would be fine.
Gundam = anti-war, message is that you can't solve anything with war and there will always be new war, individual soldier is just a human but the rulers can do wrong.

Watch The Cockpit OVA, you can see this "Japan is the victim" mentality Leiji Matsumoto has.

Not mecha anime, but Paranoia Agent, or pretty much any Satoshi Kon's work, criticizes the victim mentality Japanese people have about WWII.

>>14496401
first post best post

Bitterness is the wrong word here, they're not mad over losing the war, they're angry toward an Imperialist government that suppressed opposition in blood.
The only bitter one is Fukui and maybe, maybe Takahashi going by his narrative in Gasaraki but I'm not sure.
Read Barefoot Gen and its publication history, the mangaka is a guy whos father was tortured by the japanese police for being a leftist artist.

It's like saying italians were bitter when they made Roma Città Aperta and La Ciociara.

>>14502852
>Part to prove Universal Century isn't Anno Domini is that, the promise of independence for those in the colonies was to show that, the colonies should not be tied to the Earth Federation. Look what happened, Laplace got bombed, and said promise was never delivered.

Except the Charter doesn't promise anything about colonial independence AT ALL, only a bunch of bullshit about giving preferential treatment to vaguely defined 'space evolved people'.

In fact the unaltered charter STILL states that the colonies will be administered by the Earth Federation:

>Article 8 - The Earth Federation shall manage all space settlements including the settlements on the Moon and other celestial bodies, in the interests of the Earth's environment and the and the future of the human race.

>Article 9 - Each space settlement shall function as a local public agency of the Earth Federation and its administrative function shall in principle belong to the central government of the Earth Federation.

>>14502979

> preferential treatment
> giving priority to involving them in government administration is preferential treatment

>>14503061
I feel sorry for those guys who can't get Government jobs because they need to fill their 'space evolved people' quota.

>>14503072

I feel sorry for the guys who can't get government jobs because they're biased against space evolved people and give someone else the job.

>>14503072
Affirmative action for Newtypes is the dumbest idea Gundam ever had, and I'm including Zakrello and G Gundam in that statement.

>>14503785
Newtypes period are the dumbest idea in the entire Gundam franchise. They've almost never been utilized well or interestingly and could in large part be excised entirely from UC and little about the flow of events would actually change.

And no, I'm not trolling. I genuinely dislike them and especially when Tomino is in charge of them things get downright unbearable.

>>14502509
>>14502886

>Garmilias carriers are based on the triple-flight deck configurations of Akagi and Kaga
>Garmilias officers would rather die than retreat in "shame"
Yeah I think Garmilias is an expy of Imperial Japan too, what with their full Victory or HONORABU DEATH thing and their carriers being blatantly based on Akagi and Kaga

>>14503785
>G-Gundam actually hid it's anti-war message pretty well, a little too well in fact.

>>14502886
I never saw Yamato as 'if we had laser weapons we would have won'. The entire franchise is blatantly nationalist however. It's very concept is about the Japanese people resurrecting a symbol of imperialist power and using it to save the entire human race. More recent entries have tried to lessen this somewhat by making the Yamato and its crew part of the UN, but they're still all Japanese. I love the Yamato franchise (the 2199 anime is my gold standard for how to successfully reboot/update something while still remaining true to the original), but there's always been an unpleasant undercurrent to it.

As for The Cockpit, that's the one that harshly criticizes the use of kamikaze planes. I guess that could be interpreted as Japan is the victim, but if so it's a self-inflicted wound.

Kon was awesome. Millennium Actress didn't shy away from the fact that the Imperialist Japanese government was run by a bunch of bastards who used secret police to torture and murder dissidents. There's a kind of black hole in anime and manga from about 1925 to 1950, hardly anyone touches those years.

>>14503785
G Gundam isn't actually dumb, it adheres to the message of Gundam very well behind the super robot antics and over-the-top racism. Its a masterpiece by comparison to alot of the franchise.

>>14503863
>the 2199 anime is my gold standard for how to successfully reboot/update something while still remaining true to the original

It says a lot that 2199 is mostly the same story, but it just less blatantly jingoistic.

>>14503863
>There's a kind of black hole in anime and manga from about 1925 to 1950, hardly anyone touches those years.

That manga about transforming motorcycle racing pretty much directly quotes the student's protests of the 60s.

>>14496384
Zeon aren't just Space Nazis. They originally incorporated a lot of Imperialist Japanese attributes as well, and it's pretty clear Tomino was partially using them to commentate on (then recent-ish) Japanese history. Starting with 0080 the Germanic/Nazi aspects of Zeon started getting really emphasized and the franchise has more or less stayed on that course since. Though The Origin has Gihren admiring Samurai and Unicorn has Full Frontal advocating a 'Side Co-Prosperity Sphere', which is full of all kinds of unpleasant implications. It doesn't help that Fukui is cagey about outright condemning Zeon/Neo-Zeon.

In Tomino's original there is no ambiguity: the Zabis are asshole dictators who hijacked a genuine desire for self-rule and used it as an excuse to launch an aggressive war of conquest. Zeon are bad guys, however many people who just want independence may be in their ranks, and however corrupt or inept the Earth Federation may be.

>>14503879
I said 1950. Once you get into the post-war reconstruction, especially after the harder initial years and the American occupation, there are a fair number of things set in those years. Tetsujin 28 is usually set in the 50s, as an example.

The 60s and the protests actually appear pretty frequently in fiction. Anyone ever read Mamoru Oshii's Blood: The Last Vampire novel? It's set after the original OVA, and basically isn't about Saya (she barely shows up at all). It's mostly a vehicle for Oshii to ruminate on the protest movement.

>>14503875
The simple fact it doesn't have multiple episodes that wax poetic about 'the brave crew of the original Yamato' helps a lot.

>>14503838
Yeah, and Gamillas losses that fight, just as happened in reality. That entire battle is a kind of retread of the Battle of Midway, and in Yamato it ends the same way: a bunch of carriers get sunk. Compare Yamato's take on it to the recent KanColle anime, where the Japanese explicitly re-fight Midway, only this time they win and the carriers aren't sunk.

>>14503929
The Kancolle anime also set it up to make Japan seem outnumbered in the fight when in reality it was the USN that was outnumbered.

So many anime characters are named after ships and planes from WW2, is this a phenomenon unique to Japan?

>>14503954
Yeah it's that machines have souls shit.

I find it really ironic that americans complain about "THE JAPS ARE TOO PATRIOTIC :((("

>>14496384
>was still strongly influenced by their bitterness from their loss in the war, even years and years after the fact.

Like the other anons said, you should do your own research.

There are plenty of media from Japan that indirectly deal with the war and the consequences Japan faced. I wouldn't describe it as "bitter", but I would say they were traumatized as a society by the use of nuclear weapons on their soil and the subsequent occupation.

>>14503999
When Americans love their country they are patriotic heroes. When foreigners love their country they are militaristic right-wing warmongers.

True story.

>>14497418

>Implying there isn't a difference between saying someone is bitter over losing something and someone has a negative attitude towards offensive war.

No wonder you chose such a stupid premise for your paper. I hope your prof laughs in your face.

>>14503999
Watch shit like Zipang which glorifies a nation whose gov't was literally evil. Most Americans regularly shit on the war crimes we've committed. And regularly point out and criticize overly patriotic shit.

>>14504020
Also, replying to you're own comment.

>>14504024
>Most Americans regularly shit on the war crimes we've committed
Like when they justify the atomic bombs, right?

>And regularly point out and criticize overly patriotic shit
HAHAHAAHAHAH

>>14504020
Generalizations are not always true.

True story.

>>14504033
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28277-focus-the-american-sniper-you-didnt-hear-about
This is only the most recent movie, any fucking military movie released in America is criticized for being patriotic the only reason you don't know is because you confirmation bias so fucking hard.

>>14504067
>you confirmation bias so fucking hard.

Like everyone in this fucking thread, retard

>>14503963
Hooooooold on, is the implication that the soul of these machines are reborn into human bodies?

>>14504075
No, they become gods.

>>14504087
Like "The God of Possibility" for instance?

>>14504181
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukumogami

Godzilla.

Giant Robo: Day the Earth Stood Still

Kerberos Panzer Cops/Jin-Roh

>>14504181
Basically anything that manages to exist for a certain period of time ascends. If it's then nurtured by rites and prayers, it can attain godhood as a ancestral or local spirit.

>>14504033
>Like when they justify the atomic bombs, right?

We also have had civilians call US soldiers "babykillers" ever since Vietnam.

>>14504214

A lot of the original Godzilla was Japan's 1950s attitude of shitting on itself for getting into the war in the first place. When you see a lot of the destruction from a miniature scale, the Japanese attitude was "yeah, go Godzilla, we suck!"

And then the audience attitude changes immediately in the scene transition when you see the human cost in the makeshift hospital.

>Kerberos Panzer Cops/Jin-Roh

Is explicitly an alternate universe where after the Axis won, Germany turned on Japan and occupied it in its time of weakness. Jin-Roh takes place after Germany left but its influences are still present.

>>14503963
USN believes that shit too.

>>14503999
>>14504020
There's a difference between advocating national sovereignty and embracing warmongers from the past. There's often a crossover between the two with the Japanese because they equate Imperial Japan with the last time their country was truly independent (and its defeat led to the current lack of independence). There are Japanese nationalists who aren't revisionist militarist shitheads.

>>14504009
There's a lot of Japanese fiction that is, well, masturbatory in how it deals with the war. A lot of 'woe is us, war is so terrible, look at what it did to us!'. Very, very little on subjects like the 20 million dead Chinese or the fact that Korea was occupied for over a generation and a serious attempt made to eradicate its very language and culture. Miyazaki's last movie left a foul taste in my month; it was basically the equivalent of making a biopic of Ferdinand Porsche and conspicuously not focusing much on the whole 'made weapons for the Nazis' bit.

>>14504067
There are places like Reader Supported News and CounterPunch that will consistently criticize Hollywood war movies, but mainstream media seldom does. That stupid sniper movie was especially awful because any amount of research into the actual guy himself reveals he was basically a psychopath, and not a terribly smart one either.

>>14504249
We haven't, actually. The idea that Vietnam veterans experienced a wave of hatred and bigotry was in large part manufactured to make people forget that it was veterans themselves who were at the forefront of the anti-war movement. Vietnam essentially broke the US military; by the end most grunts simply refused to go on patrol and were fragging their own officers by the hundreds. This is a large part of why Nixon and Kissinger shifted to carpet bombing vast swathes of Southeast Asia. They simply could no longer rely on their ground forces.

>>14504024
Does it glorify Imperial Japan? I only ever watched the anime, and I recall that it was mostly about the modern day crew not being able to bring themselves to actively support the Imperial government and attempting to stay neutral. It ends right as whatshisface follows the Imperial officer into occupied Manchuria. The manga carries on far past that point, so maybe it devolves into endorsing the militarists later on. Disappointing if that's the case.

>>14504407
>There are Japanese nationalists who aren't revisionist militarist shitheads.

Unfortunely every single vocal one is.

>>14504407
>and a serious attempt made to eradicate its very language and culture.

More like a successful attempt when it comes to culture. The original Korean culture simply doesn't exist in South Korea anymore, they really are Japan-lite now.

>>14504481
Unless I'm mistaken, neither Oshii nor his protege Kamiyama are militarists. Patlabor 2 was an entire movie condemning any overseas military intervention by Japan, and its hypocrisy of professing peace while also being America's unsinkable aircraft carrier.

>>14504490
Between 1945 and 1987 South Korea was a military dictatorship. This only changed when a nationwide protest movement forced elections to take place. After that the country quickly industrialized on a massive scale, in some cases based on Japanese ideas (the entire K-pop industry is explicitly based on the horrific Japanese model where agencies essentially own idols via insane contracts). The gap between the end of Japanese occupation and what we now think of as South Korean culture is decades long. It's completely wrong to say that the old Joseon culture has been eradicated. It's been merged with capitalism in some often weird ways.

>>14504647
>and its hypocrisy of professing peace while also being America's unsinkable aircraft carrier.

Japan doesn't exactly have a say in what we do with our bases

>>14504654
They do though. There used to be a lot more US bases on the main four islands, but then the Japanese government negotiated to have the bulk of them moved to Okinawa, which has never been considered properly Japanese (and where the bases now take up about 25% of the agricultural land). And the Philippines successfully forced the US to abandon its huge base at Subic Bay in 1992. If you force the issue, the US can and will blink.

>>14504820

I said what we do with them, not where they are.

And quite frankly, professing peace is all well and good, but it's not going to do them any favors if China gets any more ambitious.

>>14496384
The original Yamato is super nationalistic. That's your best bet.

>>14504856
The original Yamato is even older than 0079. 40+ year old anime is not really useful in helping OP prove his hypothesis that Japs are "still" bitter.

>>14504839
China has no ambitions for Japan. The only time the two have ever fought was when the Japanese started it. China has always preferred to be at the center of a nexus of indirect cultural influence and control.

Regardless, the era of Japanese peace is over. It's virtually certain that Article 9 will be changed; Abe got the go ahead from Obama to re-militarize the country in exchange for accepting the TPP deal.

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>>14504024
>Zipang which glorifies a nation
Have you even watched the show? It doesn't just tear apart Japanese nationalism during WW2, it rips nationalism apart as a concept, setting a clear difference between patriotism and nationalism.

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>>14506667
I'm legitimately confused.
Does this look like a show that promotes Japanese nationalism to anyone else?

>>14504407
>We haven't, actually. The idea that Vietnam veterans experienced a wave of hatred and bigotry was in large part manufactured to make people forget that it was veterans themselves who were at the forefront of the anti-war movement

Not to mention the actively serving soldiers who protested against being drafted and organized draft dodging for their comrads within Vietnam. It's little wonder that the US army doubled down on buidling that paralell society of military families after the Vietnam War. Helps to disguise the tolls service takes on society real good.

>>14506719
My major gripe with Unicorn is we never got something like this specifically pointing out Zeon's hypocrisy and all the bullshit they've done to their fellow Spacenoids.

Instead we got copious amounts of 'Didn't you know that Zeon is the Spacenoids' LIGHT OF HOPE?' shoved down or throats.

>>14496384
In Gundam SEED/D Orb and PLANT takes turn in being WW2 Japan, first PLANTs suffering an unprovoked nuclear attack (but gloriously striking back at the evil Americ.. Earth Alliance instead of surrendering) and then Orb being current day Japan being dragged along in a war against plants (Iraq) against their will. Cosmic Era only makes sense as long as America is evil and Japan is righteous

>>14507169
Did you lose consciousness right around the point where the last heiress to the Zabi name openly called bullshit on Zeon's actions?

Look at >>14506719's image, now replace Japan with the Principality of Zeon. This is pretty much Mineva's soapbox; Zeon was no light, it was the Pied Piper's pipe.

>>14507169
>My major gripe with Unicorn is we never got something like this specifically pointing out Zeon's hypocrisy and all the bullshit they've done to their fellow Spacenoids.

Because everyone already knew that at this point, you dumb faggot. It would be repeating what has already been said millions of times

>Instead we got copious amounts of 'Didn't you know that Zeon is the Spacenoids' LIGHT OF HOPE?' shoved down or throats.
It was mentioned literally once

>>14496422
Wasn't the corruption of the Federation and some of the mistreatment of civilians, particularly in Zeta, supposed to represent the American occupation?

>>14496638
Speaking of which, GitS:SAC takes a lot of shots at American foreign policy

>>14507376
I think atrocities committed by the Federation are shots taken at the Japanese internment camp policy.

And as an American I will openly state that that was some vintage retardation on our part.

>>14507376
The EF-politics in Unicorn are modeled along fictional Zaibatsu-politics, Anon. That they're construction- and arms-manufacturing conglomerates should've been a hint.

>>14507387
Yeah, but GitS has been pretty damn right-wing and neoconservative since the original manga.

Pick the episode in Gundam Unicorn where the Zeon attack Torrington and Dakar. They've spent 20 years hiding in holes being pissy but are made out to be honorable, noble idolists fighting the good fight.

You can counter the point with the new type girl realising revenge is shit but she goes back to 'murder is all I have!' Seconds later.

The whole episode is one big revenge fantasy.

>>14506667
>>14506719
Explain why they help the IJN over the USN then. I mean from a generic time travel point if Japan doesn't lose the same way you'll probably not be born.

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>>14496384
I don't think the japs are either bitter or salty about their defeat. I think in general it's just something they think back about, cringe and move along.

because BAD END was confirmed they moment they attacked Pearl Harbor.
However I think we can agree we gave them the coolest BAD END ever.

>>14496384
>, even years and years after the fact.

Tomino was born in 41. So he grew up in the post-war era.

>>14507842

I think even they know a Nazi controlled world would be shit, and they're probably happier the way things turned out in the end.

They just don't like to admit they choose poorly back then and did bad shit.

>>14496384
>even years and years after the fact.

I'd be pretty bitter for years and years too if I got two atomic bombs dropped on me.

>>14507842
>because BAD END was confirmed they moment they attacked Pearl Harbor.

Nah, their BAD END was confirmed when they wrote their post-Russo-Japanese war army regulations, which led to them not giving two fucks that the US sunk their merchant fleet and mined their ports.

>>14507441
>They've spent 20 years hiding in holes being pissy but are made out to be honorable, noble idolists fighting the good fight.

You either didnt watch Unicorn or have an incredibly huge confirmation bias

>You can counter the point with the new type girl realising revenge is shit but she goes back to 'murder is all I have!' Seconds later.

Its not shown as a good thing

>>14507842
Actually the Japanese military KNEW they were going to lose the war. They were not stupid. Pearl Harbour was an act of desperation. It was purely meant as a delaying tactic to keep America out of the Pacific for a few years.

Why fight a war you know you're going to lose? Because the Japanese political system was shit.

That's why post war Japanese hated the military: they learned that all their leaders had lied and betrayed them. Millions of Japanese died for nothing.

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>>14508311
there may be some truth to this.

but I think it speaks volumes to the strength of their culture to survive such a brutal defeat.

I think there are twinges of this in the Zeon throughout all of gundam. a "we lost...we deserved it, but we're still here...and we'll never disappear" type thing.
I respect that, but I think that's as far as it goes.

>>14508236
>murder is all I have!
Yeah and she gets shot down for being a retard

>>14507387
Stand Alone Complex is not remotely right-wing. Being critical of American foreign policy, especially in relation to Japan, doesn't automatically mean you're a militarist. Near the end of 2nd GIG there's a magnificent sequence where two JSDF planes buzz an American nuclear submarine while the Japanese PM talks about how she will pursue a policy of true neutrality in regards to the US, the EU, and the countries of East Asia. The message is for Japan to stop being a toady protectorate of the US, not for it to again become an imperial power.

Kamiyama also created Eden of the East, which was a call to the youth, especially the NEET outcasts, of Japan to get involved and turn their country into a true democracy.

There's a lot of non-American fiction that is critical of the United States. It's intellectually dishonest to just dismiss all of it as baseless or written by nutjobs who are just bitter or jealous. We Americans mostly live inside a bubble and have little idea of what is done in our name on a regular basis.

>>14507413
This is one of those things that people parrot constantly, but never provide evidence for.

>>14508311
They didn't launch the war knowing they would lose. Only a few people, most notably Yamamoto, were convinced it was a doomed endeavor from the outset. It was an act of desperation to the extent that the US was threatening their imperial ambitions via resource embargoes and they felt pressured to counter with force.

And Japan was never really put through the equivalent of Denazification. The Tokyo War Crimes Trials were a sham in comparison to the Nuremberg ones; a whole lot of militarists and literal war criminals got away scot-free, more than a few reentering politics years later, often with great success. The Zaibatsu business conglomerates that had at least as large a role in causing the war as the militarists were formally abolished, but mostly just morphed into the current Keiretsu system.

>>14508517
>This is one of those things that people parrot constantly, but never provide evidence for.

The things I can recall on top of my head are that the main character's code name's roughly the equivalent of "Freedom Belle" and came out in support of child labour and bootstrapping yourself when confronted with child slavery in the first story.

>>14508311
>>14508517
Pearl Harbor was designed to marginalize that Fucked-ness as much as possible, as up until December 7 the USN was a primarily Battleship-based force as was every other navy (except Japan). With the destruction of the vast majority of the US Pacific Capital Fleet, with the incredibly lucky exception of the heavy CVs, it simply turned into a Carrier-based force. Had the carriers been sunk too VJ day would have been pushed back almost to new years '45, or even beyond into early '46.

Their only hope was to make it impractical for us to try to engage their forces with what would remain after their attack but the CVs survived, ruining it. Pearl Harbor was the logical course of action if they truly wished to remain independent and on their current warpath in the pacific.

>>14508682
They also wanted to goad the surviving ships into a massive fleet battle so they could sink them with their oversized Battleships.

>>14508682
It should also be noted that Japan didn't really attack unprovoked, out of the blue. Aside from the trade embargoes, we were already effectively at war via the Flying Tigers 'volunteers' in China. The official history of that unit insists they weren't actually deployed in combat until 12 days after Pearl Harbor, which I suspect is a load of crap. But regardless, they were at least doing training in India on their way to China, and Japanese intelligence was certainly aware they were coming. I'm not excusing the Japanese for launching a war, but the idea that the sneak attack was some dastardly, unprovoked assault doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

>>14508713
It was though, all they had to do was stop being assholes and no war, but they wanted to wage war on SEA for their oil and China because China.

>>14508311

From what I've read, Japan seemed to think that if they didn't knock out the US navy right then and there, they would lose the war no matter how much they dragged it out. If they took out the navy, it means America is kept out of a naval war at least until they have more ships built, and in that time Japan could prepare itself better.

>>14508976
This.

If the Pacific Fleet were destroyed, the Atlantic Fleet would either be partitioned or the Pacific theater would be abandoned temporarily. Either way, the Japanese would be able to occupy Hawaii with relative ease. From Hawaii, they would be able to launch naval missions to keep the American forces pinned near the mainland - mainly through port strikes and other missions intended to cripple the navy.

Japan's only real chance at winning the war was area-denial.

>>14509009

That being said, Japan would've lost eventually anyway. The Russo-Japanese War showed that Japan can't help but bleed itself dry in war. They will throw EVERYTHING, even civilian resources, into their war machine, and will burn through it like a roman candle.

Hell, the only reason they won the Russo-Japanese War is because poor communication kept the Russians on the homefront from understanding that Japan's string of victories completely exhausted their ability to fight and would be powerless in a month, so they surrendered thinking they would continue to get their asses kicked.

>>14509030
They would have certainly lose somethings, but with naval superiority they would've probably retained the Phillipines, Indonesia, and whatever other islands they picked up along the way.

Japan and the USA were on course for war no matter what. They were the two super powers of the Pacific ocean and were competing economically, with the USA having the upperhand and basically squeezing Japan in an economic vice. When Japan allied itself with Germany, they knew that they had no choice but to combat the USA for dominance across the Pacific, otherwise they would not be able to keep a steady supply of oil and other commodities necessary for their country. War was inevitable and Japan's only shot at gaining the upperhand against the USA was to rush in as fast as they could. Therefore, Japan decided to launch an attack against the USA as soon as they could.

However, Japan fucked up the timing of their war declaration and Pearl Harbor operation. They were supposed to declare war before attacking and ended up botching that. Isoroku Yamamoto knew that they were screwed if they went to war with the USA. He knew that defeating the USA was a pipe dream just by virtue of the USA being fuckhuge. But couldn't the higher ups to listen.

Here's what he said about it
>Should hostilities once break out between Japan and the United States, it would not be enough that we take Guam and the Philippines, nor even Hawaii and San Francisco. To make victory certain, we would have to march into Washington and dictate the terms of peace in the White House. I wonder if our politicians (who speak so lightly of a Japanese-American war) have confidence as to the final outcome and are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices

He was no fool, but unfortunately the rest of them were.

>>14509061
>I wonder if our politicians (who speak so lightly of a Japanese-American war) have confidence as to the final outcome and are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices

Well when your country is just a little bigger than California and that island is your whole world, I guess it's hard to imagine that a country can be like 8x that in size. Despite them being at war in China which is also fuckhuge, but then the Chinese also kinda sucked at fighting.

>>14508311
>Actually the Japanese military KNEW they were going to lose the war. They were not stupid. Pearl Harbour was an act of desperation. It was purely meant as a delaying tactic to keep America out of the Pacific for a few years.

I thought the point was "show America that fighting us is more trouble than it's worth"

>>14509146
The point was "kick their navy into the sea and stop them from being able to get a new one working against us while we hold back what's left, sue for peace while we have the advantage, pray to god nothing goes wrong at any point."

>>14508976
>>14509009
>>14509146
The Japanese were always doomed to lose a drawn out war, and they knew it. The goal was to beat the Americans up sufficiently that they would agree to a conditional surrender and allow the Japanese free-reign in East Asia. Yamamoto outright said that he could guarantee the Japanese at most 6 months of dominance in the pacific, after that things would get steadily worse. Which is almost exactly what happened.

The production capability was just too much in the favor of the US. Even if the Japanese had succeeded in sinking the entire pacific fleet, carriers and all, at Pearl Harbor, within 18 months the US could have replaced every one of those ships, while still ramping up production even further. Worst case scenario they would build them on the east coast and take a few weeks to move the battle ready fleet to the pacific. It's not like the Japanese had either the ability or desire to invade North America, however interesting that kind of Man In the High Castle scenario is (the Germans didn't have the desire to do that either, and probably wouldn't have been able to mount a successful invasion of Britain, an island barely 30 miles off the coast of France, let along cross 5,000 miles of ocean).

>>14509107
They didn't suck at fighting so much as they had terrible leadership. The Nationalist government was to a large extent comically corrupt and inept, which left Mao's Communists as the only effective fighting force. The Communists rose to power by getting their cause equated in the minds of the peasants with effective resistance to the Japanese. The Japanese didn't help their own efforts by regularly resorting to 'KILL. EVERYONE.' heavy handed tactics.

>>14509383
Don't you ever talk shit about Mao again.

Japan was insignificant. Americans were fighting a massive war on both sides of the world and Japan STILL got blown the fuck out so hard that they went uguu kawaii retarded for decades to come.

>>14509431
>massive war
>western front
>US involvement
Let's be fucking real, we fought Vichy French and Volksgrenadiers. Anyone worth anything was sent to stop the commies.

>>14509414
What? You mean the guy who starved 60 million of his own people to death? Fuck him.

>>14509431
You mean helping the British beat up on whatever the Germans could spare from the Ostfront. At least in the Pacific we were fighting the full force of the IJN. In Europe the Western Front was the side show. Read up on things like Operation Bagration; the Russo-German fighting was practically Warhammer 40k in terms of scale.

>>14509627
On the Western Front, ten thousand German soldiers was a lot.

On the Eastern Front, a million German soldiers was a weak flank.

>>14496384
>So I'm writing this essay on how the Japanese media was still strongly influenced by their bitterness from their loss in the war, even years and years after the fact. I need to base it on a -single- specific episode of a TV show of my choice. My first thought was Gundam, but I couldn't really think of an episode that can be seen that way (the Nazi analogies are obviously there, but they can be found throughout the show, and aren't exclusive to one single episode). Does anyone have any ideas? Other show suggestions are also welcome, I was thinking maybe focusing on Tetsujin or Ultraman, or maybe a Getter episode.

No need to cite Gundam just look at the Japanese live action film Atragon from the early sixties if I'm not mistaken. The creator of the highly advanced Atragon is basically an old IJN officer that has never accepted the fact Japan lost the war. He wants revenge even in the face of global annihiliation by underground monsters.
Even his own daughter (the embodiement of modern Japan) can't reason with him. The man would rather see Japan and the world crumble rather than use his invention (under the command of the UN/US) to fight off the invaders. He even feals betrayed by the fact that most of his old comrades in arms are working for the UN/US.

>>14508227
>it's a "russiaboo" episode

>>14498040

...This is three days late, but

>FYI, Japan is not a democracy even today but rather a republic.

That's literally backwards, a democracy is simply a government that allows people a voting say in government. A republic is a type of government that has no hereditary ruler whatsoever.

Japan has an Emperor, so it's a democracy and not a republic.

>>14509061
Yamamoto also accurately predicted a midway like defeat crippling the IJN.

>>14510009
Nigga a democracy has no ruler. You're confusing Democratic Republics with Democracies.

>>14496384
There are libraries worth of books written about the subject of the impact WWII had on various Japanese media. Just find one of them.

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>this thread

>>14511054
But nobody has
Fucking up their timing for the declaration on accident doesn't make pearl harbor not a war crime.

>>14509009
Most of the Japanese army was tied down occupying half of Asia, the USSR didn't get overrun by Hitler and America switched all their factories into military service. Poor Nipponese never stood a chance.

Never start a war you can conceivably lose.

>>14507728
But they don't, some crews tried to take over the ship to help IJN out of desperation of being trapped in bizzarre situation. Those who oppose it choose to walk out from the ship to avoid a bloody uprising between themselves.
Hell, they already changed history, even when they tried to lay down and avoid both sides, one of the ship crew heard that his grandfather who was still a kid is dead because their indirect influence on the battle.

>>14510009
Japan is a constitutional monarchy.

The Emperor is a figurehead, a living symbol of Japan. But just like modern European kings and queens he stays away from politics. He just shows up for religious ceremonies and moral support after a disaster.

>>14497414
>>we were so bitter about the great battleship yamato being blown up that we resurrected it to be even better than it ever was AND it's the saviour of the human race

FYI, the original Yamato's main conflict ended with main characters realizing the Yamato was a weapon of mass destruction that committed an unforgivable atrocity

>>14509030
>The Russo-Japanese War showed that Japan can't help but bleed itself dry in war. They will throw EVERYTHING, even civilian resources, into their war machine, and will burn through it like a roman candle.

That's more to do with the size of their population and their economic means than anything else. Italy basically was in the same position after they had burnt everything on conquering Ethiopia, only that Italy didn't explicitly change its whole training regime into a torture regime that was supposed to make death look kinda nice to their soldiers.

>>14510009
Japan is not a functioning democracy period. For the first couple years of the American Occupation that was the goal, but once the Cold War started going the US changed its policy. The problem with real democracies is that they tend to sooner or later reflect the real wishes of the populace, and people generally don't like being protectorates. The US couldn't change the country back into a military dictatorship like what existed in South Korea, but it could take steps to ensure that a party totally subservient to Washington would completely dominate Japanese national politics. Things came to a head with the protests in the 60s, which were about the solidifying of the relationship between the two countries and the permanent garrisoning of Japan despite the end of formal US occupation. The protestors lost, real democracy died, and things haven't changed much since.

Article 9 is the most obvious relic of the two periods of American policy. The initial goal was for a peaceful democracy, but in the decades since the United States has been constantly pushing Japan to re-militarize (especially by buying lots of stuff from us, including Theater Defense Missiles which almost certainly don't actually work). Article 9 has always been an irritating thorn in Washington's side.

>>14511054

I really don't know how you can deny Nanking. We know Nanking happened because the Japanese soldiers who did it BRAGGED about it. We have mountains of sickening images, newspaper articles, and letters homenote, "Hey, mum! Guess how many elderly female subhuman scum I stabbed to death with that knife you sent me for my birthday today?" from the perpetrators themselves.

The official Japanese death toll was about 2000, but we're pretty sure that 200,000 civilians and a few POWs were killed during the course of it. Given that there were only a hundred thousand or so Japanese soldiers in and around the city at the time, this disproves the notion that each one massacred a small mountain of innocent civilians by themselves. The participation of most soldiers in the event was restricted to looting, or wisecracking as your mates tortured someone to death or shot some random people in the street on a whim, and finding someone to rape with thirty of your best friends. Now we know what you're thinking: "being raped by thirty-plus people, even if it does happen every day for a week, doesn't kill you!" That's true. But unfortunately, most Japanese soldiers "forgot" to feed the civilians they restrained for such purposes... and they had a nasty of habit of killing their play-things when they were bored with them.

>>14511149
>Never start a war you can conceivably lose.

We wouldn't have a country if we followed that policy. The more correct answer is "never start a war that you can never conceivably win"

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>>14511964
More like: "As a small nation, never start a war a bigger nation isn't going to win for you."

>>14512107

The colonies were also 1/5 the population of the entire British empire, and it's not like they were going to send EVERYTHING at us. Even before France got involved we stood a reasonable chance of at least suing for peace.

>>14511940
>I really don't know how you can deny Nanking

Except nobody ITT did this

>>14512516

I was just responding to the image.

>>14512516
Except the Japanese

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>>14496754
>Barefoot Gen is a load of hawkish right wing trash

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>>14496754
I've read some things on the internet, but wow

I used to think Japan must hate America because of the history between the two.

Then I moved to Japan, realized no one cares and most people are glad Japan lost, if they even have any feelings on the matter at all.

Japan isn't huwitto piggu go homu.

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>>14496384
It's because of their culture being relative to a constant form of prostration.In serving a monarchy, Germany lost their monarchy and the war that was an after effect of revolution against it by others.It's like getting mad because your friend that is just like you got blown away while you were doing something together. It's not racism it's just a historical fact that they had a more free society and a greater influence globally before the war and the sanctions and limitations after the war created a social order that expresses itself through sentimental contention for conformity and establishment as proletariat subjects in a closed society that serves a monarchy that is limited by WWII sanctions as well as an armistice and convention.

>>14507441
>They've spent 20 years hiding in holes being pissy but are made out to be honorable, noble idolists fighting the good fight.

The fuck are you talking about? It's made perfectly clear that they're fighting a battle that's pointless, and that Frontal is blatantly taking advantage of them at the cost of their lives. There's nothing honourable about that.

>>14506719
>>14506667

You are now aware that Japanese media is not completely dominated and monopolized by one side of the political debate the way it is in the US.

You have shows like Zipang which skewer Nationalism, and Japanese Imperial Nationalism in particular. But then you also have shows like High School of the Dead which is like having the uyoku dantai jerking off in your face for 24 episodes, and occasionally tits and zombies.

>>14515324
How is HotD political at all? I'm not saying you're wrong. I only watched a few episodes out of morbid curiosity and dropped it after I started to feel my brain leaking out of my ears.

>>14514029
So, the waito piggu go home thing is a funny story. It was originally a march about something else entirely, I believe it was low-wage immigrants undercutting Japanese workers in hotels but I could be wrong, then some guys from New Zealand or Australia happen to come out of the hotel and the one guy with a microphone yells at them and suddenly everyone feels incredibly awkward.

It's a great case of film misrepresenting the situation entirely.

>>14496384
Have you considered the many-a-LN where China and US are the bad guys and some Japanese self-insert plays god with lives

Like that Magician LN

>>14515883
It is pretty damn Japanese right wing, not Gate-tier but the fanservice isn't only in regards to the titty monsters.

>>14515883
>How is HotD political at all?
It isn't. Retards just project far fetched shit.

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>>14515994
>It isn't
Are you sure? I mean, it wasn't subtle at all when Saya's parents appeared.

>>14514029
>>14515900

I always wondered why people thought that guy with a megaphone (which clearly shows he isn't just anyone on the the street) is somehow representative of the population. Especially since you see all these other Japanese walking past with a "oh jesus not these guys" embarassed look on their face.

I don't see this guy and think "oh, this must be how the japanese are about foreigners and whites in general". I just think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYWbatgKN4g

>>14516069
It's a visual representation of the "vocal minority" idea, which will get misinterpreted if they are not aware of the entire thing

>>14516069
Most Japanese have never seen a foreigner in their life. When they do run into one they'll generally be perfectly nice and really just happy for an excuse to practice their (usually atrocious) English on someone. There is a general cultural attitude of "gaijin are fine...as long as they stay where they are", and there are lots of stereotypes about foreigners, but outright bigotry or hostility is rare. Most Japanese basically never have a reason to even think about non-Japanese. The country is very much insular (or, to put it another way, well up its own ass).

>>14516316
>Most Japanese have never seen a foreigner in their life.
So now you're saying there aren't any tourists in Japan, at any time? Come on now.

>>14516321
Around tourist spots like Tokyo and Kyoto, sure. But even there you're talking about huge cities, especially Tokyo. There are plenty of places you're very unlikely to ever run into a foreigner.

There are nearly 130 million Japanese, few of them have had any contact with non-Japanese.

>>14516316
I'm betting that you have never once been to Japan. Also, foreigner doesn't exclusively mean Europeans. They have plenty of Chinese, Korean, Filipino and South American temp workers all over Japan.

>>14516526
Because mutual antagonism between Japanese and other East Asians goes without saying and wasn't worth mentioning.

>>14514124

Mishima would've made a great US Republican candidate , closet homosexual and draft dodger

>>14516588
That has nothing to do with my post or your claims. Money shot in your face, bitch.

>>14516687
That's nice.

>>14516360
Sure, whatever you say.

Having come out 1970s Yamato's second episode, where did Central Anime get their information about the fact said second episode had to be altered due to usage of old Imperial Japanese Navy music having bad reminders of how Japan behaved in World War II? BTW, I read their history notes that they inserted in the credits, which play to the tune of Isao Sasaki's "Makka na Scarf".

>>14518246

I think their notes come from interviews and stuff

>>14518246

A translation of the source for that is here: http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/367/

Specifically the "The Warship March Event" section

>>14518546

But wouldn't that tidbit be proof that even Yamato itself had its fair share of problems when it came to showing something from World War II to audiences in 1970's Japan?

>>14496610
Americans were made to believe this by their government. It was all a cover-up.

MacArthur wanted the Emperor to stay around so they fabricated the whole "government dindu nothin" thing. He was a war criminal like everyone else, even more so.

If you don't believe me, look it up. Actual Japanese people say this.

>>14522486

Except we have documented incidents by the Japanese that the military could basically do whatever they wanted and killed people that disagreed.

I'm not saying the government was blameless, they supported the war effort even all the way through the Tokyo firebombings, but they couldn't really control their military.

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>>14522486
>MacArthur wanted the Emperor to stay around
Yeah, that might be because killing someone's god (which considering the war crimes we'd probably have to) is something that we kinda learned with Jesus that it doesn't tend to end well.

>>14522497
>Believing Jesus was a real, historical figure

Oh, you poor soul.

MacArthur just wanted to use him and the current government. Not much different than what the USA has done since then with puppet governments.

>>14505106
>China has no ambitions for Japan.
China has ambitions on EVERYTHING. Japan they're just more willing to wait on since there's smaller and less 'tied to the US' nations over there they can try to bully out of maritime and other rights.

>>14522497
>we
You a Jew? Because you certainly aren't a Roman.

>>14516668
>closet
Pls. He was an Hero of the Beach