シュヴァルツェスマーケン 殉教者たち 9/30 発売

>>14370931
Meant to say September, not August. Just woke up so I'm not exactly at the top of my mental game here.

Are /m/ threads free of that constant SM circlejerk with fanfiction garbage, which is shitting /a/ threads? I want to get off from that ride.

>>14370945
/a/ reporting, trailsnake popped in here once, that's as far as I know.

>>14370931
>(Katia's is the canonical "true" route from the LN and anime)
Almost as bad as Alternative being the Sumika route.

>>14370931
kusoge confirmed.

So, seven hours until counter reset?

>>14371020

What, because you don't get to romance a cunt?

>>14371034
no because muh power of friendship is true route. seems like some Shōnen shit whit a little edge.

>>14371042
What the Katia route? What did you expect?

>>14371048
was just hoping they could do better in VN not go with the trope that every other anime uses. its just feels flat and shows no imagination and is uninteresting. they should just finish TDA.

>>14371042
>>14371048
>>14371055
There's a reason why she's the least popular heroine.

>>14371055
Of course they should have finished TDA before even starting any side works, but since when has age done what they should? The canon ending of SM is pretty fucking bad but I'm curious to see if Kouki can fix it through the other routes.

>>14371065
doesn't matter if he fixes it in other routes because the true route is still shit and true rout is only that matters.

>>14371068
>Sumika is the only one who matters guys

>>14371092
SM is prequel. no ALT-universes shit. so what happens in SM true route is set in stone.

>>14371102
Yeah. I'm not happy about Katia being the true route either. I'd rather have "Sometimes, we must compromise between what is 'right' and what is necessary" that either Beatrix or Iris would embody over "These actions and sacrifices make us miserable so they must be bad".

>>14371113
>"Sometimes, we must compromise between what is 'right' and what is necessary"
There is no difference between the two.

>>14371119
yes there is. example. kill 1 guy to save 100. its not the right thing to do its not morally right. but is necessary for greater good.

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>>14371119

>"Your decision may not have been the "good" choice, but it was the correct choice. History progresses on the sacrifices of people, does it not?"

In the context of her little speech she was referring to what is moraly right. Jurgen was feeling depressed after he had to sacrifice some of his men to net a victory. So in an attempt to cheer him up, Beatrix told him that he did what he had too and that their deaths weren't in vain.

Just got the pre-gacha to reset, so I'm assuming it's resetting each day at midnight Japan time right ? So I basically was 10 minutes late yesterday ?

Fuck it. Good thing we have a 2 days break for Meiya.

>>14371132
To bad Schwarzesmarken goes out of it's way to show that Beatrix was wrong and Katia was right.

>>14371119
Konrad pls go

>>14371196
>healanon
I've been seeing it since it started and I still don't like it. Maybe because /a/ fanfiction gives me flashbacks to the events of 2014.

>>14370958

I've been there (and here) for months now, just not posting with my trip. Only reasons I still hang around the /a/ threads are healanon's stuff and SM spoilers, really.

Ironically, I didn't really like Muv-Luv very much before /a/'s threads helped pop me out of my rut and finish DTHW Movie The 1st. You ain't seen fanfiction garbage until you've seen my 200+ pages of oh god what help help send help /a/ /d/ /k/ /m/ and /tg/ exploded across my screen dear god no. I didn't like Kouki's wild ride so I made my own instead; you can never really leave, but you can still switch tracks.

inb4 autist, etc.

Fuck off back to /a/ with this "healanon" shit.

>>14371202

It kinda clicked with me for the most part. I don't know why. I guess I like his emotional responses and comfiness.

Of course, my own DTHW takes a completely different tack into old school Usenet-era madness, but that's just me being completely insane and writing at the same time, as many old tripfags can confirm.

Rolled SR mech. Hopefully, nothing will interfere with me getting to 150 coins.

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>>14371220
Nice. I got one too.

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Do we know anything about the actual mechanics of the game? As in, do we know what differences will happen in pic related ?

>>14371231
Well, that probably means that they have different abilities/stats.

>>14371034
>you don't get to romance a cunt
But you do get to do that. Everyone besides Beatrix is an unlikable cunt.

>>14371137
>Beatrix was wrong
She wasn't.

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>>14371220
>>14371229
Hopefully SR mechs arent as common as they were in Next Answer. I was pretty much drowning in them. Hoping to get more SSR TSF's though. Only got three of them during Next Answer.

>>14371269
I think that mechs will be more common than pilots. Because mechs don't need damaged clothes, voicing, or h scenes.

>>14371256

Except she was, because disregarding personal statements we know that any attempt to sacrifice the tattered, fatigued remnants of the GDR's forces and burn the nation to the ground to halt the BETA's advance and somehow lead to a counterattack from the west would end in failure because the BETA were nowhere near done landing Hives and the Oder-Neisse line was only barely holding.

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>>14371282
I don't mind them being more common than pilots. Just make them feel more "super rare". Unless I was just being lucky with them.

>>14371299
The pool is very limited now, so there's that. I wouldn't be surprised if they dilluted with mech equipment and pilot costumes too.

>>14371292
>nowhere near done landing Hives

The BETA have landed twice, in Kashgar and in Canada. They've build all other hives from scratch.

>Except she was

Hiroki said that she wasn't wrong. Interpret that as you will. Either way Martyrs will hopefully reveal the What ifs.

>>14371312

Okay, 'building' hives, the point is moot.

America's too busy doing fucking nothing outside of token contributions, did Beatrix really think that West Germany, France, Spain and the UK would be enough to turn the tables when Russia and China are gone?

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>>14371305
Hopefully they add more variety to the pool before release

>>14371208
If you're going to write that much, you might as well create your own world and characters. I'll never understand how people can get that passionate about characters and worlds that don't belong to them.

>>14371229
Guys i need to replace my old mecha with the new mecha i have if i want that one? Or all the rolls stay with me when the game start?

>>14371324
The Yanks did commit to the defence of Europe though. There are a number of stories about them helping make the evacuation a success, and Op. Neptune was their creation. Forcing NATO to commit fully to the Oder-Neisse, Sudeten-Carpathian and Lower Danube defence lines might have sounded like a plan in '83, for all we know.

>>14371339
I think you need to pick one from your rolls each time. Can't keep everything. Not that sure how this shit works though.

>>14371345
you need to click the button under the card you want to keep.

>>14371348
I fucked up then,got shiranui red colors but didnt choose him

>>14371358
Goddamn. I hope you roll it again later.

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>>14371256
>Everyone besides Beatrix is an unlikable cunt.
Wow. See something new everyday.

Is that Takemi 00R SSR and Meiya SR in pre gacha? I see pictures of them there, but havent noticed anyone getting them yet.

>>14371406
If they have pictures, they are there.
>tfw you make a full Meiya team

>>14371406
takemi will be in the second gatcha

>>14371420
When does second one start?

>>14371442
Closer to the end, I believe.

https://desustorage.org/a/search/text/%22Te%20spoiler%20guy%22/

>this autist

>>14371587
What about him?

how long does it take for twitter rolls to register? yesterday I just spammed the button until it worked, but my account got flagged as a bot and I had to give them my phone number to reactivate it.

>>14371627
No idea. Felt really random to me too. Though yesterday that gacha was bugged, so maybe it gets better now.

>>14371627
>reactivate
Just make another one. They probably wont care

Also, I have to try about ten times for both times to register.

>>14371651
>>14371655
what time do daily rolls reset? I don't want to miss out because it was taking too long to register.

>>14371658
I think it reseted 3 hours and 45 minutes ago last time. So midnight or something in japland

can someone post the current card pool? the panel that's supposed to show it isn't loading for me for some reason.

>>14371701
Refresh. Site bugs out sometimes.

>>14371709
I did like 10 times and it won't load.

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Just watched that gameplay video of Strike Frontier and at the beginning of video there is some Extra Event banner rolling, which has Meiya in swimsuit. So swimsuit event is the starter event for this game? Pretty sweet, if yes.

>>14371745
Maybe high load

>>14370931
>Katia's is the canonical "true" route from the LN and anime
That's silly. Theo chose Iris there.

>>14372039
They said in the Schwarzesfest that Lise and Iris were the added routes, Katia the canon.

>>14372046
I repeat, that's silly. Katia's not allowed to win in her own route? They're literally saying that there'll be two Iris routes, this is the sort of tripe that got joked about back in the day.

>>14372046
>Katia the canon.
The canon route is one where the girl doesn't even win the bowl?

>>14372063
Yup:

原作通りのカティアルートに加え、アイリス、リィズのルートが追加。

>>14372058
>>14372063
Yes, Katia gets imoutozoned. It wouldn't be surprising if Lise got imoutozoned as well in her own route as well.

>>14372067
I feel bad considering how the Katia route is aids.

The only opposition is Bond villains.

>>14372072
Why stop there? Iris will get the honor of being imoutozoned in her 'actual' route, and Theo will confess to a dying Katia.

Consider my hype deflated.

>>14372082
>Iris will get the honor of being imoutozoned in her 'actual' route
Let me see on the board, blonde fetishist not going for a blonde!

Huh, nothing there.

>>14372085
Hey, he didn't go for Katia in her own route so all the assumptions of what a "route" means for the other heroines, based on a standard understanding of VN routes, can be tossed out and forgotten.

>>14372097
You're completely disregarding the characters in a vapid attempt to seem like nothing can be predicted.

Theo loves blondes.
Theo saw his sister in Katia, hence he wanted to protect her and in the process she was imoutozoned, as she was a replacement.
Did I mention Theo loves blondes?

>>14372112
No, you moron, there's a simpler explanation, and that is I'm mad over how Katia doesn't win in her own route, and for the sake of fairness it should apply to the other girls.

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>>14372116
>and that is I'm mad over how Katia doesn't win in her own route
I almost feel sympathy for you.

Almost.

>>14372128
Screw you loser, your precious Beato got to win in a prequel and she'll obviously be fine in Extra. What does Katia get? Nothing, that's what.

>>14372116
>Katiafag complaining about fairness
>Katiafag wants to bring everyone else down if he can't win
Today is just full of surprises.

>>14372142
Am I not allowed to express sorrow? How utterly unusual.

>>14372151
>sorrow
You mean "vitriol"? You've clearly lost any composure you might've had.

>>14372139
>Beatrix in BiS
>winning

Turning into a monster, losing your only friend and your lover counts as winning nowadays, huh?

>>14372163
Hey, I'll calm down later, but I reserve my right to be angry for now. I already knew that this was coming unlike most - main heroines in LNs get the first and last volume covers, and we all know Iris isn't present there, so by process of elimination the main heroine ain't the love interest - but it still sucks.

>>14372168
Hey, she got a kissu.

>>14372168
>your only friend and your lover
Iris and Beatrix were lovers?

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>>14372168
Well, Katiafags count destroying a country as "winning". Minor intangible things like love and friendship is a small bump on the road.

>>14372182
You bet. Jurgen? Lavender marriage.

>>14372182
I meant Jürgen.

>>14371344

>Token contributions

Never anything in force, never anything to truly drive the BETA back. A few Tomcats and Warthogs don't make an army, nor do they demonstrate any willingness on the part of the States to help in anything more than holding actions and minor clean-ups operations.

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Oh, almost forgot

Beta release never
Full release never
Alternative never
Strike Frontier never
Forefront never
Gun hazard never
Any 3D TSF game NEVER EVER
ded franchise
ded games
ded threads
ded waifus
ded TSFs
ded sergeants
ded Valkyries
ded slav espers
ded stasi agents
ded hope
postan best ded and her sister

>>14372322
>Any 3D TSF game NEVER EVER
There's a 3D "get fucked by tanks" simulator.

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>>14372325
>"get fucked by tanks" simulator.
So yeah, 3d -TSF- game never

>>14372329
A TSF shows up at the end though.

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>>14372339
>You are the sad bastard with a Kalashnikov
>not the one piloting
So yeah, never ever

>>14371756
>So swimsuit event is the starter event for this game?
It does seem so. The'll probably wait a little while before starting the event though as the starting gacha will be enough for the first few weeks.

>>14370945
No.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11711826/1/The-Lukewarm-War

Here's a SM fanfic.

>>14372372
>ich kümmern sich nicht wo oder wie, finde mich ein steuereinheit
and i'm done.

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>>14372184
More like saved East Germany.

>>14372387
Thx for your input.

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>>14372526
cool story bro

>>14372535
That was inevitable. Katia insured that as many people survived as possible. The anime does end on a hopeful note after all.

>>14372526
And Katia's going to try to "rescue" even more people. You gotta love this girl. She's just gonna keep on trying, even if it kills every last German. Be sure to stop by and tell her thanks.

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>>14372542
>She's just gonna keep on trying, even if it kills every last German.

I think you're confused.

>>14372552
>I think you're confused.
"It's Beatrix. She did it. All of it", huh?

>>14372561
It's true. If you're some cockgobbling globalist trash like Beatrix, yeah, she's not 'evil', but you're the only kind that thinks she's not pure scum.

>>14372572
Life begins at the other side of despair.

>>14372561
>Beatrix's entire point is humans need to be sacrificed because they will never unite to beat the BETA together
>The biggest roadblock that's causing them to stay in chaos is Beatrix's side being murderous, untrustworthy, power-hungry psychos trying to overthrow the established order
>Total self-fulfilling prophecy
>There are people who think Beatrix has a valid point to make because "B-b-b-but mai fraulein waifu."

>>14372572
>>14372590
The state can survive any number of fools running it, even the ambitious. It won't survive treason from within.

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>cutest muv luv
>best mech
>Actually survived

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>>14372617
she's dead jim

>>14372617
Don't forget sexy as fuck

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>>14372650
Can't forget that.

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>>14371327

I actually sort of did.

Depending on the exact Doing-Things series and installment, all the characters can be original, with other series' stuff only showing up as window dressing and cameos at best (if at all), while the myriad of Doing-Things universes are basically a crazy crossover mashup of things that nobody would have thought would ever work together. Also, even if I appropriate characters, themes, and other stuff from other series, I always modify them significantly to fit into DT's wild and wacky universes, so you get the sense that this really isn't a conventional fanfic where the characters, settings, and themes are just lifted out of the source material with minimal changes. That said, Movie The 1st was absolute madness because it needed to be, in order to bring the backstory and mythos to the next stage, break out of the rut DTHW had been stuck in for years.

Besides, I'm having fucking fun using my imagination and all that shit. Fun. You know, the thing you're not allowed to have on /m/ or 4chan in general?

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>>14372680
I find this color better

>>14372687
I find this one the best of all.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/693882

>>14372617
Here, let me fix that for you: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11104533/1/Uzhin

I don't even care about Strike Frontier, I just want the HCGs

>>14372825
Mah nigga. Panda rip when?

>>14372825
Shouldn't be too hard to make a h-scene viewer like TABA has.
If the game is popular enough then it's almost sure we'll get one for this too.

>>14372825
how are they even going to work? are they with whoever the protagonist of their game was or is this ntr frontier?

>>14373265
It's true self-insert kun. With a personality as vacant as your eyes, all the women will fall for you and none can keep their legs closed. Even Sumika, the maiden of true love, is helpless before your might!

>>14373265
The protagonist don't exist, so you can waifu any of the heroines.

So romances would be:

>ML: Meiya, Sumika, Chizuru, Ayamine, Tamase, Yoroi
>TE: Yui, Stella, Cryska, Inia, Cui
>SM: Iris, Lise, Katia

>>14373298
>Even Sumika, the maiden of true love, is helpless before your might!
This better be an AU were Takeru doesn't exist at all. Anything else is simply not acceptable.

>>14373298
>>14373339
So who'd be the other representatives of "true love"?

>>14373355
Me. I'm the greatest.

>>14373355

ML: Sumika of course
TE: Cryska
TDA: Yuzuka
SM: Katia

>>14373360
>SM: Katia
>Not Lise or Beatrix

What

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>>14373605
You know it.

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>>14373605
Lise tried to kill Theo. She's a yandere, so her love inherently is selfish. Furthermore, she does not love the true Theo, but merely a mental image she has of him.

Beatrix doesn't have a shred of good in her. She embodies the very worst aspects of mankind. Hatred and cruelty are the only things she can feel. Every breath, step, and action she takes is turned towards evil.

Katia is the only one who loves Theo purely and unconditionally, hence why she is the Sumika of SM.

>>14373661
Beatrix is literally the perfect woman.

>>14373661
And guess she doesn't win Theo as he still feel guilty for Lise and is hung up over Irisdina. Also he turns evil. Way to go to Katia. What a shit Heroine.

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>>14373697
I think killing Beatrix helped him get some closure for Lise. As for Iris, he'll move on from her. It'll likely be Katia's death that turns Theo into the Master, thus showing that in the end, she was his morality chain.

>>14373682
She's the physical ideal of beauty, but there isn't a blacker heart to be found.

>>14373697
We will be getting a continuation for this one day won't we?

>>14373757
I'd rather have a BiS VN first.

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>>14373757
>one day
Duty Lost Arcadia is the next big thing, and you guessed it, The Master will be there pulling his evil keikakus.

Will you guys be able to resist the lure of CG rips when Martyrs comes out? You know people will post them in threads regardless. I, for one, am buckling down to read it when it comes out.

>>14373863
No, I'll be spamming Theo/Iris scenes and penetration when it comes out.

So, I'm pretty sure I skipped the first day, how fucked am I? No Meiya for me?

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>>14373929
> penetration
> MAXIMUM PENETRATION

Theo edited into this pic, when?!

>>14374006
Well, count the days you have left. You need 150 coins, including the bonus on milestones.

And even if you don't get her, you'll have coins for the release gacha regarless

>>14374360
>the bonus on milestones
Such as? That might save me to be honest.

>>14374402
Its on the page. In the bottom.

>>14374408
From what I understand though, what you need is 150 rolls, which would mean that I'm already screwed.

>>14374458
The campaign last for 32 days in total if they include a last roll on 07.18, and if not, 31 then. Knowing that you need 5 rolls each day for 30 days to get to 150, you can skip at least one day without problem, maybe two ( But don't count too much on that ).

>>14374463
Welp, looks like I missed the first two days then. I sure hope we'll be able to roll on the 18th.

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>>14373661
Lise sold herself out to save Theo no matter the personal cost, and later was willing to do whatever it takes to protect him even if she had to save him from his own impossibly suicidal plan to fight the stasi directly. And it was, what allowed the rebellion to succeed was something no one could have predicted. She is literally incapable of living only for herself, if she wasn't Axmann would have succeeded in turning her into a mini me but no matter how much he broke her down thats just not the kind of person she is. She was driven insane by circumstances you can't imagine and placed in a lose/lose situation, judging her based on what you know about the big picture as an outside observer is ludicrous.

I know you have a very simplistic view of how the world works much like your waifu but calling Lise selfish is grossly misunderstanding the point of the character and writing her off under an archetypal banner simply because its easier than excepting the fact that there is some painful nuance to it.

You're right about one thing Katia truly is the Sumika of SM but not for the reasons you stated. Funny how she didn't get paired with the protagonist in his birthday pic like they always do with the main heroes' tru rabu.

>>14374565

Well, he's exactly right when talking about her animated depiction.

>>14372686
What survival kit would you recommend for the BETA?

>>14374584
Even only talking about that version he gets it wrong. To call her selfish or lacking true love is a straight up lie, it was that selfless love that was exploited and used for Axmann's own personal gain.

>>14373329
>No Haruko
>No Sharon
>No TDAs of any kind

>>14374655

Well, maybe, but she certainly wasn't driven insane. She seemed to outright enjoy what she did.

>>14374733
It was pretty clear she was insane to me brother. Are you the idiot who thinks Armani is a victim or whatever?

>>14374775
Hulk Hogan pls go

>>14374781
I meant Axmann and who is Hulk Hogan?

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>>14374798
>and who is Hulk Hogan?
Wake me up when September ends.

>>14374824
I am 25.

Is the Gacha down or something?

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>>14374733
>she certainly wasn't driven insane
Holy fucking shit what am I dealing with.

>>14374962

Okay, I admit this requires some clarification - not the 'my mind is broken and I have no choice but to endure this torment' insane, the 'I fucking love my job and the rush I get from murdering people' insane.

Anime Lise was never shown as some sort of tortured soul doing what she did for her adoptive brother, at least up until moments before her death, she was portrayed as someone so into what she did that she may as well have joined the Stasi of her own volition instead of being made into one of Axmann's fuck toys.

I think those screenshots, as well as Lise smirking like a Saturday morning cartoon villain and twirling her hair as her comrades are tortured, do a good job of displaying that.

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>>14374985
>my mind is broken and I have no choice but to endure this torment
I saw plenty of that, but you're right that there was a pretty big discrepancy. Her portrayal flip flops between sadistic villain and tragic heroine so much that you could validate either, its a mess. They mention brainwashing so maybe thats what they were going for, hence why the only way Theo could "save" her was by putting her out her misery.

>>14374871
there is a maintenance till 02:00

>>14374985
No it was pretty clear she was put through a lot. You are the guy who thinks Axmann is a victim aren't you.

>>14375245

I couldn't give a tenpenny fuck about what Axmann is, all I'm saying is that the anime portrayed Lise as an unfeeling, murderous cunt for 95% of her screen time when she dropped the act.

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>>14375245
I don't, but the anime bizarrely makes him more sympathetic then even some of the people he tortured. They dialed back how much of a sadistic fuck he is by removing baby rock or GUN. He's still bad, but he come's off as a sort of rational, self interested type of bad rather then evil as fuck like Beatrix or even Lise.

Deal with Axmann is is that his villainy is dealt with matter-of-factly. The anime does not wallow in his evil acts screaming "look at how bad he is" like many of the other characters. There is no hair twirl or "Those girls are dead *evil smirk*" for Axmann. He's hardly ever shown actually getting into murder or torture to the extent of the other stasi. Except for one line from Lise, the anime implies that the one who's mostly responsible for Lise's condition is Beatrix.

tldr; Sadistic qualities in Axmann are downplayed while hyped up in others leading to misplaced audience sympathy.

>>14375471
Don't forget that one line in episode 12 that hinted at him being a victim.

>>14374233
LN is way more bloody, so it'll be interesting how they'll render penetration as that scene should be extremely gory.

>>14375471
I think that's the audience's fault then because my sympathies were still with Lise. You people are just crazy.

>>14375280
She was clearly crazy due to abuse bro. You just have no comprehension.

>>14375667
Most of the audience was busy hating Beatrix.

So, you'll get 240 coins after 50 rolls?
Because bonus coins are 10 30 50 100.
If you spend 150 on SSR, you'll still have 90 left.

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Goddamn that twitter shit included with SF pre gacha is buggy. Currently gotten all 20 rolls thusfar, but I'm sure that shit bugs out at some point and I miss like one or two rolls from Meiya SSR.

>>14375680
Well that's okay. The only way Beatrix wasn't going to do evil acts is if her morality chain didn't die. And he died.

And if Theo being the Asshat is true then the same will happen to him.

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>>14375667
Are we though? Axmann is shown to be the most human of all the stasi and the one least likely to fuck you up for no reason.

>>14375693
Of course. Hidden snakes are just as bad as visible ones.

>>14375681
I thought you need 150 rolls to get Meiya and coins are just bonus with it.

>>14375700

>Beatrix is kind of a one-note villain in the original novels.

>Now that I’m reevaluating Beatrix as a character, it occurs to me that she and Axemann are set up to represent different types of evil. Beatrix is someone who believes wholeheartedly in her evil cause. Axemann, however, has no ideology. He seeks only to gain power for himself. He was part of the Stasi because he held power there. When things went south, he sought an alliance with the revolution, extracting a promise that he would be part of their new government. When it looked like they were going to lose, he threw in with Beatrix and the Moscow faction. And when the people started to rise up against them, he hoped to seek refuge with the CIA. He has no cause – he will serve whoever will keep him in power.

>So there’s something to think about: who is the greater evil? The one who devotes herself mind and soul to evil? Or the one who serves, but has no loyalty to, an evil cause?

>>14375706
Yeah, the rolls and reward have the same runes. Oh, well, that means you'll have 240 coins to spend, whenever release happens

>>14375711
>type94
kek GTFO

>>14375711
Is this faggot implying that Axmann is less evil then Beatrix? And he's read the LN? What the fuck?

>>14375711
Knowingly working with evil is just as bad being evil yourself.

>>14375760
Type94 says that Beatrix is just straight evil for the sake of being evil, whereas Axmann is using evil for a purpose. Basically, for Beatrix, the means are the ends.

>>14375711
Honestly you made Axmann sound worse.

>>14375711
>I got the first Schwarzesmarken Blu-Ray disc in a while back, and I was surprised and pleased to find that each disc will come with a booklet with notes from author Hiroki Uchida on each episode. One interesting thing that Uchida reveals in the notes for episode 2 is that, during the script meetings for the anime, he and director Tetsuya Watanabe had a long discussion about the scene where Irisdina executes her brother Jurgen. This was right about the time that Uchida was about to start writing Bernhard im Schatten, a Schwarzesmarken prequel story focusing on Irisdina, Beatrix, and Jurgen, and Uchida mentions that the discussion they had helped shape the story he was about to write. In episode 12, you can clearly see how this discussion also influenced the anime, as it is packed with references to the relationship between the three characters. Almost none of these references existed in the original novel (in fact, I don’t think Jurgen even had a name at the time – he was just “Irisdina’s brother”). These references especially help shed light on Beatrix’s state of mind, suggesting that she believes, in her own way, that she is carrying on Jurgen’s will in helping to save the world. These new additions, along with her much more sympathetic portrayal in Bernhard im Schatten, help to make Beatrix a much more rounded character – she’s kind of a one-note villain in the original novels.

I can quote "head in his ass" Type-94 as well.

Note that other LNfags and japs disagree on the whole "one-note villain".

>>14375773
Still evil.

>>14375776
this guy probably can't read Japanese too well to pick up on subtle clues. so he may actually believe he is correct.

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>>14374645

The classic, because of Federation/TSAB technobabble and EMERGENCY COMMAND HOLOGRAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dK_31_mLPQ

>mfw 4chan post size limits prohibit the proper posting of the Survival Kit

>>14375804

Fuck, forgot my trip.

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>>14375776
>>14375786
Well, here's what the guy who translated SM into Chinese had to say. It's kind of a hard read, since he sucks at English, but it gets the Asian audience sentiments across.

On Lise:

>Well, Lise is a complex character.When I was translating her own story,I felt something strange.See from Theo she was in an evil force,so she was of evil;but see from herself,she was great and with a strong heart,everyone who was in her place would do like her,yeah,what she had done was right and rational.

>As a matter of fact,in China,many fans paid attention to her.Not because of the forced slut,but also for she was different from other chatacters. In all muv-luv series maybe she was the only character who was mostly like a real person.

On Beatrix:

>I am not sure if Beatrix liked darkness,but I am sure that Beatrix chose a way of evil because it was necessary. I believe that she had to chose a way of evil but never sank in evil.

>Before the last fight with Theo, Beatrix was in her hangar. In the light novel, it wrote "To join the STASI, to command the Werewolves, to connect with the United Nations with this position, all of these are just methods to realize a dream"

>Maybe she was full of evil, but at least there was still a place for her ideal, she knew what she want.Just like a man likes drinking wine but he never get drunk.

>Of course,still I have a question too,she looked much more pure when Juergen was alive,much more different with her in 1983.So there must be some large events when Juergen was still alive.

There's also the anicobin poll asking if Beatrix plan to fully mobilize the DDR and allow the UN into East Germany was right. 55% of those surveyed apparently agreed with Beatrix.

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>>14374985
>I think those screenshots... do a good job of displaying that.
The screenshots of her being crazy after years in the funhaus imply she would be like this with a normal life? Are you saying you get the impression she would have chosen this life on her own?

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>>14375820
(continued)

LN/VN readers also visit /a/ quite a lot. I know Genya is confirmed to lurk and Kuki (クーキ over on Pixiv) is a huge fan of Healanon's works. There's a few others, enough where they've actually had conversation in Jap/Chink over on /a/ at times.

Here's what one of them had to say about Beatrix:

ベアトリクスの思い描いてる理想的な強権国家みたいなのはベータ戦争では必要悪かもしれんアクソマン、おまえはダメです

He said that everything Beatrix did was a "necessary evil" while saying that Axmann is always wrong. (He also dropped some interesting spoilers about Axmann's original intentions for letting Lise join the Werewolves was to have a spy in the Moscow faction).

So yeah, everyone says what she's doing is pretty bad, but it's up to debate whether she herself was evil by nature/choice, and if the evil she practiced was necessary.

>>14375820
>Just like a man likes drinking wine but he never get drunk.

You can interpret the anime as the contrary to this position. Whatever her original intentions in '78, by '83 she is not only "drunk" on evil, she is a full-blown alcoholic, who happens to be in denial as well.

Seems to me to be a good compromise on the anime's take. Two years in the Stasi turned Lise into, well whatever she is supposed to be, and seven years, during two of which she still had a morality chain turned Beatrix into the sadistic killer shown in the anime.

>>14375820
Lise was a comfort woman so of course the Chinese would understand her best.

>>14375776
>>14375786
>>14375752
Why does everyone just assume T-94 is the wrong one here?

>>14375982
I guess it's because it's one person versus many.

>>14375982
Word on the street is he's only relevant due to his Japanese reading skills.

>>14375990
>>14375994
Yeah, but those opinions aren't usually aren't backed up like Type-94. Being anonymous, they lack any credibility.

>>14376003
Also, most of what T-94 and others before him said was backed up by the anime. Who am I to trust then. A bunch of anonymous nobodies saying the anime was wrong, or Type 94?

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>>14376005
>this entire post
You go and do your own retarded thing, Anonymous. Just don't be surprised when people call you a retard for doing it.

>>14376011
Well, I remember for the 3 years running up to the anime that people were saying that Beatrix was the most evil, sadistic person to feature in a Mabu-Rabu title yet, and the anime didn't provide any evidence to the contrary.

>>14376005
So a bunch of anonymous nobodies or a namefag who speaks jap? Having a pseudonym doesn't add credibility, it just makes you stand out. We already have other opinions "with names" which contradict him >>14375820.

So, did you get your today's rolls?

>>14376022
>and the anime didn't provide any evidence to the contrary.
You keep parading the anime around as some sort of irrefutable proof of something. You are aware that the anime and the LN are not the same consistent story, right? Meaning any comparisons for "evidence" is irrelevant as they aren't telling the same story.

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>>14376031
No changes for me except coins and roll count.

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>>14376056
>>14376031
Rolled best mubrub

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>>14376031

>>14376034
It's not irrefutable, but it is official.

Will that R18 version of game work without VPN too like this pre gacha does? Kinda weird how that all ages version is blocked outside Japan.

>>14375847

Given that the anime's take on events showed that she loved what she did as a Stasi agent because the Stasi needed to be evil because the director was worried he'd offend people, I dunno. Might as well, considering how poorly the show handled some of the characters.

>>14376082
And it officially handled things completely different. And you officially selectively replied to a part of my post that boils down to arguing semantics.

>>14376082
Yes the VN and LN are official too. Same with the manga and the prequel.

>>14376088
>she loved what she did
What the hair twirl? You know a person can still smile even if they're dead on the inside. Considering she was taken crying and screaming theres nothing to assume she would have joined willingly.

>>14375854
> Kuki (クーキ over on Pixiv) is a huge fan of Healanon's works
>Japs reading Western fanfiction

Why is the Muv-Luv fandom so weird?

>>14376139
Because its one of the more homogeneous ones internationally. Chinks, Japs, Euros and Yanks all more or less agree or are divided into comparable groups.

>>14375886
That never happened, though.

>>14376169
She's a swallow, mate.

>>14376176
I mean the comfort woman thing. Same as the Fake of Nanking.

>Muv Luv depicting Stasi as evil
Come on, people, current russian president was the youngest Stasi colonel to date, and he's not evil.

>>14376200
Putin oversaw anti-Western stasi operations as a colonel. He'd basically be one of the KGB handlers Beatrix trolls in ML.

>>14376211
Not anti-Western, but Pro-Russian. He even calmed a drunk mob, that already made a mess of several other buidings, and came to Stasi building, with nothing but a reminder of his duty.

Honestly, he'll be cunning and foreplanning, but not an antagonist.

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I wonder if we'll get T-50 and Berkut in the mobage.

>>14376235
How would Sandek have reacted to Beatrix if they had to work together?

>>14376113

I think it's time to stop making excuses for a slipshod portrayal here.

>>14376247
He would crush her.

>>14376247
Useful scapegoat to be used when you can't put the blame on the Yanks.

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>>14376247
He'd smile and take her cheek, then stab her in the back. Sandek is the real deal, a dangerous mother fucker, and Beatrix would be reduced to a damaged little girl in the face of his ruthlessness and intelligence.

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>>14376031
It was okay/10

>>14376279
Nice. You still might be able to get Meiya SSR, if you make fake twitter account too.

>>14376252
Fuck it you're right.

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I never watched MLA beyond the first episodes, should I finish it?

>>14376311

Well okay.

I mean, I get your point, and it's valid, but the anime's depiction of the Stasi was questionable at best and vile at worst, we all know that.

>>14376331
The stasi were pretty evil in RL too. I don't think the anime was overdoing it.

>>14376314
>calling TE "MLA"
Holy shit I'm triggered.

>>14376340
They weren't evil per se, they were the counterintelligence service for what was considered a frontline country. .

They probably did shady stuff, but I don't think they were the Reaper, or did USSR year 37 purges.

>>14376355
To show an example, Gundam Origin manga had a Chinese mech pilot that was portrayed as a human on the other side of war.

Anime showed her as a completely insane maniac that was put out of her misery.

>>14376356
Origins was better then the original series. The unsympathetic portrayal of Zeon arguably enhanced the drama.

>>14376394
Sorry, it wasn't Origin. It was Unicorn. Confused the two.

Kinda like Original gundam more. I mean, the leaders that twisted an ideal to self serving purpose were evil, but regular people were still just people.

Maybe its my inner Setsuna talking, I don't know.

They tried to fix the twitter rolls. Not successfully, as it seems.

>>14376424

Who on Earth was Chinese in Unicorn?

>>14376459
The pilot of the big mech during the antagonist faction's ground assault.

The one that Banana connected telepathically to.

>>14376536
...Loni? the brown Muslim girl?

The one with crippling newtype autism that makes her go all crazy MUH IDEALS even when they aren't even her ideals?

Man her situation is nuanced even in the OVA. She's trapped by family baggage much like other characters in the series, and she nearly escapes it thanks to Banana, but ultimately gets melted by Riddhe who is utterly chained to the Marcenas curse.

Unicorn has a lot about people trapped by the mistakes made by (usually) dead people who came before them.

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/456570/?snr=1_7_7_230_150_2
>we lost TSF Forefront for this garbage

>>14376551
She was muslim? I was sure she was Chinese.

>>14376424
>I mean, the leaders that twisted an ideal to self serving purpose were evil

Well, that describes Beatrix, Axmann, and Schmidt pretty well.

>>14376562
At least it's free ;_;

>>14376583
It might not be ML Armored Core edition, but its something,

>>14376562
TSF Forefront has been in development hell almost as long as KuF 2.

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>>14376031
Hope I manage to get Chizuru before game launches.

how do you unlock the porn

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Do we only get to keep one card?

Does that mean I should stop?

>>14378346
Keep the card, but also keep rolling.

>>14378346
Keep the card you want. Keep rolling for 150 rolls reward and release gacha coins.

>>14378346
Do you get to fuck Yui?

>>14378310
Wait until the game launches first.

>>14378406
Most likely yes.

What is the reason for lewd version of Strike Frontier working outside nipland and all ages being blocked?

>>14378806
Safeguarding children from gaijin, maybe.

>>14376141
that garbage will never end, right?

SM 2nd VN definite release date on 30 September if you missed it.

>>14378806
Don't know but I'm glad it isn't the opposite.

>>14378916
only route worth reading will be lises route and only if it will be STASI route.

Remember to roll before jps lag the site again.

お知らせ 補填につきまして一部内容と日時を変更し下記の通り実施させていただきます。 【実施日時】6/22(水)0:00 【内容】1:第一弾終了までガチャ回数を3→5回に増加 2:スロットコイン30枚付与 【変更点】コイン付与対象を全ユーザーに変更

Some kind of gacha update and maybe compensation for problems with gacha?

>>14379025
Everyone gets 5 daily rolls instead of 3 + 30 coin tokens as compensation for the fuck-ups.

>>14378234
so this game ended up being a gacha FGO clone?

>>14379061
Its a pre-release gacha, not the game itself

>>14379057
>No more laggy twitter reposts

>Get melee SR mech
>Then get ranged SR mech
Decisions, decisions

>>14379057
Seriously? Damn, I'm happy if that is the case. Can't get those two twitter rolls to load into gacha now at all.

>>14379082
Keep the one you think looks the best. They are still just SR units.

>>14379082
i was in the same position. i picked ranged one.

>>14379083
They repeatedly tried to fix it, but its just too overloaded.

So any idea where those coins are used and how valuable those are ingame?

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>>14379108
they are like bit coins

only useful for purchasing MiG-21's on the deep web

>>14379108
No idea. I think just below one roll is typical compensation for mobages.

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My body is ready for that swimsuit event in SF.

Can you not keep a second card in the Gacha?

>>14379135
We have a 2nd slot, i guess it will open somewhere down the line.

Why? what did you get?

>>14379135
No. For now you can keep only one card.

>>14379140
I guess second slot opens at halfway point when they add that Takemi SSR and Meiya SR in the gacha.

>>14379108
They'll most likely be the in-game currency for rolling the gacha, probably 10 for each roll. If they keep making it so that you get one coin back for every roll than it's pretty close to the mobage standard of giving something like 1 extra roll for each 10 rolls you make.

>>14379127
I'll try to save as many possible rolls for now. The free SR Meiya is enough to stop me from being too tempted to roll for another card of her. If the game turns out to be fun though then I might even consider spending some money on it.

I still only got 3 rolls

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Do I keep my normal Eagle-chan or my rare curry lesbian?

>>14379249
Rare

>>14379249
Rare. You'll almost certainly get all normal cards after the game starts.

>>14379169
You mean that change to 5 rolls per day without twitter shit? It changes in two days. Its still three rolls without it for everyone.

Will card art rips go up on the interwebs soon, or only when the game starts?

>>14379314
After the game starts.

>>14379314
>>14379328
No guarantee. Not even nips ripped sprites from NA.

Last day of birdtalk rolls? Or is it going to be tomorrow as well?

I had 75 coins yesterday in gacha, but now its 45. What the fuck are they doing again?

>>14383059
I think you are supposed to have 45? Five days of five rolls and 20 bonus

>>14383074
I thought it was that 30 coin compensation. Well, its gone now. I guess they give them at some other point. Don't know why they were added to my gacha yesterday.

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Who would turn off any voice in a VN ?

>>14383238
Shituru, Slutmika, Tamass, Slutumiya.

>>14383238
Heathens, that's who.

>>14383238
None

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>>14383243
> shitting on Chizuru
you heartless bastard.

>go to roll for muvluvs
>5 normal and 2 birdtalk rolls
Didn't they want to remove the latter tomorrow?

>>14383344
I got 6+2 rolls

>>14383350
Did they break something again.
お待たせいたしました。 メンテナンスが終了しましたのでお知らせいたします。 表示がうまくされない場合はブラウザを再読み込みしてください。 ご迷惑をお掛けして申し訳ありません。

>>14383358
Also, surprisingly, birdtalk rolls work without problem now

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Still no SSR for me

>>14383363
Talk for yourself, got to click like 10 times and publish 7 tweets to get the 2 rolls.

>>14383364
Same setup here.

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>>14383364
You at least have a SR

>>14383238
I'm turning off Takeru. You can't self-insert properly if the MC has a voice.

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>>14383901
>Self-inserting

>>14383916
All VN are made for self-inserting, especially Muv-Luv.

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>>14383928
>All VN are made for self-inserting

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>>14383901
>self-insert

>>14383901
>self-insert
I hope for your sake you know Japanese, pal.

>>14383928
You do NOT want to self insert as Takeru. Trust me on this.

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>>14383901
>self-insert
>AS TAKERU OF ALL PEOPLE
prepare for maximum suffering, the ride

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>>14383998
I did not want to remember this pain.

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>>14383998

>>14383238
sumika ofc most annoying voice in muv-luv

>>14383238
Takeru is voiced?

>>14384199
in the original game he had just a few lines afaik. don't know if that changed in the remakes/ports.

>>14384331
I know about the couple of flashbacks where he gets a voice but I don't remember him having anything outside of those.

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Are you ready, /m/?

>>14384522
I wonder how explicit the scenes will be.

>>14385378
I meant to delete it, but apparently you only have like 30 minutes. Now it's just a matter of time.

To answer your question it'll probably be vanilla stuff. I just hope there's a ton of girls with content.

>>14384522
What's that where's this from?

>>14384199
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A9RsgBmyHo

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>>14376424
How the fuck do you confuse the two? Are you actually retarded?

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>>14386982
I don't know. Maybe because Unicorn also talked about things before the first war, so they kinda blended together in my memory.

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>>14386996
And you thought Loni was Chinese.

Yeah.

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>>14387004
I did.

>>14387012
Shingeki no Bahamut any good?

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>>14387015
First episode, yes. Maybe second too.

>>14383365
And today I got my 2 Twitter rolls without tweeting anything.

I don't understand anymore.

>>14387430
I had 5+2 rolls now. Really had to work with that second twitter roll once again. Buggy shit

Damn, I got the wrong SR.

>>14376580
Except the problem is that of the three, Beatrix alone got a good dose of Cima Garahau Syndrome (remember that bullshit justification Mayfly in Space shoved down our throats that Cima 'had no idea' that it was poison gas she was pumping into the Colonies during the OYW?) as to make her 'more attractive and likeable' to her fans, in response to AGE finding out that Beatrix had a much larger fanbase than they had expected and wanted to keep said fanbase happy.

BiS is essentially Beatrix's equivalent of MiS, pretty much.

>>14389622
But her motivations and love affair with Iris's brother are hinted at in the main story, and SM had an afterword where Hiroki said that he had big things planned for her.

>>14389622
Beatrix does kind of look like a young Cima.

>>14389622
Cima is just stupid not evil. Even with the backstory, Beatrix is still a really bad person with a shitty personality.

>>14390107
>Beatrix is still a really bad person with a shitty personality
You're mixing up Beatrix with Iris.

>>14389622
> Beatrix get fucked by Stasi somehow & join them later because "i'm fucked up & muh Jurgen is dead, why not fucked up some more?"
> Cima blindly follow zeek's MUH IDEALS & get fucked by Zeon. later Zeon kick her out, labeled her & her crews as 'outlaw pirates' stuff, or sort of that

i would not say it was 'dose of Cima Garahau syndrome', because it was somehow different scenario.
but then i could comprehend what you try to say, both was fucked up.

>>14390371
>Beatrix chose evil.
>Cima did not.

>Beatrix continues to do evil shit on her own.
>Cima does not.

>Beatrix likes being evil.
>Cima regrets the one act of evil she was tricked into.

>Beatrix stayed evil.
>Cima helped the Federation

Cima deserves our sympathy. She's a tragic person tricked into doing what she did and still wants to redeem herself. Beatrix, on the other hand, is a smug bitch to everyone, is a huge sadist, and practically breathes evil.

>>14387015
A vast improvement over the other Shingeki