This is a canon Star Wars film. It cost 115 million dollars.

>>14300443
TPM > shit > TFA

>>14300459
Anakin pls go away

>>14300443
This is bad, even for Star Wars. But let's be honest. Star Wars fucking sucks.

>>14300545
The cross section books are nice.

>>14300443

It's such a shame that Lucas originally envisioned him as a normal character with normal speech and so on, but then changed him during production to be more of a Buster Keaton reference.

>>14300582
That's an insult to based Buster Keaton. Lucas should be punished.

but darth jarjar xD

t.redditcuck

>>14300540
Fuck off JJ

It's good as a children's flick. I was six years old when I saw it in theaters and I loved the shit out of the movie. I think the real problem is with anyone who is over 18 years of age and still identifies as a Star Wars fan.

>>14300552
>Star wars
>books
pick one

>>14300604
You need to be 18 to post here... wait a second.

>2016-1999=17
>17+6=23

Fuck, I'm old.

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>>14300607
I'll pick two.

>>14300645
I had so many of those books, man, fuck. Nostalgia overload. Wonder if they ever did a single compilation book with all previous material in it? I would read the ever loving fuck out of that.

>>14300650
They did. I grabbed it when I was getting the one from the new movie.

They added TIE Bomber and some synopsis about the tech progression through the series.

>>14300656
I've gotta run out and get it soon, thanks for the heads up.

The designs for the Droid Army are top notch though.

Most of the mechanical designs in the Prequels are great, it's just that the writing is often lackluster.

It feels like JarJar was an attempt to have something like the Ewoks and Han's occasional moments of dumb luck rolled into one.

>>14300714
>The designs for the Droid Army are top notch though.

The grunt droids's head and torsor are straight up copies of some Art Nouveau statue.

>>14300714
Well jar jar was the key to all this. If they could get jar jar working... Because they'd never had a funny character like jar jar before.

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>TFW Star Wars always sucked

>Star Trek always sucked

>Galactica was shit

>Doctor Who slowly turned into a soap opera for nerds and british nannies going into the third incarnation


Live action sci-fi is dumb.

6 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 4 > 5 > 7

I give all seven movies 10/10.

I've still not actually seen Phantom Menace
I bought the Lego sets, played Lego Star Wars but never bothered to actually watch the movie
Same with Attack Of The Clones

>>14300764
You should consider watching something called 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's universally considered one of the greatest and most important movies in history.

>>14300804
That's stretching it a bit, isn't it? 2001 is just another Kubrick film.

>>14300804
t. pretentious sheep

>>14300831
No? 2001 has been noted by countless directors and critics for its technical innovations and importance.

>>14300786
>1 and 2 better than 4 and 5
>1 better than 2
>6 at the top

What are you doing, man?

>>14300786

5>4=7>6>>>>3>1>2

>>14300863
posting opinion
>>14300841
why does that matter?

>>14300764
>Doctor Who slowly turned into a soap opera

Slowly?

>>14300764
Doctor Who is the shittiest one you listed.

>>14300884
If we were to speak frankly, it holds the same objective qualities as those other franchises: the technical aspects.

>>14300884
Your opinions are okay and I respect them.

5 > 4 > 6 > 7 > 2 > 1 > 3

>>14300764
> kids movie
> kids show
> kids show
> kids show

Gee I would never have thought they'd fail to pass serious scrutiny.

>>14300804
Plan 9 from outer space >2001 : A space Odyssey.

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>>14300764
Pertwee's Doctor Who was not a fucking soap opera

>>14300714
Actually, the problem isn't even the writing: the story of the Republic falling due to hubris and the Jedi failing is great! It's the dialogue and acting (due to bad actor direction) that's bad.

Shit, turn off the voices and watch like a silent movie with glorious John Williams music and suddenly the movie is three times better.

I think the biggest failure in hindsight of TPM was killing off Maul in ep 1 (yeah I know the rebels stuff, not relevant here).

Maul should have killed Qwi-Gon and ran. Make him the overarching villain of the original trilogy that Obi-Wan needs to defeat, with him taking the place of Dooku and dying in ep 3

>>14300587
>That's an insult to based Buster Keaton.
This, I was gonna post exactly that.

>>14300604
>It's good as a children's flick
THe fuck were you talking about, I watched this shit when *I* was a kid and I was bored to near tears of it, I had to watch it again years after the initial release just to remember what the stupid reason was for the entire movie to happen (it was a trade law dispute)
Still not as bad as two though. Two will always be the worst one

>>14300978
Shut the fuck up, you watch goddamn shows made to move megatons of cheap plastic do-it-yourself-kits to the faceless masses, you really don't have a leg to stand on.

>>14301111
You're right
It was a mid-life crisis.

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>>14300607
This was better than all the prequels and one of the originals.

>>14301516
>turn off the voices and watch like a silent movie with glorious John Williams music
Is this actually possible, or just a hypothetical?

(I've long wondered whether getting rid of the voice actors and giving half of the saved money to composers and subtitlers would make animated works better/cheaper...)

Still better than Attack of the Clone's battle.
>lol just walk into each other's guns

>>14300443
As much of a trainwreck as the prequels were, the mechanical designs and music were much more inspired than TFA and what we've seen of Rogue One

>>14300764
Thank god we've still got the RDA years of Stargate SG-1.

>>14301639

Like that'd happen. They'd get rid of the VAs if they could, they just wouldn't pass any of the savings along. Silent movies are limited in the information they can pass along too. You can certainly stretch the amount of information conveyed by physical acting alone and find work arounds like exclamation cards and so on, but it's always going to be limited when there's one less sense at work - and one that we rely upon in every day life to convey subtlety and accuracy in many cases at that.

>>14301639
The animation, music, and direction would have to be top notch to carry something without dialog, probably to the point of being more expensive to do it well.

>>14301653
>You can certainly[...] find work arounds like exclamation cards and so on
But we already have subtitles.

>>14301656
Would it really have to be THAT much better? There are zillions of story-heavy RPGs that convey their stories just fine through text rather than through audio. Is, say, The Artist really THAT much more high-quality than ordinary films?

>>14300604
>SPACE TAXATION
>SPACE POLITICS
>SPACE SENATE
As a kid it was the most boring shit in the world. The action scenes were ok

>>14301669

Subtitles are far, far different. They're a work around for an audience that can otherwise not follow a work. It'd be like having audiotitles for the blind in a silent film where someone manually describes all the action on screen. Subtitles wouldn't be accepted in a silent film since you could just convey it more naturely via sound. We accept it because we don't understand the sound that is there, not because we don't care about sound.

As much as people shit on the prequels, they had awesome mechanical designs. I still have a huge boner for the Trade Federation battle droids and General Grievous.

>>14300443
AATs look so badass. The one thing I do like about the prequels are the vehicles.

>>14300786
5>4>6>7>3>1>2

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>>14301755
5>4>3>6>1>2>7

Some people really think the 7th is a Star Wars movie and not just another attempts to do an Hollywood reboot to a good franchise like Mad Max? The prequels had the merits to be entertaining at least and original.

>>14300443
I feel like we should just separate the prequels from the original trilogy. Both are set in a completly different world, and on a completly different scale with completly different character development. The original trilogy is set in a dark world, and is about the revolution in a totalitarian government, and the characters embodies their own goals. The prequels is set in a more friendly world, and is about the destruction of civilisation and cohesion in the galaxy, and the characters embodies things far greater than their own goals, like the difference between good, bad, the Force, the Dark Side.

About the prequel, I agree that the play is poor, and that the scenario have some flaws, and that Lucas is a bad director. But it's still interesting to watch, and entertaining. Jar Jar is funny, but you can't expect from him more than being funny for a 5 year old audience. That's just how he was meant to be.

>also, Gundam is a better Star Wars than Star Wars anyway

>>14301812

Lucas is a bad writer, not a bad director. His directing is fine. More than fine even really, since he's responsible for some of the most famous shots in history. He's a decent editor, producer and businessman too. He's just a poor writer, which he admits himself. I've no idea why he wrote the prequels himself since he's admitted his lack of proficiency in the task with decades, but alas.

>>14301639
>a movie without human voices, just music and mechanical noises
This is the most /m/ thing I've read all day. I like it.

>>14301893
I always thought he was just a bad director from what I saw in Star Wars... THX 1148 was fine I guess, but not that great. Would you mind giving me more examples about how he is a great director? I don't know much about his filmography desu.

Also, I think the writing for the prequels was interesting, but since it was just Lucas alone doing everything, it went downhill from there.

>>14301639
>Is this actually possible, or just a hypothetical?
there's a chance you can eliminate voices by dropping the center channel

I didn't notice I had my settings screwed up and had Heavy Metal with multichannel sound but dropping the center channel and it was mostly voiceless and totally fucking cool


also poke around the Star Wars nerd circles, there's a decent chance somebody's already made one because they do weird stuff like that

>>14300734
It gets better when you look at some of the early storyboards for the film.
Some of Lucas's earlier designs for the Droid fighters for the last dog fight look strikingly similar to the Cylon Raiders from the original Battlestar Galactica.

>>14300607
um...
books and vidya kept Star Wars highly relevant and profitable pretty much for entire gap between 83 and 99, anon.

It is easily arguable that a lot of the best star wars content is from this era.

>>14301932

Picture the opening shot of Star Wars. Okay? I bet you know exactly what it is and can picture the entire scene. That's why he's a good director. He can create iconic shots like that, or Luke looking out over the twin suns of Tattoine and so on. He can also make the actors working for him comfortable and while many actors knew the films were bad (many thought the same of the originals mind, not just the prequels), I don't think any of them didn't enjoy the experience because he knew when to be hands on when to be hands off and let them do their thing without interruption.

>>14301893
>Lucas is a bad writer, not a bad director
And yet every actor that's ever worked for him has said he's a bad director.

>>14300764
Pertwee Who is best Who, though.

>>14302060

Funny, because I've seen Alec Guiness, Brian Blessed and a few others say he's a good director. I've never seen someone say he's bad.

>>14302107
>Alec Guiness

To be fair, this is also the same man that famously made a fan of the movies promise him never to watch them ever again.

Not saying there's a correlation, just saying some might not consider him the best example here.

>>14302113

Guiness hated the movies yeah, and was kind of asshole of it by the sound of things but I suppose when he was more famous for something he didn't care about than stage plays he loved it's kind of understandable. I don't think there is a correlation personally, but I suppose some might see some.

>>14300545
>Star Wars fucking sucks
Get bent, trekkie.

>>14302128
Probably should've been on Trek instead.

Trek has an excellent track record for breaking stage actors in and teaching them to love pulpy sci fi nonsense.

>>14300792
I would actually recommend phantom menace as a very weird sci fi adventure movie. It's not good, but if you mentally divorce it from Star Wars (which is actually very easy) it is a fun bad movie with friends.

Attack of the Clones is worthless though.

>>14301683
>It'd be like having audiotitles for the blind in a silent film where someone manually describes all the action on screen.

I swear that's a Family Guy gag

>>14302128
>when he was more famous for something he didn't care about than stage plays he loved

How about playing the prince in Lawrence of Arabia? That's a much bigger role to consider.

>>14301917
Reminds me of that scene where Mace Windu was beating up battledroids in the original Clone Wars shorts.
The sound effects were so rhythmic it was almost musical, and no dialogue at all.

>>14301973
>It is easily arguable that a lot of the best star wars content is from this era.
But Rogue Squadron II didn't come out until 2001.

>>14302364

He wasn't nearly as well known for anything as he was for Star Wars and he couldn't escape it. When he son was 8 or something, he gave him a cross and told him that while he probably wouldn't appreciate it now he would appreciate it some day. After which his son immediately turned it upside down and pretended it was a lightsaber, sounds and all apparently. He had a lot of roles he could be proud of, but the one people always knew and loved him most for was Star Wars - something he didn't care about and was kind of embarrassed about because he didn't like the dialogue or story.

>>14302376

I meant just compared to stage plays. He played some really big roles.

>>14302379

Well I've no idea how he felt about that role personally, I just hear he loved stage a lot more than film in general.

>>14300443
It didn't age well...

Looks like a video game CGI now.

>>14300443


Oh my fucking god. I don't recall the movie being that fucking bad. Is this just an outtake, or is it really that bad?

>>14301932
>desu
Why has this become a thing now here on 4chung? Why are you AIDS ridden homos perpetuating such faggotry? I hope this is just cancer leaking from /a/ because I sure as hell dont remember /m/ going this low.

>>14302469
When you write t b h, it automatically change it to desu, I was not aware of that when I wrote my reply.

>>14302469
Welcome to fourchan, le redditor! :-)

>>14301603
Han being in the book destroyed the book for me

>>14300443
And Jar-Jar is still more tolerable than the Mary Sue of The Force Awakens.

>>14300459
Anon, plz. You can come up with better bait than that.

>>14302469
How new?

Jar-Jar never bothered me.

I don't know why, he just felt like another C-3PO character to me. Someone that annoyed both the audience and the other characters.

>>14302483
Well you shouldn't be writing such cancerous shorthand in the first fucking place, littler nigger.
Spell shit out or be seen as the cancerous pile of shit you are.

>>14300786
Empire Strikes Back > Star Wars > Return of the Jedi > Force Wakes Up > Revenge of the Sith > Ewoks: Battle for Endor > The Phantom Menace > The Star Wars Holiday Special > Attack of the Clones.

Fight me.

>>14300764
At least Babylon 5 was always good.

>>14303267
Attack of the clones really is the worst of the series. Anakin is fucking unbearable and he's the whole fucking movie.

>>14303267
No, I think a lot of us will agree with you on that.

>>14303326
The best part of AOTC was Obi-Wan playing detective. Who could have seen that coming?

>>14303267

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Though I think I might actually switch Phantom Menace and Revenge. I genuinely enjoy Phantom more than the other prequels. For all its problems I thought it felt more like I was watching a Star Wars movie.

>>14303357
>No, I think a lot of us will agree with you on that.
I thought that somebody might think I'm having a giggle by ranking an Ewok TV movie above one a couple of the theatrical ones. I'm not.

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>>14301590
Jesus Christ the savagery

>>14301674
This. As someone who was 9 when the movie came out and had seen the original trilogy a million times I was severely disappointed in TPM. In fact it was probably the first major disappointment in my life. Still better than the rehashed TFA shit though.

>>14301639
Aeon Flux already did that. It works for an animated short but I doubt it would for a movie or series.

>>14300734
And Ep4 is a rip off of The Hidden Fortress, so what?

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>>14303306
not with those ass alien designs, my guy

>>14303267
>RotJ
>anywhere but on top

It's real simple.

1. Star Wars is nothing but a vehicle for showing off special effects.
2. If Star Wars is merely a vehicle for special effects porn, it should be the case that the best film is the one with the most visually stunning effects.
3. RotJ has the Death Star II battle.
4. The Death Star II battle is fucking amazing and there hasn't been a sequence as stunning as the Rebels FLYING STRAIGHT INTO THE DEATH STAR
5. Thus, RotJ is the best film, because it has the Death Star II battle.

>>14303613
>I doubt it would for a movie or series.
as a stand-alone narrative form, yeah that's a tough hill to climb
but as a way to watch Star Wars for the umpteenth jillion time it sounds like an interesting experiment, especially the prequels

>>14303613
>Aeon Flux already did that. It works for an animated short but I doubt it would for a movie or series.

There were a number of of movies that had sound effects, music and the like, but no actual voicework before 1928.

>>14301649
True, true

>>14300764
Trek doesn't suck.
What's your opinion of good SciFi?

>>14300443
>implying that scene is bad

>>14306614
You make a good argument but here's the thing: there actually is more to it than just special effects for some people. One of the big appeals is the gloriously cheesy plot and drama and general absolute nonsense and where's that stuff peak? At Empire, off course!

And on the special effect side we have the Hoth battle, the sense of scale of those walkers is done beautifully. The models don't look any smaller than the life-size props. (Though I wonder if any of that shit even remains in the special edition, prolly all CG now. Good thing the internet exists so I can watch the originals in higher quality than George ever allowed.) And frankly I think the original Star Wars has the better Death Star battle. Special effects are a tool for telling a story and the Death Star battle in Jedi gets barely any focus while the scene keeps switching to Luke/Vader and hot Ewok on Stormtrooper action. What Jedi really needed was to have an semi plot important fighter pilot for us to follow during that battle to make it more exciting.

>>14301647
The frickin stories themselves were more inspired than TFA. TFA is the Gundam Unicorn of Star Wars.

>>14306614
>1. Star Wars is nothing but a vehicle for showing off special effects.

No it's not

>>14307313
Unicorn didn't attempt to completely redo 0079 with different characters.

TFA is more like the Seed of Star wars.
>it's popular and shiny and popular with the new generation (at the time of its airing)
>and honestly the characterization and plot is pretty shit

>>14300443
Star wars will be always the american thing that everyone pretends to like because it's a famous american thing , causing much rage from both sides of coin.

My parents (in their 70's) were visiting the city and insisted I bring them to see TFA at one of those big screen cinemas. I fell asleep halfway through and didn't think much, but they totally loved it.

I'm always a bit baffled by the prequel film hatred since I never heard a word of this until I became active on the internet eleven years ago. Until then, everyone I knew liked 'em, and when I last watched 'em I liked 'em, but that's been well over ten years ago. Hell, I never watched Ep1 all the way through after I saw it in theaters.

I'm not shocked that people dislike 'em, I'm just shocked at how much importance people put on them.

>>14307467
Much of it is a bandwagon that gained serious traction after the Plinkett reviews. The prequels aren't Shakespeare, but everyone acts like they're pure shit to the core.

>>14307473
>>14307467

Dude, I remember in high school people shit on TPM. It's borderline unwatchable. Mostly because of Jar Jar. Then we were having debates between those who liked the Prequel Jedi fights, and the original fights.

>>14307467

I remember people disliking Jar-Jar, but otherwise liked a lot of TPM

Clones was met with a resounding meh.

And I remembered that when Revenge came out and I was in my Junior year of high school, most people liked it.

>>14300645
I read those books so many times I can almost see the tanks lined up in the federation transports when they land.

>>14300863
>What are you doing, man?

That's CARL!

>>14307467
I only remember people disliking Jar-Jar. And making fun of grown-up Anakin's actor. Otherwise a lot of people thought they were watchable.

>>14307473
Explain this clip from 13 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHOTkSfVb4o

>>14307467
The Menace Must Remain Phantom got a lot of shit for Jar Jar and young Anakin, but not much for the script because people figured they had two more movies to flesh it all out.

Anakin and Padme's Bogus Journey was met with a lot of derision for the acting and some especially cringy buts of dialogue like hating sand, but people liked seeing the battles at the end with all the Jedi kicking ass.

Revenge of the Nerds was met with kind of a "thank god it's over" response. I actually read the novelization before seeing the film, and it does a lot to help flesh it out.

>>14306629
Got any specific names (and maybe links on archive.org)?

>>14302129
Ohhhh scarey.
Both franchises fucking suck.

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>>14300443
As much as TPM gets shit on, I think it's the least shit of the already shitty prequel trilogy. Maul was the coolest character and the podracing was the best action sequence of the prequels. TPM is also the most complete story in the sense that it doesn't rely on the other films to fill in the gaps in the story as much making it the best standalone prequel.

>>14308282
Maul was badass but barely a character.

I disagree about podracing, it exemplifies a lot of what's bad in the prequels - aged CGI and cringeworthy Lucas oneliners. Basically any time Anakin is on screen, TPM takes a sharp drop in quality. I know a lot of people gave Lloyd shit for his performance but it's really not his fault. It was Lucas' fault.

Still a better movie than Attack of the Clones though.

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>cttrl+f "glib facsimile"
>0 results

>>14306577
The Narn and Drazi looked pretty badass. Minbari and Centauri looked silly, yeah.

>>14308387
>"glib facsimile"

Is /tv/ still pushing that meme? I thought it went the way of the "I bet you enjoy the films of Wes Anderson."

>>14308553
Is /tv/ ever NOT pushing a meme?