Why are mobile suit cockpits usually in the chest, right where

>>14261729
Where else are you gonna put em?

>>14261732
The head

Its usually in the "stomach", as opposed to the "chest".

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>>14261732
The end of its gun.

>>14261733
Turn X confirmed for safest Mobile Suit

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>>14261733
Because that always works out.

centre of gravity is at the chest, fewer forces will affect the pilot

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>>14261732
In the back? If you get shot in the back you're probably doomed anyway because someone got the drop on you, outmanuevered you, or you were running away because you were fucked

>>14261739
>not having the head be its own maneuverable craft >>14261737
Sazabi was a rehashed Zeong with constantly inconsistent head proportions anyways.

>>14261732
Ass is a good choice

>>14261752
>Sazabi was a rehashed Zeong with constantly inconsistent head proportions anyways.
Wut.

Sazabi is a Zeonic The O with Rick Dias influences.

>>14261748
While I thought the ejection thing for the Knightmare frames was pretty cool, holy shit would the weight distribution be a bitch with these things. It'd work if the lower half was tank treads, but those legs would never really support that kind of body and stay upwards.

>>14261761
Not him, but
>head cockpit
>beam weapon around the waist
>remote weapons
>stick antennae
Everything else about the Sazabi is pretty much The O.

>>14261729
>Why are mobile suit cockpits usually in the chest, right where people are trained to shoot?
Most probably because it has plenty of space in there for a cockpit.
If you're getting shot with a beam weapon, if you don't dodge that shit(or it misses) or block it with a shield, you're probably dead anyway.

>>14261779
>beam weapon around the waist
>remote weapons
>stick antennae
All of these are standard Zeon or commander fare by this point in UC. The Zaku 3, for example, had skirt-mounted beam guns. Only placing the cockpit in the head is truly like the Zeong and nothing really else, although the Zeong's head included beam weapons and independent movement so it clearly wasn't an improvement on the original.

That said, I'm thinking in thematic and design terms far more than I am in regards to loadout.

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Chest makes more sense since it's the biggest part and thus can be most armored. Chest also makes more sense since it's the center of gravity and thus the pilot is gonna be subject to the least G-forces (comparatively).

However, I think the real reason for chest cockpits is because the Japanese believe that your soul resides in the core of your body.

>>14261804
Thematic and design-wise, Sazabi is just a compilation of what NZ was already doing, but it's still built kind of similarly to the Zeong, especially with the head cockpit when it could've been anywhere else.

>>14261729
your right anon, it should be
between the legs

>>14261900
I like Turn A as well

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>>14261733

>>14261729
I want a mech sim booth like yesterday

Also say what you want about titanfall, i dug the hell out of the cockpit UI with those individual screens that could fail, the ingress/egress animations, the ejection procedure, etc

>>14261729
>The head

No. Cockpit in the head is one of the most retarted concepts in giant Mecha. It looks good (like in SPT Layzner), but it simply doesn't make sense from a military perspective. You want to fucking protect the pilot not expose him.

>>14261919
honestly I don't even think it looks good.

It feels wrong, like it negates the usefulness of having a sensor pod in a fast-swiveling independent head pod

>>14261919
SPTs are big headed babies, Combat Armors look a lot better on average proportionally

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>>14261732
In the cock

>>14261928
boner mechs best mech

>>14261928
>In the cock

So Tomino was right eh ? Brain Powerd for the win. Turn A loses. While the cockpit in the crotch it's exposed. So the Brain Child design wins.

>>14261732
Put the cockpit in a random location, it's not like there's a shortage of space

>>14261733
Where it's less armored, where it's more exposed, where its smaller size won't help you due to computerized targeting on the enemies' side making it an easy target anyways, and where you'll be much more subject to g-forces and motion sickness due to increased distance from the center of mass?

>>14261746

FORCES?

>Called COCKpit
>It's not in the cock

If the cockpit location is known, an enemy can just shank you like the ending of the Nadesico movie.

Therefore, secret location like >>14261939

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>>14261949
>COCKpit

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>>14261919
This is the correct answer.

Unless you are somehow limited in camera technology (and you're building mechs?) or there's simply no space for it, cockpit inside the head is a bad idea.

>>14261937
>Brain Powerd
those are vagina's though not cocks

>>14261944
Care to explain how Mechwarrior mechs do it then?

I'm pretty sure pilots are trained to target the chest BECAUSE that's where the cockpit is, not despite it.

>>14262050
>BECAUSE that's where the cockpit is
I'll say its because its the easiest to hit since its pretty big compared to the head or limbs.

>>14262027
Their targeting computers are shit, the cockpit doesn't fit inside the torso because of the reactor and their cockpit is actually shielded by the strongest armor they have available to them, it's just see-through.

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>>14261729
Because you want to put it as close to the center of gravity as possible so the pilot doesn't pass out while AMBAC does it's thing.

Also, the torso on a mobile suit tends to be the most heavily armored portion of the MS due to half of the vital systems being contained in it, among it the reactor and the primary source of heat that they use for propellant combustion, if Mark Simmons notes are to be believed.

>>14262027
Through the magic of fiction.

>>14261729

They'll be trained to shoot wherever the cockpit is anyway.

But if you have a chest cockpit then a glancing blow that takes off a limb or the head and you can still keep in operation possibly.

Where as even if the cockpit is in the head, a shot to the chest is probably gonna wreck the machine anyway.

>>14261919

The only way to have a head cockpit is if it's also an eject pod, so you can preserve the pilot and computer.

Otherwise yeah it's just a pointless exposure.

>>14261732
Back of the knee, maybe.

>>14262106
>about to explode
>head pops off and flies away

>>14261739
But that's Amuro brah

>>14261729
>Aiming for the center of mass
You never aim for the chest. You aim for the head or arms.

>>14262167
>about to explode
>head pops off and flies away

Well, in theory, anyway. The practice can be pretty nasty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orhOvbfyyJw

>>14262257
Sure, if you're retarded, have the full drop on them or a far away sniper and are able to pick your targets. Center mass is called center MASS because it has more MASS meaning big, fat target.
You don't fell a tree by swinging at the twigs! You also don't win fire fights by trying to pull fancy shit you saw in a Western.

I thought it would typically be abdomen or pelvis since you'd be situated in the rough center of the mech's body and it wouldn't throw the unit's center of gravity and weight distribution off.

>>14262027
By being in a totally different universe that has absolutely nothing in common with Gundam?

>>14262257
Kira pls.

>>14262747
It's typically in the abdomen for the same reason that your stomach is. It's the center of mass and the part that moves around the least.

>>14261732
In the fingers or feet.

Reading through this thread has made me think "/m/ redesigns the human body".

>For the heart, their will be two of them, and they'll be in the thighs so thatthey get a stronger blood flow and he can run faster!"
>For the brain, we'll put it in the shins. No one ever attacks the shins!"
>The stomach and intestines will be in the arms for more mass so he can punch harder!
>If we have any redundant organs and need for waist it can go in a big lumpy flesh sack that hangs off the back."

>>14263047
>forgetting to change the position of the entrance to both the trachea and esophagus
Those two vital shit are right beside each other.

If one isn't careful when eating, food can get into the trachea and choke you.

>>14263047
Let's just get rid of the head altogether and put the eyes and ears on the torso. And more smaller eyes that you can't see but trust us they're there all over the body for 360' view. Heads are unrealistic.

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Pelvic pilot best pilot

>>14261729
It puts them under the most armor. Sure, you could put the cockpit in the head but then you're playing BT and are one lucky shot away from instant death.

Actually, considering how effective Gundam beam weapons are and how reliable BT armor is it makes more sense to put the cockpit of a mobile suit in the head, which they do, and the cockpit of a battlemech in the torso, which they don't

>>14263206
Well there are BT torso cockpits, but then you get >no ejection and then you lose pilots even faster. Especially in introtech, where there's only one head capping weapon for instant death.

Realisticucks being stupid as always I see

>>14261939
>it's not like there's a shortage of space

Who's your pilot? Ant-man?

>>14262089
That's the GP00? What did they do to the Blossom and why is it called Wilt now?

>>14261939
The left leg? The right arm?

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>>14261732
Where the COCKpit should be!

>>14261729
It's also the most heavily armored part of the mobile suit, so it doesn't really matter. Also if you put all of the cockpits in the head they'd just train people to shoot at the head.

Or you could just put the cockpit right in front of the mobile suit's balls with only a glass dome to protect it.
That sounds like a good plan.

>>14264217
>implying you can't make glass as strong as steel in the space future

>>14261732
In the gun!
They'll never expect it there!

>>14264270
And have you ever seen someone shoot someone's gun in real life? No, because it doesn't happen! It's perfect!

>>14261766
Completely true. I have the 1/35 Guren and that thing DOES NOT STAND.

>>14262027
Because it's really hard to roll a hit location on the head, and by its nature as a tabletop game it has to be balanced to make the gameplay fun.

Torso cockpits do exist as available tech, but it also really screws with the piloting and/or heat from what I recall.

>>14263206
Most of the torso in BT is taken up by reactors or things like ammo storage, CASE, or jump jets though.

>>14264386
Besides, a 'mech's head in BT is defined more by "where the cockpit is" than what you might expect otherwise. Take designs like the Summoner for example, were the "head" is a miniscule bulge sticking out of one shoulder, or the Predator, whose cockpit is literally in the crotch.

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>>14263074
Perfecton!

>>14262357
See >>14261919

>>14261748
How does that not cause weight distribution issues?

>>14264276
Unless you're fighting Texas Mack or another cowboy, in which case you're fucked.

>>14261748
This seems like it would be vulnerable to side attacks though.
That sort of box on the back massively increases profile and is probably easier to pierce since you don't have to go through arm + torso armor, but with how powerful beam weapons usually are, it doesn't matter.

I guess in many mecha series it really doesn't matter if the cockpit is in the back or inside torso simply because beam weapons will burst through everything.

>>14264715
Beam guns built into the arms, right?

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Why put it in the head when you can put a gun there instead?

>>14262027
>Care to explain how Mechwarrior mechs do it then?

Enormous passive ECM generated by all Battlemechs makes it so that non-manual targeting outside of three yards away is SHIT

SHIT

the same way Minovsky interference works in Gundam

>>14269145
More BT targetting computers are pretty bad multi-ton vacuum tube affairs. Sure, they're tough as hell but they're also horribly clunky.

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>>14269218
I like the doom method.

>>14264441
This still leaves the question of why not expand the torso or at least conceal the cockpit under layers of armor but it really comes down to reliable external cameras and monitors being lostech

freaking BT schizo tech.

>>14269347
Diminishing returns. Expanding the torso would just make it a more inviting target, and has already been pointed out, actually scoring a headshot in BT is much harder than it seems. Heat management is also a very real concern there, and most pilots have enough problems with it without being seated next to the tamed star powering their ride, or the dozens of missiles or high-explosive shells around it.

>>14261729
>right where people are trained to shoot?

fucking scrub, go for headshots or go home.

>>14261949
it is in turn-a :^)

>>14264881
By existing in a theatrical universe.

>>14261968
That's a Catapult though.
It definitely has a cockpit in the body.

>>14261729
Because it's the biggest and most armoured location. Hence the pilot is more likely to survive.

>>14264217
To be quite fair, the Turn A is ridiculously mobile. It can just run in circles around other mobile suits dodging their shit.

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>>14263228
Okay, another idea: Put the cockpit in a remote location, so that way you drone a robot

>>14273225
I think they tried that once but as soon as someone added ECM into the mix the entire thing went bust.

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>>14261793
Mobile Suits that don't have Gundam somewhere in their name have been shown to be made of explodium alloy time and again, it doesn't really matter where they get shot, they tend to blow up regardless.

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>>14261733
Really nigga

>>14270382
No.Turn-A is in the vagina, Turn-A is a girl, Loran is a girl

That's where the reactor is though
If that gets stabbed you're gonna die from being blown up anyway even if you're in the head/cock

>>14261900
Kojima pls

>>14261733
>head
Every time you walk, your head bobs up and down by a few centimeters.
Now, scale the thing up a bit, if you were to sit in the head of the mech you'll be going up and down by 20 cm at least every time you put a step down, you'll be puking after 10 meters.
Also, since the head is farther from the center of mass, every time you'd try to roll, pitch or yaw with your mech in space you will suffer a greater acceleration, and even more puking.

Instead a cockpit placed in the center of the torso has less drawbacks, starting from the fact that during 3d manipulations (pitch, yaw, roll) your body sits inside the center of mass, so virtually the tangent acceleration is equal to 0.

>>14261729
Amor and available space. The chest is the most well protected spot on the mobile suit, and due to those minovsky power packs going mini-nuclear when they blow, it's best to have the power pack in the rear of the suit where it's least likely to be hit.

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>>14262167
Hey, it's pretty much been done.


To make it less silly, you could make the head a sensor and computer enclosure which lifts up or hinges away to allow a pilot capsule to be put in and out of the torso cavity. So an emergency ejection would involve the head moving to free up the capsule, which would then be shot out.

>>14279783
>Every time you walk, your head bobs up and down by a few centimeters.
So does every part of your body.
>Also, since the head is farther from the center of mass, every time you'd try to roll, pitch or yaw with your mech in space you will suffer a greater acceleration, and even more puking.
They why are jet cockpits at the front of the jet? Should they just put cockpit in the center then?

>>14282265
In fighter jets, you're limited by the engine, which takes up a long, continuous cylindrical space, requiring an intake at the front and an exhaust at the rear.
The usual arrangement is engine to the rear, then the cockpit (above the intake), then the radar. This gives the pilot and radar great visibility, without having to place them above the engine, creating a larger cross-section for the plane and more drag.

>>14263233
Personal oc donut steel concept I did for a fanfic in my head that I'll never write because I'm too old for that shit now. My idea was that after the Blossom got rekt, the wreckage was kept by Anaheim Electronics, and since GP00 wasn't listed among the Gundam Development project MS that were mothballed after 0083, the wreckage was rebuilt and modernized by taking out the core block system and instead using an integrated panoramic cockpit and reactor, and giving it a far more reasonable loadout, as well as a more standard backpack. It was given to the AEUG in 0086 (hence the model number change to MSR-00W) and wrecked again on the moon by the Titans shortly after the theft of the Gundam Mark II.

To summarize

>center of gravity
>most armored location
>yes they should probably have an ejection feature in space

BT cockpits are different because they can't be armored in front; they need to have a window because lost technology etc. As a result a "safe" BT cockpit used a tiny window and tries to keep the head as low profile as possible.

And a shitty BT cockpit looks like this >>14261968 where it's front and center.

In both universes, it isn't easy to aim for the head; however armor is much weaker in Gundam. Heads can be blown off way easier. Also remember that protecting the pilot from gigantic ass bullets is only part of the objective; there's all kinds of explosions and shit with shrapnel etc. where you'd be safer in an armored cockpit than an head.

>>14262027
>>14283306
The "head" in BT is also just a catchall for "that place with the pilot and sensors" no matter where it's located.