What do you guys think about Ebikawa's Turn A? How do you

>>14246561
Far too conventionalized and pretty much was done by tacking on disruptive greebles without care for the aesthetic forms and lines of the original.

It seems he's finally hit the limits of his ability as a designer.

>>14246561
I like it. It takes a new spin on the design, without feeling like it's abandoning the original concept entirely (looking at you, Okawara).

>>14246561
>Ebikawa's Turn A
[citation needed]

>>14246561
no moustache = shit

>>14246561
Looks like Lego.

Every Turn A redesign is honestly pretty terrible desu

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>>14246561
>Turn A redesigns

Moustache > Mutton chops

Also that chest looks gross.

Wasn't that design from a Build Fighters side story?

>>14246561
I love Syd Mead, but this redesign is a lot better that the original Turn-A, IMO.

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>>14246726
Agreed, the helmet and shoulders are improvements over Syd Mead's original design.

>>14246743
The redesigned shoulders are a mess that clashes terrible with the flow of the chest, arms, and legs.

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>>14246561
>It's a "try to redesign Turn A and fail miserably" thread

>>14246610
>Every Turn A design is honestly pretty terrible desu
ftfy

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>>14246561
>>14246743
It's downright terrible. It's not a good design in the first place and it's definitely just not a good redesign.

It's the equivalent of this: just tacking on extra bits without cohesion or vision. It's just a clusterfuck.

Everybody keeps saying "le original turn a is shit" but they never say why.

It's shit.
That said, someone did a really awesome custom based on the kit of it. It was some greenish-blue thing, but I don't have the pictures on this computer. Really balanced out the shape aesthetics of the whole thing.

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>>14246567
Okawara's Turn A is seriously embarrassing

>>14247079
As a design, it's actually a lot better than >>14246561
>>14246743

>>14246561
this is the kind of thread where I can unironically say "everyone who likes this thing is a fucking retard"

>>14246561
Looks like a round Exia head on schizo-Turn A's body.

I actually don't dislike Turn A, excepting that mustache.

>>14246824
You know nothing about mecha design.

>>14247118
You didn't disprove a single thing anon said, shitwit.

>>14247113
>"everyone who likes this thing is a fucking retard"

Isnt that 4chan in general?

A bunch of guys who are mad because they can't get laid take it out on other people by telling them they are retards?

>>14247126
Nice projection there buddy

>>14247124
Saying "this clashes with this" is critique a 4 year old is capable of making. You proved nothing except the fact you think your opinion equals fact. It does not.

>>14247128
>projection

stock 4chan reply #564566447764

>>14247126
>mad because they can't get laid

I'm pretty sure nobody here cares about that. Most of us embrace the path to wizardhood and are more passionate about giant robots than real women.

>>14247128
You know he's right, though.

That said, everyone who likes Shin Turn A really is a retard.

>>14247134
Except it objectively looks out of place. It's ugly. It doesn't fit. It does not follow the same visual theme. It's clearly tacked on.

What part is hard to get, you blind faggot?

>>14247126
spoken like your average /b/tard
>hurr durr u no git laid shits SO CASH
>implying implications

>>14247145
You're right about the Shin/Shit ∀ but >>14247143 is right about the people here.

>>14247145
>Except it objectively looks out of place.

>objectively

You need to learn what words mean. You are basically saying "Blue is a better color than green because.... um ....cuz reasons."

your opinion =/= objective

>>14247134
>design is is almost exclusively made from curvaceous forms
>the shoulders are hard-edged and blocky

Please be retarded somewhere else.

>>14247134
A four year old is able to make your "nuh-uh" argument as well.

Were you born a mouthbreather or did that develop over time?

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I wonder what Syd Mead thinks of the redesigns. The interview on the Turn A DVDs was neat, hearing his thoughts on his design process, the franchise, and the difficulties of designing the Turn X.

Now that I think about it though, he probably doesn't care. I'm assuming he just saw Turn A Gundam as another design project, nothing more.

Turn A Shin > Turn A.

>>14247186
>make knees blockier but keep legs curvy
>elongate skirts and break the pelvis area's lines up for no reason
>new shoulders don't fit with the outline of the arms, curve over the head area, or align with the curve in the torso like the others did, further complicating the design by adding blockiness where there was smoothness before
>head is a square inside of a circle, horns poke out of the side of the head for no reason
It's shit

Sorry but the "mustache" was the Turn-A's defining trait. So much so that it was a nickname in the show.

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>>14246561
>>14246564
>>14246567
>>14246588
>>14246606
That design doesn't match Ebikawa at all.
All that's documented is that it's from the GBF TRY manga.

and I've gone through his artbook so I know his style pretty well.

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Again, looks nothing like Ebikawa's work.

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I'd also like to add that the Mechanical designer for said manga goes by "ASTRAYS"

pic is another example of Ebikawa

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>>14246561
>removed mustache
IT'S SHIT

>>14247034
I'm waiting.

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Nagano's Turn-A redesign is the only nice Turn-A redesign

>>14246561
It looks like a Cybertronian

>>14247408
He can't draw anything that wouldn't fit in FSS. He has mediocre range of creativity.

>>14247408
>>14247431

That's not Nagano.

>>14247408
That's fanart.

>>14247431
His MS designs are pretty different from FSS stuff.

>>14247448
>>14247454
it isn't? ffs my life is a lie

>>14247448
My point still stands.
only for his lead mecha though, I was trying to start shit but his grunts are breddy nice

>>14247497
>What if we took a Gundam that had a unique aesthetic, then stripped it all away and tried to cram it into SEED?

>>14247431
>He can't draw anything that wouldn't fit in FSS
I wish that were true. Sadly there's Gothicmade.

>>14247511
Gothicmade is just FSS^2, really. Skinny shit gets skinnier, pointy shit gets pointier, high heels get higher.

>>14247502
>cram it into SEED?
You mean OO?

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>>14247209
Could you tell more about what he says in those interviews, please? I was always very interested in knowing about them.

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>>14247454
>His MS designs are pretty different from FSS stuff.

hahahaha

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>>14246561
>>14246743
>>14247079
>take most distinctive feature
>remove it

The whole point of the Turn A is it's a bizarre, alien design. Redesigning it so it looks more conventional is completely counter intuitive.

I mean, no harm intended towards anyone who likes the redesigns, but all I can see in those redesigns are people taking the Turn A and trying to make it safer. Just go to another Gundam at that point.

I will never for the life of me understand the idea that the Turn A's moustache is a grievous sin that must be corrected

>>14248071
You're supposed to post something that proves me wrong, not right.

>>14248071
Qubeley looks nothing like a Mortar Headd you dingus. And I love how you conveniently ignored his other designs like Rick Dias and Hyaku Shiki.

>>14248112
Does Hyaku Shiki even count? Sure, it's based on a Nagano design, but it wasn't designed by Nagano.

>>14248075

This pretty much. The best redesign I've seen thus far is the notNagono one, and even that is less alien and more like it would fit in to Escaflowne.

Also:
>Rick Dias

I will never finding this name funny. Right up there with Jim and Zack.

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>>14248119
The fuck are you talking about? It was 100% Nagano.

>>14248126
I think it comes from shortening "reconstructed dias"

>>14248147
That's Nagano's concept design for Zeta, which was repurposed as Hyaku Shiki. The final HS is Fujita's version of the concept design.

>>14248172
Clean-up design is not the same as the original design. And whether you like it or not, Nagano's Zeta design was kept mostly the same when it was repurposed as Hyaku Shiki. Saying it's not Nagano's design is like saying every design in Unicorn belongs to Katoki just because he redrew them.

>>14246561
it looks good, better than the japs who go and give it the generic gundam faceplate et al

>>14248126

>I will never stop finding this name funny.

Bit of negligent typing on my part there.

Still though, if there's one thing I like about Gundam, and Tomino shows in general, it's the prospect of running in to really weird names for things and people, like Kitty Kitten, Shot Weapon, and Borjarnon.

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>>14248112

Not to mention the Galbaldy β which doesn't look at all out of place next to Okawara's own design style.

>>14248211
Probably because the original Galbaldy is an Okawara design, a rejected 0079 design.

>>14248021
Well he talks about Blade Runner in the first half of the interview.

In terms of the Gundam stuff, he basically studied the RX-78-2 and then designed the Turn A as how he thought the technology would evolve. Which is why it's more curved/aerodynamic looking. Syd's a designer first and formost and designed it with that mindset. He came up with the Sumo, but they felt it wasn't "Gundam" enough, so he redesigned, ultimatly created the Turn A design. The mustache came about with wanting a V-fin but keeping with the design elements he came up with.

The Turn X gave him a lot of trouble. As a designer, he struggled to come up with a design of a machine that could split into multiple parts that still made sense to his design aesthetic.

It's actually a neat interview. If you like design, I would encourage you to watch it.

>>14246610
Maybe because the Turn A design is pretty terrible desu.

>>14248299
Thanks, this is extremely fascinating. I was actually looking for it a while ago, but didn't find anything. Did you get the Turn A boxes with the interview or did you find them somewhere in the internet?

>>14246567
>>14247079

>kept all the curves and only changed face
>abandoning the original concept entirely

>makes everything sqaure and flat like every other gundam
>new spin on the design

Are you fucking blind, or just trolling hard.

>>14248075
this guy knows what's up

>>14247079
I really like that design. Shame there is no gunpla model of it. I'd buy 2 in a heartbeat.

>Always trying to trash the stache.
For what fucking purpose?

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>>14248211
>>14248235
Nagano did do a Galbaldy drawing that's more in his style, I always thought it was his orignal idea for the MS and what we got in the show was heavily edited.

>>14248075
This to be honest

>>14248566

Looks more like the Sazabi or something. I do like his gun designs though, since they actually look and feel futuristic, instead of being a 1940s gun on a future war machine because reasons.

>>14248634
Re-GZ Custom and anything Unicorn are terrible offenders of this.

>>14248075
>i-its supposed to look like shit guys!

No. Shit is shit. It's shit. Shitshitshitshitshit. Shit. S.H.I.T that spells SHIT!

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>Trying to "fix" Big Daddy Mead's sexy mobile suit designs and failing miserably.
What's the matter, not man enough to handle the mustache ride?

>>14248648

I was mostly thinking about 0079 when I wrote it to be honest, though I think all of Gundam has an issue with it really.

>>14247408
Am i the only one who love the sleek curve in this design ?

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>>14246561
>Having to re-write the whole series because half the cast referred to the ∀ as "mustache."

It just doesnt work for me, its too garbled, the lines and the curves are fighting each other. It takes everything that gives the Turn-A a distinct personality and throws it away for mediocrity

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>>14246561
>looks almost identical
>just changes the head a bit
yeah it no good, quite amazing that little change ruins the whole design

>>14248490
I bought the Right Stuf DVDs. I didn't even know the interview was on them until after I bought them. It was a nice bonus.

>>14247408
This looks pretty sick.

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>>14248299
>he basically studied the RX-78-2 and then designed the Turn A as how he thought the technology would evolve.
>He came up with the Sumo, but they felt it wasn't "Gundam" enough, so he redesigned, ultimately created the Turn A design

Syd really needs to present these two ideas in inverse order to sound like less of a hack. the Turn A is a great design that achieved exactly what he wanted, but thinking that the Sumo was an appropriate evolution of the RX-78 design shows low little respect he had for the source material.

its like
>hey famous American artist please draw us a cool new gundam for our expensive show set in the deep future
>well i dont know what a gundam is so heres a round robot with an axe and rectangles for a face
>wtf is this shit

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>>14250351
That's the finalized Sumo.
People are referring to an earlier version of the machine, found in the artbooks, that was initially intended to as an idea for the Turn A, but eventually became the Sumo instead.

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>>14250351
>but thinking that the Sumo was an appropriate evolution of the RX-78 design shows low little respect he had for the source material.
yeah how dare he think differently than the Japanese producers of the technological evolution of a suit 10,000's of years past Universal Century. Cause shit, stuff should never go round instead of square

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Why is Turn X so much better than Turn A?

>>14247079
Mouth vents don't belong on Turn A, that's that problem.

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>>14250351
And it wasn't as if Mead had refused to lend his skills to existing Gundam aesthetics. There's actually even earlier concepts for Turn A that look considerably more othradox than what we got.

>>14246743
Nah man, the shoulders are the one thing I can't get behind.
On the original Turn A, there's a deliberate sense of curvature, going from one shoulder, through the chest and up to the other shoulder. One complete, uninterrupted curve. The angular shoulders kill that.

>>14246726
>>14246743
It's really not a redesign. It's a modification. They even made a p bandai kit of it recently, and it's just the recent HG with a few extra trees. Here it is if you just use all the original pieces. (note the difference in the color on the chest)

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Woops, forgot image.

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>>14250461
And here it is with new pieces, which is mostly new face, new shoulders, new front skirt armor and a different chest.

blocky to the point of missing the point

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>>14250351
i think the story of the Sumo being the original gundam design has been somewhat overhyped over the years. if you look at Syd Mead's original artwork (which is thankfully dated), he went from a basic character study of the RX-78 to a semi-final depiction in less than a month, with quite a few redesigns along the way. there were a couple of rounded off MS designs in between but its pretty clear where the design splits aparts and adds more gundam-like features to the Turn A while stripping down specific details for the Sumo.

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>>14250488
i wish Turn A kept these shoulder cannons, they look really well integrated into the design which really needed more onboard weapons.

>>14250489
>needed more onboard weapons.
The show hardly made use of the ones it has. We saw that shotgun thing on the lower chest used like one time.

>>14250465

Each time I look at that redesign, it feels like my eyes are stumbling, or tripping over something.

The sudden angles added to the shoulders makes it look far less graceful than the original, and as pointed out early, really breaks the flow of the design. In fact, I'd say the addition of blockier elements simply act as stop signs for the eye. Even the knees serve to snag my eyes on it.

The mustache has already been mentioned earlier, but I do think that its modification is unfortunate.

What I do like are some of the grew highlights you see on the arms and thigh.

>>14250432
Woah, that actually looks super cool, especially the shoulder. Mead's lines and curves are something else.

>>14250531

That's because Gym only fitted it in the last handful of episodes when he gets his hands on it. Prior to that point it has missiles in it, which you see Loran use only once that I know of, to defend the Sochie and company during the battle as the Willgame launches.

It's chest silos are completely swappable while the Moonlight Butterfly is it's main in built weapon, being able to cut at basically any distance as well as shield, fly etc. It doesn't really need other weapons when it has that.

The shoulder rifles were ditched for the typical hand held one if I recall.

>>14250408
Thing on the right looks like an extreme version of Jack Kirby aesthetics bashed with art deco and the look of the Sentinel from X-Men, no offense.

>>14250418

Even Syd knows the antagonist always looks better

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Has Syd Mead ever acknowledged or mentioned his work on Turn A afterwards? Even in his site, the series is just little more than a footnote in his timeline.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was just another project to him in the end, but in that case, it's amazing how much of an impression "just another project" ended up leaving on a community.

>>14248075
lol yeah let's pretend that turning the V-fin into a mustache is the most essential aspect of the Turn A design. You are totally a genius for appreciating it and it totally doesn't look like shit. We're all plebs before your superior, complex artistic taste.

>>14252233

Well his work on Blade Runner helped create an entire community, rather than just leave an impact on part of one. Someone here once mentioned it to him at an appearance and him being surprised anyone even knew about if I recall. He did do some preliminary work on a live action Gundam film in the 80s too, so he's not unfamiliar with the franchise most likely.

>>14252268

He didn't say essential, he said distinctive. I'd be interested to know what you think it's most distinctive feature is thoughl

>>14246743
The head and longer skirts are nice, the shoulders, knees, and busier chest are terrible though.

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>>14252342
Not that guy, but I always thought that the true highlight of the Turn A's design were the legs. I'd say they're even farther away from Gundam norm than the moustache, both in design and functionality.

It's not like they're a minor part of the design, either; the Turn A's proportions are a little bizarre, giving focus to its unusually long legs.

No wonder Katoki designed the MG.

>>14252371

Again, a highlight isn't the same thing as distinctive though. Distinctive is the one thing that sets it apart from others and that is most noticable about it. A highlight is more the one thing you like most about a design after consideration regardess of similarity or time.

Turn-A does have nice gams though, especially when they're horizontal rather than vertical.

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>>14252382
Fair enough.

>>14246561
syd mead is rolling in his grave.

>>14253759
but he's not dead

>>14246561
>removing the iconic mustache in order to place your regular/average gundam face.
>good

pick one.