Holy shit they didn't have Hayate literally murdering a

>>14210167
Yeah I can't wait for him to have PTSD episodes next time he sorties.

>>14210167
>>14210173
Hayate is going to be like Hikaru, Shin, and Isamu. He is just not going to give a fuck about killing the enemy.

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I think Miramira is going to be more traumatized by getting dressed like an animal girl.

Hayate seems to sort of want the structure of his new soldiering profession after being a shiftless space hobo for so long. He just mosied right on past that 'it's a MC becomes a faggot for several episodes' phase that usually happens after first combat kill.

>>14210236
To be fair, Shin and Isamu were already soldiers by the time we see them in Zero and Plus.

>Pilot power rankings

>Messer
>leader guy
>chuck
>hayate
>miramira

>>14210271
It's ok because hayahaya and miramira are going to be the new max and millia so their strengh will come out of their combinated attacks.

>>14210247
Perfect disguise. If someone gets suspicious, they'll probably challenge her to wriggle her ears and prove she's a real Voldorian.

>>14210167
HE KILLED GENKI!!!

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So what is it /m/?

It's a dog tag of a dead comrade he couldn't save isn't it

>>14210275
except for the marriage part

>>14210809
He is another shinigami after all.

Did they explain why the enemy faction also has valkyries?

>>14210832
The NUNS basically colonized their planet, giving them their culture (which they didn't like) and technology.

>>14210832
Remnants of the Anti-UN from Zero are their backers.

>>14210832
Yeah NUNG enlightened the medieval fuckers and now they're all muh kaze

>>14210870
How'd those even survive I have to wonder...

>>14210875
Post soviet shelters around europe and continental Asia mostly. The Ride expands on this in Oryol's and Zielonaska's backstory.

>>14210167
This isn't Gundam, OP.

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I really liked this episode

>>14210972
what was the point of the helmet

>>14211061
It's part of the escape system. He's testing it before takeoff.

>>14211064
windermere should take notes for their escape system

>>14210972
mechanic best boi.

>>14210972
Literally my favorite mecha cliche is pilots interacting with their pit crew

>>14210826
To be fair, Max and Millia weren't married in the movie version of SDF.

>>14210894

Frontier was loaded with stupid angst comparable to SEED, so I can see where OP is coming from.

>>14210236

Hikaru was pretty traumatized by his first kill, but having to book it the fuck out of there while being shot at seemed to snap him right out of it.

Max on the other hand seemed to be reveling in his first combat outing, no fucks given.

>>14211969

>Messer gets grumpy with his ara ara onee-san pit crew
>Hayate gets the /fit/ bros who try to get him swole

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>BAAAAAWW I HAVE TO GIVE A FUCK ABOUT A RANDOM MOOK I FRIED THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE KILLED MY TEAMMATE!

I never really got this trope, why should I give a shit about the enemies I shoot down? they surely don't give a crap about me

>>14212072
> Being a sociopath

>>14212072
It's supposed to humanize them anon. Normally people don't like killing others. The problem is when it lasts more than an episode or two because it gets a bit obnoxious

>>14212078
>Giving a shit about assholes who go around causing war, shooting at civilians and using brainwashing

>>14212078
nah, its common sense. I don't know ANYTHING about the other guy and the same goes for him to me so why should we worry about it?

>>14210809
I thought it just his ritual before take off - to fist bump his helmet.

>>14210972
The VF-31 and SV-262 Draken III seems less advanced compared to the VF-25/27/29s.

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>>14210809
RIP Goose.

>>14212072
>>14212088
Having PTSD after killing someone for the first time is what happens in real life. It's not a trope, it's realistic - especially if you can see the other guy's face or even a dead body after you kill him.

This is why modern military training focuses as much on indoctrinating you into a killing machine who doesn't see enemies as humans as it does on actual skills, and even with this PTSD still happens.

>>14212088

It doesn't have anything to do with sense. Despite your internet posturing, whether you want to admit it or not your brain is wired by millions of years of evolution to not want to kill other humans. Punch them maybe, murder them no.

A big part of military training is spending weeks drilling soldiers on the mechanics of firing the gun at ambiguously human targets so that, when the time comes, muscle memory will do immediately what the human brain will normally flinch away from. And even with that, its still common for soldiers to (un)consciously shoot 'near' the enemy instead of at them, aiming to scare them off instead of kill them dead.

Some people don't have that natural resistance to taking a life, but that's almost always taken as a sign of being deeply disturbed or mentally unwell for a reason. That's a dangerous exception, not the rule.

And I'm sure that, right now, you think I'm just BSing you and you could totally pull that trigger and feel nothing like a stone cold badass. But thats like saying that you don't find the Xenomorph scary when you watch Alien. You are safe and removed from the danger. If you were just walking home one night and you saw a real live Xenomorph in the middle of the street, you would literally shit yourself in fear. That is 100% the appropriate response to that situation, logic be damned.

>>14212294

Not quite true. The indoctrination is to overcome aversion to killing, since studies during WWII found that soldiers often postured and shot above the heads of enemies instead of at the enemy themselves because of said aversion and had been doing so throughout history by examination of documents, art etc. as well as interviews with veterans.

PTSD is on the rise specifically because more people kill now than used to due to that indoctrination, not regardless of it.

>>14212027
>Frontier was loaded with stupid angst
Occasional Ranka-related things aside, I'm really not sure what you mean by this.

There was some level of angst at times in Frontier, but most of it was handled pretty well.

>>14212324
I'm assuming he's talking about Alto's mommy issues but that didn't show up that much.

Actually if anything that was kind of a negative because it seemed so important to Alto but it's only in like two episodes

>>14212295
>Some people don't have that natural resistance to taking a life,
All of China

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>>14212072
To be fair, Hayate probably saw the guy as he ejected and was subsequently blown to bits outside of his craft.

Maybe a bit more traumatizing than if he just shot went up in one great bang

>>14212072
If kiling is so easy why haven't you become a drone pilot? The US air force desperately wants people like what you claim to be.

>>14212492

We should also probably point out that drone pilots have higher incidences of PTSD than regular soldiers.

>>14212492
>>14212520
bullshit, sign me up

>>14212679
Yeah I'm sure you'll totally be fine after seeing random civilian kids blown to bits by your work and won't at all become depressed or turn to drugs or alcohol.

>>14212686
>MILITARY OBJECTIVES
wew lad
>won't at all become depressed or turn to drugs or alcohol.
as I said, why? I don't know those people so I don't even begin to understand why I should feel bad and those that do, then why the fuck chose that job in the first fucking place?

>>14212679

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/us/drone-pilots-found-to-get-stress-disorders-much-as-those-in-combat-do.html?_r=0

There's a 3 year old article on it that finds drone operators get them at the same rate as normal soldiers. The stuff I've read says more, but I haven't seen it in a while and can't find it now, so that one may be more correct for all I know. There's even been documentaries and films made about the phenomenon.

>>14212692

We don't really know the exact reason why, but there's no denying it happens. We have lots of theories and even some good research on tackling it, but acting like it doesn't happen just because you don't understand it is silly.

>>14212692
If you don't feel bad about killing children you need to be locked the fuck up forever.

But actually I seriously doubt that's true and it's more likely you just being a tryhard edgelord for anonymous e-peen points. Since, you know, humans are genetically programed to have some basic level of morality and remorse.

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They're getting gayer with each episode

>>14212823
How much gayer/lewder can they go in a show like this? Certainly they'd hit a ceiling soon at this rate?

>>14212837
Implied lesbian sex
Hell, they did it with Psycho Pass

>>14212842
>implied
Considering what happened between Alto and Sheryl in Frontier, that may very well happen.

>>14212817
>humans are genetically programed to have some basic level of morality and remorse.
lol no

>>14212878
But that's wrong, faggot.

>>14212878
t. intermediate schooler

>>14212884

Soldiers literally have to be trained to overcome an aversion to shooting people, even people they perceive as "the enemy". And doing so often leaves them with horrific mental scars that never heal if left alone. Even when they're killing from an air-conditioned room thousands of miles away using a joystick.

I'm not really sure what else you think is going on. People having some basic sense of morality and remorse doesn't and never has meant that they can't do bad things to other people if they perceive the cause to be solid enough, because it's only a basic sense - not a total one.

>>14212915
ps dave grossman was wrong

>>14212944

Nice proof. Not that it matters since (a) the US took his advice and started training soldiers with a view toward shooting to kill - which worked and (b) PTSD still says that people have an aversion to killing even if you don't want to believe Grossman for some reason.

>>14210167
>an eternal downer on his mood for like two-three episode
Eureka Seven?

I imagine Messer complained Hayate wasn't traumatized enough
>Better send him to an enemy planet where he's bound to run into someone grieving for the decreased

>>14212837

Nanoha.

>>14212986
It might actually be more of a socially induced vicious cycle enhanced by a self-fulfilling prophecy causing PTSD rather than anything inherent to being human.

Most psychological studies commonly forget about cultural mores when looking for the causes of things.

>>14211991
And neither will Hayate and Mirage nor will they be in a relationship.

>>14212679
Then do it, instead of playing internet tough guy.

>>14212335
I thought Alto's entire angst was finding a place where he belonged or some shit. And whether he can make a decision for himself or he has to take on the roles that other people decide for him (his entire kabuki gig thing with his family and shit).

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>>14210972
God, I loved the fact that they showed the Sieggy doing its pre-flight control surfaces check here. I wonder how long their emergency sortie pre-flight checklist is though.

>>14212056
It wasn't him killing that was shocking. It is the fact that the UN forgot to tell everyone about the giant green men.

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>>14212823
Doujins.
Fucking.
When.

>>14213823
this is why you have combat air patrol and more sitting on the deck ready to go.

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>>14213903
>Shit, they broke through!
>Alpha, Bravo, go get em for us!
>Got it Delta 2, we'll handle it.
God, I love that detail too. The fact that Aether had her own squadron of CAP birds along with ACTUAL COMPETENT ANTI-AIR and Druid System-tier pinpoint barrier defense makes me love the technical details more.

>>14212478
... Yeah, that'd be pretty nasty to witness.

>>14213994

Still, it's interesting. I used to assume that ISC and Ex-Gear implementation went hand-in-hand and never realized that both are separate systems.

>>14214119
Remember the flying pack Alto used to wear a lot before he was in SMS? That's basically civilian EX-Gear.

>>14214139
I used to assume that if the Svs had ISC, holographic imaging, and fold capability, they'd have Ex-Gear accommodations too.

I mean, of all things, they lacked the one that was widely available to the public and should be the easiest to reverse-engineer for themselves even if they had no military examples to pick from. Then again there might not be widespread Ex-Gear usage in the sector, so there goes "public technology feedback."

It'll be a hoot if it turns out Windemere closed themselves off just before Ex-Gear made it into the sector's public market.

>>14212837
reminder that this is the same studio that does Symphogear

which had an entire episode dedicated to yandere lesbian dubstep

>>14214180
>It'll be a hoot if it turns out Windemere closed themselves off just before Ex-Gear made it into the sector's public market.
BAH, EARTHNOIDS AND THEIR TECHNOLOGIES GET OUT REEEEEEEE
Then again, the war happened 7 years ago, while Frontier happened 8 years ago.
There should be little to no chance for Winderemere to not have EX-Gears, unless the government restricted it before the great BORDERING.

>>14210809
It's PJ's dogtag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U1NjH6kwkc

>>14212986
>and (b) PTSD still says that people have an aversion to killing

It's "Post-traumatic stress disorder", Anon. Survivors of the London Fire got it, people who got pounded by artillery in the trenches all day every day got it, survivors of terrorist attacks get it.

Going Rambo on crowds or torturing folks as a day-job are probably the least PTSD-inducing thing you can do as both activities can be made relatively stress-free to the perpetrator.

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So Mikumo is a Grace?

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>bullied this episode
>will be bullied in the next

>>14214596
But she'll sure look cute.

>>14214596
If she's stuck with Mikumo? Yeah.

Mikumo needs to stop bullying Freyja

>>14210809
Kaname's panties he secretly stole

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>>14214596

>>14215008
>>14214596
>>14214600
>>14214621
Too bad we won't see a Slav in a tracksuit and armed with a sniper rifle chasing crooked-nosed Messer across Voldor just so he can get evac'd by the Muhreens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfkJriiwuDA

Mikumo is getting so many deathflags that I'd be hella surprised if she doesn't die by the halfway point or even before that

>>14215040
You can't kill the Messiah

>>14215040
Talking about Mikuno, i hear the theory she is a windermere and is hidding her rune but what if, get this
what if her whole hair is her rune?

>>14215040
Kawamori won't kill idorus

>>14215057

What'd be the point? She already puts out less fold waves than Freyja, making her Rune so large despite that would be pointless. Mind you, the entire Windermerian thing seems pointless to me since we already have one and that creates all the drama the idea an milk.

>>14210972
I love how they're still going all out with space hi-fi speaker systems, and they don't give a fuck.

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Okay so I'm guess this will be the next thread. Anyway, interview stuff in case someone wants to take a crack at it

>>14214461
>Going Rambo on crowds or torturing folks as a day-job are probably the least PTSD-inducing thing you can do as both activities can be made relatively stress-free to the perpetrator.
Oh yeah, because if there's anyone who didn't have PTSD, IT'S GOD DAMN RAMBO!

You're just embarrassing yourself.

>>14214461

You do realize the stress in the name is what the patient goes through after the event, and not what causes the problem in the first place. Which isn't limited to, but does include, killing people. Which tends to be a traumatic event. Hence the trauma in post traumatic stress disorder.

Just because other things cause it doesn't mean killing isn't traumatic to a good chunk of people. Drone soldiers are probable the least stressed killers imaginable and they get it just as much as ground pounders.

>>14214461

>Going Rambo on crowds or torturing folks as a day-job are probably the least PTSD-inducing thing

>Rambo
>Least PTSD

...did you...ever watch the movie?

>>14215398
>Oh yeah, because if there's anyone who didn't have PTSD, IT'S GOD DAMN RAMBO!

Rambo was a full-blown psycho. His former CO executed him in the novel because there was nothing to fix - he was exactly the danger to humanity he was meant to be.

>>14215040
For me it seems that Mikumo going to betray the Delta squadron for Heinz later.

>>14215446
I'm sorry, what? Mikumo is a lolicon, not a shotacon

>>14215495
This looks like MiraMira fresh out of MCAS Miramar.

>>14215495
CUTE

>>14211061
It still triggers me that Hayate is apparently special snowflake enough to just fly without a helmet like a retard.

>>14215524
>fly without a helmet
But he does have a helmet. While he may not be wearing it under normal conditions, it's still fully capable of doing its job (namely, protecting the pilot in the event of ejection).

my.mixtape.moe/bwhxnp.mp4
my.mixtape.moe/ztrqtz.mp4
my.mixtape.moe/iiezpa.mp4
my.mixtape.moe/hosiou.mp4


BS11 quality

>>14215524
He has a helmet. He just likes flying without it.

>>14211061
EX-Gear preflight check, mate.

>>14215857
I'm guessing even Freyja is infiltrating Voldor with inumimis, yes? Also,
>SHE'S A PERFECT SPORTS HUMAN

>>14215857
Was... mirage always so .. endowed?

>>14216095
They're dancing, mate. Also, for all we know she might be using CONFORMAL FUEL TANKS.

>>14215864
didn't windamachallems have heightened physical abilities in addition to really short life spans?

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iTunes

>>14216129
>It was an inside joke
Fuuuuuu

>>14216186
>OP and ED selling like hotcakes
Glorious

>>14216095

Yes. Her flight suit compresses them for a svelte bodyline for obvious purposes, but outside it she's always had pretty big hopes and dreams.

>>14216202
Which are of course overshadowed by our resident lesbian mecha-otaku.

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>>14216205
I want to be enveloped by her Makinas

>>14216341
Fun fact.
Makina is Flip for engine or machine.
I wonder if Megumi Nakajima had in her naming? Megumi's half-Flip, after all.

So the Drakens don't have PPBs (as is evidenced by Da getting wrecked by a couple of shots from Hayate) but the VF-31s do. Are the Drakens technologically superior in any way or are they just VFs designed to take advantage of the heightened Windermerean physical capabilities?

>>14216424

They probably do have pin point barriers - the tech has been around just on fighters at least 30 years by the time of Delta, long enough that they shouldn't not have it. notBellri just got caught by surprise because he was already kind of in over his head with Master Helman pushing him to make his first kill, so he wanted to get it right and just never noticed Hayate. The Drakens are at least superior in having drones attached by default, since only Chuck carries any in Delta Squad, and even then, only small non-combat ones.

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Jellyfish and apples. That's the theme of Delta

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>>14216424
>Are the Drakens technologically superior in any way
They have the mini-Drakens

So Lady M... she's Mikumo, isnt she? She's bankrolling her own PMC

>>14215050
KUMO LIVES IN DEATH!
KUMO LIVES IN DEATH!
PEACE THROUGH MUSIC
PEACE THROUGH MUSIC

>>14217052
It's definitely not her. It's probably someone behind the scenes.

>>14216186
Is this just anime music or is it all music?

>>14217052

Mylene.

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>>14217052
>So Lady M... she's Mikumo, isnt she?
It would be a little weird for them to be talking about someone who's in the room.

Personally I am guessing it is Mylene like others say.

>>14217110
All music

>>14217094

Minmei?

>>14217157

Unlikely given Mari Ijima's feelings on the character, Kawamori's wish to not use the main cast again and even just Minmei's personality to be honest. She doesn't come off as a combatative person who'd be concerned with and want to help stop Var. Mylene is more likely.

>>14217157
No because a)Kawamori doesn't really want to go back to the SDF characters and b)Mari Ijima

Also on a personal note, I think that would be a little too much pandering. This is why I think it would be Mylene because that's like the right amount of pandering

>>14217149

for a second there I thought the thumbnail was from stellaria, jesus I need to stop playing that game

>>14217177
If it is Mylene, Gamlin better show up.

>>14217189
I wanna play Stellaria but I also wanna wait till it comes on sale...the Steam Summer Sale should be coming soon in a couple of months, right? ;_;

>>14217189
>No playable migrant fleet
>No giant trait
>No Macross ships
>No Sound weapons
>No Macross mod

>>14217177
Plus Minmei would be ancient at this point, so Christmas Cake Mylene seems more reasonable.

>>14217217
Doesn't Zentraedi tech let people age a lot slower in Macross?

>>14217202
yes, either next month or the month after I think

>>14217213
>No Macross mod
yet, I'm really hoping someone is crazy enough to pull it off well I also want cat eared people mod, and no not the furry kind like the fox or cat people they already have in-game

>>14217052
It's Miranda.

>>14217234
>I also want cat eared people mod

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=681719256

>>14217231
Fair point, although Max is the only visible proof of that so far (if only because he's the only SDF human to make a proper reappearance outside of a game).

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Jenius

>>14217491
Who's the mother?

Miranda Jenius is her mommy.

>>14217504
>>14217525
Did Miranda show up in any media? I remember one of the games had a Jenius daughter as the protagonist but I forgot which one.

>>14215421
He still had PTSD you tard.

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>>14217675
Miranda is the second youngest, so she's the Jenius daughter in the family photo with the twintails.

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>>14217059
You.
I like you.

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>>14217234
>>14217213
>>14217251
If it's any consolation, generals Zero Hour has Xenoforce. Pic related.

>>14218306
Still have that. Has a gundam mod as well. Though it's odd as the federations super weapon drops a colony.

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>>14218343
Eh, when Zeon's superweapons are basically GENESIS and asteroids, you know the creator was a SEEDfag. Doesn't matter that much, really.


Still, you don't get any warnings when a colony looms over the horizon.

770 名前:メロンさんex@ご利用は紳士的に@無断転載は禁止 (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 6540-mGHn)[sage] 投稿日:2016/05/11(水) 21:05:25.49 ID:/D3UPB4K0 [2/2]
リスアニ!の眉毛のインタ見たよ

歌はうまくてやる気もあるフレイアだけど、
実はダンスが苦手でハヤテがダンスを教えるというシーンを
考えていたんだって
レッスンシーンは尺の都合と0048でかなり描いたから
今回はあえて割り切ったそうな

プロトカルチャーの謎もキーポイントだって
ハヤテ、フレイア、ミラージュの淡い三角関係以外にも
いろんなΔが恋愛に限らず見えてくるんだって

Kawamori was considering that Freyja is not that good at dancing and at some point Hayate might have to teach her but decided there aren't enough episodes to do that and he already did the dance lessons a lot in 0048 so he decided to forgo on that. Also some stuff about the mysteries surronding the Protoculture and also that apart from the faint main triangle (yes, he described it like that) there are a lot more triangles not limited to romantic love.

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>>14219472
>Kawamori was considering that Freyja is not that good at dancing and at some point Hayate might have to teach her but decided there aren't enough episodes to do that
GODDAMMIT HE CAN'T JUST SAY THAT AND NOT DO IT.

>>14210167
Obviously he absorbed Bellri's Genki when he murdered him

Does the Spacy just exist to be made fun of while PMCs like Chaos and SMS steal the show? Usually in fiction mercenaries are amoral assholes in contrast with the regular army.

>>14219674
Chaos is more like a private security contractor than a PMC.

>>14219472
>that apart from the faint main triangle (yes, he described it like that) there are a lot more triangles not limited to romantic love.

Beyond romantic love what other kind of triangle could you even have? Friendship, family and so on aren't exclusive relationships so don't require a singular choice to make a triangle.

I'm kind of guessing he's referring to Keith and Roid being two choices for Heinz for instance, but Heinz isn't even looking to make an active choice, at least as of now, and that kind of thing isn't really a triangle or exclusive to Macross. It's nothing new for anime full stop.

>>14219674
>Does the Spacy just exist to be made fun of
Yes

>>14219674

They aren't really jobbing or anything, its just that they end up fighting each other more than anything else. They show a 171 getting a kill and not instantly dying the second the knights show up, for what its worth..

>>14219709
I mean, that kill is on another 171...

>>14219674
>Usually in fiction mercenaries are amoral assholes in contrast with the regular army.
In Macross they are there because NUNS can't deal with everything.

If they want forces that WILL come and help, paying a nearby PMC to reinforce your troops is the easiest way to ensure that reinforcements will definitely come.
Calling home does not necessarily mean that a fleet will come and help, and if they do come and help, they will probably be late because of the distance.

>>14219709
>They show a 171 getting a kill
On it's own ally

>>14219674
>Does the Spacy just exist to be made fun of

Outside of M7s fleet the spacy forces we see are low tier due to being irrelevant in the grand scope of things I would imagine the closer you get to earth the better equipped and trained they are. but that wouldn't make any difference if the guy your fighting can mind control ~80% of your forces. I think the 171 pilot fighting in this ep is the only one i've seen so far who didn't get MCed

>>14219715
>>14219720

kill is a kill. and the majority of the battle involved UNS fighting itself

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>>14219723

>backwater monarchy can afford to outfit all their pilots with cutting edge fighter

>meanwhile the galactic army you serve sends you out in a fighter thats marginally better than a prototype developed ~10 years before it

>>14219723
>Outside of M7s fleet
M7s Spacy fleet were such jokes that them blowing up was stock footage

>>14219743
A planet>the entire galaxy when it comes to military funding

>>14219761
To be fair, damn near everything in M7 was stock footage.

>>14215071
That's what he wants you to think

From my point of view, Mikumo is the mysterious, wise, mentor character who, through self-sacrifice, provides even more impetus for one of the MCs, Freyja in this case, to grow and improve.
Unless she ends up doing something else, like betraying the Delta Squadron & Walküre, I can't see anything else for her character to do.

At least, if anyone is going to die, it's Arad, the leader of Delta Squadron. He's probably going to be the Fokker to Kaname's Claudia, the signs are all there. Messer will have to step up and become less Spartan when he has to lead the Delta Squadron himself, and/or he's going to blame Hayate for it and Hayate will have to carry some of the burden for a few eps.

I don't know, I'm just thinking "out-loud" in typical anime tropes. I'd be really pleased if nothing I just mentioned happens, to be honest.

>>14219743
Winderemere has limited forces and thus they can spend more per pilot.
NUNS has god knows how many more pilots and they might not be able to spend more per pilot, but they got the numbers.

>>14219761
The NUNS valks blowing up is stock footage in Frontier too. Must've seen that one sequence of a fighter losing a wing then exploding at least 5 times.

>>14219743
>can afford to outfit all their pilots with cutting edge fighter
Yeah, all 30 of them

>>14219679
But muh Metal Gear told me those are really the same thing and private security contractor just sounds nicer.

>>14219772
>From my point of view, Mikumo is the mysterious, wise, mentor character who, through self-sacrifice, provides even more impetus for one of the MCs

...only that Mikumo had her nude-scenes in which she mused about the fact that she ain't got no fucking clue what the fuck she's doing or why she even bothers with all of this shit.

She's the other character who's completely isolating herself from the rest of the crew outside of business hours, but unlike Messer, she doesn't even have a common history with anyone previous of their Walküre-gig.

>>14217675
The Macross 7 movie featured Emilia.

>>14219761
They were fielding the top three variable fighters at the time is what he meant I believe.

mikumo is either going to betray walkure or die, or both

>>14219761

at the time the average garrison fielded VF-5000s. the M7 fleet is one of the only ones that got the VF-19 plans. Isamu couldn't even get the VF-19A and had to settle for a watered down VF-19F. if they went through with mass producing the VF-19 like its implied they did then they are leagues better than most of the other fleets we know of

>>14219953
Kek, not even close.

>>14219967

one of these fucking worlds has to have a VF-19 or something other than a fucking 171. kawamori, fucking please

>>14219881
She gives off a mysterious air to others, I mean

>>14219967
But even the Zolans had a few VF-19 models on hand and the planet wasn't high priority when it came to defense.

>Isamu couldn't even get the VF-19A and had to settle for a watered down VF-19F.
That's wrong, though. Yes, VF-19A was restricted but Isamu made a deal with Neuman, he got the VF-19Advance (seen in Frontier movie 2) which is apparently comparable to the VF-19A

>>14219791
>Yeah, all 30 of them
There was clearly more than 30 in that shot of the hangar in episode 2

>>14220020
>That's wrong, though. Yes, VF-19A was restricted but Isamu made a deal with Neuman, he got the VF-19Advance (seen in Frontier movie 2) which is apparently comparable to the VF-19A

no i mean the VF-19ADVANCE was developed from the VF-19EF which is a monkey model of the VF-19F

>>14219791

>30 fighters can cap 4 planets

ok lol

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>>14220108
Having an interplanetary mind control beam certainly helped

>>14220108
They had a pretty good singer as well.

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>>14219761
There is a noticeable difference, though, VF-11 stock footage arranged towards the end portrays them as putting up stiffer resistance against the Varauta than their absolutely atrocious showing at the start of the show, to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if Kinryu's Armored Thunderbolt was the first VF-11 to actually nab a kill in-series.

Besides, they really got the chance to go all out during the planetary assault mission where they were outgunned and outmatched. They still jobbed like mad, but at least it was for good reason and not screaming their eyeballs out.

The day Macross slips into "everyone jobs forever" territory is when you see the Uraga-class start to go down in droves. I think it's the only non-transformable warship in the franchise to not be animated in any scenes being destroyed; and to top things off it is definitely not a Macross-class, nor has ever been involved with any named characters.

>>14220108
You underestimate the power of hard cc. That shit turns the tides of battles faster than none.

>>14220223
>There is a noticeable difference, though, VF-11 stock footage arranged towards the end portrays them as putting up stiffer resistance against the Varauta
That's II, not 7

Zentraedi still make up the bulk of the manpower in the NUN Spacy military.

Only difference between being soldiers for Protoculture and NUN? Under NUN the Zents and Meltrans get to have fun with their off time.

>>14220108
Your acting like these planets are like Coruscant

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Messer attracts people with color yellow and blue.

>>14220327
30 planes shouldn't be sufficient to take out 4 planets with one minor town and a military outpost to go with it you nauseating Star Wars shitter, although as has previously been mentioned the mind control is a massive force multiplier that makes their size somewhat irrelevant.

>>14220108
They can, if each planet has only a single settlement and they make a beeline directly to the center of government to force political capitulation, and if those planets don't really give a shit about being a part of the NUN anyway.

>>14219743
A planet where ex Anti-UN scientist came to keep working on the SV series.

back water planet being used as a testing area for new SV built by commies in hiding

>>14220372
They don't just have 30 planes either.

>>14220372
I don't know where this idea that they only have 30 planes comes from because they clearly don't

>>14220372
>>14220384
Furthermore, they apparently only need to pacify them long enough for their research team to do whatever the fuck they plan to do with those protoculture installations.

What do you think that crater in Windermere is from? Reaction bombing? The Megaroad exploding?

>>14220576
Them being complete idiots when they switched on the planets barrier and completely fuck up its activation sequence and its slowly overloading

>>14220576
Rave party gone horribly wrong

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>>14220490
I don't get it either.

>>14220490
Somebody said a random number and suddenly everybody acts like is canon
not like it really matters, Windermere doesn't have enough numbers to take a single planet anyway, thats why they depend of the mindrape song

The single is out, friends
http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20Macross%20Delta%20OP%20ED%20Single%20-%20Ichido%20dake%20no%20Koi%20nara%20%5BWalkure%5D.zip.torrent

>>14220576
Some Protoculture artifact that was used during revolution and blew up. The Belkans, err, Windermerians, probably did it but blame the NUN people in the official story.

>>14221113
It was already out on Nyaa

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>>14222256

>>14220576
DE weapon test

>>14222337

what the flying fuck is this thing.

I thought it was a quarter but it looks nothing like one transformed.

thought it was a battle class but it doesn't look like one at all either

>>14222368
Macross Elysion

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>>14222256
>>14222261
YES
E
S

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Stupid sexy Draken III

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>>14222846

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>>14222849

>>14222381
Is there no cannon?

>>14223170

It's probably under the carrier deck, like Battle 7 had if I recall. There's what could be a barrel peeking out from under the left hand deck.

>>14222256
>>14222261
>lady M.

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>>14223181

I doubt the Elysion in its current configuration has any cannon ship attached there. It doesn't have hands to hold the gun (if it does have any, not with the Aethers attached, at any rate) and that's supposed to be the optimal firing configuration for the Macross Cannon. The Elysion doesn't even have the same transformed configuration as the Quarter/Battle types; its legs are located way too forward.

If there has to be a cannon in its current configuration at all, it'd more likely than not be built-in like with the original SDF; maybe they have focusing equipment stashed somewhere on the ship. Otherwise there'll be at least an ARMD-R and an ARMD-L toodling around in orbit over Chaos waiting for the Elysion to swap them in, in lieu of two (now free-flying) Aethers.

>>14222261
>fighter mode has no giant qt

>>14220781
>Rave party gone horribly wrong
How Eldar of them.

>>14222846
>>14222851
>>14222857
This is beautiful, but it's going to have even more decals than the Frontier kits.

>>14223353
Perhaps the two Aethers can generate the beam between them, like the SDF1 did, instead of having a dedicated gunship.

>>14223380
>Perhaps the two Aethers can generate the beam between them, like the SDF1 did, instead of having a dedicated gunship.

I did consider adding that possibility into the post, but that would mean that the Elysion is effectively gimped while one of the Aethers is out and about.

Or that its two back-mounted prongs are also focusing arrays, but unlike later SDF-types where they most likely fixed the power connection issues with the original Macross, the Elysion's are pointing the wrong way.

>tfw it fires from the triangle-shaped attachment on its bridge head

>>14223353
I think it might not even have a main cannon period. Chaos isn't a PMC like SMS. It's supposed to be the equivalent of google.

Could the gunship be actually docked in the center bow gap between the Aethers when in ship mode?

Elysion seems like a ship designed before the Battle-class, given how it looks like a mix between a Macross and a Quarter/Battle, it could have been an intermediate ship with features from both. Having a separate gunship would make sense if its a class that was pretty much the basis for Battle-class and whatnot.

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>>14223394
>tfw the Elysion's MACROSS ATTACK is Ernest jumping out of the bridge and punching the enemy battleships.

>>14220108
Mind control. They can conquer themselves, all you need are some guys to supervise the enemy army conquering their own planet.

>>14223410
>Macross Cannon is Ernest firing himself out of the cannon at the enemy

>>14223353

Never mind then. It'd be nice to see them show off the ship's apparently modularity at some point by replacing one armd ship with another though, or split in to it's five component parts to battle.

>>14223410

I do hope he gets to fight a variable fighter at some point to show off his judo.

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>>14223461

>>14210875
bad political ideas are like roaches... they survive everything.

>>14212072
life is not a video game. Blowing up machines, or even giant green aliens, is not the same as seeing an enemy that could be your neighbor or friend dying because you pulled the trigger.

>>14214180
>It'll be a hoot if it turns out Windemere closed themselves off just before Ex-Gear made it into the sector's public market.
I would say it is a combination of cost and availability. They could probably gotten some Ex-gear if they were not already being xenophobic, but the logistics of getting it out to a frontier world at a time they were spending their money on gearing up to fight off the UN Spacy made such things impractical.

>>14214180

I think the high ranking guys have ex-gears, the mooks clearly dont as evidenced by this episode tho

>>14215204
>I love how they're still going all out with space hi-fi speaker systems
fun fact... If you send enough power though transmitter you can broadcast to just about anything with a coil of wire. basically they are overpowering the speakers of the enemy mecha to force them to hear the music. Short range and directional, but less damaging than Basura's speaker pod bullets and missiles

>>14224451
I actually miss the speaker pods and missiles, but either way, this will do.

>>14224378
But the UN is shit and must be destroyed.

>>14224655
I think the speaker pods are what they shot into the asteroids

so what's the best vf-1 out there right now?

>>14226323
The VF-1EX.

>>14226328
i suppose i should have specified toy-wise

>>14226342
Arcadia VF-1 but it'll cost you up to $200 so good luck.

>>14223353

2 cannons, each on each tip. Looks like the ship hands are cannon ships. Erenst is dual weilding

Hayate seems to excel in space combat isnt he?

In vacuum he can utilize all his battlroid moves without restrictions, air resistance just seems to keep him down.

>>14222337
>>14223353
Seeing the Elysion in ship form, I feel more and like its an in-between of the old and new macross classes. It looks a lot like the SDF, and transformed, it doesn't have hands like the new macross class, instead attached ships, like the original SDF. It's clearly bigger than a quarter. Maybe it has a old style cannon like the SDF?

>>14223402
Does Chaos own the Elysion? Or are they just headquartered there?

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That's pretty cool. I wonder if more places on Windermere are named after places in Cumbria.

>>14226755
On the contrary, in space he wasted all his propellant and ran out well before any of the other squadron members did.

>>14227041
It says they own it >>14215388

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Towels anybody?

>>14227707
Why does green look so disgusted?

>>14227871
She doesn't. She's still smiling. I guess her expression looks a bit less enthused than the others, but that's just her personality.

>>14227707
>printed on towels

I'll never be able to use them.

>>14227881
She's a kuudere. Her archetype is having (or rather displaying) next to no emotions. So yes

>>14227707

>mikumo and Freyja alternate for face and crotch
>Hayate for my face crotch and butt
>Mirage stays pure and never used
>everybody else random

>>14227290
To be fair Hayate had to run all the way back to the Aether to save Freyja since Alpha and Beta squadrons turned out to both be cannon fodder.

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>>14215857
>>14215008

>>14227290
That part was somewhat contrived. Have we ever seen packs run out of propellant? And why would they do anyway? Valkyries run on reaction engines, don't the packs connect to the same fuel lines the rest of the plane uses?

>>14228255
>infiltrate enemy planet
>leave your rune for everybody to see

>>14228255

Hayate a cute

>>14228267
Law of conservation of mass, even if the engines can generate power forever you still need to use that power to expel propellant behind you to propel yourself using Newton's third law.

So I kinda never got into Macross, but watching Delta, I realized how much I needed planes transforming into mechas in my life.
However, I gotta ask, what's the fucking point of those half plane/mecha forms? I don't really see it.

>>14228268
maybe she's posing as a cat / windermere half

>>14228461
the halfway mode allows high mobility on the ground by hovering, as well as vertical takeoff and landing

it has a lower profile than the humanoid mode which means it's a smaller target, and the lower centre of gravity makes it easier to hover as well

>>14228461
the first Macross show had the humans fighting huge giant humanoid aliens, so the robot form is pretty much the same size as the giant aliens, thus allowing for them to interact (with their gear and other things perhaps) Really though its just that the series creator is a really good designer of transporting mecha planes.

Your question is also kind of like "Why are there giant robots in Gundam?"

>>14228483
And only now I realize you were asking about gerwalk mode. Fuck

well yeah, its an inbetween mode that's an agile hover mode, not as fast as full jet, not as capable of dexterious manipulation as the mecha form, but very mobile

>>14228255
This all looks a lot like Utawarerumono

>>14228565

Or Final Fantasy 11

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what is this? looks F104 based, but not sure

>>14230398
Looks like a MiG 28

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>>14230413
looks like a single engine to me, but who knows?
if that's the case though, do the Knights only fly single engine?

>>14230423
Most probably a mix.
The F-104 is piss ugly.
I can see why Kawamori would go for the sexy F-5 instead

>>14230428
F-5 nose, cockpit, wings
F-104 fuselage, engine, tail
sound about right?

at this point Macross is pretty much Warhammer 40K: Good end, right?

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>>14230458
Pretty much.

>>14230455
No.
More like a single engine version of the F-5

>>14230458
Elaborate.

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Arad's VF-31 is starting to grow on me.

>>14230476
>all the different xenos working together to build a better future.
>being able to cum inside and impregnate an eldar waifu.

>>14228461
It turns the fighter into a VTOL gunship.

>>14230470
So an F-20 Tigershark?

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The recent mini-live. Tickets completely sold out. This is an hour before performance

>>14230458
>>14230500

I guess you could say that Zentraedi = Orks (without the hooliganism) and Vajra = Tyranids, and maybe Basara = Slaanesh (with the guitar energy beams and stuff), but we don't have an equivalent to the Necrons yet.

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Freyja and Mikumo's singer JUNNA were the only ones there though

>>14230776
>but we don't have an equivalent to the Necrons yet.

That other fleet in F went fully GO ROBOT OR TO THE TRASH YOU GO.

>>14230805
Was that really how the Galaxy worked? I thought it was just that the robotics aspect was popular and then they just got out of hand

01. 恋! ハレイション THE WAR~without Freyja~
作詞 : 深川琴美・姉田ウ夢ヤ 作曲・編曲 : 姉田ウ夢ヤ ストリングス編曲 : 倉内達矢

02. 一度だけの恋なら
作詞 : 唐沢美帆・加藤裕介 作曲・編曲 : 加藤裕介

03. ジリティックBEGINNER
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04. 不確定性COSMIC MOVEMENT
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05. 僕らの戦場
作詞 : 唐沢美帆・加藤裕介 作曲・編曲 : 加藤裕介

06. NEO STREAM
作詞 : 西田恵美 作曲・編曲 : 渡辺未来 ストリングス編曲: 倉内達矢

07.AXIA~ダイスキでダイキライ~
作詞 : 六ツ見純代 作曲 : 松本良喜 編曲 : 鈴木Daichi秀行

08.GIRAFFE BLUES
作詞 : 菜穂 作曲・編曲 : h-wonder ストリングス編曲 : 加藤裕介

09. Walküre Attack!
作詞 : UiNA 作曲 : 小高光太郎・UiNA 編曲 : 小高光太郎

10. ルンがピカッと光ったら~album version~
作詞 : 西 直紀 作曲・編曲 : コモリタミノル

11.いけないボーダーライン~album version~
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12. 恋! ハレイション THE WAR~album version~
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>>14217504
A better question to ask would be who is the father?

Im betting its some space nigger.

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>>14228255
Voldor the planet of Cat People.

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>>14231023

>>14231021
>Im betting its some space nigger
That's like saying Hayate is Alto's kid.

>>14231021
>>>14217504
>Im betting its some space nigger.

So a Zentran.

>>14231023
>>14231028

this is ridiculous.

>>14230778
It's not like the other three had that much importance so far.

>>14230881
Release date WHEN

>>14230778

is this just for delta? didn't realize how big a crowd it could draw.

>>14215421
His PTSD was so bad that there was no way to rehabilitate him safely.

You moron.

>>14230881
i want it so bad

>>14228411
Makes me wonder why they don't use something more exotic like ion remass or something.

>>14230428
F-5 is even uglier.

They're both shitty as fuck planes though.

>>14231028
I was wondering why there was a random catgirl in that episode and oh there was a planet of them the whole time

>>14231126
Yes

>>14231179

yah mig28 is much better looking.

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>>14231109
Dude there is planet of humanoid marsupials, is it any wonder the Protoculture made a race of humanoid cats.