With one episode to go, absolutely fucking nothing has happened,

>>14023684
Even Valvrave had Thunder and Lightning even if they were killed off by best villain and best mech.

You realize there's a season 2 in the works, right? The show isn't done yet.

>>14023701
>He still thinks this.

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>>14023701

The only thing I want from this show is comeuppance for Tekkadan and Chocochar. It won't happen.

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>Even Aldnoah provoked disgust with its ntr
>its ntr

>>14023701
Just compare this and 00. 00 was split into two seasons of 2 cours. Look at how much happened in the first season of 00, and how much has happened in the "first" season of IBO.
Even if it's split and they've written it to fit that split, it's still incredibly bad and by all means nothing HAS happened.

>>14023688
Valvrave has a theme.
IBO has SUCH A LUST FOR REVENGE.

>>14023780
Gundam 00 had a good start. It has become boring until episode 15. From 16 until the end it become pretty great.

S2 begins in an exceptional way. First 5 episode were excellent. Then worsens but it remains pleasing to see, because the characters have become likable. The final battle with the Exia against the 0 Gundam allows to forgive many things.

IBO until now has been "WOW, a fucking nothing show" What is happening now, it would have happened ten episodes before.

>>14023711

That sort of reminds me of Giratina from Pokemon D/P/Pt.

>>14023863

>It had a good start

>The first season was boring for over half its run

Those two statements don't mesh.

>>14023684
There's too much focus on the characters and Kudelia's imaginary resolve, too little focus on the mech battles.

>>14023887
A series can have a good start, become boring for a few episodes then get good.

>>14023863
>What is happening now, it would have happened ten episodes before
Yeah, exactly.

>>14023893
A character-oriented Gundam wouldn't be so bad. In fact, you could say Turn A is pretty much that, despite the fact that it has more mecha combat in 10 episodes than IBO had in 24. But even with it's focus on the characters, IBO's cast still feels incredibly shallow and underdeveloped. It's like when someone talks a whoooooole bunch, and in the end when you think about it they never really said anything.

>>14023887
First episode of S1 begins with a good idea and an interesting premise, but become boring already at episode 3 because of how powerful the Gundam are.

Better?

>>14023913
If the show had stopped talking about Kudelia's resolve, or remove it completely, then it would've had time to develop the characters. I hate to think of how many side characters have died, or went missing because the writers want to prop up their corporate shill.

>>14023958
If they hadn't wasted their time maybe we would have skipped THREE DAYS worth of battles last episode. Instead of seeing them prepare for it, the tension, seeing it start et cetera, we just get plopped into the end of the big siege with no sense of tension or urgency. "Oh, the battle is pretty much over already." We don't feel the desperation they feel because the battle is already pretty much over. Even just one episode they wasted on Dort or between the Brewers arc and Dort, could have been spent on the preparation and the first two days of the siege. Then scenes Eugene and co. arriving, the losses they were taking, breaking into the city would have actually felt significant. And that's what upset me the most about this episode. I mean I think we're supposed to care about Tekkadan and all the kids, but having them all die or get grievously injured off-screen just doesn't work in its favour.

>>14023906
It can also start meh, proceed to be meh for like half a season, and then out of fucking nowhere morph into something way better than it has any right to be.

Agents of SHIELD taught me never to underestimate a well timed retool, especially if it's a retool that snags a worthwhile narrative angle. Like betrayal and revenge.

Especially revenge.

Everything is better when it suddenly mutates into MGSV.

>>14023684

Hamburger literally happened. What do you want more ?

>>14024015
Except MGSV, unfortunately.

I swear if this doesn't have a surprise second season announcement, this will probably be THE biggest wasted potential Gundam series

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>>14024240
>IBO
>potential

>>14024266
It did. In it's first bunch of episodes anyway

>The first OP gives a completely different IBO than the one we got after like, episode 3 or something.

>The IBO show shown in OP1 is about a bunch of revolutionary young kids who have been oppressed and are fighting to claim their freedom. They fight shirtless in their mobile workers as Barbatos leads the charge against their enemies as they fight to survive. The story is about the brotherly bond between Mikazuki and Orga who will clearly have some kind of aniki/otouto relationship. Also there's some girls or something I guess, whatever they're not important.

>The show we got is literally the opposite.

>>14024276
Frankly I would have preferred Kudelia quest was just a mission among many and the entire show was devoted to these child soldiers who become a corp of mercenaries feared and respected.

>>14024292
I think everybody would.

I think that's what everybody thought this was going to be.

>>14024266
Then why anime journalist think of Gundam IBO like the second coming of christ? I saw some impressions posted on Kotaku.

>>14024392
People assume that because Mika is insane and the cast has gone full retard over revenge its good ,"gritty","realistic","deep" and mature.

>>14024392
Anime viewers have an ill informed idea of what anime is. When you give them Gundam and it doesn't look like what they've read about Gundam on tvtropes they think it as innovative.

>>14024292
>>14024299

I was convinced IBO was going to be that: we would follow a mercenary company as it took on many different jobs and became more influential while the struggle for Mars' independence slowly escalated until they were thrown into a full interplanetary war.

But we got this...ehh...Kudelia's political commentary series?

>>14024392
>anime journalist
There you have it.

Most of them have only seen an inkling of shows. Maybe 20 from this decade, 10 from the last, and 2 or 3 from the 90s, MAYBE one from the 80s. These are people who think they're allowed to speak with authority on the subject because they've seen just the very popular ones, or "a lot of anime, like 50". I don't want to be an elitist or anything, but the only anime criticism I will ever listen to and acknowledge are people with cultural ties to it (Japanese people) and people who are actually in the industry. People who actually know what they're talking about. Not some spotty, 20-something, chin-strapped and fedora clad faggot in America or Canada.

>>14024440
An interstate pileup of revenge fuelling revenge on top of even more revenge.

WORDS
THAT
KILL

>>14024471
this.

Its the same with movies, when a director hates a film its valid. When nostalgia critic tm hates them, then fuck him.

>>14023684
Wow, I totally forgot there is only 1 episode left. What is even going on a this point?

>tekkadan has to transport kudelia to earth
>now on earth
>need to get some old man to some political place to get elected while his buddies have been lobbying for him
>this somehow has to do with chocolate mans revolution which is why he's been aiding tekkadan/playing gjallarhorn
>Ein who has hardly been relevant comes back after getting crippled as a half robit and goes on a killing spree

This is what the whole season's been leading to? A skirmish outside of a city to escort some old man to an election within a timeframe? I like how Naze has literally stopped being relevant once they got to earth and just left the two chicks with them. I feel like they wanted to expand more on the mafia/upper level conspiracy but that's hardly gone anywhere either.

I can't tell if we're just going through an era of especially pernicious assholes who conjure fully-formed "opinions" about things from barebones first impressions and the unreasoned, lizard impulses of the most primordial parts of their head goop, or if it's just a part of the /m//anon/human condition.

>>14024521
Yes.

I also blame trainwreck culture for lowering the level of discourse on anime because now if there's even a smidge too much melodrama it's not worth time to discuss anything and you're a shit eater for not mocking the show during livewatch threads.

>>14024392
>anime journalist
>Kotaku
If this isn't bait I dont know what is but here it goes.
It's "gritty" and "realistic" and "none of that fag shit" despite just being wasted potential and keeping all the usual gundam tropes. It attempts to be mature but at the same time comes off as incredibly juvenile due to it's execution. The old cliche's the show keeps bringing back don't help either. I simply believe people who praise this so much haven't delved that deep into anime and I don't mind if they enjoy it but if they aren't a creator or work within the industry themselves their opinion weighs as much as any shitpost on /m/. Barring that there are plenty of idiots in any industry aswell.

The problem with IBO is that it never chose what it wanted to be.

It has few and low quality action scenes, but the intrigue and political aspects are also shallow as well. Dialogue and character development aren't good and it doesn't take any risks either.

It's MEH: the series and, while AZ will be remembered for being a disaster, IBO will be forgotten some weeks after it stops airing.

>>14024510
>this somehow has to do with chocolate mans revolution which is why he's been aiding tekkadan/playing gjallarhorn

He needs to get Makanai elected so that his father's candidate/puppet, Henri Fleur (?) doesn't get elected. He basically doesn't want his father in charge of an economic bloc, so that Gjallarhorn doesnt get even more "powerful".

>This is what the whole season's been leading to?
Yup. Kudelia "KIBOU" Bernstein's big "KAKUMEI" is to deregulate half-metal by striking a deal with ARBRAU, and for that she needs Makanai, who is willing to do that, elected and in charge.
She already became "KIBOU" in the Dort Colonies, in a conflict that was resolved quietly off-screen without any mention of it afterwards.

For a show that has so much exposition there's still incredible amounts of things that are inconsistent, just not touched upon, or just very vague. It's like they're thinking "p-please just be distracted by the QUALITY and poor storyboarding and directing, just don't notice all the flaws in the writing p-please". I can already see Makanai getting elected and then afterwards after all the fights when Kudelia confronts her he goes "Sike! You're not getting anything after all dumb broad."
Then we'll get some "Waaahh waahh what were our sacrifices for i am a bad person" scenes. Probable time-skip to older, depressed Kudelia getting approached by an eye-patch wearing Orga (calling it now, he'll lose an eye in the finale) saying "Yo bitch, let's revolution". *RAISE YOUR FLAAAAAAAG*

>>14024392
>Kotaku
Hahahaha oh god my fucking sides

>>14024440
how did they fail so miserably with a so cool premise?

>>14024580
By having one of the worst directors in the industry behind it.

Yes I'm actually not blaming Okada for this one. This all feels like every fucking thing that went wrong here is on Nagau

>>14024580
Why do some many African American boys turn bad? Absentee fathers.

Now replace "African American boys" with "good premise", and replace "Absentee fathers" with "Absentee writers".

>>14024568
>Yup. Kudelia "KIBOU" Bernstein's big "KAKUMEI" is to deregulate half-metal by striking a deal with ARBRAU
Episode 10 was the reason I shit on this show. Along with the fact that it took 10 episodes for her to say what exactly she was going to Earth for.

KUDELIA SUGOI

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>>14023684
I want it to end with orphans dying in the streets of Edmondton, waking the people of Arbrau and the other power blocs to the horrible conditions on the colonies and on Mars. The reforms Kudelia wants happen, but only because people hate her for walking to Edmondton on the bodies of dead pre-teens, and Orga gets thrown in jail for war crimes.

Seriously fuck this shit. I can suspend disbelief for sixteen-year-olds in giant robots or for twelve-year-olds working in support staff roles, but not twelve-year-olds dying en masse in mobile workers. Especially when their logic is cult logic ("my death will make Tekkadan greater!"). Every goddamn young adult in his series -- Orga, Mika, Biscuit, Eugene Kudelia,, Azee, Lafter, Naze, Beardman -- had the moral responsibility to go "whoa kid your balls haven't even dropped yet" but only Merribit even bothered.

If we get an S2, it had goddamn well better have Mika in Barbatos Arche and that ginger kid in Exia.

So is IBO actually performing well from a monetary standpoint?

>>14024594
>By having one of the worst directors in the industry behind it.

http://toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Cloverfield

Cloverfield, also known as Nagai Space, is in full effect.

>>14024634
PRIDE FEEDS THEIR BLACKENED HEARTS

>>14024637
We don't have any numbers for gunpla or mechandise. The BDs are selling, but not fantastically. At least slightly more than G-Reco, but not as much as you'd expect from a show as appealing to newcomers as IBO.

>>14024637
Who knows, we dont have hard numbers on things that really matter to Banrise like Gunpla and other merchandise.

I think it may be a success for them given they called Build Fighters Try and G-Reco a success and both their ratings and BD sales were only marginally lower respectively. What raises the question for IBO is its massive ad campaign, events, merch, tv spots all over the place, an english dub right out the gate along with simulcasting means they have a ton of faith in it compared to past shows. I dont think even AGE got this treatment and Banrise had enormous expectations of it.

>>14024642
Let's look at what Nagai is known for.
> In Toaru Kagaku no Railgun though some dramatic scenes are present in the original manga, the anime adaptation has them moved around, allowing for an episode focusing entirely on character drama instead of the story, making for the anime having a much more subdued pace
> The cluttering of the Toaru Majutsu no Index timeline through original episodes with multiple days passing each episode. This extends to the Toaru Kagaku no Railgun (PSP game).
> The flanderization of character personalities like Shirai Kuroko, Misaka Mikoto, and Kongou Mitsuko.
> The usage and rearrangement of material from the manga that does not fit with how it was originally presented in the manga.
> The repetitive use of gags and establishing scenes. An example of this is Kuroko molesting Mikoto and characters eating things.
> Excessive focus on characters irrelevant to the manga plot, such as Haruue Erii and Edasaki Banri.
> The weakening and giving characters "plot-induced stupidity" in order for other characters to come to another's aid.
> Perceived favoritism towards certain characters appearing in scenes (most often cited to be Saten Ruiko).

All of this fits IBO to a T.

>>14024440
You seriously thought that the show was going to be a positive look at a company of child soldiers who are auspiciously named close to the Tekketsu Kinnotai, a group of 1,000+ Japanese middle school kids who were organized and sent to fight in Okinawa and died in the hundreds for no reason?

>>14024421
But it actually is. Gritty and whatever. And I know you're going to deny it, but I've got about a week's worth of MUH CARTA threads that say otherwise.

>>14024723
Go Nagai worked on Railgun and Index?

>>14024440
I'm glad they didn't attempt it. The real robot shitheap is full of series that tried and failed to convey that there was a huge war going on.

>>14024723
Ignoring the bits about manga, because there is none, this really does fit IBO.

>>14023863
>First 5 minutes were excellent

FTFY

>>14024739
>Go Nagai worked on Railgun and Index?
No but imagining an IBO manga by Go Nagai is a nice thought.

>>14024735
I'm still convinced that they're also drawing from various African independence movements that involved the use of children as soldiers, and, yeah... Same shit. There was no way this turned out RAH RAH HEROES.

>>14024240
>this will probably be THE biggest wasted potential Gundam series
No that's AGE, IBO has no potential whatsoever.

>>14024751
WORDS THAT KILL

>>14024743
Most Gundam entries do that fine and to a lesser extend VOTOMS.

>>14024752
>IBO has no potential whatsoever.
we could've had the adventures of PMC child soldier bros in space with a few good thematic elements and world building sprinkled on top,but instead we got that really annoying and sometimes pointless escort mission in a shooter game

>>14024471
>These are people who think they're allowed to speak with authority on the subject because they've seen just the very popular ones,
So exactly like everyone on /m/?

>>14024765
Lately? The answer is no; GSD, ironically enough, is probably the last one. AZ, VVV, MJP, AGE, all failed; 00 didn't even attempt it. The fact is that 9/11 and the Iraq War kind of took the wind out of the sails of that kind of story. The things that people want to talk about in modern real robot are incompatible with a total war scenario.

>>14024779
Potential died when the relationship "not as advertized" between Mika and Orga turned out to be a fat lot of nothing and Kudelia was declared SUGOI just by existing.

>>14024752
>AGE had more potential than IBO
>AGE had potential
wee lads

>>14024791
>AZ
No, just no

>>14024791
VVV wasn't full war, it was cold war tensions at best that then exploded into a small regional conflict.

>>14024758
I guess. At least people aren't ignoring it anymore. Congo Civil War has caused the most deaths of any single conflict since WWII/(mostly due to starvation).

>>14023684
remember when people talked how IBO would save gundam?
yeah, another fuckinf ruined series, thanks sunrise
into the garbage it goes, alogin with try, age and g shit

>>14024795
>when the relationship "not as advertized" between Mika and Orga turned out to be a fat lot of nothing
that too,we've barely seen any brotherly interactions from them outside when Mika backs up Orga's ideas and the flashback scenes

>>14024751
I'm still of the opinion that the boring Brewers and Dort arcs are there to convince the viewer of the righteousness and invincibility of Tekkadan. They achieve success after success, they start thinking of themselves as family and heroes, they're the white knights protecting the Maiden of Revolution. They're the anime heroes.

Then when they hit Earth everything starts falling apart and in the crucible of the battlefield their true nature is revealed to the viewer again: a company of emotionally damaged child soldiers who only really know how to kill and die. It's outside of the ability of normal people (Merribit and by extension us, the viewers) to understand or to fix and it's tragic.

On second thought what the heck were they doing showing this to kids

>>14024798
>implying AGE didn't have potential
>a series that if done right could've expanded the gundam franchise to a new generation and medium

>>14024800
What are you saying? That it did or didn't successfully pull of conveying a total war?

>>14024802
Even so, the sense of scale of the world was really off.

>>14024813
I'm still waiting on the girls who will fall in love with the group of boys.

Kudelia isnt going to win the Mika is she? They've had one purely shock value purposed kiss and Gut's girls are dead.

That leaves Merribit but she doesnt want to ride Orga's murder boner.


>>14024820
You know when AGE first came out I was in denial, I thought this could be great. Like a grander version of Legends of the Fall but with robots and more war.

>>14024820
>expanded the gundam franchise to a new generation and medium
what's with statement of "expanding" the franchise you are so obsessed with?
it will never expand, gundam will never be more than a toy fucking commercial
that means it doesn't even have to be a good show, if anyone was expecting (or is delusional) that IBO is remotely good, you are fucking retarded
its trash, the pacing it has is atrocious compared to other series and you can't deny that, characters are mediocre and forgettable (who was the fat fuck that died like 4 weeks ago?) and the mechanical desingns are shit, save for the grunts

>>14024795
Not sure what "not as advertized" means but I think they meant that Orga seems to be the leader and Mika is the follower but in reality it's Orga who is mentally subservient to Mika? Which is something that is alluded to very early in the show but only made abundantly clear in the last few episodes.

>>14024738
Its gritty but is it good?The series was gritty before everyone started lusting after revenge and Carta got killed.People are insisting that IBO is good because the cast has gone nuclear.

>>14024830
>what's with statement of "expanding" the franchise you are so obsessed with?
I don't really care about it, but I was just stating AGE had the potential to do so.

>>14024825
>I'm still waiting on the girls who will fall in love with the group of boys.
Don't worry after becoming famous throughout the earth sphere Shino can drown in all the-

>>14024833
>but in reality it's Orga who is mentally subservient to Mika
Literally one scene which was really Mika telling Orga to get his shit together so he can keep on leading. You can try and argue but he is doing it for Mika so Mika is in charge yet that falls apart when he has already said he's doing it for all of muh family.

>>14024822
It wasn't off in scale anywhere unless you consider Dyson spheres while having only colonized up to the moon as being a major disconnect in tech levels.

That and world conspiracy.

>>14024857
Orga said very early on that he has to be cool in front of Mika because he takes upon himself the role of leader and Mika is simply a follower. This is a very heavy foreshadowing to come of their incredibly unhealthy codependent relationship. The reason why he is so driven as a leader is because he has taken upon himself to be the motivation of two people (himself and Mika).

You can tell because whenever he's around Tekkadan he is always cool and strong, basically the ideal of a leader. When he's talking with adults like Naze or Merribit he is depicted as more like the insecure teenager he really is. He certainly has some strong leadership qualities but you can also tell that he's fronting half the time too.

When Biscuit dies he's thrown into a mess because he was his best advisor. Mika shows up later and emotionally pressures him into doing something, anything really, as long as he gets to keep moving forward. Someone else mentioned the other day that it's like Orga is the lead dog and Mika is the dog behind him, nipping at his heels so that he can never falter.

>>14024276
I really wanted it to keep the dusty ground-pounding, hot-blooded vibe of the first 3 episodes

>>14024835
I'm not going to wade into the quagmire of saying that it's unequivocally good, but the fact that it sparked such a robust discussion about the nature of war on here speaks to how well that particular aspect was executed. IBO set up a situation where people were honestly questioning if we were right to be cheering for the protagonists; if the antagonist was sympathetic or pitiful or both; if the ends justified the means in the specific situation and in war in general. And it wasn't just an artifact of a situation the show stumbled into; there was enough build up and then reinforcement of points that it's evident that the writers knew what they're doing.

I guess one could say that it was a lousy payoff for 2 cours of watching, but I found it compelling enough

>>14024890
>he has to be cool in front of Mika because
he's a fucking weirdo and so to use him he has to think about his actions, that is still Orga in charge you just deal with people in different ways. Again it is literally that one scene where Mika says what to do, others are Mika do the thing or I'll get your farm cause muh family

>Mika shows up later
See, you have one example.

>>14024910
The star wars prequel cause a robust collection of videos by RLM, doesn't mean they were good.

People talk about these things in IBO because how badly they have been handled. People aren't questioning if it is right to cheer for protagonists, they are pointing out how badly written they are and that they don't like or want to support these characters preferring them all just to die

>>14024870
It was off, though. We didn't get to see much of the Earth sphere. There was little indication of what the other colonies were like or what was going on there; what was going on on Earth; how expansive the moon colonies were. MGS had White Base slowly making its way across half the planet; GSD had shots of worldwide destruction a couple episodes in, and then had the same sort of sense of "fighting our way across a war torn planet". It's the difference between an open-world game and FFXIII.

>>14024918
if you're in charge you don't get manipulated by your subordinate into doing something aggressively against your own interests

Saying "it sucks" over and over won't make it true.

Its good. I've been glued to it week to week. This is literally the only place on the internet ive seen anyone complain about it.

Take your contrarian hive-mind bullshit back to /v/

>>14024927
That's useful when we're looking at worldwide faction vs faction, not so much an isolated dyson module vs space Prussia.

In a war between Ukraine and Russia you don't need to know what the current state of affairs in America are like.

>>14024930
> get manipulated
Again, you have one scene which was telling him to keep up being a leader. It wasn't manipulation it was a pep talk done by a creepy kid

>against your own interests
Completing the job has been his interest throughout the whole show as that is how he will support muh family, they lack other means. This is not the first lost suffered for the group and it didn't deter him before. As Orga has said if they give up this job they will look pretty bad so that isn't an option. I'd add though they'd struggle to get off earth anyway and are already a target of the gjallarhorn so there is no run away option

>>14024015
>Everything is better when it suddenly mutates into MGSV.
>tfw I never played metal gear
>tfw I never get the MGSV memes or why someone calls a character punished X
I almost want to play the game just so that I get what people are saying, almost.

Am I the only one that's just happy to see that Edmonton finally got some decent bridges?

>>14024953
Such a lust for revenge

>>14024953
MGSV isn't that great a game and that meme someone keeps pushing that they are at all similar really doesn't fit well outside a very very broad idea of there are people in an army which is close (and that didn't even play as much into mgsv as the trailers let on)

>>14024925
The prequel reviews were things most viewers agreed upon though. This arc of IBO had people on both sides arguing intensely. And the kicker is that the situation was complex enough that the answer is somewhat subjective. Do you care more that people hew to somewhat arbitrary rules of war, or do you understand one side doing what it needs to win? Is it better to observe honor and justice in war? Can you only command that with overwhelming force? Are the good guys the ones supporting a corrupt but stable system, or the underdogs fighting for their rights? And if the rights and ideals are what are important, is it okay to kill, even brutalize supporters of that corrupt system in order to topple it?

These topics were brought up over the last week+ in various IBO threads. IBO sparked these discussions. It was a natural, organic response to a compelling storyline. If you want to deny that, you've basically decided how you feel about IBO and aren't going to be changed by anything as trivial as what actually happens in the show and how people actually react to it.

>>14024948
Dorssia takes over the rest of the Dyson sphere. It's stated but we don't see it and it's never addressed again; it's just a matter if fact as the series progresses. That's a failure. The damn series is called Valvrave the Liberator and we never even see it liberate the parts of the world that are apparently out there to be liberated.

>>14024968
>The prequel reviews were things most viewers agreed upon though.
No, just whiny shits that have no idea what they're talking about and can easily be debunked.

>2nd season
>kudelia was successful
>it turns out Makanai is A HITLER
how likely is this scenario?

>>14024945
>Saying "it sucks" over and over won't make it true.

It's a meme you dip.

cos m/ is cool like that.

now back to a/ to celebrate rad anime and gunpla

>>14024961
I am just really curious, because literally everyday I see someone say, SUCH LUST FOR REVENGE or something like Punished X or he is going nuclear,

>>14024959
Make sense damnit.

>>14024817
Careful anon, if you read too much into it you'll realize the writers had some idea of what they were doing this whole time.

>>14024945
>This is literally the only place on the internet ive seen anyone complain about it.

Then you must stick to Youtube comments and animesuki. Casuals love it. Veteran fans complain about it

>>14024981
It liberates the world from a vampire conspiracy. The tagline is "expose the truth," not "free the space japs."

And again you're making the mistake of assuming that locations outside of the conflicting groups are always relevant. That's like expecting Gasaraki to talk about what's going on in Antarctica because grain economics is a world issue.

>>14025003
Anon, you're already a mememan.

WOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>14025003
You're imagining things.

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>>14024567
>AZ will be remembered

>>14025011
Man I don't even read into Tomino this much. This anon is thinking too hard. Even if he were right then it was still a terrible way to go about it.

>>14024850
The cocks you mean that gay fgt

>>14025032
It's like TPP all over again, the good guys only look good because of perspective. When you give an objective look at their actions you see the rotten duplicity of their nature laid bare for all to see.

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>>14024994
Oh boy that sure sounds familiar.

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>>14024808

>>14025025
I mean on 4chan not in real life.

>>14025065
MARKER PLACED.

>>14025011
I mean, to me it's fairly obvious when Mika goes on a rampage and triumphant music starts playing while blood sprays everywhere and half of Tekkadan is uneasy. For 20 odd episodes you associate this music with our protags winning but narratively speaking, they are not doing what you would consider remotely heroic. It's definitely done on purpose.

>>14025014
When is Anime Suki going belly up?

>>14025015
It's not about plot relevancy, it's about atmosphere and world-building. If you're trying to convey a global conflict, you need to acknowledge that the world is out there. Even a, "We've lost contact, we're on our own," will suffice for many shows.

Think about Roland Emmerich films. Schlocky as they are, there is no question that whatever the characters are dealing with is global in scale. He does it in the most obvious way possible (world monuments on fire!), but you can also do things like in Blue Sub Six (fighters coming in from all over the world!) or even Men in Black (which wasn't a global conflict, but which at least gave us a sense of the stakes by showing the attack ships in orbit).

The only thing is that you have to do it several times in a longer series. Or else, you get a situation like AZ where the landing castles are shown all across the world and then the only people who have any effect on anything is the Deucalion and it's crew.

>>14025063
I am tempted to dump this into the /m/ booru.

>>14025077
Whenever enough people give it a healthy red rating on web of trust so newcomers aren't bullied and framed.

>>14025080
/m/ has a booru?

>>14024945
Saying "its good" over and over won't make it true either.

>>14025078
It's not a global conflict in Valvrave's case. Well, not entirely.

The conspiracy is far reaching, but popping the lid on it didn't require scouring the whole world, and learning of what happens next is all a story for another time.

Think of it like Captain America: Winter Soldier. You globetrotted a bit, but the villain faction is right there in a single locale and your objective is to expose their bullshit to the world. You didn't need to know there were still other acting heads of HYDRA besides Pierce, or that there's a place called Sokovia that's going to be real important in the next MCU film, or what targets the INSIGHT algorithm would have for threats outside of East Coast America, that stuff is fluff for another story, another time.

>>14025101
http://ryusei.booru.org/

>>14024746
Our only hope is SRW. A teamup of IBO and Getter Robo.

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>>14024240
>wasted potential

>>14025105
But Dorssia was in the JIOR colonies. All of them. Why didn't we see it?

>>14025102
nope, the gunpla sales and the overwhelming support for the show, everywhere but /m/, is what indicates it's good.

It also indicates that either /m/ has lost touch or that it has a few diehard users that are pushing an agenda.

>>14025129
You have the gunpla sales numbers? Do post them. Also I'm sure SEED must be an excellent show aswell following your train of thought.

>>14025124
We saw the invasion of the JIOR sphere. We saw them occupy for a few episodes. We saw the kids' reaction plan take the shape of "why don't we take this module, and push it somewhere else."

Really, at the point the sphere was seized, JIOR as it once was was dead. We didn't entirely care about JIOR as a whole, just their successor state of New JIOR.

>>14025134
I hated SEED, but I'll say some of the robot designs looked worth buying gunpla for.

>>14025134
He just has Derringer saying gunpla is selling well. That's it.

>>14025156
So did I, the Justice and Infinite Justice are my favorite Gundams. Popularity doesnt make for a well written plot however.

>>14025160
I know he has nothing but Derringer because I had nothing but Derringer, we always have nothing but Derringer. He's our Derringer and I love him.

>>14024945
>Its good. I've been glued to it week to week.
Funny, I was watching a few different animes around the same time I was watching IBO, week to week.

So why did I only drop IBO? It felt like such a chore just to sit through it after a while, I ended up just looking forward to hearing the ED start.

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>>14025129
>nope, the gunpla sales and the overwhelming support for the show, everywhere but /m/, is what indicates it's good.

>>14025170
>Popularity doesnt make for a well written plot however.

funny how /m/ flips between "theres no plot, just action' and 'theres no action, just plot' depending on what the last episode had.

The MAJORITY of people are going to continue enjoying the show, no matter what the MINORITY on /m/ have to say about it.

>>14025185
>"theres no plot, just action'
When the fuck had anyone said that about IBO?

>and 'theres no action, just plot'
Exposition isn't plot, it's exposition.

>>14025185
>theres no plot, just action
Now THAT'S funny. 4/10 for the attempt.

>>14025182
>posts data that has the exact same ratings roll off as every other TV show in existence.

great job anon. do you even statistics?

>>14025122
g-reco is such shit

>>14025185
>The MAJORITY of people

Yeah, that 1.2% Japanese viewer majority sure do matter.

>>14025194
>Exposition isn't plot, it's exposition.

You're not even trying now. anime driven by exposition is the most well known trope of the genre. there are anime where the literally the only things said are exposition.

IBO on the other hand focused on character development and a character driven plot, obviously something that a few people on /m cant handle.

>>14023684
>Even Gargantia saved itself with Chambers discourse. Even Aldnoah provoked disgust with its ntr.
thanks now I know to never use this shit board again

>>14025213
>you just don't get it!
This sounds so familiar.

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>>14025213
>this entire post

>>14025215
Good riddance.

>>14025215
You'll be back.

>>14025221
>defends Aldnoah and Gargantia
enjoy your /m/eme board /m/oron

>>14025230
I haven't even watched those.

wait IBO is a 25 episode series? I thought it was a 26.

>>14025209
>2016
>Thinking TV ratings are an accurate representation of how the Youth market gets content

Nursing home much?

>>14025213
>IBO on the other hand focused on character development

>>14025237
>>14025237
Don't worry Anon, it'll get an S2 when the timeslot opens back up in Fall 2017.

>>14023684

Better indifference with IBO than absolute disappointment with Greco.

>>14025240
>muh streams
So why does the animation budget remain so low?

>>14025240
>Nursing home much?
>Thinking you know how Japanese viewership works
>Not knowing that ratings determine what gets in the primetime slots
>Not knowing that the show that airs after IBO gets over double the ratings

>>14025240
It's not like IBO is a late night series, it's in one of the most sought-after timeslots in all of Nippon. And when ratings are dropping as they are while the show immediately after it shows better ratings, yeah IBO is fucked.

>>14025248
don't they just watch anime online these days?
also whats do they show after ibo

>>14025213
>btw I'm Guts I have a brother, oh hey lmao there he is, what's up nigga, remember all those childhood flashbacks I'm having right now
>hey I'm biscuit, can we see my brother while we're here? Kthx this is my back story in case I didn't mention earlier
>my name is captain birdy, I'll be your tour guide today on the exhibit of Earth-Colony relations
>alright kudelia you dumb bitch it's time to teach you about why orphans have it so hard
>wow thanks for telling me guys, I'll remember and repeat that every time a thought goes through my head, which is every sixth scene where I appear
>oh Fumitan tell me that story about how you cried at a book lol but also your life story, and hurry up about it because you're bleeding out
>did you hear the colony workers on Dort got equal rights to those on Earth?
>hey kids wanna hear about the calamity war

Solid world building right there.

>>14025254
Yugioh Arc V which is surprising considering nips hated the last yugioh IIRC

>>14025246
They forgot to cross the streams.

>>14025254
>don't they just watch anime online these days?

Online viewing is nowhere near as large in Japan as in the west.

>also whats do they show after ibo

Yugioh Arc-V

>>14025254
At those numbers during primetime? Still doesn't explain viewership spike.

YuGiOh Arc V iirc.

>>14025261
Nope. Zexal was loved. Sold tons of cards. 5Ds was disliked. GX and the original were loved.

>>14025155
the real important question:

What the fuck was the deal with the haruto/l-elf baby

>>14025253
Just to expand on this, it airs at 5:00pm on Sundays.

>>14025254
>don't they just watch anime online these days?
Streaming services aren't as big in Japan as they are in America, IIRC. They're growing, but it's more common to just record shows you want to watch.

>>14025259
only one of those examples would fall under world building

>>14025268
I keep fucking forgetting about Zexal, my bad.

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>Season 1 ends with Orga getting a slap in the face by reality because his family is dead and his brother hates him for sacrificing two of his harem
>Season 2 is Orga redeeming himself and finding meaning in life

>>14025271
It's also only selling a few hundred BDs/DVDs over G-Reco. Hell, there was an article on Yaraon about how ratings for episodes 15-20 for IBO were lower than the corresponding G-Reco episodes, and G-Reco aired 2am Tuesday night.

Try explaining to the ANN crowd.

>>14025253
post the ratings rolloff any other shows.

Heres a challenge, find a show and post ratings that remains constant over 25 eps...

...or how about find show statistics of anime where the ratings go up each week.

TV execs are quite aware of viewer decay, and they have an expected rate of decay.

The only people you can fool with the statistics prop posted are people that have never never seen stats before. the fallacy only works once.

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>>14025269
A story for another time!

>>14025281
no they'll do season 2 as this
>Unrelated faction from Venus
>they're junk/part collectors and they found 5 gundam frames in deep space
>this is the reason for their trip to earth
>you find out those 5 gundam frames are the great frames from the calamity wars

>>14025268
Zexal is only loved in Japan.Everywhere else hated Zexal and loved 5Ds.

>>14025286
>TV execs are quite aware of viewer decay, and they have an expected rate of decay.

The previous series that was in IBO's timeslot sometimes appeared in the weekly top 10 ratings with numbers around 4%. Obviously the numbers weren't always there and it also didn't appear in the top 10 during many weeks, but that's still clearly a better performance than IBO's, and we aren't talking about numbers from years ago, but from last year. IBO's rating drop isn't just part of a general "viewer decay" trend, otherwise it'd still appear in the top 10 sometimes.

>season 2
>there's a new enemy each week
>fights tekkadan a little
>eventually inspired to join them because Kudelia is sugoi.

>>14025286
>Heres a challenge, find a show and post ratings that remains constant over 25 eps...
>...or how about find show statistics of anime where the ratings go up each week.

that needs to be posted everytime viewer stats are dumped on /m/, they're so scammy

>>14025290
>L-Elf with a VVV cell
What?

>>14025155
We did, though. That's the whole point. We cared and got jack for our caring.

>>14025314
Fan theory.

>>14025316
Wew lad

>>14025284
>Try explaining to the ANN crowd.
Well /m/ does have a representative

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Going to need a proper strawpoll to tell which /m/ disliked less. G reco or IBO.

To be honest after going back to it I find G reco to be more than serviceable. I'm not sure I can say the same for IBO. It's not TRY bad but it honestly feels like a lot of wasted potential to me.

>>14025281
How is Orga going to redeem himself in the eyes of Naze? He better find some good replacements for Lafter and Azee.

>>14025321
Whatever. If you truly believe that VVV adequately explored it's world and fulfilled the promise of its premise (however small that promise was), I don't know what to say. It's not like we were dealing with an 08th MS type show where the scope is purposely narrow and intimate.

>>14025338
I feel the opposite. IBO might have tried less, but it's a tighter narrative.

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>>14023701
Being this delusional.

>>14025348
It's narrative is a directonless clusterfuck of half baked ideas.

>>14025338
>>14025338
I marathoned G-Reco after avoiding much of the shitflinging. Found it to be just okay but with some messy directing. I understand why people had trouble following it. I mostly just wish it was longer.

IBO isn't awful but I'm not exactly impressed by any of things it does. Kudelia alone kinda drags the show down for me since I come to easily hate magnanimous characters in general. She's just too ignorant and the show handles it in a lazy way.

Both come in as a solid 5/10 for me desu. They're like polar opposites for me but neither are that impressive.

>>14025341
Except by your logic 08th is terrible because it didn't have an episode dedicated to exploring life for a member of the Jupiter Energy Fleet.

VVV is not the worldwide conflict you have mistaken it to be, it is a regional conflict in a cold war standoff. In a conflict between Ukraine and Russia you're the guy who is complaining about not getting enough Crimea and Alaska.

I'm sorry you're too stubborn to consider that your expectations were off course. But whatever, talking to a wall won't change the nature of the wall.

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End game chart.

>>14025370
Kudelia can't be peace princess if she's fully aware of the situation and using child soliders and mob connections to help her through. She would've worked better as the maiden of Economics.

>>14025395
WOOOOOAAAAAAHOOOOAAAAAAAHHH

>>14025402
Peace princess is just a meaningless meme thrown around by people who don't actually know what they're talking about.

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>>14025395
but char is a mask how can he die but live?

>>14025408
It is all part of his vague master plan.
He will stage his death and controll gjalalala horn from the shadows.
Nobody will suspect him, because he is supposedly dead.

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Remember when every Gundam show had a general? Hell, even try had a general. Why doesn't IBO have a traditional /ibo/ like every other gundam show?

>>14025414
because we're lazy.

>>14025414
Remember when /m/ didn't need generals and just talked about what it wanted to talk, redundant threads be damned?

>>14025420
No I dont actually. I came here when AGE was airing.

>>14024808
Everyone was shitting on it even before it's airing.

>>14025366
sounds better than g-reco

>>14025454
Not really. People laughed at Biscuit's name and compared it to Wing and 00 but people loved Orga's look. The biggest complaints it got before airing was that many female characters hadn't been revealed but Okada was interviewed about that because even Japanese fans complained.

>>14023684
I can't really wait for /m/ tears when s2 is confirmed

>>14025402
I'm gonna sound pretty tumblr tier saying this but I legitimately wished this "Maiden of Revolution" came from humbler, more grounded roots. She lived a safe and somewhat lavish life, her entire world view seems spoonfed and no one really challenges her on that, she had a fucking maid assassin hired to kill her since she was a preteen(how long ago did she make this incredible speech jfc?), she's part of a plot by some evil old men to martyr her for their own gain and after just getting a window view for a number of years on what the poor conditions people live in she decides she wants to help but apparently isn't very educated on the way the world works herself and not particularly skilled in anyway. Then that flaw is just used for nothing but trying to make her look moe because she cant cut veggies or doesnt know about kissing. I'm not asking for her to have the origin of a starving filthy orphan like Atra and Mika but they could have dialed it back a bit.

>>14025414
It gets shitposted to death and people are lazy.

>>14025454
The only thing I remember people shitting on is the lack of waist armor on Barbatos and Biscuit's name.

I feel like I wasn't following the story even after watching every episode normally. The fuck are turbines doing? What is the old mafia guy planning? Why does chocolate man's wife is a kid? What is he planning to do? What was the revolution of workers in that port all about?

>>14025340
>Here ahniki, have Kudelia and Atra

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>>14025340
He already had

>>14025635
Man that background looks like ass.

>>14025607
Turbines are there for plot convenience and waifu bait.
Old mafia guy is also there for plot convenience.
>Why does chocolate man's wife is a kid?
It's a joke that Char is always a paedophile. This is just a nod to that, plus a political marriage.

Char's most likely planning to kill off Gaelio in combat and pretend that he and Carta died nobly. Then, using the grief over their deaths he'll use it to politically push his agenda and then through his marriage to Gaelio's sister he has twice the legitimacy. Then he'll probably arrange for daddy to have a little accident and take over control in that area and over the government. Finally, using Tekkadan he'll also have complete control over the rebels too. Hook, line and sinker.

>>14024789

Exactly. This is why one of the cardinal rules of not just /m/ but the entirety of 4chan is that nothing you read here is to be taken completely seriously.

>>14023684
>absolutely fucking nothing has happened,
Jesus, you're a fucking retard. Kill yourself.

>>14025044
Will you stop with the TPP shit, even there you were the good guy, or was stopping a oil spill, refusing to kill or even harm a single child soldier, mine clearing so no one loses their legs and a bunch of other shit the sure work of some evil terrorist?

Can someone post the quality webms?

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>>14026011

>>14025213
>IBO
>character development
Where?

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>>14026011
Not a webm, but...

>>14025487

She's just virtue-signalling. Hence why Fumitan let her get groped by crusty old men.

>>14024567
>AZ will be remembered for being a disaster

/m/ is the only place that thinks AZ was anything less than average at best, just like /m/ is the only place that thinks Gundam Unicorn i anything less than divine scripture.

>>14024650
>The BDs are selling, but not fantastically.

This needs to stop. They are selling fine. It's doing better than most anime titles airing during the same season. People don't seem to realize that even though JP is still notorious for fans forcing themselves to buy merchandise to support a show, this act has been steadily declining over the years. You can got to any Mandrarake and see loads of anime dvds/blu rays from recent years being dumped unceremoniously.

>Who knows, we dont have hard numbers on things that really matter to Banrise like Gunpla and other merchandise.

The fact that they are doing side story IBO merch is proof enough it's doing well. Look at G-Reco, it got absolutely nothing after the show aired.

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>>14026011

>>14026243
>They are selling fine
That's exactly what I said you moron. For a franchise as big as Gundam, IBO not selling even remotely near things like Osomatsu-san, Owarimonogatari or even past Gundams like 00 means it's not selling fantastically. It's not a hit. It's not a big thing. Nowhere did I say that because they're not selling fantastically they're doing poorly.

>>14026269
>it's not outselling the best selling anime franchise of all time so it's a flop!
yeah okay

>>14026279
>so it's a flop
Didn't say that. They're selling fine. Fine = good. Fine =/= flop. Fucking IBOfags.

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Wasn't Lafter supposed to be preggo?
Calling it now, she barely survives but pic related is how the final episode ends.

>>14026304
wut

>>14026264
Say what you what about, but this show, from start to end, seems incredibly cheap and made by lazy people who draw in shoddily way.

I do not pretend Unicorn or any OVA animation level, but come on.

>>14026304
>Lafter was pregnant when she died!
>I'm sorry Aniki!
Naze is shocked and his face turns to fury
>Orga....Lafter and I hadn't had sex in months!
>Akihiro quietly exits the room
>Naze demands the name of the person who knocked up his wife so he can kill them
>Orga has an inkling it's Akihiro but refuses to give up a name
>Naze punches Orga and breaks off all relations with Tekkadan
>Mika eventually kills him and his whole harem

>>14024945
>Hive-mind
>This is literally the only place on the internet ive seen anyone complain about it.

That only says that /m/ is not hive minded since we can actually dislike and discuss things. Meanwhile IBO fags are in Hype trains and has weekly "WOW that was badass" reactions while labeling anyone providing criticism as trolls.

>>14026332
>from start to end, seems incredibly cheap and made by lazy people who draw in shoddily way.
I don't think there's anyone here that'll disagree with you on this. I can't think of any other tv Gundam that had this little effort put into the visuals

>>14026333
Guts not going BERSERK when Lafter was drilled seems to indicate...no..he did not deep dick her.

Which would have been interesting. To have this illicit affair that could have put them all in jeopardy.

And, you know, seeing a gats go berserk on ein would have been a fun watch.
I mean would be interesting seeing someone who has a bit more emotional range then a boring chad, a block of wood, and a kill bot fuck shit up.

>>14025268
>Zexal was loved.
>5Ds is hated
Top fucking kek

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>>14026011
Obligatory.

>>14026485
I think it's time you learn that the opinion on 4chan about anything will always be the opposite of the popular opinion.

IBO is good stop bullying
I just like big chiwanese robot fights

>>14026491
>big chiwanese robot fights
Then why do you like IBO? There are barely any robot fights.

>>14026493
there's a lot of robot fights though

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>>14026332
To be fair IBO does have good animation from time to time though they're far and few between.

>>14026496
You think less than 10 action scenes in a 25 episode action series is a lot?

>>14026497
How is that good? It's fast, sure, but not fluid at all. The bit where they do that quick sword fight is ridiculously choppy.

>>14026496
Yeah NOW, we had to spend almost 10 episodes of nothing

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>Have battle with Carta
>She is caught with no way out
>Next episode she randomly got free
>Is brought back for another fight
>Dies
>Then have to skip a bunch of time the next episode to show a fight has been going on for a while
How was this okayed?

If she was just going to be killed unceremoniously in a similar situation and the same thing of her group tries to do speech and get killed was going to happen again why draw it out?

>>14026067
>/m/ is the only place that thinks AZ was anything less than average at best,
People who say this have never been outside /m/

>>14026532
But anon-kun, obviously /m/ is the last save haven of good taste on the internet. The crystal tower standing amidst the sea of shit.

>>14026067
>just like /m/ is the only place that thinks Gundam Unicorn i anything less than divine scripture.

Wut?

>>14026527
So chocolate can get exposition and they can pretend that he's a master manipulator who's been behind the scenes doing...stuff.

>>14026243
>he fact that they are doing side story IBO merch is proof enough it's doing well. Look at G-Reco, it got absolutely nothing after the show aired.

Not really. AGE also got a side story, and like IBO it was expected to sell exceptionally well. G-Reco, on the other hand, wasn't given anywhere near the same promotion as either IBO or AGE. All sidestories really say is that Bandai expects more out of the shows they're attached to, not the success of the show itself.

>>14026489
I honesty dont see what the problem is. she's a little cutey.

>>14026659
Were the /m cool kids dumping on AGE before it even aired, like they did with IBO?

Did they double down when AGE aired, like they have with IBO?

>>14026527

They had to set up the revenge angle and make the situation more morally ambiguous by making Carta look even more sympathetic.

Anyone else notice how the Gjallarhorn members you're meant to sympathize with are just given the trait of not being a smug cunt obsessed with class and treats people fairly? Is that all that's needed?

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>>14026677
Unlike in real life, it is easy to fall in love with fictional characters and much harder to get pissed off by them.

>>14026677
Class, Gender, Race. That's all there is.

Do you even Classical English literature bro?

>>14026687

Carta was just an annoying shit, but I'm indifferent towards the other two.

>>14026698

What are you on about? I'm saying the simple fact they're not discriminatory isn't enough make a character sympathetic in most cases, which is the main take away from the last flashback we have of Carta's childhood before she dies.

So, the soundtrack has finally appeared on CDJapan.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/LACA-9448

Anyone else notice something missing?

>>14026718
What's missing?

>>14026721
GundamGuy reported that the soundtrack was labelled season 1. Everyone believed him and took it as confirmation IBO was getting a second season.

Nowhere does it say Season 1, not in the title or anywhere on the CD from the looks of it.

>>14026671
Is this guy real?

>>14026671
Uh. Yes. Yes they did.

>>14026671
welcome newfag

>>14025370
>some messy directing
Found the retard

>>14026728
>『機動戦士ガンダム 鉄血のオルフェンズ』サウンドトラック発売! 2015年10月~2016年3月放送の第1期のBGMを中心に収録した2枚組。描き下ろしイラストジャケット。

>2 Disc was recorded at the center of the first phase of the BGM of "Mobile Suit Gundam Orufenzu of Blood and iron" Soundtrack Release! 2015 October to 2016 March broadcast. Illustrations jacket draw down.

Maybe the "第1期", "dai 1-ki" which Google Translate and other sites translate as "First Stage", "First phase", "first term" is what he picked up on. So I wouldn't say it's entirely wrong to think that the product description saying it's the BGM for the first part of the show means that there'll be a second season.

>>14025370
One is diarrhea, the other is constipation
Yet /m/ will continue to tear itself apart arguing which pile of shit smells worse
inb4 some anon comes in literally trying to argue which kind of shit is better

>>14026804
>>14026825
I find it odd after hours of inactivity that post suddenly attracted you two. I don't believe your opinions are genuine but rather constructed to derail the thread further into IBO vs Greco discussion.

>>14025370
>ibo
>5/10
Grectal spotted

>>14026828
>but rather constructed to derail the thread further into IBO vs Greco discussion.
>post after you >>14026829 is exactly that

Huh. Time to abandon thread I guess. IBOfags are so insecure about their show they'll derail threads critical about it with G-Reco falseflagging and shitposting.

>>14026832
Says the whiny faggot that just exposed himself a grectal falseflagger
Further evidence that your the cancer killing /m/

>>14026841
>your

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>>14026846
>triggered

>>14026671

Hell yes. AGE was doomed before it even started because nobody was willing to give it a chance because of the childish look to it.

Granted AGE was shit in the end anyway, so they feel vindicated, but people hated AGE before it even aired.

>>14026859
What a waste of an interesting design and weapon.

Should have been gats machine instead of creating that retarded out of nowhere little brother and gay pirate thing. Really fucked up the idea of cool space pirates in that setting.
Seriously, this is litterally one of the few gundam AU's that could have been served really well by pirates.
I mean, if it came down to tekkadan being backed by shady pirates who are a direct enemy of gjarlhorn and maybe even have a base on the moon or on some random asteroids or space mafia and space felini with an entire ship of candy that no one can ever taste?
Space pirates.
I like delicious brown and the twin tailed girls I mean goddamn. But come on. Space pirates!!!

>>14024953
You feel it too

>>14025414
What is there to discuss with IBO? Try generals were sustainable because of constant speculah about the old cast, shipping wars and waifufposting. IBO is absolutely sterile.

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What an absolute waste.

Last episode, Akihiro better finally do something, he's got the best Gundam design and is actually a cool character, but just sits there.

Shiro better be okay, and maybe Lafter.

Dreadnought Ein better have a satisfying death to give us some pay off for that ridiculous kill spree.

Beardsly McBeard should die in the city and Kudelia gets elected instead of him. So there was some point to her being there.

Orga needs to be put on trial for war crimes.

If Atra dies, riot.

Reading the recent Nagai & Okada interview about IBO. Apparently Nagai thinks Mikazuki and Amuro are same type of protagonist.

I'm not sure if he's serious, but yeah. They also said IBO ended up something like Yakuza fight movie because unlike older people they didn't experience a real war with ideology and doesn't know how to make a show about that.

>>14026921

You know, I initially thought Lafter would be friendly like in that picture. What a missed opportunity to wring drama out of their (potential) death scenes by not expanding on their characters when they had screen time.

>>14026921
your tears are delicious waifu shitter, ein is best character in show now and will shit all over mika.

>>14026925
>Mikazuki and Amuro are same type of protagonist

I hope he's joking.

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I dropped this show at episode 10 due to immense boredom. Has it gotten any better? I'm thinking of marathoning the rest of the show once the last episode airs.

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>>14026932
most boring character in show became best character in one episode

>>14026932
Nope, there's a huge stretch in the show with no mecha or anything happening

>>14026925
This interview is in the April 2016 issue of Cut magazine, btw.

>>14026927
That's what makes me think one of them at least might still be alive, actually. Biscuit and even Corta got last words, at least.

The Lafter/Akihiro baby is a fun idea though, would make a more interesting season two if there was an actual conflict involving Naze instead of him being so static.

>>14026929
The dreadnought is actually a really cool mecha, but EIn's story took three times as long to tell as it should have. Him and Gali Gali being boring as fuck recurring villains until the last few episodes is one of the biggest weaknesses of the show.

>>14026932
>>14026932
Worst boy became best boy in two weeks thanks to human mutilation and sketchy surgical procedures.

>>14026925
One of SEED's producers said that Kira and Amuro were also the same type of protagonist.

>>14026304
>d-d-double kill

>>14026921
>hating based Ein removing weeds

>>14026925
>Apparently Nagai thinks Mikazuki and Amuro are same type of protagonist
Can we have an exact translation? Aside from piloting gendumb they have nothing in common.

>>14026677
>They had to set up the revenge angle
They could have just added Gali into that first battle. He didn't even really have to be there to want to get revenge, he doesn't even need to be involved as a friend dying is motivation

>and make the situation more morally ambiguous by making Carta look even more sympathetic.
How? She had already been defeated once so that whole regain honour angle works . It instead just makes her look supremely incompetent

>>14026957
All Gundam protags are autistic teenagers, so he's not wrong.

>>14026921
>Shiro better be okay, and maybe Lafter.
I would hate this, it would be such a massive ass pull I don't get how anyone could forgive that. The again people defend Carta getting away and the magic jacuzzi

>>14026925
>Apparently Nagai thinks Mikazuki and Amuro are same type of protagonist.
I don't actually think this meant anything, just a hey remember old gundam? Well now in your brain we have put a link between these

>They also said IBO ended up something like Yakuza fight movie because unlike older people they didn't experience a real war with ideology and doesn't know how to make a show about that.
That doesn't even really make sense. Sounds like they just had no idea how to handle the story so threw elements in they thought would be cool, like the whole space yakuza

>>14026967
>They could have just added Gali into that first battle.

I was talking about Carta. Tekkadan had to be shaken up by Biscuit's death and changed in order for it to have maximum impact. In order to paint their actions in a different light.

>It instead just makes her look supremely incompetent

Sure, but the clear aim was to make her more sympathetic by having her manipulated, inserting another flashback, and having her completely dominated.

>>14026957
An unsurprising shock, since SEED was a 'modern-day remake' of 0079.

also not wrong.

>>14023893
>too much focus on the characters
>too little focus on the mech battles.

Welcome to Gundam. I know it's your first time here, but yeah. That's it's thing.


>>14024791
> total war scenario
>Picking series that aren't about Total War
>GSD being the only one that attempts it.

Must be desperate times for Seedfags to want to shit on shows that aren't even Gundam.

>>14024830
>It's a toy commercial therefore it's shit
>Implying mecha isn't fucking toy commercials.

Why are you even here?

>>14024945
>>14025102
You're both wrong. Saying either over and over won't make it true because this is 4chan, where shitposting and causing butthurt is the norm.

>>14025185
That's because /m/ is retarded and doesn't know what it fucking wants other than Donald Trump to be the hero leading the Joes against Cobra the enemy in a Scopedog painted in USA livery.

>>14027018
IBO is shit though.

>>14027018
Oh it's this guy again. Don't you have IBO threads to respond to everyone in on /a/?

>>14026998
>I was talking about Carta
She wanted it anyway for the first failure

>Tekkadan had to be shaken up by Biscuit's death and changed in order for it to have maximum impact.
It would work better though if she died there. She kills biscuit, Mika goes spaz and she gets killed in gruesome way. A break with a lame repeat doesn't make it work better, have it all happen around the event with emotions running high

>having her manipulated, inserting another flashback,
Could have been placed before
>having her completely dominated.
Exactly what did happen before

>>14026932
Kudelia becomes more amazing.

>>14027026
>She wanted it anyway for the first failure
>Could have been placed before

She was fighting prior to regain her lost honor. This time she's additionally getting manipulated into her death.

>>14027026
>It would work better though if she died there.

It wouldn't because it highlights the shift within the group after coming to terms with Biscuit's death, which culminates with exacting revenge on his killer. It wouldn't be the same if she died beforehand.

>Exactly what did happen before

There was absolute no offense at all from her side and was treated as a brutal beating. Completely different mood. Guts shooting the head off one guy is played for comedy before, Mika interrupting later is serious business and fucked up.

>>14027038
>This time she's additionally getting manipulated into her death.
As I said, that could easily be inserted before

> it highlights the shift within the group after coming to terms with Biscuit's death,
No it doesn't, Mika didn't act any different in that battle. No important interaction between other characters and her happens that would do what you said thus she isn't needed. You can't say it culminated when the effect of Biscuit's death hasn't ended or be resolved.

The same concept you are going for of them being on the offensive now (which is what they have always been doing so the idea fails anyway) could easily have been done in the time they decided to skip over as they wasted so much time on Carta

>There was absolute no offense at all from her side and was treated as a brutal beating.
Same thing happening, no saying a joke was made about it doesn't mean it didn't count as both had the same effect of humiliation and a brutal beating especially when Mika nearly crushed her. And even if you are going to try and worm away with this one, cut the joke and change the atmosphere. these episodes could still be very easily squished to one

>>14026921
>Kudelia gets elected instead of him

>citizen of Mars gets elected the Prime Minister of an economic bloc on Earth spanning the entirety of present-day Canada and Russia

This just does not make sense

>>14027093
>citizens of Mars
Where are all you faggots getting this? Do you not know how a parliamentary system works? Kudelia can't be elected.

>>14026957
They pretty much are.

>>14027021
Coming from the same board that said the same things about G-Reco, AGE, Build Fighters, and 00, this statement doesn't really hold a lot of water.

>>14027023
Dunno what you're talking about m8. Never been to /a/.

>>14027115
>Kudelia can't be elected.
That's what I said dipshit. Someone from Mars can't become the leader of a fucking Earth Economic Bloc

>>14027115
He just said it didn't make sense for her to be elected.

>>14027018
>Welcome to Gundam. I know it's your first time here, but yeah. That's it's thing.

It's obviously your first time here.

>Implying mecha isn't fucking toy commercials.
Just because Gundam is largely carried by toy sales doesn't mean the hundreds of other mecha series are as well.

>4chan, where shitposting and causing butthurt is the norm.
>That's because /m/ is retarded and doesn't know what it fucking wants other than Donald Trump to be the hero leading the Joes against Cobra the enemy in a Scopedog painted in USA livery.

Your new is showing.

>>14024276
yeah, i was really fond of the first 2 or 3 episodes but then it began...

>>14027018
>M-MUH SHOW ISN'T SHIT
now WHERE do you think you are faggot?
go and choke in your fucking rage for liking turd

>>14027018
>duh hurr you just no like it because it isn't constant action all the time
0080 is my favorite Gundam, you fucking jackass.

You know, the one that is like 95% everything but robot fights? Oh yeah, you didn't watch it.

>>14024392
>Kotaku
>SAO S1 is the deepest anime ever Kotaku

Think about that.

>>14026489

If she wasn't permaloli due to malnutrition she'd be hands-down the best girl.

>>14026493

This. I actually like IBO as a palate cleanser, the same way I enjoy a sip of water after eating something spicy. For example, I caught up to IBO, then went and finally marathoned the rest of 00 Season 2. To my surprise, I found myself enjoying it, because it felt like a lot was going on in each episode and shit was getting real. So basically, IBO isn't good by itself, it makes other things better.

>>14026717

If you don't think centaur lance gundam is the tightest shit then get the fuck out.

>>14026957

That's horseshit. Amuro never hesitated to drive his beamsaber through a zeek's filthy cockpit.

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>>14027018
>That's because /m/ is retarded and doesn't know what it fucking wants other than Donald Trump to be the hero leading the Joes against Cobra the enemy in a Scopedog painted in USA livery.

Okay, yeah, I'd watch this.

>>14027093

She's very sugoi.

>>14028768
So you're basically saying eating shit first would make eating delicious food later taste good? Gotcha.

>>14026925
>Apparently Nagai thinks Mikazuki and Amuro are same type of protagonist.
Are Nips laughing at him?

>>14029474
I think that's exactly what he's saying. If you eat shit, almost anything you eat afterwards that's not shit will taste better, by virtue of just not being shit.

>>14023684
As expected, the previous episode soured the series for me a bit. This latest episode I reaally wanted Mika to lose badly. I felt like Azee's and Lafter's deaths were on him, and he's the one who should have been on the brunt of that attack.

I still hope he dies an ugly death in the last episode, but I doubt it. The way things are going, Mika is shaping up to actually be the "Jesus" people accuse Kira of being.

"Oh, your straight and forward looking eyes! The eyes of a mass-murdering psychopath! They make my panties cream! Please kill me next, Mikazuki!!"

So, overall, I was really liking the series, but the last few episodes' loss of direction (or maybe it never had direction and now that the stakes are high and the decisions taken one can actually tell) have lowered the main cast to pretty shit status. They don't seem to realize that, so even tho I think it can be done, I doubt they will. Much less with only one episode left. Which means the end will most likely suck.

SIGH

>>14031062
>so even tho I think fixing it can be done, I doubt they will
Fixed that for me.

>>14026717
back to tumblr pls