Rayearth thread

No frogs allowed

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>>13964655
I have no clue what any of this means but I'll fiddle around tomorrow and see what happens. Thanks regardless. Also, did an encode today after fiddling around and it looks slightly better, but barely. 2.7gb for the first episode from a 5.9gb BD raw. Late at the moment. I'll post pics tomorrow and try to get it upload if it's final.

>>13964768
I am a sad frog.

>>13965270
Settings to x264 are best (AFAIK) explained here: http://www.chaneru.com/Roku/HLS/X264_Settings.htm

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In any case, here's what the previous encode looked like.

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And the new one I did last night. The quality is mostly due to my crappy computer since I couldn't let it run that long. Took about 5 hours for the first episode to be like that. But, I'll try it on my brothers computer later on and see how long it'll take to encode at that and possibly a higher setting.

You usually won't notice much encoding difference on a brigt frame like that. The crap appears mostly on darker, low contrast frames. In such scenes, watch for detail or lines in those darker parts getting smeared/artifacty or disappearing. Or areas getting too washed look due to grain/texture disappearing.

Also you didn't post the same frame, so it isn't possible to compare it. If you don't use some special tool, you might need to take more shots and frame-step, before you will be able to catch the proper frame number to compare.

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>>13967934
My bad. Here's the correct frame comparison starting from my old encode, the one I did on the weekend, and finally the BD raw. In any case, it doesn't actually look that much different even at half the bitrate but as you said it tends to look a bit crappy on darker, low contrast frames.

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Here's also a dark frame comparison starting from my weekend encode. Shit gets noticeable here but there is some activity down in the bottom right in the BD raw so that's most likely why it turned out like that after an encode. That, and my settings.

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However, I'd like to test out an encode with this x264 thingymajig. I have no clue where to start and it's command line driven so any pointers on where to first get a hang of it and learn the basics? Unless the settings on this screen can be changed to get a better quality encode.

>>13972126
There's no easy way. You can try MeGUI and its pre-made profiles and get good results. If you're not happy with it you'll have to learn how to use avisynth and manually edit the .avs input file. Personally that's what I do.

The anime character designs were absolute shit. The OVA did a little better making their characters on model but the TV show looked like fucking garbage. They couldn't even get Hikaru's hair color fucking right.

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>>13972170
Hmm. Guess I'll try out my options.

>>13972210
Don't you mean Fuu? The brown hair instead of the blond? Also, while I like the anime designs, they obviously can't compare to the manga designs.

This never made sense to me.

Hikaru goes from standard sword to fancy magical sword.
Umi goes from standard rapier to fancy magical rapier.
Fuu goes from standard bow to fancy magical 2 great sword??

>>13972884
>Fuu goes from standard bow to fancy magical 2 great sword??
That's the unfortunate thing about bows. They tend to be replaced in the end because swords are just preferred. Just think of it like the Samurai, who use two handed weapons and bows.

>>13972884
They decided a great sword would be cooler than a great bow.

>>13972126
Whew, that's a shit option set Handbrake offers there :/
Reference frames are good for anime, I'd use at least 6-8 (maximum is 16 but the gains are low at that point).
Switch adaptive B-frames from fast to the slower setting, whatever it is named (you want badapt=2).
Motion Est. Method should be UMH (uneven multiple hexagon).
Subpixel Motion Est. I suggest 9 or better 10
Motion Est. Range 16 is not bad, but if you can handle the slowdown, you can use 24 for better compression.
switch Trellis to "always" (or what is the slower option called).
Knock the Adaptive Quant Strenght two notches to the left, that should make it use strenght 0.8.

It looks like you can put the raw x264 parameters (see the wiki posted earlier) into the box on the bottom.

I would disable mbtree by inserting: --no-mbtree

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>>13973204
Thanks. Even if I don't understand what any of these options do, I'll try that out and see what happens.

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>>13972867
>Also, while I like the anime designs, they obviously can't compare to the manga designs.
I don't know why they didn't just go with the same art style and studio that did CCS or the same style as the OVA.

And yeah, Fuu's hair was crap too. The whole anime had muted and washed out tone to it that I really hated. Fucking color blind nips.

The thing I disliked the most was that they changed the OT3 palimony ending.

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>>13972867
>>13973695
OVA art

>>13972884
Their first weapons were just random shit borrowed from Presea. Fuu picked a bow at that time because she happens to know how to use one. The new super special magical weapons had to be swords because the Mashins use swords. If you take issue with the fact that Windam has a sword instead of a bow, go complain to CLAMP I guess.

Incidentally, the Saturn game took the liberty of letting Fuu have a bow anyway, to allow for more gameplay variation I suppose.

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>>13973261
Encode will get much slower.

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>>13973695
>I don't know why they didn't just go with the same art style and studio that did CCS or the same style as the OVA.
Because both came out after the original MKR series. Remember?

>changed the OT3 palimony ending
Good. Never liked the manga ending.

>>13973749
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE!

>>13973852
That's kinda a given. Though it depends on how much slower if I'll attempt an encode or not.

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Ah-ha. There is much of an improvement on that dark frame with those new settings from >>13973204 so that's good. However, I think it can be improved a bit more and the actual quality of the encode. Here's what I have at the moment but I'll dump some pics for comparison again as well.

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Notice down in the bottom right isn't as much of a pixelated mess.

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>>13975477
>Shitting on best end
Shit taste anon. They're incredibly happy together.

>>13976998
"They" who?

>>13977011 These three >>13973695. The three of them are completely in love with eachother.

>>13977197
No they're not. Hikaru loves them just like she loves Umi and Fuu and everyone else, that was the whole point of the ending. She said she'd marry both of them, but it was obviously in an innocent and childish way. The ending literally wouldn't have worked if she were in love.

She basically friendzoned them both. In fact, she friendzoned everyone in Cephiro, whether they liked it or not.

>>13976555
thank you anon for your hardwork

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>>13977315
Well, that depends on whether I get these settings right or not, or if you guys here think what I have at the moment >>13976602 >>13976615 >>13976633 is good enough.

I really don't want to encode it all if it'll not be very good, but that also depends if anyone else will even consider encoding the raw BD in future.

>>13976998
I know, but an ending like that isn't very interesting. There's no friction or anything left for anything further. It's like if they had a portal into Narnia that they could use at any time to pop in for a chat and not only "when they're needed" to save the world or something. I know it "ended" but the manga was rushed and it just didn't feel complete. More had to happen.

>>13964655
Anime pirates care more about anime than the people who make it.

Superior products for free!

>>13979364
Sometimes. Very often, encoders have shit taste with filtering and produce absolute and outrageous crap. Or just don't care the least bit and keep shitting out mass encodes for epeen, disregarding that things look bad.

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>>13980261
I hate filters. What people or at least I want is just a direct dump from the BD without any edits whatsoever. That's what my version if I do the entire thing will be, unlike pic related.

>>13979364
That's because there's no profit to be had. Funimation didn't oversaturate the colors and chop 40% off the picture in the DBZ blu-rays because they thought that was the proper way to experience the show, they did it because the average person prefers that to film grain and black bars on the side of the screen.

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Okay, just finished encoding the first episode with the settings I have now and it took about 5-6 hours which is the max time I'm waiting for an encode so this'll most likely be the best you'll get from me. Anyhow, I think I'll slap it together and try to get it uploaded in the coming days as a test to see what you guys think and if it'll be worthwhile to encode it the series. Pictures aren't the best way to demonstrate the quality.

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Also seems the dark area doesn't look as bad with the full episode encoded anymore. The only thing left is that if this is a good enough encode to shove on the net for you guys to watch.

>>13980801
you could ask RX782 for some good standard settings.
>>13953925

>>13980801
Yeah, dark parts are where you usually see the difference between a starved and a better-tier encode.

>>13980796
I want to marry Umi.

>>13980801
Chiming in here since I've been summoned. I have no idea if you think this is something that should be done, but a number of the shots in this thread have some pretty weak black levels.

Consider bring down the levels in AVISynth.

Such things are a bit tricky for beginners to do right, though (IMHO).

>>13983938
Nope. No idea. First time jumping into encoding to be honest. Are there any quick pointers you could give me? Or anything in >>13976555 (the pic) that could improve dark areas or general quality? No clue what the fuck any of this really does.

>>13982800
Don't make me post the frog. I'm warning you now.

>>13984023
Well, 10bit helps dark areas the most, imo, but a solid 8bit encode should be able to do it.

Honestly, if you want to be minimal about it and have time, just use -preset veryslow, and you'll get 95% there. The x264 preset system is very good and if you don't know what you're doing, you're usually wasting your time.

That said, DEFINITELY use SubMe (subpixel motion est) 10, and no lower than 9 if you're trying to get it out a bit faster. Trellis 2 ("always") is also beneficial, but it's actually required by using subME 10. You want to bump up the ME range to 24, but more than 36 is overkill, in my opinion.

As for refs, some people insist on maxing out refs to 16, but I personally find it useless on cel anime. It makes sense for digital because the frames are identical and static, but 8-10 refs are probably adequate and usually what I use anyway. B-frames I wouldn't exceed past 5 if using mode 2 (optimal). There was an old methodology I followed with mode 1, where maxing out B-frames supposedly increased quality. I'm not mathematically inclined enough to understand *why* that advice was suggested to me (likely on Doom9 somewhere), but mode 2 is far superior, so stick with it. It's also a lot slower, unfortunately.

You're not encoding for hardware devices, so you don't need strict B-pyramid. No-dct-decimate is barely an issue, but I suppose in 8bit, there's a case to be made that DCT decimation *could* be more noticeable given the smaller range of quantization values, but I've never compared it to actually know.

Currently at episode 3. Please tell me Mokona shuts the fuck up, I have never been a fan of mascot characters, they tend to be obnoxious and a waste of space.

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>>13982800

back off, sir.

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My upload speed is terrible but I'll try to get that 1st episode encode uploaded soon. I'll create a torrent after but I'd like people to help with seeding.

>>13986173
Thanks. However, I'm unfortunately at my limit for encoding time. 6-7 hours is as long as I can wait but the encode is decent enough. Thanks, anyhow.

>>13989577
Unfortunately, no. Prepare for more puu puu puu.

>>13989625
I'll just leave this here.

>>13990454
I wish this forced meme would die already.

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>>13990504
What's wrong, don't like frogs?

>>13989625
A BEST
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>>13990923
Think I'll just leave this here.

>>13990504
It's just one guy forcing the meme though, rather poorly at that. I also have a suspicion that he's the guy who likes to post the cold lady panel from Devilman Lady.

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Stop lewding Umi

>>13992715
>tfw I self-insert as the White-Haired Man

>>13993450
No, she's the best.

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>>13993084
Drat. I've been had. Yeah, same guy. Just like to post both pics and such. Wouldn't say I'm trying to meme 'em.

>>13993582
That guy doesn't do the fucking if I remember correctly.

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Anyhow, got the first episode uploaded to mega. I'll create a torrent tomorrow but I expect people to help seed as my upload is fucking terrible. Under 150kb. Got subs and dub on that first episode but it's just a test to see if it's a good enough encode for you guys. Let me know what you think.

https://mega.nz/#F!swkSnKpS!fBjhFtE2LgJWl-13g1vl2w

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>>13964655
boy version when

>>13977305
I thought She said she wanted to marry the two guys and be with everyone forever.

>>13997021
Fuck this manga.

>>13997021
Shut the fuck up.

>>13997021
End yourself.

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>>13998765

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>>13998768

>>13998770
>>13998768
>>13998765
oh man this game

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>>13996005
Remember, guys, encode of the first episode is up. I'll create a torrent soon. Let me know what you think. That'll mean if I do the rest of the series or not so please check it out.

>>13997021
I'd fucking hate that. Maybe as villains but not the main characters. Just no.

>>13998307
>but it was obviously in an innocent and childish way
Didn't you read what he just said? She probably doesn't even comprehend what she said at that part.

>>13998765
>>13998768
>>13998770
Ha. I remember that one. It had Eva characters and a few others.

>>13998897
Kek. Is that actually in the game?

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>>13999018
>Kek. Is that actually in the game?

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>>13999025
Now that's just wrong.

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>>13999041

>>13998897
lol so randum WD

>>13999048
Ha. Got any more?

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>>13999069
>>13999065
fuck wd

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Torrent is up. But remember, I'm not always on for the most part of the day and my upload isn't very good, so you might want to download the first episode through MEGA instead.

https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=793981

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>>13996005
>>13999018

>that first episode

It was beautiful. Bless your heart, dude.

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>>14000801
Do you think it's worth spending my time encoding the series at that quality then? I was unsure if the encode was good enough, but if you liked it and want more then I wouldn't mind.

I'd really suggest using crf encoding, that way you won't have fluctuations in quality between the individual episodes. Props for using 15 megabits though!

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>>14003977
Just noticed that when I encoded the 2nd episode there now. But, what do you mean by crf encoding? You mean that 20 notches at default thing?

>>14004189
Nope it is different rate control mode (bit allocation).

Basically, crf aims to reach certain quality based on a number you give it, for example --crf 17 (it can be fractional too, the lower, the higer quality you will get). It is basically like when you encode vorbis or mp3 with vbr and give the encoder a quality number. It won't try to hit exact size like two pass, but will use as much bits as it thinks the source needs. That way, easier-to-compress episodes will end up smaller, while hader-to-compress episodes will get more bits to keep them looking good. Basically the encoder maintains a set level of quality and just throws bits as it sees fit, instead of having hard target set by the bitrate parameter. This is universally considered the superior way to do it.

I'm sure handrake has to support this too - I think it is the mode it calls it constant quality (while x264 calls it constant ratefactor). Try setting it to crf 17 (guess). If your test file ends up larger than you intended (say you try the first episode and expect roughly 15kbits), you have to increase the numebr a bit - 17.5, 18, etc.
If it undershoots and you want to splurge more, decrease the value.

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>>13999074
>fuck wd

You know what?

Fuck you. Fuck you and your spoiled Atlus Xseed ass.

Fuck you and your crunchy roll and your Horriblesubs and you're bit torrents.

You're stupid weeb ass doesn't get how lucky you are to even get half the shit you do. Do you have any idea how hard a sell these games where in the US back in the Saturn and PS1 days? No you don't.

Im not gonna defend Ireland but they where taking huge risks with these games and we where lucky to get them at all.

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>>14004352
Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. I'm not very knowledgeable about these sort of things, you see.

>>14004404
What's Ireland got to do with anything? Please explain.

>>14004834
>What's Ireland got to do with anything?

Victor Ireland was the president of the company who now runs Gaijin works. All the delays and overpriced grabbies where on his head.

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>>14000981

I am (admittedly) ignorant in the ways of encoding, but my untrained eye found it to be perfect. I'd love to see more, when/if you have the time.

Thanks again.

>>13997021
FUCK NO DELETE THIS FROM MY HEAD

>>14004404
>dur hur us
No, fuck you, American. You stupid cunts have shit fanbases based on shit translations and are fucking cancer. WD was a bunch of fucktards who filled decent games with retarded fart and condom jokes, and dubbed over Midorikawa Hikaru and Inoue Kikuko and Hidaka Noriko and Yokoyama Chisa with the talented and star-studded cast of Victor Ireland and his wife and their neighbour and that guy who was behind them in line at the supermarket.

And Atlus and Xseed are just as bad so go fuck yourself.

>>14004404
>in the US
>we

In the US

You

>>14008468
Probably not, there is no such thing as perfect, but I didn't have the source to compare to and just watched it complatently. More please!

>>13980426
Oh yeah because companies have to make money so much anime is just lost forever.

I sometimes see people here on /m/ or /a shit on pirates but thanks to piracy every day someone new can watch an old show whose DVDs or blurays sold out years ago.

>>14004404
Luckily I didn't get into anime until broadband was available. I have never in my life watched a non Japanese dub.

Maybe torrents did spoil me?

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The dark frames in the 2nd episode don't look that bad in motion. Still images, not so much. But, it should suffice.

>>14008468
Thanks. That's good to hear. Also, I have the 2nd episode done and ready but I'm currently uploading it to MEGA first. Should have that ready sometime tomorrow. Don't want people to wait 7 days for it to finish through torrent.

>>14010718
Do you want me to do some more comparisons between the encode and the actual BD?

>>14010805
>Do you want me to do some more comparisons between the encode and the actual BD?

If you want, you can, but not really demanding anything. They are mainly for the encoder so that he is aware if/how much he's loosing details or grain and like that. I was satisfied watching, as said. My eyes got bad anyway, since my encoding heyday.

>>14010759
Perhaps, but it's still for the best.

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>>14008581
>>14008547
>Pal fags and weebs saying anything to anyone

>>14011568
>using weeb to deride someone
>om 4chan
>on /m/
>while he posts anime

Can you try to not make me laugh so hard anon? It hurts.

>>14011611

that just makes it all the more of an insult when other autists and weebs are calling you out

>>14011568
Second anon isn't wrong, though.

>>14011625

How?

>>13998897
>>13999025
>>13999048
>>13999074
You know, my first exposure to Rayearth was the SNES game, and I've always kind of been glad for that for various reasons. Shit like this only makes me that much happier it wasn't the Saturn version.

>>14011638

because it has to be explained to you.

>>13998897
>>13999048
>>13999074
Translation tomfoolery aside, that game was really weird. There were a lot of random ass mini quests and shit you had to get, and a lot of the locations didn't look or feel like Cephiro at all. Some characters that were supposed to live end up dead. At first all the FMV cutscenes are lifted straight from the anime, but towards the end there are some that are original and actually look better than the corresponding scenes in the show. Graphics are beautiful and gameplay is mostly okay, but gets really shitty when you finally get the Mashins and it basically turns into an overhead spaceship shooter boss fight.

The SNES game may be a grindy old school RPG, but I'd say it's a lot more satisfactory for fans of the series due to how faithful it is.

Seems like the BD set is getting a lot of attention lately.

I encoded all episodes from my own BDs about half a year ago but never got further than episode 15 with the TS.

They are 720p with some degraining (because holy shit it was way too much, especially in motion), but it didn't affect the lineart or blur anything. A small bit of artifacting on gradients, but nothing noticeable during motion and is still better than the ugly blocking from the grain. Around 400mb per episode on average.

I uploaded some of it to MEGA if anyone is interested.

https://mega.nz/#fm/asEWxDwa

>>14012351
Ups wrong link

https://mega.nz/#F!Cg9TUIwR!HpxfniVnypKIuEXyGCIAog

400 megs is way too low for cel animation IMHO, I wouldn't want to go that low even with DVD sources (personally speaking).

>>14012368
Try giving it a look. I can't give you a diffpics comparison right now since I'm not at my desktop where I have the transport streams, but they look pretty much exactly the same with the exception being the excessive grain. Remember it's 720p, and MKR is not chock full of animation.

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>>14010990
FYI, I am the encoder. Anyhow, I'll do a few comparisons for the 2nd episode tomorrow.

>>14011782
Did they just add those silly lines in the game? Reminds me too much of recent video game translations.

>>14012360
Neato file size but I always prefer my anime when available at 1080p and without filters. Especially older anime. Grain is a natural part of the film and needs to be retained when put to BD. Hence why there's so much of it. Anyhow, your encode reminds me of the remastered sets. But in a good way. I'm sure people who need to save space will prefer it, but I think I'll stick to 2.7gb odd an episode thank you very much.

>>14012414
I don't mind grain, in fact i like it, but MKR has a ton of shitty noise as a result of poor compression. At least the Japanese BDs do. The grain on MKR is not entirely natural. It looks bearable in the transport stream, but when you encode it, it turns into blocky artifacts everywhere, as seen in some of your screenshots. I doubt anyone is going to defend the shit show that was Space Battleship Yamato's grain either.

I'd say around 1gb, 1.5gb tops, for a 1080p should be reasonable. You're not gonna get any more out of it after that point. The only reason I chose to do 720p only was because I didn't want to spend 20h encoding every episode.

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>>14012459
What? SBY's BD was amazing. It was great. It looked perfect. I didn't find anything wrong with it at all. Fuck you. But, with all the grain in MKR, the file size unfortunately has to be that large to attempt to retain it at half the bitrate, so obviously there's going to be a drop in quality from the actual BD. Anyhow, the 2nd episode came out better quality than the first... for some reason. And 1-2gb is too small for a BD encode, I think.

>>14012379
I'm an encoder, I do have some experience. And that is generally that people underestimate teh inevitable losses.

>>14012414
>I always prefer my anime when available at 1080p and without filters. Especially older anime. Grain is a natural part of the film and needs to be retained when put to BD.
Exactly. Although even at 720p I would prefer unsmoothed rips.

2nd episode is up. I'll create a torrent for it later on and do a few comparisons. Let me know what you think.

https://mega.nz/#F!01FHCRjL!UVBoumbLGH4wKrwwF-STfw

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>no majin kits/figures wathever ever
oh well, at least the prize figures aren't so bad

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>>14014569
Thanks man for all your hard work.

>>14014625
>no 1/100 Rayearth kit
Feelsbadman.webm

>>14014625
hey, I do have these, they are pretty nice and are quite cheap
its probably the only good Rayearth merchandise we will ever get, unles Clamp goes back and also ruins it too

>>14011726
You aren't making any sense, though I suppose that's to be expected from an idiot.

>>14014569
Thanks for the rips. Such a cute anime.

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Torrent for the 2nd ep is up. I'll be seeding for it tomorrow, but use the MEGA link meanwhile.

https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=795243

>>14014625
>>14014650
The girls are getting figma

>>13998765
>>13998768
>>13998770
Oh wow my childhood... uh, I mean my young adulthood, of course I didn't play this lewd game when I was underage or anything!

>>14011782
Saturn Rayearth was kill'em all Tomino mode. Also random out of nowhere Lafarga x Hikaru shipping (unless that was added in the localization along with all the lol poop jokes)

>>14004404
On the bright side, their shmup localizations didn't leave much room for jokes at all, since they were generally stone-dead serious (especially Taito's Ray series). Though it is ironic that what would have been their next project (the Goemon game for PS2, which would have benefitted from having jokes) got cancelled.

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>>14018951
>Also random out of nowhere Lafarga x Hikaru shipping
Honestly that's something I could potentially get behind as Lafarga is easily the coolest and least faggy male in the series. Also, the episode where Zagato sends him to fight the girls was one of the first I randomly caught on TV back in the day and it quickly showed me that the show can be awesome. Hikaru goes all honorable mode "he can't use magic so I won't either" and they 1v1 with swords and she gets her face all bloody and shit and I'm like "damn, I thought this was supposed to be some Sailor Moon bullshit, guess not".
Anyway Hikaru is better off unattached and Lafarga eventually gets awarded a hot brown waifu, so that's fine.

>>13992715
what is this

>>14010759
Kill yourself.

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>>14019310
Porn obviously.

>>14018951
>Also random out of nowhere Lafarga x Hikaru shipping
Care to elaborate?

>>14019422
I don't remember the details; it didn't go very far in any case because Lafarga dies in the Saturn game.