>Mirage in the VF-31C Can't deny she'll lose the

(Are we starting the muh bowl arguments this early?)

What is the big deal about her being in the 31C? I don't know anything about Valkyries

>>13851545
From the last thread >>13850029

It's one step away from scrub status. Even Hayate has a J variant like Hikaru did.

MID SEASON UPGRADE

>>13851567
Okay but why does that mean she'll lose the bowl

Everybody's name so far revealed has had some kind of reference to planes or flight

>>13851583
she has the low end machine that can't possibly compete

>>13851505
>Mirage: has a sick VF
>Freyja: doesn't have a sick VF
Now you tell me who will lose the bowl

>>13851598
this isn't gundam. the difference in performance between variants of the same model is not that huge.

>>13851567

31C has 2 head lasers while the 1J only has one therefore its shit

checkmate atheists

>>13851624
you seem to be assuming that we're talking about a battle

>>13851566
>implying
The VF-31 is the flagship of the show but it still comes in several variants based on performance and specs.

The flagship of Delta is the VF-31J while the flagship of Frontier was the VF-25F. SDFM was VF-1J.

>>13851646

what else are you talking about? because

>man her fighter has a letter of the alphabet appended to it that is not J or S, she must be shit

is pure retardation

>>13851654
There's a reason commanders are given S variants. She's not good enough for one. She's not even good enough for the F which is usually the assault type.

>>13851567
VF-31A a best.

Uh wait a minute, I thought we were talking about losing the bowl as in romance. We're talking about planes?

>>13851668
>There's a reason commanders are given S variants. She's not good enough for one.
Also she's not the commander

>>13851672
VF-31A a shit. They didn't even bother to change the wings from the YF-30! Pathetic!

>>13851674
Damn it, anon, pull yourself together and pay attention!
Mirage loses the bowl because she has a variable fighter that is just a hair off the base model! Everyone else has role specific valkyries and she gets the simple one.

How can she even win the bowl if she can't even keep up in combat? Face it, she lost.

>>13851676
>Also she's not the commander
Why do you think that is? You can't be making the mistake of thinking they'd make her a commander with her skills, would you? Because you have to prove yourself before you get your S variant and she doesn't seem to be leader material or good enough.

>>13851654
why do you think we're referring to >bowl?

>>13851629

yeah not really sure why people are assuming its the worst when it has more head lasers than any other variant on delta besides the 1S, and they have always been indicative of someone with higher rank

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>>13851692
>Why do you think that is?
Well I'd guess it's because this guy is since he's the oldest and his designation is Major

>>13851688
>They didn't even bother to change the wings from the YF-30!
That's a good thing!

>>13851688
>How can she even win the bowl if she can't even keep up in combat? Face it, she lost.
How does her not being the best pilot mean she lost the triangle already?

>>13851694
>she has the low end machine

????

>she has a variant of a grunt vf therefore she will lose
>meanwhile the other grill doesn't even have one

I don't understand the logic of shippingfags desu

>>13851505
man, I read this a lose her bowels

>>13851722
I'm honestly not 100% sure we're talking about romantic pairings anymore

>>13851762

yf-19 is my favorite valk, so fo swept wing is my thang, but the 31a is pretty sex.

So only Arad and Messers are ace pilots since they have personal emblems.

>>13851717
>VF-31S > VF-31F > VF-31J > VF-31E = VF-31C > VF-31A

>>13851505
Elf girl can never win in anime. Non-humans suck in general because they're gaijin projections.

>>13851881
>Elf girl can never win in anime
Banner of the Stars

>>13851921
Okay, almost never.

>>13852113
Record of Lodoss War

Also, you know, Millia

Freya is the bowl.

Mirage will win and Hayate will lose.

>>13851688
>Mirage loses the bowl because she has a variable fighter that is just a hair off the base model!
Bullshit. That has absolutely nothing to do with it. Max used the base model VF-1A through most of the show but ended up with the best girl the series.

>Everyone else has role specific valkyries and she gets the simple one.
No they're not. Messer's valkyrie is no different in role as Arad's or Mirage's. Only Chuck's has the specific role of surveillance. The S variant is merely a distinction as the squadron leader.

>How can she even win the bowl if she can't even keep up in combat? Face it, she lost.
The fuck are you talking about? She does can keep up in combat as she wasn't shot down just like the rest of Delta squadron.

why the FUCK is the planet garrison using VF-171s when there are VF-30s readily available? Is delta apart of SMS or something?

>>13852362
>>13852362

they can't even say its to differentiate between hero unit and whatnot since 1A has completely different wing for no reason

>>13852362
It's a backwater garrison in the middle of nowhere, they're not going to have state of the art tech like the Walkure can afford.

>>13852362
Why are you surprised? In Dynamite 7 the Zolan forces were using VF-5000s mainly when the VF-19 existed.

>>13852475
>VF-5000
To be fair, almost no one got a VF-19. Those not named Isamu, got really watered down versions. Because the YF-19 tended to kill test pilots, from being difficult to fly.

>>13852362
Because cost.

Backwater planets don't generally get the high end shit unless necessary. Give them a while to develop their industry and stuff because they get the more expensive shit.

>>13852655
>Give them a while to develop their industry and stuff before they get the more expensive shit.
Shit. I need to proofread

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>>13852626
But that's wrong. The VF-19kai and VF-19F/S models had improved performance compared to the YF-19.

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>>13851762
I've been out of the loop, who pilots this beauty?

>>13852814
Nobody so far. It's just a grunt.

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>>13852840
Even better.

>>13852661
The prototype(and VF-19A) have better performance than F variant only under a good pilot.

The F variant has a more controllable airframe for not so skilled pilots and compensates by having improved avionics or something, iirc.

>>13851567
>It's one step away from scrub status. Even Hayate has a J variant like Hikaru did.
Actually, it is a GOOD thing that we have a major named character flying a C variant. That means it would get to do something other than exploding, and it would sell better as an independent toy.

>>13853203
I want this in my room.

>>13852362
It was just mass produced. It ISN'T widely available.

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>>13852840
>Mirage Jenius
>a grunt

>>13853610
Mirage pilots 31C, not A

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>>13852814
>>13852840
>>13853610
>Leon Sakaki
>a grunt

>>13851672
Agreed but I still prefer Chronos considering machines beyond Delta. That and armored Messiah.

>>13851812
That sounds about right. Chuck is in more of a support role, and Mirage is the rookie. Arad and Messer are the aces so far.

>>13852840

that VF clearly belongs to alpha squad, anon

>>13853865
Being an ace isn't a role but a status. Only Chuck's valkyrie has an actual role as it serves as surveillance.

>>13853895
>Only Chuck's valkyrie has an actual role
Every VF fills the rolee of providing air/space superiorty

>>13853895
Arad's role is a commander as S is the commander variant.

Messer's role is assault as F is usually an attacker variant.

C is usually a slight variation on the A variant with updated Avionics (and wings in the case of the VF-31C).

Actual tuning and performance-wise it should be >>13851816

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>>13851505
I want a Mirage pillow to hug. She's so cute!

>>13853984
I only really want to nibble on her ear.

>>13853984
I am happy!

Happy about elves!

>>13853860
>Prophecy -> Messiah
>Chronos -> Seigfried
???

>>13853955
We don't even have any read outs that specify yet which variant is better than the others performance-wise. The only variant that's a given is S since they are always given to squadron commanders, Even then the difference isn't that significant. And if the VF-31J has superior performance it doesn't make sense to give it to Hayate who'll be the newbie in the team.

>>13854026
It's easy to infer the performance of specific variants from the several generations of master files we've gotten. This isn't dowsing or fortune telling, we know these variants' roles and performances just from the letter alone.

There's only one exception to that rule and that's the VF-31E. The VF-25E was somewhere between the F and S performance wise and was supposed to use the Armored Pack as standard.

Recon/AWACS craft are usually designated VE or RVF if they have a built in radar and a massively improved Avionics suite. But all that really tells us about the VF-31E is that it's either meant to only use the radome container pod or that Chuck was using it specifically because the mission dictated it instead of a different container.

What would it take for Hayate to not be as braindead as Hikaru or wishy-washy as Alto and still have a triangle?

>>13851672
I still like Chronos more but agree that A is best 31 variant.
>>13851762
It's the position of vertical stabilizers. It works for VF-4 because of engine placement but here it does not click. Again, Chronos design sits with me better.
>>13851768
It actually works better with forward swept wings - but only if stabiliser were also swept in that direction.
>>13852814
Nobody, preview episode showed only forward swept variants. Probably same as with vf-24

>>13854011
>Evolution>Prophecy/Chronos for me
Damn, I would loved Lucifer with 31a's wings.

>>13854063
It still doesn't change the fact that they would give a better variant to a complete newbie like Hayate. He may seem like a gifted pilot but his rank and seniority doesn't justify it even if he is the MC.

Inb4 Hayate wrecks his non-A-variant VF-31 in the final battle and Delta squad tows a 31A to him after confirming that he ejected

>>13854080
I'm talking about the progression of names not what I like better.

I can see how Prophecy begets Messiah but how does Chronos turn into Seigfried?

>>13854081
>give a better variant to a complete newbie like Hayate
Easy.
He's just good, kind of like how Micheal purposely increased the difficulty of the simulators for Alto because he knows that Alto will steamroll easier enemies.

Or simply, since Delta squadron is supposed to work with Walkure, using the forward swept wing variants would be more uniform. Giving him the 31A that has the delta-wing while everyone else is flying the forward swept wings just makes him stand out for no fucking reason other than "We can't give him a good plane".

The differences between each variant is very minor outside of specialised stuff like RVFs anyway. You give the pilots the A variant and they probably wouldn't even notice the difference in performance unless they normally fly the specialised VFs.
The VF-25F is the more offensive based variant. The main difference with the 25A? It has 2 head lasers as opposed to 1?
The VF-1J's difference with the VF-1A? 2 head lasers?

>>13854114
>how does Chronos turn into Seigfried?
It doesn't.

Siegfried was Leon's callsign.

The 25(And its prototype) and the 27 is the one that really shows the rivalry.
>Prophecy -> Messiah
>Lucifer

>>13854081
Maybe the 31J is the only plane they having sitting around so they have to give it to him, but Hayate is likely going to be broken since it looks like he is the blue pilot of the show as well.

>>13854125
It does. The VF-31 is literally called the Seigfried. We've known this for months, dude.

>>13854114
Ah, sorry.
>>13854125


Basic transformation, missile/canon pod is straight transplant from Chronos plus overall fuselage shape for 31.
>Lucy -> Drakens?

To be fair how can you go higher than Messiah? Overlord?

>>13854185
Valkyrie names don't really follow a pattern. The only exception were the Frontier VFs and those ended in 9 having forward swept wings and a sword name, but the 31 breaks that pattern too.

>>13854081
>>13854126

How do you even know that the J variant is Hayate's Valkyrie?

In most of the Macross series, the main character has a white valkyrie with black and red stripes. Which is the best color scheme.

>>13854119
VF-25F has much improved avionics and targeting systems compared to the VF-25 A too thanks to the triple horizontal sensor bar in its face.

>>13854250
See
>>13851768

Hayate is listed under the 31J.

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>>13854250
Does this answer your question?

>>13853984
I want to sex her

>>13853984
I want to punch her in her dumb space elf face

>>13854276
I'm still not sure on what's going on with the arms, the new pics of Gerwalk (including the new key visual >>13840070) are using new arms, but every Battroid pic is using the arms from the first reveal.

>>13854119
>He's just good, kind of like how Micheal purposely increased the difficulty of the simulators for Alto because he knows that Alto will steamroll easier enemies.
With that logic they should've given a J variant to Max right from the start instead of the A. They always issued the better variants to the higher ranking pilots.

>Giving him the 31A that has the delta-wing while everyone else is flying the forward swept wings just makes him stand out for no fucking reason other than "We can't give him a good plane".
No one's implying that they would give the 31A variant to him. Going by rank and seniority they should give the 31J to either Mirage or Chuck and pass the 31C to Hayate.

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VF-31C has dual head lasers and what looks like a sensor bar

i seriously doubt it is worse than the other variants

>>13854336

Actually they all have dual head lasers

>>13854380


31J doesnt

>>13854380
VF-31J has one and VF-31S has 4 like commander variants usually do.

>>13853984
Imagine her Zentradi instincts activate in bed and she breaks your spine

>>13854416
She's only 1/4 zent so she probably has no zent instincts left

>>13851621
BOOM

>>13853812
Dumb canine mobile-poster.

>>13853812
Leon is the gruntiest of grunts

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Look at this smug motherfucker.
That's the face of someone who knows he's the bowl of a Macross series.

>>13854520
the girl on the right doesn't look too happy about it

>>13854535
She's just too serious about not being the very best like their parents.

>>13854484
We don't know yet if she's blood related to Max and Milia. She might be the daughter of Moaramia Fallyna Jenius who was adopted.

>>13854484
We don't know who her father is so she might be half at worst.

>>13854508
Leon hasn't shown us any spectacular feats of piloting but he was alright. He has to be somewhat good since he was fighting pirates in a fucking VF-0D when they outclassed him by several generations of valkyrie. I liked Rod better though.

>>13854539
>implying Mirage's issue is her piloting skills
We know very little about her other than she's part Zentradi and shares Max and Milia's last names.

>>13854539
Her grandparents you mean. It's been confirmed she's a third generation.

>>13854604
Citation please anon.

>>13854535
That's Mirage to you, you fucking heathen. God, I bet you're a Freyjafag too.

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>>13854611
http://www.macrossworld.com/speakerpodcast-ep-34-macross-delta-ep-0-89-theatrical-screening/
Fans went to a japanese fanclub event and Kawamori answered that Mirage is third generation Jenius but didn't specify who the parents were.

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Reminder that it's very likely the knights of Wind will sing as well.

Besides pic related, all the voice actors for the knights are known singers, at least character wise. The red-head is even voiced by KENN, a quite popular singer/seiyuu.

>>13855022
Doesn't mean anything. Hikaru is there and he doesn't sing.

>>13855044
Yes because it's a DYRL merch, not a "just singers" chara merch like the other ones

>>13854520

he dresses like that sacred seven faggot.

>>13855055
????

>>13854900
Basara and Emilia

>>13855068
Gamlin/Mylene guaranteed. Mylene lost her bowl even though she was the center. Everyone knows bowl losers have children that compete in a later bowl.

>>13855086
>Gamlin/Mylene guaranteed
Don't make me dream

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>>13855097
So, Mirage can kick battloids?

>>13854322
The arms look exactly the same in both forms in >>13854276, what are you on about?

>>13855086
>>13855097
If it is Mylene she would have been at most 19 when Mirage was born.

>>13855129
No they don't, take a closer look.

>>13855136
Wait I think I see it, you're talking about the guns being in different positions and no blue stripes.

>>13855140
Yeah, also they look a tad bit bigger.

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>>13855140
>>13855142
It looked pretty big here.

>>13855204
This battroid looks like the gerwalk here >>13854276 so I asume these are the more updated models.

>>13855086
Mylene remained undecided till death anon. I know Basara and Gamlin didn't give a fuck

>>13854276
This is just gay.

Same color scheme from Shin in Macross Zero with the double seat VF-0.

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>>13855370
There's a lot more pronounced red and white colors than on Shin's.

Also Blue was the only Sentai color not taken already

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>>13855370
And red/black has been used how many times?

>>13854071
>>13854071

Anybody?

I hope Hayate will be like Rito from To Love Ru.

And all the girls will fall for him.

>>13855467
>Alto
>Wishy-washy
How so?

>>13855467
I don't know what you mean by wishy-washy

>>13855474
No, Basara's the only one who can have a harem

>>13855055
Whatever.

They killed off the goofie friend and sempai in the original Macross
Killed the rival in Plus
Killed the best friend in Frontier
What if they kill Mirage in Delta?

>>13856754
Girls aren't allowed to die in Macross.

>>13856754
They'll kill Kakizaki, I mean Chuck.

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Finally some fucking fanart of Mirage

>>13857434
Not stacked enough. Her tits are way bigger than that in all her official stuff.

>>13857434
Oh shit, Klan should still be alive right?

This meeting must happen

>>13854011
Leon Sakaki is Siegfried-1.

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>>13857434
New art of Kaname too. Poor Reina seems to be the least popular Walkure.

>>13858064
There's only one Reirei I know about ma'am, and I'm pretty sure she doesn't dress in green

>>13857929
But it doesn't make sense thematically. What does Chronos have to do with Seigfried other than being Leon's call sign which is otherwise unrelated?

That's like saying Prophecy -> Skull makes sense because Alto was Skull-4.

>>13858430
Siegfried is also the name of one of the four Der Ring des Nibelungen musical dramas by Wagner. Another is Die Walküre.

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>>13858430
The YF-30 was the prototype design for the VF-31 and the YF-30's test pilot was called Sigefried-1. It's just named after him as a reference to Macross 30.

>>13858430

It's not thematic this time around. Well, not in that sense. Kawamori's rocking the knight and fantasy stuff this time around. But, just a way of honoring the dude who piloted the YF-30, which the VF-31 is derived from. And amping up that the Delta Squadron are gonna be vaguely knight-like heroes in contrast to the Aerial Knights.

>>13854071

>Alto
>wishy-washy

The only time he really wavered was when he and Luca defected to the NUNS forces.

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I'm surprised that nobody posted this already...

>>13859365
Last thread

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>>13859365
I love that art so much.

>>13853513
>That means it would get to do something other than exploding

Yep it will job all day long.

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>Basara's didn't sell out

The fuck

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>>13859414
Don't bully Mirage

>>13858430
Its not supposed to make sense.
They are just names of VFs. The fact that the YF-25 was named Prophecy while the production model was called the Messiah probably was due to Kawamori(or whoever in-universe that names VFs) actually having themes with the names when he felt like it.

Walkure translates to Valkyrie, Siegfried fell in love with Brynhildr, a valkyrie. The theme here should be clear. The fact that its also a nod to the YF-30 is a minor thing.

>>13859424
>the only ones that were sold out were sheryl and ranka
Fucking frontierfags, liking the Seed of Macross

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>>13859497
>buttmad the most recent characters sold out instead of a character that hasn't been in anything since 1996

>>13859518
Fuck off frontierfag, any character is better than your seed-tier shit show.

>>13859497
I was being sarcastic.

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>>13859521
So mad.

>>13859522
>I was only pretending to be retarded
Frontierfags everyone

>>13859537
>le so mad xDDDDD
Nice arguments, do you get them from your shit show?

Why's everyone so salty? Pretty much all the Frontier characters were likable.

Except Mishima.

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>>13859578
>everyone
It's just one faggot. Ignore him.

>>13859424
>Basara's didn't sell out
Too moe

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>>13859605
Shut up faggot.

>>13859556
>I was only pretending to be retarded
>Frontierfags everyone
I was being sarcastic about being mad Basara wasn't being sold out because >>13859518

>>13859424
Too busy listening to his song to buy his merchandise.

>>13858064
If it would make you any happier, Reina is my favorite Walkure.

>>13859496
>Walkure translates to Valkyrie, Siegfried fell in love with Brynhildr, a valkyrie. The theme here should be clear. The fact that its also a nod to the YF-30 is a minor thing.
Also, Siegfried killed a dragon.
>Draken

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>>13859935
I wish I had Rei-Rei art for you.

>>13859424
I want to buy all the Ishtars

>>13852125
Oh boy, THREE EXAMPLES in a subject that has 100s of failures

>>13860667
It's not like elves are all that common anyway

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I'm surprised no one posted Freyja in her uniform yet, since we haven't seen it.

>>13861534
Is that a garage kit?

>>13861948
It might be, I don't think they announced anything about a Freyja figure

>>13861534
>COCK GOES HERE

>>13859365
So, Mikumo is not part of the main triangle... so sad.

>>13861971
Mikumo too OP for the triangle

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>>13861971
>>13861979
she is best girl

>>13861971
We literally already did that last series anyway

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500 yen for these small fighter model kits. Might get one or two.

>>13858064
Damn why are all the delta girls so cute

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>>13862444

>>13862444
Has Kawamori ever made anything without cute girls?

>>13862475
Yeah plus

>>13862511
And SDF.

>>13862533
And 7

>>13862537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MFx8SzHIrg
Wrong

>>13862545
frank what is this

>>13862404
I would like to know what was Kawamori smoking, when he decided that VF-171 will be a grunt.
That thing is mass-produced Nighthawk! Mass-produced Have Blue, if you wish.

>>13862511
>>13862533
>>13862537
Blatant lies up in here

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>>13862793
The Nighthawk was an unstable bomber wasn't it? Doesn't sound that great. At least we saw them do cool stuff a few times.

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>>13862828
>mfw Diamond Force was still best squadron even after all those years

>>13862807
Yeah we forgot to put II in there

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>>13862833
Emerald Force still exists too.

Cutest girl in Plus, that one bitch Isamu was fucking on the side voiced by Megumi Hayashibara, I don't even know her name, who even liked Plus for the characters?

Cutest girl in SDF, obviously Minmay, then all the bridge bunnies, namely the moe-moe one of course, then Misa. Maybe Gloria I guess?

Cutest girl in 7. Sivil, Rex, Gamilin, Emilia, Mylene. In that order

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>>13862869
>Not including Veffidas and Flower Girl

>>13862944
>Veffidas
Hot, not exactly cute

>Flower Girl
Who

>>13862828
They had sixty four of them, and lost only one. Both HBs crashed, but that's what comes with being the experimental plane.

>>13862828
>>13862853

Are Diamond/Emerald Forces supposed to be some wide-spread special-unit fighter doctrine?

>>13862511
Correct.
>>13862533
Wrong.
>>13862537
Dead wrong, no matter your thoughts on Mylene.

>>13862944
>13862444

flower girl should have been sheryl

>>13861971
Good, maybe she'll be a good female character who isn't defined by her interactions with the male lead

>I've become a SJW faggot

Who did this to me

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>>13863102
Plus has a single cute/hot girl in it but nobody remembers her anyway

>>13863147
>>13863147

>that fucking nose

nah

>>13863147
Looks like Isamu in drag, if anything.

>>13863037
and that was over thousands of sorties.

>>13863146
Nobody to blame but yourself, retard.

>>13863147
>that giant nose

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>>13863156
>>13863249
Why are you guys up about the nose? Everybody in Plus had noses like that

>>13863253
Sharon doesn't look as bad.

>>13863253
There you have it
Sharon a cute

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>>13863335
Yeah orange Sharon is pretty cute

>>13862472
I'd fuck everyone of them, even the 14 year old that's supposed to be an actual love interest.

>>13862472
Look at those assholes just casually flipping the V like that.

>>13862851
>II
>Kawamori

>>13862404
Maybe this time they'll make a 1/72 kit of the Nightmare.

>>13864175
Congratulations, you got the joke

>>13862828
Most designs nowadays are aerodynamically unstable since the flight computer is easily capable of performing the minute corrections of control surfaces that allows pilots to fly the plane as if it were a stable design instead of having them perform the fighter jet equivalent of counter steering when the tire alignment in your car is fucked up.

>>13863253
It looks fine on the male characters but the girls in Plus look terrible (except Sharon)

Mirage has dumb ears and an ugly face

>>13864781
Myung and Sharon basically had the same face. They were both great looking.

>the girls in Plus on terrible
You take that back about Excalibur-chan.

>>13865020
We'll fucking fight.

>>13865020
You are the one to speak.

>>13865020
i want to nibble on her years while plowing her from behind

>>13865020

freyjafags, ladies and gents.

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>>13865104
>Myung and Sharon basically had the same face. They were both great looking.
>Myung
>Great looking

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>>13865707
Oh boy is this going to be Frontier all over again?

>>13865726
You mean any show ever with more than one girl aiming for MC?

>>13865726
What is every anime with a love triangle?

I hope Freyja is less of an obvious loser than Ranka at least

>>13864141
The doujins will be fantastic..They will be legendary

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Do you think this will happen?

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>>13851505
>Oh, and Macross thread.

Okay then, I'll ask here rather than make my own thread.

Was there ever any single-engine VF designs?

Or do all designs have two engines because two legs?

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>>13866465
>Was there ever any single-engine VF designs?

The newest one.

>>13866469

Oh, noice, looks like I'm getting into Macross at just the right time then

>>13866469
>>13866472
Not really, it's actually two engines with the feet acting as a single exaust, you can see this in the preview episode where they show its Gerwalk mode

>>13866496
Yeah, but given the VF's need to incorporate a transformation it's about as close as it can get.

>>13866523
No, it's mostly Kawamori not wanting to step out of the confort zone that says that engines = feet.
A single engine could've worked like a backpack.

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>>13866527

>backpack

What, like the He-162?

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>>13866530
I think he means like the YF-21/VF-22.

>>13866530
>>13866532
I didn't meant any of those, but you're still right. I just meant that Kawomori could easily do a single engine VF, it's just that he doesn't because he's playing it safe.

>>13866527
>the confort zone that says that engines = feet.
Isn't that the point so that Gerwalk mode can exist?

In regards to the population of South Ataria relocating into the SDF-1 originally being 58,000, would the reduction to 56,000 be due to the first usage of the transformation sequence and later to 40,000 when Kamjin took advantage of the Daedelus Attack to sneak into the SDF-1 and attack it?

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>>13867183
Sure.

Website updated with expanded information for Walkure. Any nippon speaking friends around to translate?

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>>13855133

Milia is 15 in SDF Macross.

>>13867230
Still waiting for a moonreader to translate the technical details in the VF-31 pamphlet?

>>13867347
Yeah but that was old for a battle veteran Meltrandi at the time

>>13851762
Stealth wings design? Why though? Do they need stealth?

>>13867579
All VFs have stealth. It's just to look cool.

Miragefags constantly calling everyone else freyjafags for not agreeing with them is worse than actual freyjafags

Actually, disregard that, any shipperfag is worse than cancer.

>>13868028
Does stealth works on alien military?

>>13868225
You realize a great deal of that was just joking around right?

When the show actually starts then you might see real sparks flying

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>>13868453
Are you in the wrong thread?

>>13868416
>You realize a great deal of that was just joking around right?
But Mirage > Freyja is actually true tho

>>13868546
>But Mirage > Freyja is actually true tho
Ofcourse its true, Freya is actually a little kid, how is that even competition to an actual woman like Mirage?

>>13868560
Well to be honest Freyja does have her charm, it's just that I prefer Mirage

>>13868560
>Actual woman
She's still just 18. Technically an adult, but let's face it, she's still just a kid.

>>13868586
I don't mean legaly and stuff I mean she looks like a woman while Freya looks like a young kid

>>13868586
Whatever you say, gramps.

>>13868590
She definitely has a sexier body than Ranka's stick figure at least.

>>13868599
True, but still she's literally a just a child so... yeah no competition at all

>>13868560
Because Freyja is cute! Cute!

And she has a real go-getter personality unlike Ranka and not a tsundere cunt like Mylene

>>13868649
>she has a real go-getter personality
So she has autism? nty

>>13868653
No, it just means she knows what she wants to do

>>13868225
>any shipperfag is worse than cancer
Wow, it's like you're not a Macrossfag.

>>13863225
Faggot

>>13863253

It's that mid-90s character design, fucking awful.
Good thing mid-90s mecha design was fucking off the chain.

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>By the time of 7, nobody knows what happened to the Megaroad-1
>By the time of F, nobody knows what happened to the 7th Fleet

If somehow they lost track of an entire Vajra planet by the time of Delta, I will be slightly rustled

>>13870920
It was technically the Protoculture's planet, the Vajra just chased them off of it.

>>13866469
This has no thrust vectoring capabilities.

>>13871140
Yes it does, the thrust still comes out of the feet which can be split and directed any way. Directly in front of the feet are the arms after all, the engines are in the wings.

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>>13871140
It does with ghost boosters.

>>13871952
if i see a hairglow nigger near me i kill it

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So Gundam is for fujoshits and Macross is for faggots?

>>13873918
And mecha is for both.

>>13871159
Left/right vectoring is a unique proposition, or I'm blind and can't see how it's doing the traditional up-down vectoring. Maybe it's 3D vectoring using the ankle joints, that would make sense too.

>>13871952
That's like saying that your aircraft has no fuel stores unless you strap external tanks to it.

It's all about built-in, Anon. Standard features shouldn't be restricted to disposable add-ons.

Megumi Nakajima will be in the next Macross Delta event

Are these all the main line variable fighters the U.N.?

VF-1 Valkyrie
VF-4 Lightning III, VF-5000 Star Mirage
VF-11 Thunderbolt, VF-17 Nightmare
VF-19 Excalibur, VF-22 Sturmvogel II
VF-171 Nightmare Plus

Are VF-17 & VF-22 counted as main fighters or limited productions?

>>13875158
I think the VF-17, VF-19 and VF-22 should be considered limited production.

>>13875158

Isn't the Nightmare a special-ops fighter too?

>>13875180
>>13875193
It's said that "the U.N. Spacy adopted the VF-17 as a second line variable mecha and included squadrons on many of the colonization fleets" but also mentioned being replaced by VF-22 as spec-ops fighter, that's why I'm asking.

Isn't VF-19 a main fighter for winning Project Super Nova AVF in 2041?

>>13875158
There's the VF-14 too.

What does YF stand for?

>>13875368
You Fucktard

>>13875368
It's the Y in prototype, probably related to X for experimental.

>>13875158

VF-1
VF-11
VF-171

have been shown to be grunt mass produced units rest should be considered limited production and in some cases spec ops units

>>13875464
VF-4 replaced VF-1

>>13875516

>have been shown

in a OVA and very little screen time at that

>>13865940
No.

>>13875527
Is it not canon?

>>13866527
So, Sturmvogel/yf-21?

>>13875311
VF-19 replaced VF-11 after Plus right?

>>13875736
And the Invader.

>>13875760

not in large quantities

M7 and probably earth have VF-19s, everyone else im guessing went with 171

>>13875918
Ok, so that makes,

VF-1
VF-4
VF-11
VF-171

4 generations of main fighters.

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>>13876034
http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossplus/vf-5000b.htm
The VF-5000 replaced the VF-4 as the main mass production VF for quite some time.

I hope Delta will show older valkyries, like the VF-11 or the VF-14, still being used by poor plantes.

>>13877342
Me too, those are my two favorite VFs as well.

Just finished 7 and watched the "movie."

The fuck. That movie was better than anything in the show. Basara having a rock off with a sexy babe was fucking amazing. Why couldn't she be a main character in the show rather than that piece of shit Mylene?

>>13877860
Because if Emila was a main character instead of Mylene, the Protodeviln would have been defeated by her and Basara in less than a month.

>>13876149
It says only some branches replaced the VF-4 in that link, seems more like it was used alongside VF-4 by the UN Forces.

>>13854484
>>13854568
If Gamlin won the Mylenebowl then she could actually be 3/4 zent.