ITT Mention something positive about a show you dislike. I was

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Kamille, Bright and Fa. Also that scene where ja dough makes hammin cry.

Gundam Seed and Destiny have a lot of porn.

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>>13658631
Pff those bitch boys

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It has a really good soundtrack apart from the OP which is a forced attempt to do a new database

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The animation, OST and MS designs

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The OST and character designs are great. Shame about everything else.

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>>13658615
Some fights of the first season were kind of cool, I guess.

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Yuki-nee.

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Navels.

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The visuals were pretty nice

Everything involving FMP in SRWJ was awesome.

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The first episode was alright.

>>13658879
And yet you don't like the anime for some reason?

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Not really just the show but the franchise in general.
Incredible mecha designs and concepts. Great setting and an enemy that instills fear. Too bad it was wasted on a VN.

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>>13658732
The original mook designs were pretty good too, until they started over designing the shit outta everything.

>>13659087
>irrational hatred of a medium
How dumb can you get

>>13659125
I don't hate the medium, I'd just prefer it to be a manga or an anime or a video game. Not a fan of the character designs, either.

I didn't really like the tonal shift in ZZ but the fight choreagraphy in the desert arc and tension from it going up all the way to when Hayato dies in Dublin was very good and are some of my favourite arcs in Gundam, period.

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>>13658837
I'm watching this show right now for the first time and I don't really get why everyone hates it. It manages to have the similar superficial fluff like Eva while being a lot more coherent in it's story telling and has some degree of subtlety.
It's really well animated and Screaming-Not!Raideen is pretty cool.

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Macross has fantastic mechanical designs all around. A couple of the action setpieces are really well done, especially for a TV show, most notably the diving rescue in the second episode. Also provided the inspiration for Battletech, and I do like Battletech.

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>>13659130
>I don't hate the medium
>I'd just prefer it to be a manga or an anime or a video game

>>13659196
Do you know what hate is? Why does it have to be an extreme for you? I just don't like visual novels. I don't hate them, I'm just not a fan.
Get a grip.

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>>13659203
English isn't your first language, is it. Or do you have autism?

I guess the animation in Macross Zero was technically competent.

I mean I really didn't enjoy some of the scene direction, or how Satelight sucked so much at CGI that they hand drew some things instead of aiming for consistency, but if you looked at it in stills technically it's not bad by any sane metric...

>>13659236
What's your problem?

>>13659276
>>13659125

>>13659288
I already explained that I don't hate the medium.

>>13659292
>>13659196

>>13659300
This is the post that I don't understand. Your reaction image seems to say that you're dissatisfied by my answer. Again, I ask you, why must it be an extreme? Assume that I'm stupid and spell it out for me.

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>>13659196
>>13659236
>>13659288
>>13659300

He's willfully misreading what you're saying in order to provoke you. Stop responding to him.

>>13659320
I guess you're right.
>>13659325
>equating I prefer x to thing is better than x
OK. But I'm supposed to be the autistic one, right?

>>13659337
Stop responding to him.

>>13659353
I'm not sure that logic applies, I'd rather read a novel than fuck with a VN.

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Had a fappable onee-san.

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The mech design was absolutely amazing.

>>13659551

Are we not even going to mention the awesome intro? LOVE SURVIVOR, LOVE SURVIVOR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T987JkKXQ-s

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It eventually ended.

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It had the best OP
and the best mother

>>13658615
EVA has cool mech designs, and a catchy as fuck opening theme song.

>>13659603
Oh, yeah, of course, that too. And Tobikage Has Arrived is a great theme too, and I seem to remember some of the other general music being not bad.

>>13660235

Unless you are playing SRW UX in that stage

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20727359

>>13659758
Even better when sung by Ichiro Kageyama

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>>13658615
The Dagger L is a nice design and had a strong introduction

>>13659353
>VN
>reading
Yeah, go tell /lit/ that your flash porn games are literature. I'll wait.

>>13660390
>reading
>means it's literature
Looks like someone can't read

>>13659087
The pilot suits are great fap material too.

That one's my choice too, by the way.

>>13660390
>listening to /lit/ on anything

>>13660662
They're right, though.

>>13659087
Totally agreed.

The BETA and TSFs with a tone like Ace Combat would be perfect.

Also, VNs are objectively shit and for autismal waifu fags

>>13661335
>a tone like Ace Combat

So one-man armies kill everything, go home, the end?

>>13661885

More like

>Who the fuck thought building THAT was a good idea?!

>>13659154
I don't think everyone hates it, last time I checked /m/ liked Rahxephon.

I personally disliked it FOR the fluff though, not to mention the story flowed in a pretty predictable pattern although some of the twists were good a lot of them fell victim to "well yeah, I'm glad that's out in the open now."

Valvrave had...

uh.

It gave people jobs. There I did it. I mentioned something positive.

>>13658615
Infinite Stratos had awesome doujins

damn why does NTR doujin of a Haremshit always god-tier

>>13661891

So it's gonna be an anti-mecha screed, why even have it?

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>>13661904

I was talking about impractical-production but high-powered superweapons VS "swarm economics", but, well, that's a likely option too.

Really, if they took out the dating sim part (or what little was left of it in Alternative, all it decides is whose postmortem letter you read in the end) the entirety of the material is actually a fair bit of Ace Combat-ish. The dialogue is just less morose and moping than in, say, AC4, since you actually have team mates to joke around with the not-faceless main character, but that's exchanged with most fights looking like Ulysses hit the planet not more than a day ago.

Well, except for most of TE. That's like buying an AC game and realizing that half the fighters are enemies only. It's not helping matters than TE ended on cliffhangers TWICE (one time in the novels, probably intentional now that I think about it) and a second time during the PS3 release of the "game" (literally worse than a VN, zero options to affect any scenarios at all, it's a goddamned low-quality e-book on the Playstation for the full price of a game, at least Kikokugai was short but interesting and had amazing music). Not that the fixed ending in the PC release was any better, most of the major questions remain unanswered.

I'd really do prefer if they came out with more stories like War Ensemble (exoskeleton troopers VS BETA in urban combat, another deals with MBT combat and that's about it) as opposed to your typical giant robots and TE's Japan-centric additional materials at the cost of even lesser multinational focus from the original materials (though it was decent at least) during the first half of the series, but that is just a whole 'nother issue of "hey /m/ if you could rewrite X franchise here what would you do"-tier of thesis-level posts.

>>13662032
>but that's exchanged with most fights looking like Ulysses hit the planet not more than a day ago.

Unless my memory is incredibly faulty, you fly over intact stretches of land and cities numerous times in AC4.

It's like Ulysses didn't even exist 70 percent of the time.

> the entirety of the material is actually a fair bit of Ace Combat-ish

>Ace Combat regurgitates a romantic view of dogfighting and knights of the sky and legends and whatever, at least least before Electrosphere, and ML regurgitates a hopeless, grim bug war where the living have stopped counting the dead

Not really.

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>>13662039
Post limits. Let me elaborate further.

Most fights in ML look like a typical place - where Ulysses has hit - not more than a day ago because of all the munitions they toss. It's not a giant crater, but the wasted land and all the heavy metal in the air is about there.

>a hopeless, grim bug war where the living have stopped counting the dead

Think of the banter more than the actual fighting. I did specify that in regards to the dialouge, if you'd refer back to that post. Doesn't really stop the banter amongst the characters in ML, until moments where the situation goes to shit they still talk normally and joke normally, even SM characters don't sit in a corner cradling a rifle muttering into thin air and SM is arguably more dark -in settings tone- than any previous entry. In Euro Front you have pilots lounging on the top deck of a carrier. Prior to the invasion of Japan life is pretty much normal until the final moments where the urgency of the evacuation and the combat takes its toll. It's not like ISAF is a rock-hard desperate military either that emphasizes that your every mission is of utmost importance and a dark tide will take over the lands forever if you fail.

You fell straight for TE's stock dramatic line. What would a noble who hasn't even been blooded when she said that line, know about the living not counting the dead anymore? If the BETA hadn't crushed through the front, she wouldn't even have seen the combat that would become her driving motivation behind the XFJ project in TE later on.

Wing Fenice exists thanks to Gundam Wing.

>>13662065
>What would a noble who hasn't even been blooded when she said that line, know about the living not counting the dead anymore?

Gee, I dunno, taking a cursory glance at the rest of the world that isn't Britain, Iceland, Greenland or the Americas, maybe?

Not hard.

>It's not like ISAF is a rock-hard desperate military either that emphasizes that your every mission is of utmost importance and a dark tide will take over the lands forever if you fail.

Yeah, of course not, because AC and ML are tonally different.


>I did specify that in regards to the dialouge, if you'd refer back to that post. Doesn't really stop the banter amongst the characters in ML

What banter? The only 'banter' I even recall is Iris' 'jokes'. It's not like every pilot's cracking wise and spouting dumb shit like 'Go dance with the angels!' and wing-waggling.

>>13662039

To add extra mention, one-man air forces (usually 2-man, 4 just popularized that concept on western shores for the first time and ElectroS had Rena Hirose to peg down Nemo a few notches because you only face her in one point in time in any ending as opposed to fucking with all the Yellows solo semi-consistently in 4) have been a running theme in AC.

Most of the time the military crew treats you as something closer to a cape hero as opposed to knights and the only time you do actually pull the knight looks off is in Zero. The Mercenary and Normal paths quickly make it clear that Knight-type pilots are just as vulnerable to being shot down as the other two, the point of it was that (you) Cipher was just that good enough to carry his own weight in noble ideals - only if you so chose, however, and that the fate of surviving war is just that indiscernible that anyone crazy enough to stick to their ideals had better be damn good at fighting.

In 5 it's more of a typical Japanese action drama/anime of disavowed people carrying on with their duties to do what is right for the world and in 6 it's more of a liberation slant. While in 6 you're treated as a cornerstone it also reminds you that the Allied Assist bar there isn't just for show and that the pilots that respond to your use of it are just as important to the entire force as you are.

>>13662108

Whoops, forgot Africa. And even then that's only being held because the Egyptians are defending the Suez like crazy.

>>13662110
>While in 6 you're treated as a cornerstone it also reminds you that the Allied Assist bar there isn't just for show and that the pilots that respond to your use of it are just as important to the entire force as you are.

Oh my god unleashing the full bar on Aigaion was unbelievable.

>>13662110
>it also reminds you that the Allied Assist bar there isn't just for show

And yet you can go the whole game without using it, so really it doesn't matter.

Also, I didn't mean the 'Knight' classification in Zero, I meant how the series itself treats the concept of dogfighting, because in a modern military, I reckon most of the time you wouldn't even engage up close - that's what BVR weaponry is for. In reality it'd be a cold, clinical affair blapping some poor bastards from miles away with a salvo of missiles, and in AC it's portrayed as an act of grueling personal combat that is almost noble, or at least some of the people you face try to make it so.

>>13662108
>>13662117

An odd line to say as a response to seeing just two Japanese TSFs blow up. As much as I want to believe it, I doubt the writing had that intention in mind more than for dramatic flair considering that the show never makes mention to Yui referencing any of these places in dialogue later on, and there were many chances for her to do so while trading barbs with Yuuya early on. Though, that may perhaps be for the best; if TE actually strove to keep a multinational focus like its starting chapters teased, I can't imagine what it might become - for both better or worse.

AC and ML are tonally different but it's not like soldiers talking to each other off-duty differ that much in-between the two series and that's when the other, not-concerned-with-survival side of the characters come into play most of the time. Takeru and co. can get permission to decorate for a party in UL and when the Valkyries are first introduced they speak normally with some ribbing, the more experienced Valks don't get in the newcomers' faces for being "fresh" or put them down with tales of gloom. Shit gets real permanently only after Sado which is basically the kick to the back of the knee as a prelude for things to come for the Alt. characters in the first place. Adoration is basically Funny European Misinterprets Japanese Culture the Gaiden. Soldiers are fine with doing and saying silly things to break the monotonous drag of daily life in a camp or the constant background mental strain of being on QRF standby.

In TDA they happily play slapstick with each other when (although not every minute, naturally) not on-duty despite almost three quarters of the planet being in shit, and I'm not even counting Resurrection because even that is well over my own acceptable threshold of "wacky". Both series have their share of "dark" entries/moments and both of them have pilots talking smack even in action right up until the first missile/laser alert comes up.

>>13662108
>>13662117

In contrast, AC4 has its outmission narration handled almost entirely by a civilian that highlights the depressing air and material restrictions of normal people being under occupation, the grey canvas of narration broken only by the Yellows who happen to be the only prominent characters seeking a bit of solace whenever they have the time to grab some. Resource strains means that repairs are not regular even for this elite unit and the entire war was because ISAF allies believe that Erusea, barely a third of the rest of Usea combined, was lying about being at max. refugee capacity despite the 600k refugees out of 1 mil. clustered around its borders, and having suffered a major hit to its own capital and other cities; a terribly depressing reason to start a war over since it wasn't even due to long-standing grudges or crimes, but simply bullheadedness on both sides strained by the grip of economic pressure. I might feel that ML really was a shit world if UL Takeru stepped out to the ruins of Yokohama City to find homeless gangrene-infested amputee squatters from elsewhere scavenging for food cans that survived the pre-G-bomb ground assault campaign during 1999 in what he considered to be at least a civilized nation. As it is, it's terrible, but not where it's literally gone to the dogs, far enough beyond even 40k levels that nothing can compare.

In retrospect, that one old lady wasn't really that bad off in terms of immediate survival needs.

>>13662108
>>13662117

Most of what is known in ML around the majority of the world comes from a few select TSFIA entries written with equal parts settings and equal parts dramatic flair so I wouldn't be surprised if they end up having doing off-rocker things like a makeshift pool party in other parts of the world if they ever decide to get around to that. Tarisa's sidestory in CrossOps takes her crashing of a TSF like a headknock gag and the next page has her musing on the shit conditions of refugees on the Andaman Island camps when she's sent there to evaluate potential recruits for the Gurkhas. That's just the way it is. When it's non-combat interaction, both series are not that different at all.

Both series don't have to be neck-for-neck similar but they cut close enough on certain matters. Of course, flying to take down the enemy and saving your nation versus getting wrecked to next Saturday in the middle of land leveled to nothing is going to be different. The fighting is desperate in both series but across different standards and scales. Losing an engagement in ML stings worse than in AC in the long term but it isn't an instant kill affair for those being protected, unlike in AC where, say, the Chandelier will then proceed to entirely level Gracemaria with super-FAEBs within an hour or they drop a nuclear-armed spess dong on Oured in 5 minutes.

>>13662128

While the AA bar is redundant if one so chooses, the dialogue never praises the player as the monster he/she rightfully is in that case, which does matter if the issue is one of presentation in dialogue. It's not like in 4 where saying "Ribbons!" out loud will make heads turn and enemies remark one-liners expressing shock, or in 5 where the Wardogs, and later on, Razgriz, become a few steps short of a celebrity household name and the pilots of the combined warmonger faction make it a point to specifically single you out in their talk, or your final face-off with Grabacr and Ofnir who're chomping at the bit to be rid of you and your merry friends in black.

While it is true that the game forces dogfights, in 6 the enemy spams e-counters all over the place which lends it a bit of credence, at least. Though, with the way they tried to make it personal in X360 AH, I'm happy to have it as it was. Issues with IRL BVR taking place in engagements where allied networking was guaranteed and enemy counter-abilities were limited are also a bit off from their fictional AC portrayals where it's just their aircraft and yours for most engagements. Even satellites for assisting guidance apparently don't exist in AC, though, again, with the fragments of Ulysses in orbit, that's reasonable enough.

Of course, AC is liked precisely because the game adds flavor to what is otherwise realistic but flatline button-pressing, but it's not like it's only for entirely meta reasons that these things could be presented as they are in-game.

>>13662123
I once had it do jack to one of the escorts. Granted, that was in Very Hard, but I think I picked the wrong moment to call it in right before a hard turn to face most of my allies whereby the only thing it achieved was popping off an AA gun or two. The function as a rule seems infinitely more suited to ground attack or crowds of single targets (excluding the drones during the liberation mission, slippery little bastards).

>>13662243
>Losing an engagement in ML stings worse than in AC in the long term but it isn't an instant kill affair for those being protected

No, generally they all tend to end up dead for the most part.

Even when they win that happens too, really. Just look at Yokohama.

>As it is, it's terrible, but not where it's literally gone to the dogs

>BETA infest almost the entire world between Japan the United Kingdom

>The Americas are the only place that's even remotely well-off

>Unlimited and likely TDA end in misery and death for almost everyone involved

>The actions of the characters in Schwarzesmarken amount to absolutely nothing, Germany is overrun and the majority of its inhabitants slaughtered or evacuated, and its lead character becomes an embittered terrorist who wants to watch the world burn

>The only positive ending outside of deliberately somewhat goofy things like Adoration comes from sacrifice after sacrifice, and although it buys humanity 30 years to bounce back, they very nearly fail

It's hardly lighthearted either, isn't it?

I'll have to make concessions about the banter, in fairness, one because it's been so long since I've played a Strangereal Ace Combat game, and two because I haven't read Alternative in ages, nor do I read it compulsively, nor do I have access to material that I doubt is even translated in the case of Cross Ops or Euro Front. The issue is one of overall tone, not just dialogue, and the differences between Ace Combat and Muvluv are obvious enough that making one like the other - in my opinion - is a doomed endeavor.

They're both fine as they are, and they should stay that way.

>>13662235
>Takeru and co. can get permission to decorate for a party in UL

Wasn't that partly suffocated by a rather oppressive and gloomy atmosphere regardless, made worse by what Yuuko and Marimo had to say?

>>13662473
Basically that party only happened because their program was shitcanned and they had no standing orders anyways.

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>>13658615
>picking that as your mobile armor

I WANT PICTURES! PICTURES OF SPIDER-DAGGER

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>>13662875
How about a picture of Spider Enact instead?

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it has only 23 episodes

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Good mecha designs
Memorable OPs

>>13662875
chortled

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>>13658681
The OP is my favorite thing out of IBO.

also Atra, but that's just because I like Kanemoto's loli voice in general

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>>13662875
I liked mass produced Big Zam, it's a shame that it also happened to be a Gundam.

Halo 4.

Like the railgun, the SAW, and the aesthetics of the Promethean weapons.

Everything else ranges from disappointingly average to outright "343 what the FUCK are you doing?"

Especially Spartan Ops. If they were going to disguise Firefight with a thin veneer of plot I'd rather they not reuse the same map tiles so much and write a compact but enjoyable plot.

>>13659130
>manga
Lucky you, there's an adaptation for all the parts of Muv Luv for you.

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>>13658615
It had the right fetishes.

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>>13664308
SJWs never cried harder.

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>>13664314
Best first episode ever.

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>>13659154
>loop
triggered.

Webm related was the best part of RXP. I looked forward to it every episode.
>those 20 good seconds of the OP before it goes back to being shit

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Strike Freedom is really useful in SRW

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>>13658615
I actually like the VF-25 and the character designs are gorgeous.

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Hilda was nice.

>>13668493
and it's a damn sexy suit in its own right