Where does he rank as a pilot in the SEED universe? His takedown

Forbidden was brilliant but Raider doesn't even count. The pilot had gone insane and was flying around randomly shooting.

>>13639277
still had the wherewithal to take the buster's cannon and know how to use it though to shoot the Raider, right?

>>13639266
Who is this qt3.14

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>>13639266
Yzak is the best pilot in SEED, hands down. Kira may be a better programmer and have SEEDMODO, but when it comes to straight-up MS piloting skills, it's Yzak all the way.
Note that he is the only Gundam pilot in the whole show to still have his original Gundam in full working condition at the end of the series.
No, the battery dying doesn't count, that shit happened to everyone all the time, and Yzak finished the battle before his battery died.

Also the sexiest of the GAT series Gundams.

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>>13639266
Not 100% sure, but his skills are almost on par with Athrun out of SEED mode according to one of the side materials. IIRC, Athrun edges him (and the rest of the original group) out in melee combat, whereas Dearka edges him (and the rest of the original group) in long-range/sniping combat.

In terms of hand-to-hand combat, Athrun comes in first, Nicol in second, and Yzak in third. This bit came from the SEED Re manga (kind of a SEED equivalent of MSG Origin).

However, Yzak has shown rather competent command skills as well, and is the only pilot out of the group who successfully got their own Team. Athrun on the other hand was only ever a competent independent asset. Ironic given that all his MS are supposed to be commander units with their command antenna.

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>>13639311
Which is interesting considering that he is the "hothead" in the group.

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>>13639315
Forgot to add, but Athrun has always been shown as more or less taking the sidekick role. Teaming with Kira or Cagalli in SEED, then going solo. Even in Destiny, after he gets his shit together, he still just takes up the sidekick role.

Also, Yzak got the best girl.

>>13639315
Interesting info there. But then why is it that Yzak defeated the Forbidden so gloriously on his first go against it, while Athrun couldn't defeat it after battling it a few time in SEED mode?

Maybe because the Duel allowed Yzak to aggressively attack the Forbidden in the manner in which he did?

>>13639333
nice trips. but you lost me at the girl. that girl is clearly disgusting

>>13639311
Yzak lost to Kira each time they fought.

>>13639346
Don't ask me; ask the people who wrote the supplementary materials.

I'd just chalk it up to Athrun being too concerned with Kira, who had spazzed out losing Fllay to the EA forces, then him being too cautious with crazies (come to think of it, Athrun has always shown a lot of caution when fighting. Not an excuse, but the closest possible reason at least).

Yzak didn't give a damn if they were crazy or not, he just went for it. He even tried to attack Kira the first time he appeared in Freedom, only to have his legs sliced off and his damaged Duel handed over to a retreating group of ZAFT forces.

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>>13639356
Blasphemy!

Actually, it's understandable; some people find that due to Hirai-face, she almost looks like a FemKira.

>>13639387
I'm surprised to read from you then that Yzak scored lower than Athrun in melee. It seems like Yzak's nature is more suited to be the leader in melee in SEED. In Destiny I think Athrun is clearly the superior melee fighter.

>>13639392
that's probably it. Yzak might have feelings for Kira...

>>13639406
If one thing's consistent, it's that Athrun has always been cautious and relatively by-the-book. Remember his one attempt to be a leader only ended in relative failure (hunting down the Archangel at Orb). His indecision over whether to stay in Orb or return to ZAFT. His own self-doubts due to having a father that attempted to glass the Earth, on top of his inability to talk it out with even Cagalli. His attempts at teaching Shinn to not be careless or hotheaded only have that thrown back in his face due to how cautious he is.

Granted, some of that was just shit writing for whatever reasons.

For sure though, he's been rather competent in melee combat, though we rarely ever see it. Unlike Kira, who prefers to fight at range, Athrun habitually switches over to dual-ended beam sabers and charges in, even when his Justice had enough guns to spam alongside Kira.

>>13639409
Yzak never met Kira in person until Destiny though.

Shiho is just another Red Coat who graduated top of her class and was assigned to the Boaz Test Team in an attempt to develop their own compact beam weapons. The shoulder beam weapons on her DEEP Arms were the almost-final products. But with the capture of the G-weapons, the final revisions were made based off the beam rifle and she was reassigned to Yzak's team as his second-in-command.

Interestingly enough, Yzak gave Shiho her combat nickname, based on her unique skill in being able to beamspam and hit multiple targets and even commented that such a feat was rather difficult.

So I guess you wouldn't be too far off the mark if Yzak was homosexual or if Kira was legitimately female.

>>13639458
Oh Athrun is undoubtedly skilled in melee. But between him and Yzak i'm still not convinced Athrun edges him out, despite official supplementary materials that may exist.

As for hunting the archangel at orb, i'm not sure in which way it was a failure. I separate Nichol's death from the fact that Athrun chose to stay at Orb and successfully discovered the archangel's presence there.

>>13639266
Somewhere between "mass-murderer" and "sorta gureto"

>>13639361
Because of seed mode, not because of pilot skills.

>>13639507
The objective was to sink the legged ship before it could completely pass on all the accumulated combat data as well as the full data schematics to Alaska.

For all intents and purposes, that was a massive mission failure. 3 new high-performance machines were later created based on those G-weapons, as well as the different Daggers.

Considering how underdeveloped the Duel was, he was high-tier just being able to stay alive.

>>13639315
>In terms of hand-to-hand combat, Athrun comes in first, Nicol in second, and Yzak in third. This bit came from the SEED Re manga (kind of a SEED equivalent of MSG Origin).
How could they even write this with a straight face?

>>13639266
I have pointed this out years ago, but Seedlings were always dismissive of these facts

>>13639361
Everyone who fought Kira lost to him. You can't compete with jesus.

>>13639311
>>13639530
>>13639661
Assram is the best pilot in SEED, Yzak is a close second if you don't count jesusmode.

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>>13639549
Imagine if instead of wasting the Testament and Regenerate, they gave the Justice to Yzak, the Freedom to Dearka, the Testament to Kira, and the Regenerate to Athrun.

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>>13639629
Because SEED Re was the latest attempt to rewrite the universe mecha linage and insert a bit more details.

Now almost all major innovations resulted from ZAFT, rather than Orb or an EA original, a complaint many had over the Coordinators being somehow incapable of innovation.

Rosso Aegis is now based off the upgraded Aegis.

IWSP is now based off of the upgrade Duel.

METEOR is based off the Buster's aquatic upgrade.

Gold Frame's energy absorption claws are now based off salvaged pieces of the upgraded Blitz. Part of the concept is reused by the EA on the Divine pack for the stolen Testament as well as Nero Blitz.

>>13639758
How is that manga selling? I don't think we ever get sales figures on Gundam mangas.

>>13639758
It really should just go away.

>rather than Orb or an EA original, a complaint many had over the Coordinators being somehow incapable of innovation.
Except Orb = Coordinators. Even the EA has them even if certain member states are bigger assholes about it than others, that's why the Eurasian Federation has some cool niche technology that the Atlantic Federation doesn't.

When it comes to military technology the EA has the advantage of sheer numbers on their side regardless. They can produce all these variations and prototypes because they have so many different development teams and production sites and existing expertise while everything ZAFT comes from one centralized bureau.

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>>13639782
The series is still being milked some.

Frankly, I wish they just put out some new 1/100s of the Re designs just to kitbash them onto some other 1/100s I have. Not to mention, my sister loves the Blitz and wants another one to go with her big head SD Blitz she built as her first Gunpla.

>>13639295

Any pilot not a complete failure would know how to make that shot. That wasn't really amazing.

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>>13639307
Seolla.

Reminder that Dearka was demoted for racemixing

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>>13639813
It will take a long time for SEED to die out.

>>13639315
>Runs-into-plasmablade better than anyone at melee

>>13639824
Meant for >>13639782

>>13639828
That was hand-to-hand melee, FYI.

>>13639650
i stand by u bro

>>13639819
underrated

>>13639828
LASER blade

>>13639661
Arthran didn't, Shin didn't.

>>13640471
To be fair, although both Athrun and Shinn beat Kira, they both lost to him as well. Kira literally dismantled the Savior, and how many times did the Impulse get punk'd by the Freedom prior to 34?

>>13639266
>>13639277
Not to discredit Yzak, but I still think it's silly he took out two druggies in a first generation Gundam, when Kira and Athrun barely damaged them across ten episodes with their OP N-powered wonder machines. If anything, it would've made more sense to have one druggie survive SEED, and have him tie into Stella/Neo in Destiny.

>>13640933
but the dominion was destroyed. i don't see how any of the druggies could survive without their meds even if they survived fighting the 3 ship alliance

>>13640976
Was that battle even for days? I think the drugs last as the batteries would last

>>13640979
there were battles where they would return back to the dominion before their batteries ran out to get another dose. i think the drugs had them on a very short leash

>>13639346
Because his killing blow hinged on the element of surprise. Forbidden thought the deal was done when the Assault Shroud got busted up and you can't really blame him. For a second it DID look as if Yzak bit it.

Hell, all it took for Justice to finish off Calamity was also the element of surprise. A swipe from behind was all he really needed. Sure, he was in the METEOR, but a shot from a beam rifle would have been equally effective.

>>13639813
>Dat fem!Yzak
So, Kallen in a nutshell?

>>13639824
This looks like a Death Army special.

>>13639698

I can accept this I guess. But the point is Yzak isn't bad at all and stretched the fuck out of the Duel's capabilities and wrecked shit with it when it needed to count.

>>13641360
You know, the problem with Athrun is that he gets the occasional short stick as far as mobile suits go. That Savior debacle was demeaning.

>>13641366
Apart from the Savior, which he was perfectly competent with to be fair, losing only to the still superior Freedom after being distracted for various reasons, Athrun's generally done pretty well for himself.

He technically beat the Strike, pulling off a safe self-destruct play while Kira survived by a miraculous asspull, and completely dismantled the Destiny + Impulse combo 1v2. It's hard to say he's not the best pilot of the bunch with those showings.

>>13641366
The Saviour is a good Gendum; Kira was just OP as usual

>>13641413
You can't beat the Freedom.

Unless you pull off bullshit, like Shinn did.

>>13641424
>>13641413
>>13641410
Which, again, leaves more credence to the whole ATHRUN SHOULD BE IN THE FREEDOM HOLY SHIT argument. Who knows what things he can do with multi-lock.

>>13641462
Why?

>>13641472
I think there are some people who think that adding Athrun's pilot capabilities to the Freedom would make for a true OP combo.

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>>13639266
So whats his origins, is it this guy?

>>13641462
>>13641489
I'd accept it, only if the Freedom is coloured red.

>>13639333
>best girl
>not Dearka

Come on. You can't deny it.

I really wish we would see these two again. I miss them so much that I've been considering a full second marathon of the series.

>>13641627
>Implying dearka will be an uke
Haha, no.

>>13641633
Best girl more implies partner, not who is top and bottom because I would agree with you.

>>13639266
>Where does he rank as a pilot in the SEED universe?
The multiple sources add him up to be the best non-SEED-user in CE. He is 2nd to Authrun in the Academy, and in SEED he is basically the third best pilot in the world.

We don't know how good he is against Shinn because they never fought. Even the SD shorts make fun of the fact that he was the best of the not-so-greats because he had no SEED powers. And in the SD shorts he was desperate to get it.

>>13641638
Hmm, I guess I misunderstood you there.
Also, glad that you see things my way anon

>>13641413

Even before Freedom took it out it really failed to do much. Athrun played things too safe, despite his talent, and he wasn't Shinn who needed to be established as a worthy rival to his skills, and he wasn't Kira who was the only mobile suit of his side and also had to be established as a threat Shinn would want to take out later.

Athrun and Savior got screwed by the plot more than anything, because there wasn't a place for them until after the long set up and fallout of episode 34.

>>13641649
i must watch these shorts

>>13639698
>Assram
>best pilot
How many super prototype mobile suits did he lose?
How many druggies did he take down?

>>13639315
>Not 100% sure, but his skills are almost on par with Athrun out of SEED mode according to one of the side materials.

if I'm not mistaken, the Freedom Gundam was intended for him before the Lacus passed it to her boyfriend and the Freedom was not a suit that anyone could drive.

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Yzak's feats against the Druggies aren't spectacular if you've actually watched them. Sure, Kira and Athrun had trouble with that, but that's solely due to their plot armor until it was okay to kill them e.g. Athrun and Kira standing around like retards when the Druggies are going berserk. Kira and Athrun have far better feats than Yzak as pilots along with a multitude of other pilots.

Rau => Mwu = Athrun > Kira > Shinn > Prayer Reverie > Ed Harrelson > Rena Imelia > Morgan Chevalier > Rey > Canard Pars > Courtney Heironimus > Heine Westenfluss >> Yzak

It's hard to place those other pilots exactly atm.

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>>13642269
>there are still people in this world that think Freedom is a better mobile suit than Providence in space

>>13642251
Legend was intended for Athrun in Destiny. They never said who Freedom and Justice were intended for in SEED, Patrick just gave Justice to Athrun to hunt down Freedom.

Maybe it's in some not-exactly-canon manga side story or something, but it's definitely not in the show.

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>>13639266
>Kira and Athrun couldn't take out the Forbidden and Raider even in seed mode.

>>13639346
>But then why is it that Yzak defeated the Forbidden so gloriously on his first go against it, while Athrun couldn't defeat it after battling it a few time in SEED mode?
It's not a "couldn't", but a "wouldn't".

>In-universe explanation:
They were both a couple of pussies who, despite having the chance and every technological advantage against those three retards, they outright refused to kill them.

>Writing explanation:
Story demands that the protagonists have "regular" foes to fight against. With the ZAFT red coats becoming good guys, that forced the writing to come up with the flimsiest excuse for villains in the franchise.

>>13642269
>>13642269
>Rau highest, Kira who beat him in direct battle four places lower, Shinn who capitalizes on bumrushing in almost every battle when left to his own devices distinctly higher than any of the Astray pilots who are just as good brawlers at him or are slippery bastards in combat.

Your reasoning seems... interesting. I want to know why. Is it solely because of SEED?

>>13642124
>i must watch these shorts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPyjQWDwvCE

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>>13641275
More or less.

>>13642251
I kind of doubt it, if only because Justice and Freedom and the Eternal were designed as a set to work together, and likely for Faith pilots.

It'd be a confusing chain of command for the both of them since Yzak could be a Faith Captain and pilot, but having an independent Faith member like Athrun calling on him to deploy the Meteor system and sharing his ship without being under his command.

>>13642307

Providence kicks the shit out of everything they throw at it, they win by luck.

Is there any significance in Yzak being a white coat at the end of destiny in terms of pilot ranking?

>>13646161
he became a captain
red coat are pilots
green are mechanics/other ship crew
white is captain and purple are vice captains

>>13646241
Greens can be pilots as well. Dearka was demoted to green after he was found out to be guilty of racemixing

>>13646241
red coats are aces. green coats are pilots (like miguel, aurore, etc).

How good was the Buster pilot?

>>13647699

He was pretty meh, decent but probably the weakest of Athrun's group.

Though it didn't help that Buster was good for long range only.

>>13647699
>>13647914
yea i don't think he was ever given a chance to reach his potential as a pilot given the buster's limited function

That angry faggot was pretty good at taking down civilian shuttles.
Would fuck his mother though.

>>13647608
>like miguel
That makes no sense though, wasn't Miguel the Magic Bullet of Dusk or something? He even had an orange GINN that he didn't use ever.

>>13649286
He was wrong. Reds are just the top graduates from school, nothing more.
A pilot can be an ace even if he isn't wearing red

>>13649286
Red coats aren't always aces; they are simply the top of their class.

Miguel, for whatever reason, did not graduate the ZAFT academy with honors, but has been skilled enough to earn his own customized unit. His own GINN was basically overclocked to near redline status.