Why aren't non humanoid mecha more common? It's absolutely

>>13539216
>balls of steel

>>13539216
>implying people bought it for the robots
>implying people bought Code Gayass for the robots

It was a retarded concept that made lots of people curious. Then there's waifubait for autists.

>>13539278

There are waifubait series every season. None of them sell as good as GuP.

>>13539226

Isn't that the point really? Nobody cares about robots. If anything they have the opposite effect since for most people they are just dumb.

>>13539291

We already saw this in other show or games: if you put military hardware and moe you are going to click with a large otaku audience. Bonus points for WW2 iconic designs. If you take out the moe and put only tanks and planes you are going only for an extremely small and niche type of audience.

>>13539293

So you brilliantly discovered that softporn outsell anything. Are you a scientist or something?

>>13539291
>It was a retarded concept that made lots of people curious.
>Then there's waifubait for autists.
perfectly applies to GuP too

>>13539323
are you stupid? he means gup outsells the other waifubait series despite being a waifubait series as well

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>>13539216
I'm wondering why powered suits aren't more common in anime.

>>13539216
I implore you, please do not make non humanoid mecha that looks like that.

>>13539330
>gup outsells the other waifubait series despite being a waifubait series as well

Then it isn't just a waifu bait series.

>>13539330
GuP is actually more of a sports anime though.

It just happens that the sport in question is a fictional tank battle sport

>>13539337
Why? It's literally the Death Ball concept /m/ had going on for a while.

>>13539376

Except this is somehow uglier than that.

>>13539317

Anon, in case you don't know the worst selling shows every season are retarded soft porn LN adaptations.

>>13539337

That mecha is probably the least retarded mecha I ever saw.

It's just a heavy armored ball covered in weapons and propelled by repulsors.

You really can't make a less stupid mecha. It's so not stupid it's almost believable.

>>13539360
>actually more of a
It's 100% a sports anime.

>>13539404

Sports with tanks though.

Tank battles in GuP were far more interesting than average mecha battles.

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>>13539216
Powered armor is too 90s, non-humanoids are so 2000s, and robots that transform into jets/tanks/etc are too gimmicky for the SUPER SERIOUS WRIST CUTTING EDGE of modern mecha anime.

Also, the industry probably doesn't want to take creative risks (even if they tend to result in actual notoriety).

Sure, people remember Zoids, Gurren Lagann and Macross because muh ANIMAL ZORDS, muh MANLY GATTAI and muh MISSILE CARNIVAL, and nobody really gives a fuck about Eureka Seven, Guilty Crown, Fafner or Cross Ange.

Even so, the current anime climate doesn't seem to facilitate the "fun" type of mecha shows that used to come to the table with more than just bipedal metal men.

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>>13539415
>Powered armor is too 90s
Beg pardon?

>>13539216

You sound like you hate 90% of everything here. So why are you even here?

>>13539445
The way you described, he actually perfectly fits in here.

>>13539454

Touche'.

>>13539387

> You really can't make a less stupid mecha. It's so not stupid it's almost believable.

Actually, you can. That thing is, going by the size of the various cannons huge, and would probably topple firing all it's cannons at once. It's height is simply to big to be remotely useful, same as most mecha, and would just make it a walking target. It's also presumably rather ungainly going by it's design. Making a better mech would be rather easy frankly.

>>13539415
All people want now is fapservice. Just look Cross Ange and Heavy object. They're better of selling hentai comics instead of plastic models.

>>13539635

This. This a garbage design because not only is it impractical in the "realistic" sense, it's aesthetically ugly. It's the red headed step child of mecha. An amateur drawfag from /m/ with a broken hand can come up with something better.

>>13539413
>Tank battles in GuP were far more interesting than average mecha battles.
you mean "far more retarded"
it was literally WOT the anime

>>13539635

Its as big as it is because its got a powersource inside that is basically a miniature star (also why it is spherical to begin with) that takes up a lot of space. This is what powers the huge number of weapons and defenses that the thing has. In-setting, the only thing with enough firepower to reliably punch through its shielding is another star-powered doomsday weapon just like it. Dropping a nuke on the first one only partially disabled it, and it was still capable of achieving a military victory against the enemy force after that.

>>13539216
>Meanwhile a series about tanks outsold everything since Code Geass.
People didn't buy GuP because of tanks, also 00 and Frontier sold more than GuP.

>>13539828
>People didn't buy GuP because of tanks

Yeah, sure.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/toys/2189372051/ref=sr_bs_1

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It's not like anybody watches Heavy Object for the Objects.

It's for the bromance and Froylitia's shapely legs in that pantyhose.

>>13539794

You could come up with similarly plausible in-universe reasoning for many mecha. That's not what >>13539387 was likely to be talking about though. He's more likely to have been talking about "Ball is the most realest mecha ever" school of thought, despite the fact the Ball has it's own fair share of problems in design.

>>13539860
>A tank model kit listing has tanks at the top while actual GuP merch is ranked lower

Thanks for proving my point. What next? People watched K-on! for the in depth musical lessons and went on to buy guitars?

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>>13539864
Damn right nigga.

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>>13539873
>A tank model kit listing has tanks at the top

That's a BT-42 from GuP movie, no official model of it yet. Other tanks from that page are also appeared in GuP as well.

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>>13539884
>>13539864
If only she was in a better series

>>13539873
It's a well known fact that girls + thing that has a model kit = ramped up sales of model kits portraying that thing.

It's like a weird twist on the SRW effect, it creates heightened interest in stuff.

>>13539929
It's still a weird logic to say "the highest selling tank models recently appeared in the G&P movie, therefore the audience for G&P prefer the tanks."

It should be a sales comparison on the merch directly related to the show and compare how the tanks sell to the Figmas/Nendos/whatever.

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>>13539950
Never skip the intro because the camera lovingly lingers on her thighs... also the song is decent.

>>13539967
It's just common sense that cute girls + thing makes something sell better than if there were no cute girls at all. This has been a well established fact for a long ass time

>>13539669

It was supposed to be. They were doing sports.

>>13539873

Anon, all of the top selling tanks are the tanks that appeared in GuP. Even that horrible Italian tankette most people didn't know even existed before GuP.

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>>13539216
>Why aren't non humanoid mecha more common?

Hey man, I've got two words for you:

STAR WARS

>>13540799

AT-ST are scout walkers. AT-AT are long range artillery.

I hate how every game turns them into standard weapons just because they appeared in the movies.

>>13540016
Where's muh QT grills + Gundam, senpai?
Seriously.

>>13540799

Are those TIE-Bombers? And Dark Troopers or something? Where is that picture from?

>>13540818
It exists my friend.
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/MS_Girl

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>>13540929
>tfw no SoRa No WoTo Gundam
But dats not a show, tho

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>>13540955
Send several angry emails and other sorts of letters informing sunrise that they have fucked up in their choices

or just drop a colony on them with a friendly note

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they could do something like this.

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both is always the better answer

>>13539216
Hopefully they won't, that shit look like garbage.

>>13539291
>None of them sell as good as GuP.
Monogatari sells better than GuP, so do Love Live.

>>13539293
>since for most people they are just dumb.
Prove that.

I tried watching HO. the premise is lost to me.

okay, so an Object is stronger than an entire millitary regiment. it was able to tank a nuke, sure, but we saw it damaged. A second strike would have rendered it inoperable, I think.

But its still a single unit against an Army, what is to stop the enemy forces from going around it and taking out the enemy bases/commanders while its distracting the object? heck, you can still use strategic nukes on the enemy territory.

they make more sense as vanguards or base defense but they way its portrayed that its an object duel, just rustles my jimmies.

>>13539293
i care about giant robots but can't say i've found anyone equally obsessive yet.

>>13539669
they weren't more interesting, for starters those tanks could not achieve that kind of speed in real life, for seconds nobody was hot blooded enough with burning spirit.

>>13539216
Fuck the guy that designed that shit. Fuck him really hard.

>>13539635
>would probably topple firing all it's cannons at once
Friggin laser beams man

>>13542487
same.
having a deathball instead of samurai bot doesn't make it any more real... or better.

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>>13539216
>fascination with humanoid robots predates the 1950s
>thinking this will ever end

>>13542519
But in GuP they had a reason for those tanks to move so quick, modern materials and engines.

Hell, the Ribbon Warrior spinoff manga which focused on a tankette-based sport in GuP-verse had a part where they installed an engine(They mentioned that it was originally designed for a Te-ke back then, but they made it with modern materials, put a german fuel injector in it, put an american cooling system or something in, and those stuff lightened the engine and improved its perforance) that lets a fucking Te-ke light tank drive at 55km/h.
Even in GuP they apparently installed a fucking nitro into a Porsche Tiger.

Historical accuracy is the least of their concerns when it comes to the engines and such.

>>13539442
>posts metroid
case in point.

>>13542487

Today we also have nukes but wars are still going on.

I guess the point is Objects are powerful enough to justify war while using only them.

And nukes are really not as powerful as movies would make you believe. Nagato took a nuke and didn't sink. She had to be nuked a second time. And that was a ship with 30cm armor. Objects have like 10m of some super magical layered armor.

>>13543211
Also, a Centurion tank was tested against a nuke. When they inspected it, they realised that the engine only died because it ran out of fuel. The crew(If any) would have definitely be killed by the blast, but the tank was still operational.
After refueling, they drove it back home.

Said tank went on to fight in Vietnam.

>>13543422

I'm pretty sure it gave it's crew cancer.

>>13543435
That's mostly the fault of the people who thought it was a good idea to put soldiers in a tank that got nuked before.

I had this huge argument with a sort friend of mine: I said we would never get mechs in real life and that the concept of making a mech shaped like a human is stupid because if they have the technology to make a giant walking humanoid with jets and shit why not make something a billion times simpler and equally effective like say, a big ball with guns attached to it and jets so it can hover. His main argument is that in these anime universes that technology was at a point where it was relatively inexpensive to make a mech. I countered by saying it would then be EVEN CHEAPER to make a ball mech.

>>13543445
Also, funnily, in Vietnam, a shell went through its frontal armor, but it got stuck in one corner of the crew compartment and didn't explode.

Its rather fitting for a tank that survived a nuke.
>A shell? That's nothing compared to the nuke I endured with my face

>>13543211
>Nagato took a nuke and didn't sink
Worth noting that that was a kilometre and a half away and a 23kt bomb.

Nukes do tend to be over-portrayed (especially in anime), though they are occasionally done right. Terminator 2's pretty much spot on.

>>13543450
We could make a really fucking cheap, elegant abacus instead of affordable smart phones, complexity still has a point it becomes cost viable.

>>13543450

The main problem is the fact that a humanoid mecha will never offer anything over a tank. While being a very tall target. And have absolutely horrible ground pressure.

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>>13543721
Yes, giant mecha might serve no pupose, but something on a smaller scale equipped with the needed tech to make it as agile as the pilot, plus a full sensor suite to assist in avoiding long term threats, suddenly you have a monster of a machine with no need for complicated programming or worrying about it being taken over by the enemy. Yes, I'm talking about Space Marines. The level of tech is similar. Glory to the God Emperor.

>>13543769

And then your super expensive armor is useless when towelheads fire cheap RPG at you.

Exoskeletons will be real pretty soon. Space marine armor will not.

And exoskeletons won't be like Fallout power armors or anything. They will simply allow the soldier to be covered with AR500 level of protection and carry heavy weapons & ammo without breaking his spine.

>>13543782
So,powered armor.

Gg,no re

>>13543769
>no need for complicated programming or worrying about it being taken over by the enemy

>posts a chaos marine

>>13542545
With that kind of size and power output I'd be willing to wager that radiation pressure is probably a factor.

You ever hear the old adage about how any spaceship engine interesting-enough to get anywhere is also a fucktardedly dangerous weapon?

That.

>>13542473
Monogatari has more going on with it. I'm not one of those 'KEKSODEEP' fags but it's very clear that, although the waifubaiting is a very significant factor, part of the draw is how it manages to accomplish a strange kind of ironic sincerity, an acceptance of its trashier elements and pretty solid-hearted attempts at making them more captivating than they are on their own.

Love Live I have no idea. Yuribaiting? Who knows.

>>13543499
Those were also underwater tests, right? I mean I'm not stupid, I know that water carries shockwaves more severely than air does, but also most of the radiation would have been absorbed by the water, and that's what would have done the most damage.

I sincerely doubt there would be much left of Nagato from a B51 direct hit.

>>13546213

https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/

Don't know about how the explosion would be affected underwater, but I do know that water does dissipate radiation shockingly fast.

>>13543782
>when towelheads fire cheap RPG at you.
That weapon's not an insurmountable obstacle despite what terrorists want you to believe. People use RPG-7s because it's what is available, not because they can defeat modern armor well. A soldier can't carry MBT defenses but there could easily be a reality where squad or even personal-level theater defense systems exist.

>>13546213
The first one was an air burst, second was underwater and much closer to Nagato (800ish metres), though it also didn't do too much to it besides irradiate the shit out of it (I'm not that well versed on particulars but I'm guessing this was more "covered in radioactive water" than anything else). I mean, it did do something because Nagato sank a few days later, but if she'd had a crew they could presumably have fixed that before they vomited their organs out or what have you.

>>13546460

The Nagato in particular sank because of pre-existing damage that was causing a slow leak no-one had determined extensive enough to warrant fixing for the tests on Bikini Atoll apparently. It would have been scuttled regardless given the radiation bath it got because of sea swells though, at least according to Wikipedia (grain of salt and all). It all seems well sourced though, so seems pretty solid.

The Arkansas, which was much closer (250 yards to Nagato's 770) was, and I quote "crushed as if by a tremendous hammer blow from below". Further quoting "It appears that the wave of water from the blast capsized the ship, which was then hammered down into the shallow bottom by the descent of the water column thrown up by the blast".

Saratoga, a carrier 450 yards out by comparison was barely scratched.

>>13543499

>Terminator 2's pretty much spot on

In the context of a 10-15Mt., yes. Will also throw out there the nuke that you see in the last movie that takes out the Golden Gate is pretty realistic to for a 5-10MT.

>>13539216
That's a glorified spherical tank than a mech

Still /m/ though

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>>13542487
HO really is a show where you have to do a lot of disbelief suspending.
Especially considering Havia and Qwenthur are the only people with working brains in the entire universe of the show.

The fact that they're the first people to take down Objects via sabotage and exploiting relatively easy to find weakspots alone is pretty far fetched.

So that really goes hand in hand with the world of HO not making a lot of sense.

I am watching it for the moment when they will lose it and rape Froylitia's every orifices

>>13548227
>The fact that they're the first people to take down Objects via sabotage and exploiting relatively easy to find weakspots alone is pretty far fetched.
It's actually not that odd according to the setting. If they were trying to take down Baby Magnum they'd be pretty fucked but because 1st gens like it were so effective at eliminating everything else they've started building more specialized 2nd gen Objects for killing others in specific theaters and lost the all battlefield dominance.

All the ones they've taken down have been somewhat experimental bleeding edge fuckers relying on their gimmick to cover for a lack of development.

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>>13539864
>It's for the bromance

this so much

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>>13548239
However even Baby Magnum is a logistical nightmare, that could be easily hindered and crippled by targeting its maintenance facilities and supplies.

Plus all Objects seem pretty easy to hide from and evade, meaning military units could very easily dodge them and wage guerilla warfare on enemy nations.

>>13548257
That works both ways. The only reason Water Spider didn't completely wipe them out in Alaska was its super shitty operational time. Tri-Core was its own support base anyways ( supply routes would be extremely hard to control with the fractured territories)

Long term they have too much firepower to hide from unless you hide among civilians.

>>13539360
So was build fighters.

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>>13539216
Reminder that the Yggdrasil is one of the most awesome feature in Reco yet some fucktards hate it.

>>13548287

Reminder that it was taken out in the laziest way possible. It was literally taken out by copy/pasta. The unit is cool as fuck, it's the battle itself I have a problem with since it's just so boring once Bellri gets involved.

>>13548276
A unit of navy seals in scooba gear could shit all over the Tricore though. If Havia an Quenthur had had an entire unit backing them, they could have taken that fucker over

>>13548388
Not really. Quenther's plan only worked because the Tricore had it's fins caught up in a net full of mines. Furthermore, a SEALs team wouldn't have the technical expertise to realise how important those fins were.

>>13548877
I'm talking about a different approach.

With a little more manpower they could have forced their way into a vital section of the Tricore and destroyed it from the inside.

>>13549432
>vital section
>from the inside.
Objects aren't really built like that. The only 'vital' sections are the core and the cockpit, both near the centre and heavily armoured. And the rest of the interior is armour, and wiring integrated into it. There's an entire chapter about Quenther boarding an object that goes into reasons infantry can't really damage them.

The parts of Tricore that could be boarded were oil collection/storage infrastructure basically built around the Object, and there's just no way to damage an Object directly with personal explosives.

>>13548877
I feel like I'm some sort of idiot, but I don't really get what happened in that scene. Quenther talks about destroying a fin to get the whole thing to destabilize and tear itself apart (which is fine) and then the fin is shown to be completely fine, but it tears itself apart anyway.

>>13540809
>artillery
>heavily armoured direct-fire gun platform

These things aren't the same.

>>13543782
>And then your super expensive armor is useless when towelheads fire cheap RPG at you.
If it takes a direct RPG hit to kill an infantryman that's quite an incredible advantage.

>>13540809
>>13549561
There are relatively few Parabolic-curving artillery pieces in Star Wars, most of their more powerful weapons (At least among those that appeared in the Movies) are straight line firing, so they need to be very tall, and since being very tall makes them very exposed they need to be very heavily armored.

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Seeing as how real life engineers often plagiarize design ideas from nature, why should a mecha be a giant ball rather than inspired by an animal of some kind?

>>13546176
Yeah, the irony struck me after I posted that.

>>13550253
Isn't that what Zoids is? Even Valvrave had giant ape robots.

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>>13550253
>2 arms, 2 legs, and wings
>wyvern

>>13548257

To be fair they do talk about various terrorist organizations.

So it's not all HO vs HO.

It's more like was between the main powers became sort of honorable duels between HO's. Until religious nuts went fuck it.

>>13539415
nobody cared about E7 because it was fucking rubbish, and that is the only reason.

>>13542413
i'm unsure as to what advantages having both forms would hold.

anything a mech can do, a tank can do. And anything a tank can do, a mech can do.

>>13543721
Except agility, versatility, and being something that would terrify opposing troops

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The thin I love about Froylitia apart from her heavenly thighs I want my head sandwiched between, is that she looks like she came straight from a Command & Conquer cutscene.

>>13554649
Contrary to what militant tank autists would have you believe, there is tactical benefits to being tall sometimes.

Reasonably those benefits are not worth completely fucking up a tank for though.

>>13550253
>Seeing as how real life engineers often plagiarize design ideas from nature, why should a mecha be a giant ball rather than inspired by an animal of some kind?

Because an engineer would see the pattern in how the structure of animals changes when animal size increases instead of just blatantly scaling something up.

At the small size of the spectrum, long and thin structures dominate since speed is generally the deciding factor. At the other side, you get compact, bulky structure that dominate through sheer force.

The whole idea of Heavy Object is basically taking the pattern to its limit. By having an immense amount of armor, their defense is absolute. The objects however became so heavy that the structure is largely dominated by the need to support itself.

Meanwhile, in the HO universe, fighter jets pretty much evolved the other way. Small, extremely agile, and pretty much only aimed at having as much jamming equipment on board as they can fit so they don't get shot out of the sky by an object as if they're an annoying fly.

>>13548243
Oh yeah, the bromance in this one is great, they could give a little more of object vs object time but this guys are just great.

Any hopes for S2? or are the index faggot still salty?

>>13559451
We'll first have to see where they end this, it's two cours so we'll still have a bunch. if they stick to the current schedule though (which I'd guess is going to cover 5 novels this season) there'd be enough material for an S2.

From a commercial standpoint though, it'd probably make more sense to have an Index S3 instead of a HO S2 immediately afterwards.

>>13559553
I am not talking about getting S2 inmmediately, I can wait, but there is source material for that? there is hope (AKA sales going well)?

>>13559626
Currently HO has 10 LNs, and episode 9 covered chapter 1 of volume 2 (HO always has three chapters / volume). With this pace, there should already be enough material.

>>13548257
2nd Gen Objects are relatively easy to hide from.

For a given value of relatively.

1st Gen Objects are equipped differently and are therefore much harder to hide from.

>“But…I don’t see how we can possibly slip past the Baby Magnum.”

>“Agreed. As a First Generation, it was made with enemies other than Objects in mind and has a lot of excess fat to show for it. A Second Generation would be one thing, but we can’t hope to survive a traditional anti-personnel battle here.”

Basically, its like >>13548239 said. The only reason Quenser and Havia's plans work most of the time is because the culture has naturally and realistically evolved in that direction.

Plus, another reason for their continued success is because the enemy Object isn't focusing on them.

Its usually destracted by the Baby Magnum.

Again, its highlighted at one point in the books. It explicitly states that if Objects saw infantry as a threat, Quenser and Havia would ahve been killed many times over.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that, while there is a degree of bullshit involved, alot of the tactics I;ve seen people prepose would be a lot less effective than they seem to think.

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>>13539216
I like Balls. Best design.

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>>13563116
Maul Ball