I can't decide if this is the dumbest or smartest thing

>>13482903
It means you're dumb.

The inner machinations of Ichiro Okouchi's mind are an enigma.

Expect a sort of witty and clever kind of dumb when he's writing.

It's very smart about being dumb

It's neither. Code Geass is almost absent of any original thought but does repackage a lot of popular tropes them in an entertaining, and occasionally interesting, way.

Whatever Code Geass is, you can't deny that's it incredibly entertaining.

>>13482956
This is a good way to put it.

>>13482996
This.

There are times where it just goes maximum soap opera and it's amazing.

>>13482978
Oh please. You can't possibly tell me that the whole "Gundam but in high school but still on the colony drop scale" thing isn't unique and interesting.

It generally depends on the episode in question

also >>13482996

It kept me on the edge of my seat every week for two years, that's something.

>>13485753
You must have very low standards

>>13485825
Stick to A/Z newfag

>>13482903
It's stupid. It came out during a time where anime fandom was still impressionable by the most poorly written garbage because YOU COULD WATCH IT WHILE IT WAS AIRING IN JAPAN so there's heavily nostalgic for people who were growing up in the mid 00s. Nowadays its flaws are rampant and its a generally poorly written show but had bombastity that kept people on the edge of their seat every week.

>>13483011
No its not.

>>13485846
It was brilliant but it was level of quasi clever writing that let people feel like they were smart.

It also hit all of the correct notes when it came to overwrought drama and melodrama that got people excited. Too bad the dub was absolute shit and took away the two things that the show had going for it. The voice acting and superficial cleverness that let people feel awesome for being able to follow it.

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>>13485961
>It was brilliant but it was level of quasi clever writing that let people feel like they were smart.

>>13485846
>No its not.
What else did it?

>>13485961
It was one of the first anime I watched and I watched it dubbed and still though it was awesome. Obviously now I wouldn't watch it dubbed but it didn't ruin it for me.

>>13485980
Valvrave and virtually every mecha anime that came after SEED.

>>13485961
And these are the type of people I'm talking about.

>>13485991
Valvrave was shit at it though.

>>13485979
I hate when idiots use the word brilliant objectivly rather then subjectivly in situations like this.

Okay then, tell me shows that you consider brilliant and quantify what you mean by brilliant.

>>13486016
So was Code Geass. Not sure what you're trying to prove.

>>13486039
Code Geass was actually entertaining. Valvrave was so shit that it wasn't even watchable in a horrible trainwreck sort of way.

>>13486046
>Code Geass was actually entertaining
Only if you're retarded.

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>>13485991
>Valverave
>Gundam
>when there's no Char

>>13485846

I disagree. I had been watching anime online as it aired since 2003 with the original bittorrent, and Geass was and still is one of my favorite shows. It has nothing to do with nostalgia or being new to watching anime as it airs, it's just exactly the kind of show I enjoy.

>>13486038
Giant Robo. I think the idea of incorporating all of the artist past work into one giant circlejerk was great since you can root for the good guys and the bad guys at the same time and how the show is framed as a spectacle in vain of classic Chinese cinema makes the experience all the more rewarding since its not just a show about a boy and his robot but its own fully realized world filled with mystery, adventure and mayhem. Code Geass is just fast food, good for an hour and then you regret eating the whole thing while Giant Robo is a full course meal that you'll remember for ages and want a second helping.

>>13486079
Well I didn't rule out the possibility that they're people with shit taste so I think you're the exception.

>>13486086
What do you mean by giant robo. That entire goddamned post doesn't say which or if you mean an anime or manga or what particular installment or what.
It's just a namedrop followed by a lot of flowery praise.

>>13486086
>Imagawa
>not fast food
Ebin

>>13486100
Anon clearly means the OVA.

>>13486100
I think the idea of incorporating all of the artist past work into one giant circlejerk was great since you can root for the good guys and the bad guys at the same time and how the show is framed as a spectacle in vain of classic Chinese cinema makes the experience all the more rewarding since its not just a show about a boy and his robot but its own fully realized world filled with mystery, adventure and mayhem.

That sounds like the anime dumbfuck

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>>13486072

>>13486086
But Code Geass' whole setting is built on Mobile Suit Gundam. The effort they took into recreating that and making Char into something other than a delusional ADD manchild is on the same level as what you're talking about. Hell, the Pilder On scene from R2 was enough super robot wank to make my head spin; and that's completely ignoring that Karen's whole thing is that she's Domon in the first place.

>>13486100
>post says Chinese cinema
>HURR DURR HE MUST BE TALKING ABOUT THE MANGA
Are you just pretending to be stupid?
>>13486108
Not really surprising coming from a Geassfag

>>13486121
>>13486117
No, that's just them jacking off in a corner over.

Have to actually say the fucking name of the series cause...there's a fair bit of it and I haven't seen everything nor will I even pretend I have for cheap cred.

The fact that they bring up giant robo ova tdtess in such a way means their just going along with what everyone else says is good and is trying to look superior in some way.

Just another pretentious fucktard.

>>13486134
>The effort they took into recreating that and making Char into something other than a delusional ADD manchild is on the same level as what you're talking about.
No its not.
> Hell, the Pilder On scene from R2 was enough super robot wank to make my head spin; and that's completely ignoring that Karen's whole thing is that she's Domon in the first place.

Yeah...you're an idiot.

>>13486107
>>13486126
No it doesn't! I swear to god if you try to break into the annual Char party again I'm gonna call the cops.

>>13486147
Who pissed in your cereal?

>>13486139
At least Geass wasn't 75% reused footage.

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>>13486147
>>13486134
>Geassfags

>>13486167
Neither is Giant Robo.

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>>13486169
>shitposters

>>13486169
The irony of using a clip from a fucking adam sandler movie to attack someone's intelligence.

>>13486198
Billy Madison is better written than Code Geass

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>>13486205
>>13486198
LEKT

>>13486039
Code Geass was a well-written story. Valvrave had barely any story and was gay shit about vampires.

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>>13486236
>Code Geass was a well-written story
Now yer just trollin'

>>13486246
Now you're just shitposting.

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>>13486250
C'mon, "well written?"
Seriously?
Fun, yes, had potential, sure, but good?
Not unless yer main diet of fiction is Harry Potter fanfics.

>>13486263
Yes, I think Code Geass is good.

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>>13486236
>Code Geass was a well-written story.
>If I were to order you to kill all the Japanese...
>You may have killed my powers , erase my memories and then I winded up having my memories erased again and having them restored just when I was about to remember again...I still love you
>I'm trying to kill God so I can start the instrumentality project so that all of humanity will be one
>Zero was not who he seems to be! He's actually a prince of britannia there's no reason for us to rust him in fact we should trust this other prince of brintainia with this clearly undoctored evidence against him who cares if he's the only reason we even survived up to this point and went from a rag tag group of terrorists to leading an army of the entire world
>I'm gonna give this unstable man an ability to cancel geass effects but only for key moments otherwise its worthless WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG

So why is it that its okay to shit on GSD for its bad writing but not for Geass?

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>>13486275
K'

i like piza but

>>13486300
Because CG has no Lacus to cockblock fujo from fully crushin' on Lulu.

>>13486205
I can take an explosive shit then wipe my ass with paper and get better writing then billy madison.

>>13486331
prove it

>>13486309
i like criple loli

she can't run away

>>13486300
>>If I were to order you to kill all the Japanese...
How is that bad writing again?

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>>13486391
It isn't, it's the apex of the show.

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>>13486096

Fantastic. Amazing reply. I am in awe of your superb debating skills.

>>13486300

Because Geass was pretty and a spectacle. GSD was a boring stock footage clip show ridden mess.

It's why people praise Unicorn. Shit writing is forgivable if the show is pretty enough. If GSD had actual good animation and fights nobody would care about it's writing flaws.

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Is this the Okouchi general thread?

>>13482903
give props when they're due

>>13486300

One was just a show made by people who wanted to make their own show. The other was a stain on Gundam's name.

That aside, the difference is presentation. Geass revels in its dumbness no matter how much it tries to pretend it's serious. Destiny is always treated like it's supposed to be a serious story that is something to respect and that everything happening in it is deep and meaningful, when it's anything but.

A cynical person would say ">it's ok if it's supposed to be shit!", but please, cease your desire to shit up /m/ ass a board for 5 seconds and realize that things are not made for everyone. As John Carmack said about games back in 2003

"[A]t its best, entertainment is going to be a subjective thing that can't win for everyone, while at worst, a particular game just becomes a random symbol for petty tribal behavior."

>>13486401

Just a shame about the shitty writing leading up to it.

The accidental geass thing had me rolling with laughter for weeks.

>>13486411
>tumblr

Not making yourself look good here

>>13486456

There's 2 kinds of people on tumblr. Crazy people, and artists that left deviantart. Sometimes they overlap, but not always.

>>13486391
>Lelouch uncharacteristically makes a bad joke JUST when his geass loses control at the EXACT same day as the initiation of the Japanese Special Zone which winds up causing hundreds of lives and further the rifts between Japan and Britannia and ultimately putting a strain on his relationship with Suzaku
>All because of a joke

>>13486462
That's dramatic irony, buddy.

>>13486462

He has a talent for bad timing.

>>13486445
>Geass revels in its dumbness no matter how much it tries to pretend it's serious.
Something being dumb doesn't stop it from being shitty or poorly written, Cross Ange is a dumb but I don't see people singing praises for it like its some sort of masterpiece. All I'm getting is that Code Geass was a tonally confuse show and people take it too seriously hence why it attracts so many dumbasses to it.

>>13486466
>>13486470
That's not what its called. It's bad writing.

>>13486466
No its contrivance and very poorly done too.

>>13486413
>Because Geass was pretty
It looked like shit for the most part

>>13486457
>artists that left deviantart
You ain't helping your case

>>13486478
>That's not what its called. It's bad writing.

By that logic half of Shakespeare is bad writing because he loved making the most melodramatic thing happen at the exact point for maximum impact.

also

>Geass
>tonally confusing

How so? I never had a problem following what was going on or felt any internal contradictions.

>>13486478
People don't take Geass seriously enough to consider its writing shit.

That's the only way Zero Requiem end could even get as far as it did, people were lax enough to allow that many plot contrivances to occur.

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>>13486495

By your logic 4chan as a whole should be condemned because of /pol/ or /v/.

>>13486495
>implying pixiv isn't as derpy as devart

>>13486497
>Equating Code Geass to Shakespeare

Please fucking stop.

>>13486500
So the only reason why we shit on TRY is because we take a children's show seriously.

>>13486532
>muh Shakespeare

>>13486478
NO ONE took or takes CG seriously nigga!

It's fucking fun and melodramatic nonsense with a cast of characters all vying for a chunk of the spotlight and all having their thing.

It's good soapy fun. It's water cooler/form fuel tier stuff.

That formula is something that many MANY tried to emulate in the east and the west, but many fuck it up harder then a black guy fucking a blonde dyke.

>>13486497
Shakespear was his generations CW/Torri Spelling. He wasn't deep or brilliant. Just a guy(group actually) who wrote superficial drama and smutty comedies to entertain an audience who also enjoyed forcing slaves and prisoners to fight wild dogs and bears.

>>13486532

Firstly I would say you either haven't read a lot of Shakespeare, or you had one too many professors who had the "Shakespeare is GOD" attitude.

Secondly, it's the perfect analogy. They both made works entirely taken from stuff already written, repackaged in a different way for the zeitgeist. And they both loved melodrama purely for the same of melodrama, hell that's all Hamlet is for half the play.

>>13486546
>ho also enjoyed forcing slaves and prisoners to fight wild dogs and bears.

No, they enjoyed using dogs to fight tied-up bears

>>13486497
>By that logic half of Shakespeare is bad writing because he loved making the most melodramatic thing happen at the exact point for maximum impact.
They're not remotely similar but by your stupid logic Twilight can be considered Shakespearean as well

> I never had a problem following what was going on or felt any internal contradictions.
Because you clearly had the show on as background noise. The show wants to be over the top silly romp yet wants to incorporate drama and serious themes and it doesn't mesh well at all.

>>13486550
>Firstly I would say you either haven't read a lot of Shakespeare
>they both loved melodrama purely for the same of melodrama

I can say you haven't read a lick of Shakespeare in your life.

>>13486540
...yes, and?

>>13486550
>>13486546
Shakespeare was a poet, he didn't write stories, nor was he expected to.
He just took the plot he was given/found and wrote groovy poems with it.

Once you get out of school, the moronic English majors their half baked ideas, you'll appreciate his plays way more, believe me.

>>13486546
>NO ONE took or takes CG seriously nigga!
http://myanimelist.net/anime/1575/Code_Geass:_Hangyaku_no_Lelouch
http://myanimelist.net/anime/2904/Code_Geass:_Hangyaku_no_Lelouch_R2

Yes they fucking do. Why do you think I'm arguing with somebody who saw nothing wrong with its writing or another comapring it to Shakespeare? If people didn't take it seriously they wouldn't go to such lengths to defend it and outside 4chan its highly praised as some masterpiece. You don't get that from some shitty soap opera anime that or anime fandom are composed of idiots.

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>Geasfags mention Shakespeare

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>muh shakespeare

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>>13486573
>myanimelist
guys, pls
yer killing me here

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>>13486554
>and it doesn't mesh well at all.

Why not? You say that like goofy wacky hijinks can't exist with incredibly serious drama in the same show.

>>13486556

Give me a reason for Ophelia's madness and death for any reason besides the fact that it's tragic.

>>13486573

It's not about taking it seriously, I just get tired of /m/ shitting on the show.

>stop disliking what I like

There's a difference between disliking a show and coming to shit on it in every thread that's made for it.

>>13486540
Try is a terrible children's show that came hot off the heels of a fantastic one.
They needed time to smooth out the edges and double down on the stuff that worked and cutting out what didn't and getting the age gundplay in there, because it's perfect for BF and video games, and mobile games.

Instead the suits forced them to shit out a nonsensical shitty failure of a shounen with the worst of gundam tropes a failure cast..
I hope who ever was in charge of that gets a very quiet corner office.

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>>13486589
>comparing Geass to MASH
Now yer just being offensive.

>>13486589
>You say that like goofy wacky hijinks can't exist with incredibly serious drama in the same show.
MASH was a comedy-drama retard. Code Geass was a drama with a few comedic moments, there was no sense of irony in the writing it was just poorly written to the point it was hard to take seriously in its most dramatic moments.

>>13486597

I wasn't comparing, I was just making the point that there's no problem with a show having a tonal dissonance if you know how to.

>>13486573
A handful of tards on line willing to fight to the death over an anime is not the vast majority of viewers anon.
They're the outliers.

>>13486589
>It's not about taking it seriously
But it is.

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>>13486591
>terrible
>fantastic
It was a SO-SO show after an OK one.

>>13486612
Nigga, I'm not going to argue with you.
You're telling me a turd in a pizza box doesn't stink because the previous pizza box had a pizza in it.

>>13486610

No, I just want to enjoy the fucking show and discussing it without fuckfaces like you coming into every thread and shitposting with "shit taste you have there". Which gets pretty fucking tiring.

At least Valvarager is just an asshole on a crusade.

>>13486605
>there's no problem with a show having a tonal dissonance
Except MASH was a black comedy, there was no dissonance since it was poking fun at a serious subject matter and wasn't trying to jugging its tones. When it became serious its tone was consistent unlike Code Geass.

>>13486619
People disgreeing with you and calling you out on your tastes doesn't make them assholes, and if you want to talk about Code Geass in peace go to the dead general.

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>>13486618
It was morning after Pizza Hut pizza.
But pls, go on, sperg on again about how ORGASMIC one was and GENOCIDAL the other.

>>13486603
It's like 00 where the drama itself is part of the comedy.

>>13486612
>It was a SO-SO show after a GOOD one.
Fixed

>>13486621
>People disgreeing with you and calling you out on your tastes doesn't make them assholes

If people come into a thread just to say you have shit taste, they're shitposters. That's basically the defintion of shitposting. It's contributing nothing to discussion, it's purely to start shit.

>>13486643
Exactly. Nobody took 00 seriously because it was far too retarded yet wanted to be taken seriously. Code Geass is a mish mash, it was obvious an over the top retarded anime but had a bunch of dramatic shit that spoiled the fun.

>>13486656
But 00 had "serious" themes even though it's goofy. It's stuff about understanding and pacifism wasn't silly just because it was expressed silly, it was still drama.

>>13486666
Wasn't saying it wasn't just that it was hard to take seriously due to the insipid writing and Code Geass also had serious themes that wasn't meant to be a joke.

Code Geass was fucking awesome guys. When it came out the only place to watch anime was late night Cartoon Network and it was 10 times better than everything else on there not named Evangelion or Bebop.

>>13482903
Why do we need this thread?

There's already other Code Geass threads.

>>13486666

Gundam 00 was a lot more serious than Code Geass in tone and content, not even theme alone.

>>13486835
The final scene is a giant flower in space.

>>13486813
>When it came out the only place to watch anime was late night Cartoon Network and it was 10 times better than everything else on there not named Evangelion or Bebop.
Morbito aired on Adult Swim. You're full of shit

>>13486500

Zero Requiem actually makes a lot of sense by Code Geass in-universe logic.

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>>13486813
>not watching it when it aired
>not being there for the JIBUN WOOOOOOOOOOO
>not being there for CODE GEASS CODE GEASS CODE GEASS CODE GEASS
>not being there for moot trolled suzaku lol'd
>not being there for the livestream and everyone FREAKING THE FUCK OUT when Lelouch is stabbed with the sword in his room in episode 1

>>13486842
ZR made perfect sense to me, I just disagreed with Zero deciding to do it.

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>>13486837
>lol flowers r gay
It was Feldt's flower, Setsuna used it signal the conflicts end, you pathetic manchild.

>>13486546

Most of Shakespeare's work was based on appealing to what was popular among the masses and was quite low-brow during his own lifetime.

It's only decades or hundreds of years later that his works gradually became high-brow retroactively because of lasting popularity, not because the Bard had any sort of higher artistic goal in mind. He wanted to entertain the masses and get paid for it.

That said, Tolstoy thought Shakespeare was shit, so it's not like everyone blindly praises everything he wrote

>>13486842
By in-universe logic CG is a masterpiece.

>>13486856
I liked it, but it was still a giant space flower. 00 wasn't a "serious" show.

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>>13486853
>not being there for the livestream and everyone FREAKING THE FUCK OUT when Lelouch is stabbed

Are you kidding me, I still have my screencap saved.

>>13486573
I'd say the people who enjoy Code Geass the most are the ones with the ability to chill out and relax, while still finding a few interesting aspects to the series, yet those who get a figurative stick up their behind and need to be snotty about it end up taking things way more seriously than the show took itself. End result, they're missing the point.

>>13486573
Code Geass is both overrated and overhated. It's above average at best. Anyone who claims it's the worst or the best is a fool or jumping on a bandwagon going in either direction.

>>13486554

The show uses melodrama, not standard drama. There's nothing saying you can't have silly events in the same series where people die. In fact, the show actually makes fun of certain dramatic moments too.

>>13486556

Shakespeare's record often includes unrealistic coincidences or contrived tragedies where anyone with more intelligence could have avoided them.

>>13486860
His poetry was praised in his lifetime, he was considered a top tier literary persona, just not the best.
The plays cost cash money at to see and education or at least an appreciation for poetry, him being "for the masses" is a overused cliches spouted out by desperate English teachers trying to de-deifying him after 19th century made him a god.

>>13486603
Code Geass was not a drama. There's plenty of irony in the writing, starting with how the series makes fun of Lelouch despite him being the protagonist. It would be a soap opera at best. Unless you're going to tell me the cat episode or Mao wanting to cut up C.C .with a chainsaw plus all the hamming it up is supposed to be serious drama, or that Euphie taking the time to smile while reloading a machine gun means serious business.

>>13486886
His viewer never expected super realistic plots, we do, at least pretend to.

>>13486620
Code Geass also pokes fun at what would be serious subject in other shows, so your standard of black comedy must be broken to bits.

>>13486897
>Code Geass was not a drama.
>I don't know what the word "drama" means

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>>13486898

We do? I just like robots punching monsters and/or other robots.

On another note, this is apparently the oldest /m/ image I possess.

>>13486837
The flower wasn't particularly funny though.

>>13486886
>muh bard
HE NEVER WROTE ANY OF THE STORY DUMBSHIT.

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>>13486897
>Code Geass was not a drama.

>>13486901

Well it can't be a comedy, it doesn't end with a wedding.

>>13486864
Nah, I don't think that's how you apply in-universe logic to anything (works do not internally spell out or define their own masterpiece status, last time I checked)

>>13486902
>habbo
DAS RACIS

>>13482903
Meh, Gundam Wing did it first and better.

>>13486887
There was plenty of rather vulgar humor in them that doesn't really match with the customs of the higher nobility.

>>13486915

There will one day come a time when people on 4chan won't know what "pool's closed" means

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>>13486907
This nigga knows what's up

>>13486901
Unless you equate death with drama, then nope. Code Geass has melodrama but it is not primarily concerned with drama. It's concerned with theatrics and over-the-topness.

>>13486886
You can stop pretending now

>>13486897
>Code Geass was not a drama.
It was certainly a drama and there was not a hint of irony in the writing either, you were not suppose to laugh at Euphie's situation, you ere not suppose to laugh at Shirely's death. The show was very heavy handed in its themes meaning it wanted to be taken seriously, the problem is that Okuichi is a terrible writer and Taniguichi can't direct worth shit.

>>13486881
>The show uses melodrama, not standard drama.
That's pretty much the same thing in Japan.

>>13486897
>soap operas are not dramas

How do you think the drama in melodrama got there?

>>13486927
>Taniguichi can't direct worth shit

S-cry-ed

>>13486927
Code Geass has plenty of irony in the writing. You were in fact supposed to laugh at Euphemia's behavior once she started shooting people and being polite about telling them to die. Just not at her subsequent death per se. You're not supposed to laugh at Shirley's death either, but preceding events do count. Mao himself made fun of the confrontation between Shirley and Lelouch. The themes of the show can be analyzed, that much is true, but that doesn't mean everything is serious. Okuichi is actually rather crass and self-mocking in this writing, not only for this show. Taniguchi was actually the best part of the series and the direction was superior to the writing almost every single time.

>>13486918
Your assuming nobles don't like to laugh.
But the plays were almost always edited/rearranged/shortened to fit individual situations and were never considered finished works of art.

Last ~30 years of actual historical research has been a amazing, really new insights to his plays and times, not BS liberal arts faggots trying to peg Shakes into anything they can squeeze a degree out of.

>>13486946
>You were in fact supposed to laugh at Euphemia's behavior once she started shooting people and being polite about telling them to die.
You can stop posting now

>>13486933
S-cry-ed was okay in terms of directing but the writing was pretty bad. Code Geass as a whole was both better written and directed than that.

>>13486949
It's true though.
Even the voice actors and staff comment on that.

Why would they be lying?

>>13486946
>Y-y-y-y-y-you can laugh at this b-b-b-b-b-but you can't laugh at this

This is what makes the show tonally confused. There's nothing funny about Euphie's situation, she's retaining her original personality while under the control of geass how the fuck is that suppose to be funny? Shirely's situation is only funny due to how poorly written it was to the point where it becomes a black comedy also Mao wasn't making fun of the situation also his entire character is worthless as a whole so using him as an example doesn't make a good argument.

No he's just a shitty writer, there's no hint in irony because the underlying tone of the story and writing is incredibly flawed.

His direction was all over the place like he had to had every scene had the same juxtapose screening at every instance which is why the soundtrack got repetitive as shit.

>>13486933
That was also poorly directed. The only shows from him that are well directed are Planetes and Maria.

>>13486300

Only the first of one of those is actually a flaw related to the writing in Code Geass

The stuff with Shirley was boring and repetitive but consistent. You could even predict it from a season away.

Hell, having an instrumentality plan is only unoriginal and not a writing issue.

Zero wasn't that good of a leader and the Black Knights were always idiots without him.

Orange was joke.

It's because GSD has worse characters and worse writing. You could say the same about most of Tomino's shows too, even when they have writing issues as well.

>>13486925
>literally not knowing what the word "drama" means

>>13486946
>You were in fact supposed to laugh at Euphemia's behavior once she started shooting people and being polite about telling them to die.
Sort of. The whole thing was meant to shock the viewer.

>>13486950
>>13486974
>but the writing was pretty bad

S-cry-ed had a plot? I always saw it as "guy punches things, and then after meeting someone where punching doesn't work, he learns to punch things differently"

The final episode gave the fans exactly what they wanted: Ryuho and Kazuma just beating the shit out of each other at full power for 23 minutes, lack of impact on the plot be damned.

>>13486974
>also his entire character is worthless as a whole so

He shows what happens when you lose control of your Geass and how CC abandons people that can no longer fulfill what she wants.

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>>13486907

>>13486977
>>The stuff with Shirley was boring and repetitive but consistent.
It wasn't. hell it was incredibly insipid and came off as an unintentional black comedy since so many bad shit happened to her. She had her memory erased twice and when she accidentally recovers she gets killed.

>Hell, having an instrumentality plan is only unoriginal and not a writing issue.

It is a writing issue since it comes out of nowhere, its rushed as fuck and makes no fucking sense.

>Zero wasn't that good of a leader
He was, he was the main reason teh BK even got formed and why they lasted as long as they did, early in the season Todoh actually acknowledged that they had no worth without him so betraying him was the worst possible thing they can do especially when they're in the midst of a war

>Orange was joke.
And the writing is bad. Makes no sense to give an insane character a power device and then do nothing with it.

Wouldn't call Code Geass better written than those.

Oh and if anybody here actually enjoy Shakespeare, instead of just using him as English major's Godwin Law, check out "Shakespeare's Globe" series of videos.
Check yer torrents.

They're the recordings of the plays performed at the reconstructed replica of the Globe in London.
Wonderful stuff, especially hus comedies, they actually manage to make them funny.

The actors aren't as good as Royal Shakespeare Company per say, but the live audience and the atmosphere really makes the plays come alive.

>>13487010
>He shows what happens when you lose control of your Geass
No he doesn't and his situation wasn't even in the same.

>and how CC abandons people that can no longer fulfill what she wants.
And this didn't happen either.

>>13486974
It's not really confused though, since there's internal consistency in its having both sides of the coin from the beginning. It's all in there.

The show establishes that hilarious events and serious ones can co-exist in the same universes, including the same episode. It's funny because even Charles zi Britannia openly laughs at it. Lloyd also makes a lot of remarks that are lampshading stuff about the show, including Suzaku's issues.. Mao was making fun of the situation to the point of going to get a damn shotgun after making it seem like he just gave up. Or how about having a sign at the amusement park about PLEASE HOLD ON TO SMALL CHILDREN right when they're talking about C.C. abandoning Mao? Or the numerous scenes with Pizza Hut and how there was even a "spot the ad" game on the extras. Since you mention black comedy, that's actually the point of many scenes. Right after Suzaku reveals his past to Lelouch, you have him thinking back to it with serious music...only for the camera to cut back and show us he's posing at school while thinking all that. Mao is a good example since he is literally meant to troll Lelouch and gets trolled himself.

You're free to think whatever you want about the quality of his writing, but there's a very open tongue-in-cheek nature about it and his comments are very sincere about that. Why would he lie? It's not like he reads /m/ or anything.

The direction was a perfect fit for the nature of the show and he describes how that was arranged in his interviews. The soundtrack was great and I know you're kidding since the audio director was an awesome dude with a lot of work on great /m/ shows.

>That was also poorly directed. The only shows from him that are well directed are Planetes and Maria.

Only if don't really understand the man has a directing style that celebrates over-the-top events and camp when he's not going for insane detail like with those two shows.

>>13487024
>And this didn't happen either.

Yes it did, she left him because he wasn't going to kill her.

>>13486954
It's not true.

VAs say silly stupid shit all the time and didn't comment on it you fucking liar.

>>13486946
>irony

Not all irony is comic irony, genius. Just because there's an incongruity doesn't mean you're supposed to laugh at it.

Euphemia's politeness was supposed to further drive home the contrast between her good ideals and personality and the horrors she's being forced to commit.

That said, you get the most fun out of Geass if you enjoy laughing and crying at the same time, and can switch between laughing at the melodrama and being deeply afffected by it at the drop of a hat.

>>13487032
>That said, you get the most fun out of Geass if you enjoy laughing and crying at the same time, and can switch between laughing at the melodrama and being deeply afffected by it at the drop of a hat.

Well I'm bipolar II so that's easy.

>>13486990
It was meant to go for WTF value in the process of doing that.

For that matter, the situation as such is also the direct continuation of the whole "let's make fun of Kira and Lacus being so powerful and always right" thing that the Geass director had already done in GXS with Michael and the gang.

>>13487010
Kind of. I'll give you this, I think S-cry-ed was about mean being stupid and animalistic. It wasn't trying to be deep or anything more than mindless shounen action with occasionally turning the world of the protagonist(s) upside down.

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>>13487024
>no he doesn't
Half the fucking purpose of Mao's arc was to lay the groundwork that "YO, GEASS POWERS EVENTUALLY TURN ON PERMANENTLY" so that the Euphinator incident isn't a complete ass pull.

>CC didn't abandon Lelouch
No, and seeing Mao helped Lelouch figure out what she wanted, and avoid having her leave him.

>>13487027
>It's not really confused though
It is, I just proved why its confused and you did as well, just because you can infuse serious scenes and hilarity in scenes doesn't mean you should.

>. It's funny because even Charles zi Britannia openly laughs at it.

Because a maliciously evil character laughs at a tragic situation its suppose to be funny? Okay.

>Mao
Mao was his insane, his comments aren't even suppose to clever or funny he's more or less an annoyance to the audience at that point and one of the better moments of the show is Lelouch commanding him to shut the fuck up forever. His appearance doesn't change the context of scenes. He's definitely an example of what's wrong with the writing since he's a complete throwaway character

That doesn't change the fact that he's terrible writer, him being tongue-in-cheek doesn't change the quality of his writing, not sure why is that so hard for you to get

No it wasn't and you really sound underage as fuck.

His direction isn't hard to get its just that Code Geass, S-Cry-ed and GxS weren't well-directed at all.

>>13487052

All I know is a lot of people hated the final episode for just being "fanservice" that had no bearing on the overall plot.

To that I say, FUCK THAT. Do you know how blueballing it would be to have both protagonists get their final form, and then NOT have their rivalry end in one one big fight? That would be the worst. That would be like saying "nah, lets not have Goku fight Vegeta now that both have ovtained SSJ2. Who would possibly want that?"

I know it's just Goro pandering to the crowd, but fuck it, I want to be pandered to in this instance.

>>13487016
She was portrayed as the obvious innocent victim of Geass users and Zero, but again...there's enough black comedy and regular humor in the show that is surrounding those scenes.

It makes as much sense as any instrumentality plot. Btw, Charles says he'll kill god in episode 2 of R2, then V.V. explains to Cornelia in another episode that it's not a literal god, then Charles tells Lelouch cryptic stuff about all becoming one when they have their mid-series meeting, etc. and we already had all the scenes showing he was planning something mystical/magical/metaphysical.

Zero was good at one kind of leadership: I'll show you miracles, so believe in me. He was bad at making people sincerely trust him and actually giving them his trust in exchange.

Tohdoh and Ohgi basically have to shout down a revolt during that early episode by saying that Zero is necessary, but none of their questions were properly answered by Lelouch.

What's more, you have Ohgi being disloyal later in the season whenever Villetta comes up. Tohdoh had the deal with the Holy Sword who died and told him to not trust in Zero. I agree that their move was dumb from a wider perspective, but it makes sense due to their own doubts and mistakes.

You don't really need to justify why a joke character has a powerful device.

I was referring it and Tomino's shows being better written than GSD.

>>13487066
>GxS
>bad

That's it, /m/ is fucking dead.

>>13487024
Mao is an example of an advanced Geass user who can't control his powers. C.C. literally tells Lelouch he could end up like that.

C.C. did abandon Mao and tried to abandon Lelouch.

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>>13487054
We knew the consequences of the Geass from the first few episodes and the second battle with Cornelia, we didn't need to waste three episodes to point out the obvious and yes it was still an asspull.

Wrong again.

>>13487027
>interviews

Any tips on how to find these? I'd be very interested in hearing what he's got to say about the show.

>>13487066
>co-existence and confusion
It's obviously there, and it's just as obviously intentional, even if you don't like it.

Hell, it's the part of the show that's difficult for most people to really enjoy.

Most of the show's fans either grab onto the edgy, melodramatic side of it, or appreciate it as a 'ridiculous trainwreck', and minimize the show's other side. Most of the people who don't like it simply can't stomach one side, don't like the juxtaposition of the two, or hate the art.

It's like those chocolate bars with bacon or sea salt in them. Some people just really hate the combination, but other feel that it brings out something that neither of the flavors does by itself.

I remember when /m/ simply disliked Geass because it didn't focus enough on politics.

>>13487031
They did though. You haven't heard the commentaries up on Nico.

>>13487032
When both the show itself and staff members do so, then yes. It is at least partially comedic.

Euphemia's politeness while shooting people was funny and made the scenes funnier than just having her sit around and order the soldiers to kill. You don't need to go look for any complex explanation.

I do agree that Code Geass has both comedy and tragedy so you'd best enjoy seeing those in the same series or episode even.

>>13487066
There's absolutely no confusion if you literally go back and read the interviews from the staff. They explain it better than I did and, of course, with more authority.

It is. Charles was a huge in-joke for everyone on the staff, including Wakamoto, who recorded the boob speech.

Mao's clapping was added to the storyboards to make him more annoying and trollish. He is in fact annoying, but that's funny too.

I'm not discussing his qualities as a writer. Only that you said he wasn't, but he is.

Why do you call people underage for using the word awesome?

>His direction isn't hard to get its just that Code Geass, S-Cry-ed and GxS weren't well-directed at all.

Disagreed. Shit, even somepeople who don't like the shows admit they are well directed.
You might think the style he uses in those is bad, but it's a choice and one that has its roots in his earlier grunt works.

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>>13487079
>we knew the consequences
>then they spent another three episodes pointing it out
>it was still an asspull

>>13487067
Well yeah. Some did, but I thought it made perfect sense for the characters and the theme, if we must say Scryed had one.

>>13487074
I'm saying that it was UNINTENTIONALLY black humor because they played up her misfortune for no reason other than bad writing

Not really. Most of what Charles says in Ragnarok in cryptic shit so no nothing he said was foreshadowed to what transpired in Turn 22 considering how compact that episode was.

Well this ain't true because he won the trust of others, what transpired was that the BK were idiots who fell for an obvious play because they let their short sighted ness blinded them, if Xingke or Sumaragi were there they wouldn't have fallen for it.

It doesn't make sense because they both betray him on a personal note and not because of his actions, Ohgi literally betrays him because of Viletta's lie and Todoh betrays him because his former mate says so, none of the shit he actually did matters to them and they don't even care that he could control their minds, that's what made it stupid hell none of the BK were buying Schinezel's bullshit untill Ohgi came in.

Then why give it to him in the first place

Lots of shows are better written than GSD. That's not really a accomplishment.

>>13487079
Nah, they don't mention that Geass can evolve until Mao shows up. It wasn't even relevant to the first battle with Cornelia since Lelouch couldn't use it from the mecha.

>>13487084
That's a fair reason to dislike it.

I'm both incredibly political and yet not political at all depending on the show thouh.

This thread is dumb and you all are dumb for posting in it.

>>13487076
Oh you're that same retard from the other thread
>>13487084
I remember /m/ disliked it because it was shit and /a/ kept spamming it here and also because the mechs were tacked on.
>>13487086
But they didn't and also not much of a proof of anything if true since the VAs of 00 were laughing at Nena killing Louise's parents during the commentary, also the director of E7 making a joke after a serious moment in the show, its just to break the ice not because the scene was suppose to funny because if it was serious than the commentaries would stop being fun.

You're talking out your ass now.

He's not very funny he's just annoying and ultimately superfluous to the whole show

I've never seen that, only people who already familiar with him or don't care and the audience for those shows don't care about direction obviously.

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>>13487099
>Here's someone with a DIFFERENT geass, that lost control of it for a DIFFERENT reason, that was meant to show how fucked he became because its always on
>This is obviously foreshadowing you geassing your sister to kill everyone

>>13487104
Again, I don't see how exploiting the obvious victim is poor writing other than in terms of lacking extra ideas for the character.

Charles says cryptic shit that makes more sense when you realize what his real goals were. I'll admit that Turn was rather dense in terms of explaining stuff, but there was some previous foreshadowing if you do go back to his earlier scenes during the season..

He won some of their trust with miracles, but only due to their common necessity. He didn't make them really trust him as a man or as a compassionate leader who was willing to hear their complaints and give them a look into his own self. That would have deactivated all their doubts if Lelouch had been more open and sincere from the start, but he wasn't. I do agree the BKs were kind of desperate and short-sighted during the scene of the betrayal, but Zero didn't help his own case at all either. Xingke might have helped them understand, true.

Ohgi fell for a woman, yes, and had already kept stuff hidden from Lelouch for that matter.

Because it's amusing.

It is a relevant comparison. I just replied to it.

>>13487157
C.C. spoke to Lelouch about Geass getting stronger in general terms when he asked about Mao, so at the very least Lelouch was aware of the possibility. Just not how it'd happen to him.

>>13487143
I remember individual human beings on both boards having their own opinions about the series.

>>13487143
It is when you have creative and production staff doing that, not only the voice actor, and all of them being sincere about how they felt about many things. 00's were rather tame in comparison. When people say that a scene is supposed to be funny, and they worked on the show, why would you doubt them?

Nah, since your explanation is needlessly complicated and more reaching than mine.

>>13487158
>I don't see why whiping a character's memory twice, killing her father, restoring her memory and finally killing her is poor writing

I see you're a simpleton.

There's was not much to go about before then because what he was doing didn't match up at all what he was preaching at that point in the story then it turns out he wanted to do another instrumentality which doesn't match at all to the figure he was in S1.

At that point of the story they should not have betrayed him given their situation. Simple as that.

>>13487183
Well that never happened because it never came up, any time you see the cast laughing it up is during commentaries and those aren't meant to be taken seriously since most of the time they're either drunk out their asses or trying to have a good time. They never said the scene was suppose to be funny so I don't understand why you're pushing this.

Nope, when an evil character laughs at something tragic its not suppose to to funny, that's just common logic.

>>13487204
It's quite abusive and stereotypical, but not poor writing. Can't we agree to disagree?

Well, I'd be a simpleton who at least did understand what Charles was previously talking about once the series reached that point. Not immediately, but soon enough.

Charles spends most of his time in a mystical temple room talking to clouds. That is the Sword of Akasha, as we later find out. He is not really seen actively ruling Britannia and Schneizel even remarks on how Charles doesn't seem to care about the real world, because of all the time he spends in said room. That seems rather blatant for a hint.

With that in mind, plus the scene where Charles tells Bismark in private that war is for fools and other scenes...it's pretty easy to figure out that Charles was simply posturing about social darwinism in public. He was roaring like a lion because, well, Britannia expected that the Emperor be the king of the jungle (figuratively speaking).

So that was just playing along with the role. In fact, he needed it in order to keep the throne in his hands and intimidate any of his challengers, at least until the plan had been completed. In other words, Charles was lying on international TV.

We do not get any private insight into the real thoughts of the man during season one. In fact, most of his speaking screen time consists of either flashbacks to Lelouch's past or making a TV speech during a funeral. Can we really say that we knew the true Charles based on that biased sample of information? No, not at all.

Whereas I think that was the point a betrayal needed to happen. To improve things, I'd change the betrayal episode script to make them sound less desperate and more reasonable, at least, but they'd still turn on him by the end of the sequence.

>>13487204
Commentaries can be quite insightful, especially when taken together with interviews that reinforce their behavior. If they say "we thought this guy was hilarious and let him go all the way with his acting, which he enjoyed doing" on a commentary track, then why would they be lying? There's a mix of jokes and facts in all commentaries. Drunk people don't automatically lie either. In fact, usually you get someone drunk in order to hear them speak the truth without inhibitions. Because I've apparently read and heard things you haven't checked out and adamantly deny for that reason alone.

Evil laughs are usually funny, especially when taken to the extreme. The most chilling laughter is often restrained, actually.

When you consider the specific scene in question as well as the character itself and the voice acting, it's hard to argue it's tragic.

You know, of all the weird shit that R2 pulled, the meido being a Ninja was the twist I was most okay with.

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Why didn't Zero explain that he fucked up with Karen's Geass and made her immune?
Why didn't he explain things to the BKs after he became emperor? I get that they weren't hearing the voice of reason when they kicked him out, but after they had calmed down you'd think Leloucg would be able to explain the situation.

since when did so many english lit students like code geass? thread is some Deep Literary Analysis.

>>13489532
>sup guys, I've got this plan to absorb all of the hatred from the world by being the most evil mind controlling dictator and turning everyone against me, you up for being mindless slaves I'll use as nuke fodder?

By being enemy soldiers and preaching about his evilness the BKs played exactly into his hand anyway, why would he bother explaining things to them?

>>13489598
Fujo and their useless liberal arts degrees/

>>13489611
Wouldn't Lelouch want forgiveness?

>>13489771

No. And that's why things always went so bad for him. He gave no fucks if people hated him so long at it served his purposes. That's why he never ever tried to patch anything up with anyone and just rolled with all the hate he was getting. He actually seemed to find it easier just to accept being hated.

Presumably this was a result of growing up in the palace where he was disliked by almost all the other royalty, and then moving to Japan where he was disliked by everyone except for Suzaku eventually.

>>13488145

That was literally a meme. Season 1 someone somehow got a Sayako is a ninja I bet lol thing going and they decided to actually do that in season 2.

>>13482903
You're an idiot then.

>>13488145
Probably because it was inconsequential and only lasted for a couple of minutes. Those asshats are more insulting than the topmeido twist.

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>>13487079
>We knew the consequences of the Geass from the first few episodes
>yes it was still an asspull.

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>>13490325
>So CC said you will kill your sister by making a bad joke
>this wasn't an asspull at all

>>13490339
>character had thing happen to them
>signs point to the same thing happening to you
>thing happens to you
>WOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAH FUCKING KOJIMA

>>13490347
>character had thing happen to them
>signs point to the same thing happening to you
>thing happens to you
Except this doesn't happen

>>13490359
It did, you even literally said it did twice.

>>13490361
It didn't. It was an asspull

>>13486495
Then 4chan must be shit because it was started by a guy who left SomethingAwful

>>13490886
4chan is shit though.

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>retires on an orange farm
This nigga ain't even mad

>>13487066
I'd like more people to test themselves and try to criticize something without saying "bad writing"

JIBUN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

JIBUUUN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>13486573
*no one should take CG seriously
All of the dumb shit he said about Shakespere is irrelevant. All that matters is that Geass is fun. Dumb fun, but fun.
I even liked the early robots

The show was dumb fun, that's it, all these walls of text serve no purpose beyond making you look pretentious. You people watch toy commercials, you never had any good taste in the first place.

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>>13492957
>/lit/ btfo

Was Villeta the only authority figure at the school? I know it's the richest of rich kid schools, but goddamn, I don't think any teachers are shown except for when Suzaku is introduced. Why was Milly's bullshit allowed? Who payed for Milly's bullshit? Where were the concerned parents?
I wouldn't even mind if Ashford weren't such a huge part of the plot.

>>13486860
Also because its written in what is now esoteric language.

>>13493243
Milly's bullshit was allowed because her family owned the school, and also comedy.

>>13485961
This is the answer. Death Note did it too, which is why they get compared a lot. The writing and narrative aren't ACTUALLY that complex or thoughtful; it's all just melodrama and WHAT A TWIST: The Anime. But by structuring things this way - by shamelessly playing people's most lizard-y emotions and by necessarily staying a half step ahead of the viewers by constantly dropping plot developments that are at once predictable and yet completely out of left field - they make people feel smart for being able to follow the action. People like feeling smart. They come back for more of things that make them feel smart.

Was Suzaku a newtype?

>>13497545
He was a coordinator.
His origin plot lines were dropped when they rebooted the show back in high school at s2.

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>>13490886
Well, yeah.

>>13492541
>>13492544

>>13497545

He was a something, but they decided to drop that because they had to go back to status quo for a while for the beginning of R2.

>>13486246
It was fairly well written. Some plot points were silly and I felt like the world building was a bit unsophisticated for the level of ambition geass apparently had but the main leads were excellent by anime standards. A shame most people were too young/retarded when they first watched it to absorb those parts.

Strictly speaking of the first season, by the way.

>>13482903
it's both and neither at the same time.

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For fun, point out the obvious similarities between Code Geass and V for Vendetta and watch the CG fans rage.

>>13501464
>It was fairly well written.
Stopped reading there

>>13501138
New Getter team?

>>13497545
>>13497576
He was superhuman but explaining it in the middle of nowhere wouldn't really make a difference. Just trivia.

>>13501464
I'd say some of that applies to the 2nd, thought that does have more actual issues to deal with. The leads were still fine though.

>>13502065
It's true. Just overstated though There are similarities, but several are indicental. Like the million Zero thing, which might as well have been taken from Spartacus. V has a lot of stuff in common with Zero, but also with certain takes on Batman, for instance, and neither of those last two were really promoting anarchsim. Same with Suzaku becoming the new Zero, that's happened with Batman too.

>>13502268
Okay shitposter-kun. You're probably one of the "people were too young/retarded when they first watched it to absorb those parts" I was talking about.

>>13486853
>ZR made perfect sense to me, I just disagreed with Zero deciding to do it.
Why? Who else do you think would be better for the role?

Did Lelouch """die""" a virgin?

Season 1 was fun as fuck. R2 pissed the ever-living fuck out of me. Why did they make Season 2 like that?

>>13507122
Execs wanting new viewers to tune in to the show, mainly.

>>13507140
I don't know which Season 2 pissed me off more: R2 or 00's.

>>13482903
I AM NOT ORANGE! ZERO!

>>13486300

Legendary post. Gave /m/ a good ass fucking.

At least Destiny has politics and a character arc. Code Geass is basically just spectacle.

>>13507268
If Orange was so irrationally loyal, why did he let Lelouch kill himself?

>>13486546

Why is Code Geass praised when it has bad writing?

>BECAUSE NOBODY TAKES IT SERIOUSLY!

Why is Gundam Destiny shamed for having bad writing, then?

>BECAUSE WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY!

/m/ is fucking idiots.

>>13507296

Cause suicide is honorable and all that.

>>13507293
>Legendary post.
>Copy pasta full of hyperbole and stuff that's not a writing issue.

Code Geass actually has a better character arc, so you're full of it.

>>13507303
Why is G-Reco praised when it has bad writing?

>BECAUSE NOBODY TAKES IT SERIOUSLY!

Why is Aldnoah Zero shamed for having bad writing, then?

/m/ is fucking idiots

>>13507178
Neither. I came around to both of them by the end. I didn't like the 00 movie though.

>>13507303
Because, believe it or not, Geass and Destiny are very different shows. If the presence of "bad" writing was enough to make everything the same and make people unviersally hate on something, then a lot of /m/ classics would be loathed to death.

It's about half and half.

>>13507296
Respecting someone's wishes is part of being loyal.

>>13486300
>>If I were to order you to kill all the Japanese...
This was set up earlier on.
>>You may have killed my powers , erase my memories and then I winded up having my memories erased again and having them restored just when I was about to remember again...I still love you
How are you this autistic?
>>I'm trying to kill God so I can start the instrumentality project so that all of humanity will be one
This isn't bad writing, it's just stupid. Isn'y it only natural that Charles' reveal makes him out to be the same self-destructive tyrant that Zero is?
>>Zero was not who he seems to be! He's actually a prince of britannia there's no reason for us to rust him in fact we should trust this other prince of brintainia with this clearly undoctored evidence against him who cares if he's the only reason we even survived up to this point and went from a rag tag group of terrorists to leading an army of the entire world
You almost have a point, except for how fucking shifty Zero was acting, and how everybody had stopped trusting him.
>>I'm gonna give this unstable man an ability to cancel geass effects but only for key moments otherwise its worthless WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG
Firstly: Orange was a victim of Geass, so it's natural that he'd want revenge. In fact, that was his whole thing for like 3/4ths of the series. This makes him the perfect candidate for any "get revenge on Geass assholes" experiments. Also, because he was a main character.
Secondly: Where else would he have used his anti-Geass?
>So why is it that its okay to shit on GSD for its bad writing but not for Geass?
Because GSD didn't have a charismatic MC with a suffering boner; it had a righteous, hypocritical moralfag.

>>13510193
Hey its that same autistic Geassfag who defends every aspect about it.

>>13510200
>pointing out bullshit makes you autistic
Stick to A/Z newfag

>>13510200
Better than the same autistic Geasshater who attacks every aspect of it.

>>13482903
Dumb

>>13510325

Why are Geass fans so insecure?

>>13486300
Because geass had 1000% better character chemistry.

>>13482903
Dumb

>>13482903
Clever