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http://www.startrek.com/article/new-star-trek-series-premieres-january-2017

New Trek series coming, Kurtzman is producer. I'm still hype, what about you /m/?
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I'm hype and ready to watch it, unless they announce either of the following
>We're bringing on JJ Abrams to direct
>We're going in a new, less Trek-ey direction
>the phrase "darker and more mature" is used in a press release
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It's gonna launch CBS' new streaming service, at 10 dollars a month. So, it's fucking dead on arrival. Those CBS assfags had to kill this series on arrival to once again try and boost their dumb attempts at self importance instead of just making a deal with Netflix or Hulu.

It'll be Voyager and UPN all over again, except worse.
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I'll wait and see where and when it's set to start getting excited.
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>>13446294
Pretty much this.

Also depends on if its in the Prime universe or the JJ verse.

If not prime I'm pretty much dropping it there. But I doubt they'd do a series outside the prime universe so I'm not to worried.
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Star Trek as a franchise is pretty much dead anyway. This will just be a desperate attempt to wrangle in the last few people who have any hopes at all for Trek after the disaster that was Into Darkness.
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>>13446310
I'll be surprised if it isn't reboot universe, but I hope it's not the original movie cast.
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>>13446312
>>13446318
Won't be the JJverse since Paramount has exclusive rights to that. They wouldn't even let Star Trek Online use their Connie redesign for a cash shop ship, so I can't see them letting CBS use the entire setting.
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>>13446318
I'm 90% sure it's gonna be another round of Kirk and Spock, since it seems like the CBS/Paramount execs are afraid that people won't know if it's Star Trek if it's not the original characters.
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>>13446336
Ah I didn't know that so that's good.

>>13446294
This as well any of that and yeah not interested. I'm not really excited so much as curious at this point.
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>>13446294
>We're going in a new, less Trek-ey direction
Sounds like we're safe-ish from that possibility at least.
>The brand-new Star Trek will introduce new characters seeking imaginative new worlds and new civilizations, while exploring the dramatic contemporary themes that have been a signature of the franchise since its inception in 1966.
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>>13446356
Well, not to ruin the magic but that's pretty much what 1966 Trek did.
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>>13446360
>that have been a signature of the franchise since its inception in 1966.
...
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bets

pre tos, in between the movies and tng era, or post nemesis?

dream cast?
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I'm glad. It means people will stop saying that Enterprise is the worst series.
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>>13446336
So the shit between CBS and Paramount is still going on after 10 years? How funny.
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>>13446782
Definitely not pre-tos after the failure of Enterprise.

>>13446803
Bermanga and Enterprise killed Trek.

Abrams just raped the corpse.
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>>13446840
>Bermanga and Enterprise killed Trek.

Voyager killed trek. Enterprise just failed to perform adequate CPR.
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Enterprise isn't really that bad. It's just not particularly good, either. And it's kind of repetitive. Every episode is just Archer and a random other crew member going down to a planet and getting kidnapped and/or imprisoned.
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>>13446864
They could have revived it if they fired those two hacks. The last season of Ent was decent once Braga stopped being the main contributor for storylines. It's just by then people got tired of Ent by then.
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>>13446782
Nah, Mega Drive.
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I am dreading this new show. I am dreading it for one simple reason.
You can't make a continuation of a new series now a days without it just being nothing but "call backs and references". It's going to be a glorified clip show/homage hour of previous storylines and characters. That is my worst case scenario dooms day prediction.
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>>13446782
Post Nemesis. Probably either before or during STO so they can cross-promote the shit out of them.
Or maybe a little afterwards so the series can write the new plot and STO just rides along with easy updates from it.

I think it'd be cool if it followed Captain Shon.
Season 1 could take place aboard the USS Belfast, and the season could end with the Dominion attack on Facility 4028 and the destruction of the Belfast.
Season 2 begins with the crew's reassignment to the Enterprise-F and the battle to retake DS9 from the Jem'Hadar.
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>>13446782
Either they paid off Pramount with tons of money and got the alternate universe, or it's post-Nemesis.
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>>13447280
*Paramount
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>>13447249

That could work, ish, but it'd also force them into a canon player, ship class and ship name, which isn't gonna happen.
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Okay, so
>black or female captain, maybe both
>a character that is defined by their unique take on gender identity issues
>no ferengis, as they represent bad stereotypes of jewish people; or they will be re-imagined to just portray men extremely negatively
>Jonathan Frakes brought in to guest direct when it begins to tank, as a desperate attempt to bring in the older fans
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It's easy to be negative about this, but I'm just going to refrain from thinking anything about it until it actually airs.
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>>13446294
>the phrase "darker and more mature" is used in a press release
Oh fuck, this most of all. Having the old standard of Trek's social commentary on an optimistic and lighter platform is exactly what we need right now.

>inb4 Tumblr: The Show shitposting
I think CBS knows better, even with the platform experiment.

>>13447308
All in all, this is true. And no matter what my option I'm going to watch until second season, because Trek has this really bad habit of shitty first seasons.
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>>13447308
Anything?

So you won't even think maple cats about it?
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You guys are freaking out way too much.
Reboots of campy sixties shows always turn out not shit.
Just look at Doctor Who.

I hope you like your half gay half black cast of Star Trek.
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>>13447355
>Doctor Who
A fitting analogy really, as long as they bring up a good writer and it's not 100% doomed to a Netflix clone I'm not going to buy this will go well.

Moffat and Clara still need to go though, Capaldi's wasted on them both.
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>all this whining about race
Nothing worse than pretentious nerds who have learned literally nothing from Star Trek.
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>>13447395
4chan's not exactly what Roddenberry had hoped for the future
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>>13447425

It's at least part of the future: Don't matter on 4chan if you're black, white, yellow or red, male or female. We hate everyone equally.
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>>13447395
>learned literally nothing from Star Trek.
I learned from Gene.
Black chicks are good to work as your space secretary as long as they fuck you behind the scenes.
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>>13447455
Name a single person on the Enterprise that WASN'T fucking Kirk behind the scenes.
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>>13447455
>When Laqueisha brings homemade fried chicken to share for lunch, and then later that day gives you a quick blowjob before she has to go pick up her kids from school
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>>13447294
Could go with ONE OF MANY 'Canon' players. Hell, actually getting one of the players as their character to show up on the show as an extra would be cool.
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>>13447468
no hatefuck do not count
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>>13447455
>"I am totally opposed to the mixing of the races. However, any time a red-blooded American boy like Captain Kirk gets a beautiful dame in his arms that looks like Uhura, he ain't gonna fight it."
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>>13447488

That would only work if it was some kind of completely fair lottery, no contest or anything. Just put your name in, done. Nothing else.
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>>13447488
>>13447500
Different ships and canon player characters every episode would be pretty neat to show the many sides of the fleet.
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>>13447500
>they draw the names in a live event
>winner is Lieutenant Commander JHONNY of the USS LASERKILL, who is a 3-foot tall pink-skinned alien with coral on his head
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>>13447506

True enough.

>>13447515

You'd get a riot going if the captain had to be a rational species. Everyone would be screaming.
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Well hopefully the new captain won't be a fuck up like Archer.
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>>13447506
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>>13447539
I don't think anyone is going to know. Cause no one is going to buy a sub to CBS's shit streaming service.
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>>13447692
I hope and pray
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>>13446782
I wouldn't mind it being post Romulous and the Romulan Star Empire getting BTFO by that super nova.

The Dominion really shook up the power balance in the Alpha quadrant, I'd like to see how one of the big players just vanishing in the course of a day does it.

Yeah, I know STO had some stuff dealing with that. Never got to play, never will get to play. So it might as well not exist for me. Plus games are always secondary canon anyway.

Plus I like the tech in that era the most for some reason. We could potentially see the beginning of a lot of stuff that leads to the time travel shit of the Enterprise-J and those time ships from VOY.

But most of all I just want to see a future in television I would actually want to live in again.

>>13446309
Now would it be an exclusive to that service or would is just be available there as it airs on CBS?
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>>13447455
You forgot to post that comic, faggot.
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Is Enterprise even worse than Voyager?
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>>13447875
The lowest lows of Enterprise is no where as bad as Threshold or even Nelix episodes.
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>>13447878
this

The MACOs were pretty allright
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>>13447875
The real question is can Star Trek get even worse than Enterprise, Voyager and Into Darkness
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>>13447875

It gets close, but it's over all just a bit better. Half a point, but still better.
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So, aside from the obvious (good writing, actually speculative sci-fi, action mixed in just the right amounts to be exciting without taking away from the show being primarily about the characters, and so on), what do you want? Little things that you won't miss if they aren't there, but that would make the show just that much better for you.

For me?

Sexy Klingon woman as a main character.
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>>13446318
>movie cast.
Not possible. Getting that many Hollywoods to do TV is just not happening. We can safely assume it's a new cast of actors, if nothing else.

Still. Hopes status: not up.
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>>13447904

A complete, sensible deckplan of the entire ship, deck by deck. Additional material of course, but it would make me rock hard.
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It's gonna be renegades without the old actors bad.
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>>13447904
The lead starship takes after an aircraft carrier, with runabout swarms every few episodes where the budget permits.

I really need to get back into BSG.
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>>13447249
>STO
Pretty sure STO will have to be mostly decanonised. (Though I'm sure it could still serve as inspiration for stories.) A Star Fleet wherein you can choose your own uniform is just silly. And nobody will miss what they did with Species 8472.
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>>13447928
Brit detected
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>>13447796
>Never got to play, never will get to play.
It IS free, you know.
I mean, I got bored both times I tried it but it's not like it is difficult to try.
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>>13447928
As dumb as it was, I had a lot of fun going around the galaxy as a Starfleet captain in cyber armor with two Klingon disruptor pistols.
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>>13447938
Your detector is broken. Many countries speak the Queen's English, Amerikek.
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>>13447957
Well yeah, that stuff works for a game. I'm not saying it's bad. Just that you can't allow it to be a thing on TV. In "real Trek".
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>>13447886
Yes. We can have Space Lincoln writing on every single episode.
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>>13447950
I live out in the sticks. I've tried playing, my connection is not good enough and it's the best available where I live. In fact it's the only ISP here. For the past decade I've heard both people working in the store and other people that get internet from them spout "they're gonna upgrade next year!" and then nothing happens, we don't even have 3G here.
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>>13447978
Wow, it's not often I hear internet horror stories that make me happy for the decaying Australian copper phone lines and glorious 6 megabit sync speed.

I'm sorry for your (packet) loss.
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>>13447962
Britkek confirmed.
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>>13447962
>>13448351
>having english as a first language

How's that 3rd world shit hole you're living in, faggots?
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>>13447515
>>13447520

ROFLMAO

Also, free Enterprise bundle until Wednesday morning due to this. Not like anyone didn't have it in-game, but still.
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>>13448366
Best in the world desu senpai
Enjoying those immigrants?
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>>13448475
>Also, free Enterprise bundle until Wednesday morning due to this.
yo, if I started STO, what should I do
any particular servers to join? to avoid?
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>>13448475
>ROFLMAO
Haven't seen this one for a while. Does my heart good to see something different from the normal 4chan memewords.
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>>13448502

There's like only one server IIRC.

Also, you get 3 character slots, one for Fed, one Rom, one KDF. Build them wisely, there's a ton of online guides for this, and if you join a good fleet there'll usually be tons of high-level fleetmates giving you good advice.

Finally, NO RAINBOW/SKITTLE BOATS. I swear to God, your DPS is too low for patrol missions let alone Elite STFs, GTFO my queues. Fucking noobs.
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>>13448543
>NO RAINBOW/SKITTLE BOATS.
is that like a sparkledog?
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>>13447442
We tend to hate Jews more though.
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oh yeah, I already had an account
I wonder if that Ferengi I rolled is still there
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>>13448574
I assure you my antisemitism is highly ironical.
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>>13448571

Basically if you mix beam/cannon energy types on your ship, it drains enough weapon energy that your DPS (damage per second) will suck badly. It's called rainbows and skittles because of the multicolored beams/cannon bolts. Since high-level, team-based STF missions are all about DPS, your teammates will hate the shit out of you because you can't pull your own weight and the mission will usually fail badly, wasting everyone's time (about 15-30 minutes) for little or no reward. And probably ship damage which will have to be repaired later.

When you can't kill a low-level STF mob in your high-level ship because your DPS is all rainbowed or skittled to nothing, it's everyone's problem.
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>The brand-new Star Trek will introduce new characters seeking imaginative new worlds and new civilizations, while exploring the dramatic contemporary themes that have been a signature of the franchise since its inception in 1966.

>dramatic contemporary themes
Probably going to be pretty spooky and skeletony.
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>>13448571
your ship has 6-8 weapon slots on it, so you can equip various weapons and a ton of energy weapon types, skittleboats generally mix all sorts of energy types, which usually leaves the ship with less damage, but a multitude of different effects, shooting out various different coloured beams in a 'taste the rainbow!' manner. DPS purists usually ragequit at the sight of them because muh optimisation. skittleboats are usually just a symptom of a shitty player, not the cause, as you can do a lot of damage in a skittleboat still if you know what you're doing.
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>>13448663
I dunno. Shooting a bunch of rave lasers sounds pretty cool.
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>>13448646
/tv/ believes it'll be sjw fodder.

given the emphasis of this in america, it looks like a possibility.
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Do we have any info on the staff?
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>>13448676
Finally, a transgender Captain.
Been too long.
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>>13448688
Just that JewJew Abrams and his film cohorts will be execs.
So nothing.
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>>13448673
it's fun as hell, and some people get mad as hell over your mere presence, even when i'm doing more damage than them
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>>13448663

>skittleboat
>knows what they're doing

Those don't go together if you run any STFs after 1800 PST, especially in Cure Space or any normal. All expensive T5-T6 C-store ships too; at least the game ain't pay to win, because no matter how much cash you spend in-game, if you're a permanoob you're still fucked in high-level content.
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>>13448693
Well there was that one episode of ToS?
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>>13448720
>muh optimisations!
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>>13448628
That Klingon is Gundam.
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Dorkly I have posted in these in threads with you for several years now and I may not be glorious leader but please heed my advice. STO is terrible. Since an expansion called Delta Rising was released the game became a never ending grind where the build you would like to use will never be within your grasp. Do not let the games early quick level ups deceive you.

The vitriol was so bad on the forums that the majority of people with more than a thousand posts either got banned or just gave up on the game.

In the time leading up to the expansions release and its settlement period the developers got caught lying multiple times about policy, bug fixes, and responses to the players.

The game is so filled with bugs that one thing or another will stop you from playing several times per week. The game currently has a bug where it freezes on a loading screen, which necessitates a restart. The Mac version is 100% broken right now and when you could play it that analysis would probably not change much. A memory leak went years without being fixed and did not get patched until reddit very specifically complained about it and some other bugs. /STOG/ universally called the games code Vulcan Jenga because when one thing got fixed another broke. Cryptic servers are shit and get DDOSED almost monthly.

You are probably already in the game and feeling that first thrill of using your favorite ships in combat but please at least trust me on this, the game is not worth any money and it is not worth more than a casual play through of each faction.
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>>13448755

I'm just saying I've never, EVER seen a skittleboat that could even do like 1k DPS. Maybe I just play at the wrong times, but I've never seen ONE skittleboat player that could do enough DPS to be worthwhile.

I think the ones I've seen must reduce their weapon power because MUH SHIELDS or MUH ENGINES. Only way to explain their insanely low DPS.
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Since we're on the topic of STO; when Cryptic bugged out a few weeks ago and sent out a bunch of promo codes to the wrong people, I got a free T6 Exploration Cruiser.
Now, I've mostly played Escorts aside from a short stint with the Connie at the beginning, so how do I make the most out of this happy little accident? What sort of gear should I be kitting it out with?
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>>13446885

The sad part is both settings had so much potential.
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>>13446294
>>the phrase "darker and more mature" is used in a press release

inb4 stargate universe mk2

I bet we get a hamfisted attempt at addressing a social issue from the modern world in the first season.
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>>13448767
>The vitriol was so bad on the forums that the majority of people with more than a thousand posts either got banned or just gave up on the game.

Sounds like every other trek forum out there.
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>>13448767

I tried to play awhile ago.

Thank god they block my country.
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>>13448767

>>where the build you would like to use will never be within your grasp.

That part I actually have to disagree with. Given that no significant gear is hidden behind random drops(unlike most other MMOs) the only thing standing between you and your build is how much time you want to spend getting it. I've gotten 8 toons so far over the past year to 60, all with different builds and focuses. Not all of them may be good enough to run Elites, but meh, those're no different from Normals other than bigger numbers and optionals that no longer are.

As for the rest, the grind is still there, but it's not any worse than grinding out Valor points or daily quests etc on WoW in my experience, unless you try and hardcore rush-grind XP for spec points. The only major bug I've run into is a memory leak and crash that's been there for me since Season 10 dropped(but fair point on Mac players getting screwed).

Maybe they just got their act together better, since you obviously quit back before I started? Either way, give it a try, see for yourself, and then decide is all I have to say.
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>>13448860

I still don't know what anyone was thinking when they did SGU. None of the charm or fun that SG-1 or Atlantis had was there.
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>>13448965

I think they were trying to make another Battlestar Gallactica.

The reboot did well, and they kept trying to revive it with Caprica and stuff, but it never caught.

"Stargate: Atlanits - The Adventures of Rodmey McKay" is still by far my favorite SF show though.
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>>13447796
STO is actually supposed to be primary canon in the main universe -- that's what they've claimed anyway. They've had some good storylines.
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>>13449113
Not quite that, but best I recall it's worked itself together to fit into canon as best it can.

I would be interested in if a new show tries to run a few storylines based on the Romulan split, would be neat to see them tackle a thing like the new Romulan Republic's founding. Though I'm 90% sure they'd try to make some kind of current events commentary using it. Ooh, and then there was that Devidians subplot, that was neat. That's probably prime adaptation material.
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>>13448944
>no significant gear is hidden behind random drops
Crafting is making your own random drops and that's how you get most of the games weapons (and the best weapons). Upgrading is the only alternative to crafting and the mod awards on your items are random.
>maybe they just got their act together
I'm still playing and they haven't. I don't care about how shit WOWs grind is. I'm talking about how this used to be a nice game with huge potential.
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You know what, I'm normally pesimistic about this shit and it lets me not be dispointed. This Time I'm going to be honest with myself and be excited.

>>13447297
I'm fine with a black captain. Sisko was great.
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>>13447904
I just want a second DS9. Is that too much to ask?
ENT could have been that.
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>>13447904
Can I have a War. I love wars in sci-fi material.
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Why not an alien for a captain? Part of the series then would be about an alien dealing with the human condition, finding himself both very different and not-so-different along the way. The only problem is contriving a scenario where an alien that has not spent a lot of time at a Starfleet academy would be in charge of a starship. Alternatively it could be set on an entirely alien vessel rather than another saucerboat with human crew tagging along for the ride.
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>>13449331
That's because he got shit done and had no problem betraying the principles he claimed to uphold if the ends justified the means displaying blatant hypocrisy on a staggering level.

Compare his vendetta against Eddington to what he did in In the Pale Moonlight or having no problem with anything Section 31 did unless it had to do with them killing Odo.

>Mum uniform.
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>>13449331
>>13449697
Sisko was never defined by his blackness. It was still an important part of his character when it was relevant like in Far Beyond the Stars, but it hardly ever defined who he was. Sisko was more of a Greek tragic hero compared to gentlemanly Picard or cowboy Kirk. (Even then, he was pretty far in the good camp, even when he did questionable shit he was always struggling over it.) Contrast to Janeway or Archer, who never really had consistently written characters and just felt all over the place in their command decisions.
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>>13449736
If his father was any indication, he was taught where he "came from". Even the setting from the episode you named reflects that. And with the whole prophet thing, it literally picked one of the few people who'd be super-empathetic in the far far future with their worshippers and the whole inherent civil rights issues.
I agree fully, being black doesn't define him, and you can have everything still apply with any other race.
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>>13446294
>the phrase "darker and more mature" is used in a press release
I'd be ok if we get something more like DS9's under a pale moonlight. not for the whole show but a bit more of that
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>>13449674
Very unlikely, mostly due to the captain generally being viewed as the main character and writers/execs worrying about audience engagement if you stray too far from something readily relatable. Closest we'd probably get to that is an alien XO a bit more exotic than usual.
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>>13446283
I hate to beat a dead horse, but I have a lot of misgivings about this. Not just about the kind of social commentary a modern Star Trek series would try to handle, but about how a Star Trek series could function in today's television climate.

These days when everyone wants to play it safe, where every show has to include some sort of overblown mystery or who's screwing who largely drives the plot, I'm not sure a new series could survive for very long. I also doubt being relegated to a subscription service is going to do much for the quality, especially one attached to a network that helped contribute to the decay of primetime television.
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>>13448758

Funnily, that was what I said when I first saw it... and Dorkly, join us... if you can resist the lure of dpstardism and build for fun, you can have a great time
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>>13448860
>I bet we get a hamfisted attempt at addressing a social issue from the modern world in the first season.

So you're betting it'll be Star Trek?
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>>13449113
Listen, Star Trek in one way is like Gundam. Unless it's a TV show, movie, or OVA(Or whatever the western equivalent of this is) then it's not primary canon. Games, books, comics, etc are secondary canon and while a lot of that stuff is cool it can be easily over written by some who ever's making this new show because they had no idea that secondary material existed. At best STO is just some alt universe that split from the main universe the moment the thing started. If this new show has something that conflicts with information shown in STO guess which they're going to go with and say is canon?
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>>13450100
What you describe is basically what the Abrams movies did to the "primary canon" including the original source material too. In many ways the Abrams movies establishes a precedent there is nothing that can't be written off at a latter date for some other director or writer's convenience.
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>>13447904
We need Q back.
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>>13450179
But this time, he's canon gay and starts out sucking the captain's cock.

Tranny cock.
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>>13450216
>implying Q isn't the trans person
Missy was a good idea after all.
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>>13450216
He's also black. And has a disability.
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>>13446312
>he hates the JJ verse outright

ffs man, are you fucking stupid
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>>13448810
oh yeah, there are definite retards in the queues that use skittle boats, but that's usually just a symptom, not the main cause, other ones are stuff like 20 ship injuries, and being in a 'LGBTABBQ of starfleet elite 1st original' fleet
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So alongside Trek, Evil Dead, and the rest of old things coming back, whatever's happening with MST3k is happening more.
some guy on reddit said
>I've been checking the Minnesota Business Registry every few months, at least since the official site closed. Nothing changed for awhile...until now! Behold! "Best Brains, Inc." is now listed as a Prior Minnesota Business Name!
https://mblsportal.sos.state.mn.us/Business/BusinessSearch?BusinessName=Best%20Brains&IncludePriorNames=True&Status=Active&Type=BeginsWith
>Is is now...drumroll...
https://mblsportal.sos.state.mn.us/Business/SearchDetails?filingGuid=4fc2b357-b1d4-e011-a886-001ec94ffe7f
>Consolidated Puppets Incorporated!

Joel tweeted
>People of Earth: please join me in an upcoming Reddit AMA for news about Turkey Day 2015 and the future of @mst3k. Nov 10 @ 4pm ET.

and Rifftrax is now selling old MST3k episodes
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>>13450370
> the possibility that MST3K might return
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>>13447190
This. It'll either be fanwank and references for the Such a Nerd crowd or a grimdark nuBSG/SGU style soap opera for the So Mature crowd
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>>13450466
Speaking of SGU, anyone have that pic regarding why the best girls died/underutilized while the writers kept glorifying the blandest girl?
I saw it posted around 2012 and I regret I didn't get to save it.
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>>13450424
Strongly doubt it, there's to much of a divide in philosophy of what should be mocked between the Joel and Mike camp. With the former wanting to stick strictly with old films while the latter having no problem moving onto more modern movies if you look at what RiffTrax and Cinematic Titanic do.

Also there can only be one human on the SoL too.
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>>13450221
But anon, muh inertia dampeners don't work that way!!! This is really important for some reason!!!
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>>13450221
Oh why would you hate the JJ verse?
Right because both movies that were in it were fucking terrible.
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>>13450370
>RiffTrax is selling MST3K episodes
>MST3K itself may even return
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>>13450521
Joel's been talking about doing a revival for a couple of years now.
Granted "Joel's been talking about" and "thing is happening" are two very different concepts, but it's not like he needs Mike for it or anything.
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>>13450604
>Right because both movies that were in it were fucking terrible.
3/4 of the TNG movies were terrible too, but the series was good.
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>>13450621
Problem is JJverse didn't have a series. I always thought that was a stupid idea too; the original universe was spread across all kinds of media and made things more fun to watch because of it.

Even Into Shityness would've been better if it had some TV weight behind it, it was certainly a factor with WoK.
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>>13450672
WoK was only good because Roddenberry wasn't allowed to work on it.
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>>13450699
>V was only good because Roddenberry wasn't allowed to work on it.
FTFY
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>>13450621
Well if there was a tv series in the universe that would be different. But that universe only HAS 2 movies and both were garbage.
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>>13450749
>Star Trek V: Lets Find God
>good
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>>13450749
Really, reason Wrath of Khan was so good was they brought in an outsider to handle the entire thing. Don't remember his name but he's also the one that thought of killing Spock since he had no attachment to the characters. Everytime someone said "we can't do that" he just replied with "sure we can!"
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>>13450782
climbing rocks and kicking gods in the dick are two very important parts of TOS that had gone unrepresented in the movies until then
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>>13450609
The bigger problem is getting the crew back together since it's pretty much split between the old and new guard of MST3K. All the old guys like


Joel had Trace Beaulieu, Elvis Weinstein, Frank Conniff and Mary Jo Pehl. Meanwhile you got Mike Nelson, Kevin Murphy and Bill Corbett. Also we have no idea what will happen with Jim Mallon or if he buried the hatchet with Joel since their fighting was what caused Joel to leave in the first place. Granted Cinematic Titanic has gone under so Joel might be going to Mike and his group to get something working and then get as many of the old crew back for the project.

All hypothetical.


>>13450787
Nicholas Meyer, the big thing that made him successful was he watched the entire original series to get a feel for it, and that's where he picked up on Khan after seeing Space Seed. The writers also came up with a fucked up script, with Meyers basically rewrote from scratch in 12 or 13 days. When he wanted to kill Spock, everyone else just went 'You can't do that!', but it ended up being the only way to get Nimoy on board after the first movie bombed.

He's also the reason we have the stronger military/naval themes in II and IV.

Although him doing his homework was the ultimate reason why the movie was successful, as opposed to Nemesis where they brought on Stuart Baird, a director who had nothing to do with the series and he just winged it. And it showed.

>>13450831
Also singing Row, row, row your boat around a camp fire. And having Nichelle Nichols dance naked while singing on top of a sand dune were areas that no man has gone before.
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>>13447928
>A Star Fleet wherein you can choose your own uniform is just silly
It did happened before
It was called Andromeda
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>>13450870
what Joel's said so far sounds like new cast, Joel and maybe Jim producing, but it's looking more like Jim isn't very involved

and really who the fuck _needs_ Mike and the RT crew for anything. They're pretty set in their "low hanging fruit" mode with RT.
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>>13450934
It's more of a matter of re-consolidating the old fanbase by having as many of the old cast return which would increase the odds of getting more people to watch the early episodes and create something to build off of as opposed to only getting the Joel faction to watch it while the people who followed Mike's group continue to just watch Rifftrax.
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>>13450961
meh
that's like saying Casino Royale should have worried about the Roger Moore fanbase
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>>13450968
Apples and Oranges really due to how vast the James Bond franchise is. MST3K is a lot more specialized and divide between Mike and Joel fans is real.
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>>13450982
>divide between Mike and Joel fans is real.
between Satellite News and forrestcrow I've seen no great movement of "Mike has to be in it or I won't watch"
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>>13450982
>MST3K is a lot more specialized and divide between Mike and Joel fans is real.
That's like people arguing about the dude from blues clues.
Only autists care.
The main attraction of MST3K has always been the riffing.
As long as they have Crow and Tom Servo, then it will be MST3K enough.

But more importantly, why is this in a Star Trek thread?
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>>13451039
They probably still want to cover all possible bases. If you want to bring an old fanbase back to watch a new incarnation of the thing they're a fan of then you'll want to appeal to as many of them as you can.

>>13451069
>Only autists care.

And only autists are in fandoms.
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>>13446283
inb4 prematurely cancelled
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>>13451069
>That's like people arguing about the dude from blues clues.
Mike replaced Joel after Joel overdosed on heroin and died
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>>13451110
How do people even get into heroin? Doesn't seem fun at all.
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>>13446782
I'm betting post nemesis. I see them totally throwing everything STO out of the window and starting a new sequence of events. Likely with a future Enterprise. (think 1701-G)

However, I wouldn't mind if they decided to go back to the decades between the end of The Undiscovered Country and the start of TNG. It was supposedly a huge time of exploration and tech advancement. Plus the Excelsior class came into its own and supplanted the old Constitution class.

I would even be ok if the reboot universe was used, but supposedly JJ and bad robot have a death grip on everything nutrek.
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>>13451127
>The Undiscovered Country and the start of TNG. It was supposedly a huge time of exploration and tech advancement. Plus the Excelsior class came into its own and supplanted the old Constitution class.
further adventuress of 1701-B might be cool
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>>13451127
What if it's a new reboot universe? Not JJ's but not Prime's either?
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>>13451155
Aye, It would be fun to see. Set it a few years after Generations to explain away any refits and crew rotations and you have a ship that was in service for decades. (and whose final fate has never been revealed in canon)

>>13451160
HIGHLY doubt we will see another reboot universe anytime soon. It would be far to confusing to casual audiences.
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>>13451039
Well, there's also the variable of the other actors shitting on the show depending on their current relationship. So Joel could at least make sure that while Mike and company aren't involved, they won't do anything either positive, or negative to affect it.


>>13451127
>the Excelsior class came into its own and supplanted the old Constitution class
Shame it got completely shit on by the time DS9 came out. Yes, it was technologically obsolete, but considering it was such a work horse, they'd be able to upgrade it enough to hold its own in the dominion war instead of always seeing it get one shot and the saucer section denigrating.

>>13451155
As long as they use the classy II-VI uniforms and not that ugly hybrid you saw the Enterprise C crew using.
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>>13451193
>So Joel could at least make sure that while Mike and company aren't involved, they won't do anything either positive, or negative to affect it.
Given that they apparently just worked out a deal where they're getting residuals of some sort after all these years I don't think there's any real ill will between the two camps.
>As long as they use the classy II-VI uniforms and not that ugly hybrid you saw the Enterprise C crew using.
Hell yeah, Frasier knew what was up.
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I'm betting it'll be set really long after Nemesis. (80-100 years minimum)

I expect a lot of fancy looking bridge/ship sets and totally new uniforms.

Probably on a new Enterprise.
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>>13451232
>fancy looking bridge/ship sets

This is one of the things that I'm really looking forward to. Especially with the improvements LCD and HD screens have made since the end of Enterprise. Lot of awesome potential interactive control console moments.

If the Okudas aren't already on board they need to be signed up ASAP. I want to see a continuity in design.
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>>13451209
>Given that they apparently just worked out a deal where they're getting residuals of some sort after all these years I don't think there's any real ill will between the two camps.
As long as everyone gets their cut, everyone is happy.

>Hell yeah, Frasier knew what was up.
He got into the time loop right before the uniforms went to shit. Of course the later TNG movie and late DS9 uniforms are the 2nd best.
Hopefully they don't cock them up if this is going to be in the future.
Also, speaking of the Bozman were older spaceship hauls just hardier? Both warp nacelle racked against each other, but it was only the Enterprise that was destroyed.
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>>13451315
>were older spaceship hauls just hardier? Both warp nacelle racked against each other, but it was only the Enterprise that was destroyed.

Honestly, it seems so.

In inner fan-fiction says that it's probably something like the newer ships nacelles being more fragile because of desires to reach higher warp speeds. Also greatly improved shield systems. (Lets be real the ships of Kirks day were able to take much more of a beating without shields compared to TNG and beyond ships)
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>>13447190
>>13450466
Ugh this so much, everything is written by fanboys kowtowing to their own nostalgia now instead of writers with the balls to do something fresh and interesting.
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>>13451193
DS9 was one of the best things that happened to the excelsior class. An excelsior one shots a Cardassian turret and the upgraded one went toe to toe with the defiant.
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>>13446808
US entertainment industry exces act like 3 year olds throwing tantrums. News at eleven.
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Can I trade for a show about a Teran Empire spock didn't fuck up doing terrible things and boldly conquering new worlds and enslaving new civilizations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uORfwJ0-SGM
enterprise would have been a better show if it was in a mirror darkly all the time.
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>>13451261
>large sized touch screens actually exist now and are commonplace
man, that'll make some designer's job easier and a programmer's job harder on this show
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>>13450370
>possibly new MST3K
>new Star Trek
>new X-Files
>new Toho Godzilla next summer (by the dude who wrote Evangelion and the dude who did the SFX for the Attack on Titan movie)
ARE WE ENTERING A GOLDEN AGE?
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>>13451155

Man. I watched TUC again after not seeing it since its original rotations on HBO as a kid. The cinematography and all the extended takes as the handheld-but-not-shakey camera follows the cast around are fucking boner-inducing. It's arguably my favorite TOS movie. If we only got a late 80s/early 90s Takei for a Captain Sulu series/movie I'd pop like a million boners. If they could get rid of some of the dumb shit like Uhura not knowing Klingon it'd be perfect.
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>>13448944
>toons
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>>13452772
>all rehashes
NO WE ARE IN THE BRONZE AGE
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>>13451118
How do people get into smoking? It isn't fun at all.
People are just daft cunts, don't bother trying to find a method to madness.
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>>13451155
Can we have a ship that's not the Enterprise? That would be nice.

I know it's going to be the Enterprise again.
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>>13452509
>that'll make some designer's job easie
I don't know about that. Touchscreens are no longer futuristic. Using touchscreens would be pretty mundane. Creating something that looks like the far future to a 2017 audience sounds like hard work to me. I hope they succeed. I'll be bitterly disappointed if we get LCARS 2.0. I'll take buttons and knobs over that.
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>>13454672
>How do people get into smoking? It isn't fun at all.
>implying
Heroin is a different ball game, broster
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>>13454732
Do you ignore points on purpose?
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>>13454679
>Voyager
No
Not even twice.
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>>13454762
Maybe your "point" is stupid. Ever think of that?
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>>13454679
>Why do they always put Gundams in Gundam, can't they be more creative?
This is you
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>>13453276
Welcome to best movie club. Uhura not knowing klingon made for the movies funniest scene IMO. I like to pretend she considered herself a women of peaceful languages.
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Would you watch this?
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>>13454702
Holographic interfaces with floating controls? There's not much else, brain interfaces don't allow much dramatic button-pushing.
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>>13454953
>Holographic interfaces with floating controls?
That is also pretty much all I can think of, but you never know what a really super creative mind may come up with. Perhaps something us sane people could never conceive.
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>>13448663

I play a skittleboat - and not just a skittle boat, a rainbow, turret only skittleboat and I can do a decent 15k on the typical parsing mission, ISA (boy is it funny when someone tries to parse shame the skittleboat and it turns out they did better than 'purist' builds)

The skittle scene is a lot better now due to the spire tactical consoles that lessen the damage difference between running a 'one flavor' ship and a rainbow type

Plus if you really need to, thanks to lockboxes and the gamblers trying to recoup losses; you can pick up turrets of the same flavour but with different beam colours - its an expensive, albeit effective workaround and can still cause as much rage
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>>13450604
oh come on, anon, the first one was amazing. The second one was the one that sucked mondo cock
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>>13450775
see
>>13455072
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>>13455082
>shit's exploding
>alien is wearing a gold uniform
RIP
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>>13446883
Ent had alot more problems than just random shit of the week. 99% of which can be laid at B and B's feet.

Christ they had an episode with the captain n doctor genociding an entire race and tried to play it off as a moral thing to do.

Then several episodes later the situation get's reversed and Archer throws a tantrum when a more advanced race refuses to save his crew while pointing out what he did with the less advanced race.

I honestly can't figure out why they didn't get someone new it to replace Bermanga before the 4th season or why for some fucking reason bring em back for the last episode.
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>current generation will be exposed to Star Trek's ideals and what it's about
>people will call it SJW
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>>13449864
The last time they claimed to be going in a more mature direction we got T'Pol's catsuit and nipples on tuckers wrists after some alien chick raped him.
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>>13456084
>tranny homo degeneracy
>fat acceptance
>doublethink hugboxes
>'civil rights'
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>>13456097
>>13456084
I'm legit interested whether ST will have actual gay shit after Berman cock-blocked it for so long.
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>>13456111
Did they confuse fat acceptance with fat embrace?
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>>13456120
>>13456097
No tranny Captain, No buy.
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>>13456111

>any of those things being a issue in a now enlightened human race that moves beyond such trivial things

I wouldn't be mad if say there is a tranny homosexual, or a fat chick, but if they make it "This very special episode" caliber of writing with those characters, then they just raped the lore at that point.
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>>13456111
I doubt trannies are even a thing in Star Trek, since you can probably just have someone reprogram the transporter to give you a full on gender change. Hasn't that happened to people before anyway?
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>>13456120
He had a pregnant Tucker with nipples on his wrist. MPreg literally so i can't see what he'd have against homo's.
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>>13456120

It's pretty damn likely one of the new cast will be gay.

Hell, If the Nutrek movies hadn't been about the TOS crew I would have expected it then.

Berman won't be able to stop it.
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>>13456192
Also considering Berman is one of the reasons Trek on TV died i can't see many people willing to listen to his shite.
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>>13456120
>>13456192

Wait, didn't DS9 have that one episode about Dax going full bi/lesbian for one of her old love interests?

Or that Riker episode where he fell in love with that one alien that came from a world of 3 genders.

I always thought Trek did LBGT stuff but it was just in the background. It wasn't used for identity politics or the sole defining feature of an individual anymore?
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>>13456207

In universe, that's probably it.

In terms of production, Berman (the main show producer) was very strict about not letting any of the writers do a character that was openly gay. (He claims it was for standards and practices reasons, but with hindsight it really looks like it might be blatant homophobia.)
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>>13454592
The bronze age of comics was awesome though.
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>>13455072
>the first one was amazing
I disagree with that assessment of the first movie.
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>>13456111
I would prefer for them to handle things like
>immigration of an intolerant species to a tolerant society
>Free speech vs safe speech
>Unacceptable ideas that will get you ostracized if you believe in them

Etc, but I do see them taking the easy path, yeah.

We live in a such a political quagmire these days, Trek will certainly have a lot of things to choose from. I just hope they don't take the PR, astroturfed route.
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>>13453276
>>13454779
Didn't actress fight over that scene and say it was out of character for her?
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>>13456178
At the very least you can have your DNA changed and shit. If they can eliminate the klingon genes in a klingon/human hybrid while it's still in the womb and it be no trouble I don't think a sex change will be too hard.
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I won't care if a member of the crew is gay or not. What I will be upset by though is if they take every opportunity to make sure you know they're gay and make a big deal out of it. Don't even mention it or anything, if there's ever a formal function show them dancing with a member of the same sex in the background, show them doing date shit in the background with a member of the same sex, but don't draw attention to it, don't make it the focus. I guess unless it happens to be that kind of episode every Trek series has where a member of the crew falls in love with some person that just got on the ship the same day I guess. Just don't do it any differently than if they were the opposite sexes.
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>>13456413
>Just don't do it any differently than if they were the opposite sexes.
>Make the captain gay
>We have more gay sex scenes then we know what to do with
>Your face when they are just a gay Kirk

Shit would be hilarious.
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>>13456178
There will probably be more inter-sex or third sex like Izana.
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>>13456413
They'll have one cast member transition MtF.
Make it his thing all season.
Always talking about it, but never part of ep. plot.
At season end, fire the guy, cast a hot girl as fully trans. character.
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>>13454897
Over and over.
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>>13456361
I only know about her actress refusing to say the guess who's coming to dinner line because it was kinda racist.
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>>13456413
>implying people know how to be subtle nowadays
That would be too classy and non-judgmental
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>>13456361

I've heard as much. By filmed history alone she was the chief communications office aboard one of the most storied ships in Federation history. She'd know the language of one of their biggest enemies of the time. If you go by all the additional shit, she ended up deep in Starfleet Intel doing spy shit and knowing everyone's dirty secrets. Not knowing Klingon is a cruel joke for her character, but it was still a funny scene, yeah.
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>>13456178
There was that ep where it bonded Tuvok and Neelix into a perfect hybrid because pollen.
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>>13456413
I don't remember if it was TNG or DS9, but on one of those they'd wanted to do something just like that. I want to say it was just an offhand mention of "his husband, but I'm not at all sure of that.

Studio canned it, of course.
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>>13458546
I know Garak's actor in DS9 wanted him to be gay and the studio wouldn't allow it.
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>>13456413
>>13456455
Dude. They already brushed against same-sex and trans shit with Dax. Just get another Trill who was a different sex in a past life.
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>>13458631
Two girls kissing, that'll really freak out the squares, oh yeah.
Revolutionary stuff.
Fight the power.
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>>13458644
Not sure what you're butt-blasted about. It's a perfect vehicle for identity issues of all sorts, that's all. And they've even used it for that in the past.

And it's a little more emotional than just a random kiss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvfJRLTNmUI
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>>13458644
And we got mother fucking modern family preaching homosexual marriage. It's a battle that's already been won, and even if it's two dudes kissing, it's common place now.

I agree with the anon who says keep is a background element.

That fight was won in the decades Trek was canned.
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>>13456111
>fat acceptance
I hope not. It's fucking canon that humanity have advanced beyond being fat fucks. They'd... have to do it with pot bellied aliens, I guess.
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>>13446283
Can't possibly be worse than Enterprise.
But if it does I really really want to see the trainwreck.
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>>13458919
Yeah, most franchises only have one low bar to beat. Trek has at least two, if not three.
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>>13451701
Please, the Excelsior and Miranda class were made to be shit on in DS9. Also the Defiant was pulling it's punches against the Lakota since they didn't want to fight and didn't use their Pulse Phaser Cannons. Also it took 2 phaser hits to take down a hapless Cardassina platform. It would be nice to see them do more damage, but they always had the most high profile destruction.

>>13458714
IIRC correctly, some soap operas have guy dudes in it now, so it is more main stream.

>>13458886
Basically this, Obesity is an alliment, and it would be pretty screwed up if they haven't created away to just dissolve fat cells in the future.

>>13454581
Nice

>>13454779
Or she just got lazy and let the universal translator do all the work.

>>13458546
They tried to make the helmsmen from First Contact gay IIRC although the actor hated the idea. Also they went and killed him so it was a moot point.

The helm was a death trap for Enterprises run by Picard, didn't at least 5 people get killed who were helmsmen?
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>>13458997
Both the Lakota and Defiant were pulling their punches. Also the defiant did use its pulse phasers.
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I'm watching for the first time, in order of release. Just watched The Naked Time.

I had to pause it because I started crying when Spock started crying about his mother and saying he was ashamed whenever he felt friendship for Kirk.
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>>13461071
>stare-dat 475445.5.55
>still having emotions
LOL FAGET

I cried too ;_;
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>>13461071
yeah spock can bring up some feels
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>>13458631
A symbiote who is in a (fe)male host for the first time and is still adjusting would be good.

>>13458644
It was the first same sex kiss on TV or something like that.

>>13458886
Well star fleet is a paramilitary organization it would be expected for them to maintain a certain physical fitness standard.
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Trek already did fat acceptance
it was the tos movies
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>>13462873
I think the TNG movies did it too
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>>13465164
and the Enterprise finale

so I'm watching Datalore and Lore's all BRRRRRRRRRROTHERing all over the place

has anybody checked the moondub's dialog of that stuff compared to the Japanese dialog of Metal Gear Solid?
That time I wondered about Descent and Ayanami didn't pan out, but I still wonder about possible Trek dialog references out there.
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