Do far-left readers of Nietzsche just flat out ignore chapte

commit suicide twitterfag

>>9936494
Plebs like you never realize that Nietzsche is merely describing something, and that in the same chapter he also includes extreme criticism towards those who decide to live under an aristocratic creed, even arriving at doubting of their mental health.
In real life, Nietzsche was an anarchist.

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>>9936494
>going on social media

Absolutely degenerate

>>9936513
>Implying 4chan isn't social media

I think anyone who tries to find a coherent political ideology in his works is an idiot, but there are ideas in within it that can appeal to a number of different ones.

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>>9936514
>anonymous imageboards where no sort of personal identity is created or showcased to the public with the exception of tripfags

>No friends or acquaintances are made, only discussion with anonymous users are made while posting pictures. Discussion is mainly filled with shitposting

You are somewhat right though. More normalfags have invaded this site since the election so it is barely different from reddit and twitter now in post quality.

>>9936512
I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but would Nietzsche really hold someone's "mental health" against someone?

>>9936513
>he's never made a parody Twitter account with a fake name, location, and email address, and used it to spew outrageous bullshit

>>9936529
loser

How can you fight class warfare/struggle as a libertarian Marxist? If you're a libertarian you value free markets, limited regulations or government intervention, and property rights. How the fuck can you value these things as a Marxist?

>>9936521
I hate social media too, but 4chan is obviously much more "degenerate" than any other social media. Except maybe Facebook itself.

A lot of you people who call things out as being degenerate on here are walking contradictions who basically spend their time hating themselves via anonymous mirrors.

>>9936529
why the fuck would anyone waste their time with that shit? the only social media site that offers even the slightest semblance of interesting discourse is this one and it's extremely limited as it is

Considering Academia twist Hegel into being a Anarchist and Filmer into a Stalinist turning Nietzsche into a leftist icon is one of the more mundane aspects of "new" philosophy.

>>9936494
Nietzsche developed and changed his beliefs over time. Anything can just be justified by selective reading.

>>9936544
that's a specific type of american libertarianism. libertarianism, like socialism, is an umbrella term that just means you hold liberty as a core political ideal. the jacobins during the reign of terror could give a fuck about private property.

>>9936562
>socialism
>hold liberty as a core political ideal

>>9936566
despite your personal bias, socialism aims to create as free a society as possible. you may disagree with a stateless, moneyless society as free but you can't really say it's any liberty.

>>9936576
You've got a very warped opinion of what liberty entails comrade.

>>9936587
not really. is there another definition other than free from personal and social oppression? as I said, you might personally disagree that a socialist society is free but that's not really an argument against it's utopian goals. libertarian socialism is not a contradiction in terms from a lexicographic point of view.

>>9936526
Of course, vitalism is a pretty big point of his prescriptive philosophy.

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>>9936587
Free as in beer, not free as in speech.

>>9936599
>is there another definition other than free from personal and social oppression?
Yes, socialism doesn't consider many liberties we take for granted as being universal to be ideal or acceptable.

>>9936494
I've always had the impression that Nietzsche was not really supporting the concept of aristocracy, rather he was giving a unbiased account of it.
To be more clear: for example when he says that aristocracy is needed to elevate man, he's not saying that the man himself is ascending, rather he is saying that only in aristocratic societies the memory of a man can turn into a myth (he himself though that myths such as the one of Beethoven can't be replicated anymore).
This would not be an endorsement of aristocracy, instead it would be a description of some of the phenomenons that are linked to these kind of cultures (and the phenomenon itself is not valued and judged by Nietzsche).
To me the chapter "What is Noble?" is less about Nietzsche wanting to return to absolute monarchies and more about identifying those foundational aspects of our perception of culture that are now gone (the cultured celebration of the myths of great men is an example). He is basically telling us "Don't waste time with these ideas, for they are impossible to apply to the contemporary Europe, instead try to find, or create, another way".

>>9936606
that's an ideological argument, not a lexicographic argument. this is a literature board right?

>>9936494

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1924/lit_revo/ch08.htm

>It is difficult to predict the extent of self-government which the man of the future may reach or the heights to which he may carry his technique. Social construction and psycho-physical self-education will become two aspects of one and the same process. All the arts – literature, drama, painting, music and architecture will lend this process beautiful form. More correctly, the shell in which the cultural construction and self-education of Communist man will be enclosed, will develop all the vital elements of contemporary art to the highest point.

>Man will become immeasurably stronger, wiser and subtler; his body will become more harmonized, his movements more rhythmic, his voice more musical. The forms of life will become dynamically dramatic. The average human type will rise to the heights of an Aristotle, a Goethe, or a Marx. And above this ridge new peaks will rise.

>>9936620
Yes Reddit, this is the literature board, fortunately though /lit/isn't a analytical board, however this argument might get more attraction on /his/.

>>9936630
sorry, I thought people who read cared about words. my bad. good luck with your bubble.

>>9936494
There are some good leftist readings of Nietzsche, like that of Deleuze and Derrida. I do not think some twitter pseud represents the left's reception of Nietzsche.

>>9936632
>W-Why won't you play my language games!
This is a idealist board materialist scum.

>>9936639
>lives in a fantasy land