ITT List feminine writers with feminine prose and themes None

>>9924078

what's that hair style called?

>>9924159

It's called the My Wife Will Eventually Kill Me cut

what's it mean for a man to be more feminine? esp. as a writer...not disagreeing, or provoking...really just confused

>>9924159
The Horns of the Bull

>>9924327
Indecisiveness and reticence.

>>9924159
middle part

>>9924159
Short back and sides, long on top with a centre parting. Heavy on the wax.

>>9924078
Proust

>>9924331
indecisiveness as a feminine quality - i would consider it to be more of the failure of an genderless quality, and maybe im wrong here, decision-making - but if it's a man whose indecisive perhaps it is different from woman being indecisive - something different fails in a man...but i don't think that lands him in femininity...reticence I grant you, and that's interesting because it's different from a "men dont cry" sort of reticence, instead its adorning your reticence...almost as a diversion

>>9924349
Have you ever asked your girlfriend to choose anything lad?

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also, would you guys say its wrong for men to be feminine? lately my friends, im a young man, are very much into a ultra, almost aggressive masculinity - and i find something mischievous in me which resists this pure, total identification -
this masculine identification is tangled up with nation etc...(yes they're alt-right, and horrible to be around) whenever i think of my friends i think of this oscar wilde quote

>>9924352
haha yea that's true - shopping with her is an afternoon affair where with me its a five minute thing

How is fitzgerald's prose feminine? what the fuck. I would have listed Henry James or John Ruskin

>>9924349
I was more making fun of your post than giving a serious answer.

>not disagreeing, or provoking...really just confused

That's what it means.

>>9924359
I second James

>>9924356
I don't think it's wrong at all for a man to be feminine, but it is distinct. In fact, I would say that in reality (and I may get in trouble with some people here for this part), I believe that feminine and masculine are not necessarily tied to a gender at all. They are just two different personality types, where it happens that the majority of feminine types are women and the majority of masculine types are men.

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>>9924365
>current year levels off the charts

>>9924359
It's pretty.

>>9924365
that is provocative...i'd have to say that definitely they'd be tied to gender, but for some variety or ambiguous eccentricity to exist is fine with me - now the question is, why is that fine? why should men not be men and women, women...this is a question that puzzles me, I believe that they should be but im not a purist...purists kill, they're utopian, I feel

>>9924159
The Report of the Week

>>9924327
>>9924349
>>9924356
>>9924377
will you be my gf (male)

>>9924390
this reminds me - in this our era of strange overblown sex politics, where's room for a meek reader, a "bisexual" fellow who would never announce himself as such, but yet is not ashamed?

>>9924405
remove "but" from that, it's just "yet is not ashamed"

>>9924405
is that a yes, or...

>>9924415
it's a yes!

>>9924417
L O N D O N
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>>9924427
New York

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>>9924365
>I believe that feminine and masculine are not necessarily tied to a gender at all.
>it happens that the majority of feminine types are women and the majority of masculine types are men.
>not necessarily tied to a gender at all

Lmao "it just happens that gendered behaviour based on gender is observable in nature, doesn't mean gendered behaviour is tied to gender though!"

What's it like being so intentionally out of touch that you btfo yourself?

>>9924432
>it is not necessarily tied to a gender
>but it typically is
>not necessarily
I don't see where the problem is. Can you even read anything besides /pol/ infographics?

>>9924356
Read milo faggot. You sound like /leftypol/

>>9924365

I always saw couples as two halves of the same whole, the most traditional pairing being a masculine man and a feminine woman.

As I get older though I tend to notice more 'androgynous' couples where the man isn't overly masculine and the woman isn't totally feminine. For better or for worse they tend to be more egalitarian.

>>9924349
It's a hyperfemine trait from docility. Just like irresponsiblity is a hypermasculine trait from assertiveness

>>9924465
You're a fool. It's biology and universal social constructs. You need to provide evidence for a ridiculous claim. I can't wait until we have sharia in the west so you faggots can live in fear again and I won't have to hear this poisonous bullshit

>>9924495
these things sometimes seem impossible to know - and even if we accepted the large sweeping scientific and historical claims, it'd still be strange to make judgments about individuals on that basis...i think hearkening back to "caveman times" might be too simplistic, or be a study in confirmation bias - although i agree w you about those traits

>>9924502
I.e this tantrum here. Over exaggerated assertiveness makes you irresponsible and hence you look like a child instead of a man.

>>9924078
So Fitz, James, Mishima. Who else?

>>9924525
my diary desu

>>9924515
or not impossible to know, but difficult to apply - in an age where there's more ambiguity about the emphasis on gender

>>9924515
We can know of some broad traits because we can study how society expects the genders to act. Women are socialised, for instance, to do the communication work in the family. Think about how much time your mum speaks to your relatives on the phone compared to your dad. It's not to say these are immutable and inherent but just that st this time there are traits that are attributable to gender.

>>9924519
He's right though. Weak people like yourself need to be culled. You shouldn't even exist in the first place. If there is, and I hesitate to say this, one potential good in a future Islamic Europe and white minority America whites will be forced to fight their way out of, it's that your kind will not make it to the other side.

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>>9924546
>referring to yourself as he so it looks like people agree with you
Nice

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>>9924519
lmao dodged the agrument like you dodge the responsibilities of manhood

>>9924546
Hypermasculinity won't return with Islam. In Arabic and Persian cultures it's masculine to hold hands with other men and grow/arrange flowers. It's gay in these cultures to get swole and show off your muscules. Either way hypermasculinity will die out

>>9924542
yea I see
maybe it's best to say that there are some inherit differences - and that these are typically built upon, but that now theyre being challenged, for whatever reason - i hesitate to say though that the society wholly creates the woman...or maybe the concept of a social construct has just been ruined for me by the far left

>>9924484
unacknowledged, tempered, practical post

>>9924550
oops ya spoke to soon, better luck next time kiddo

>>9924552
I think you're confusing me with another anon. You never gave me an argument. I was just using that post to illustrate why unregulated docility/assertiveness is bad

>>9924525
This guy >>9924559

>>9924557
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You must have no concept of how nature works. You are an aberration existing in a rare time of plenty at the end of a degenerate and dying empire.

>>9924567
Two different people. You (you)d me only once

>>9924567
im in good company

>>9924570
It's true. Go to Kabul or Tehran for yourself. You'll see men holding hands and Persian flower arranging by men

>>9924382
underrated

>>9924570
explain exactly why he's wrong, i want to know your line of thinking

>>9924572
I was adding this >>9924573 kind fellow to your list
Easy mistake.

>>9924559
Social constructs are the only traits we can know for certain. Until they find the docile gene which reproduces at a larger rate in women than men then inherently biological gender traits are a bit hard to falsify

>>9924575
That's not the part I'm arguing with. I'm well aware that low status inbred men fuck guys, but they also rape white girls and will thus have to be removed.

>>9924577
Explain why masculinity isn't going to die out? Surely I shouldn't have to entertain such a stupid proposition.

>>9924587
What you call masculinity and the current conception of masculinity acted out in a hyper way are two different statements. I understand anti intellectualism is good for trad men but please learn to read better

>>9924587
he isn't saying it'll die out, i dont think. i read it as him saying that a large part of what we consider to be naturally masculine, or feminine is constructed by a society, and anyway if thats your reading of it, yes entertain such a stupid proposition, you're on a terrible thread on 4chan, you've got time

>>9924078

Scott... easy on the drink.

>>9924592
There's no difference, you fool. Masculinity is a natural state. Hypermasculinity is a heightened state of that brought about when, say, inbred arabs start taking over your neighborhood as is happening in Europe. The opposite of what you're saying is going to happen. But I know you're some sick delusional twink who watches tranny porn. You aren't normal, nor is what you think normal, even if our present culture tells you it is. Like I said, you are an aberration brought about through circumstances that won't last much longer.

>>9924598
I think this is actually a pretty good thread all things considered. There's a debate, but it's actually a bit civil (or at least professional) and somewhat related to the OP.

>>9924598
It's biological. Are you guys really this stupid? Your sex was not constructed by society, that's absurd. Things have been the way they are for millennia, you think these kooky ideas that have come out just recently are going to change that? Please...

>>9924078
Henry James. There's an old joke about Edith Wharton was a masculine version of the former.

>>9924078
Herman Bang
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Oscar Wilde
Alvaro de Campos (pessoa)
Kafka

>>9924603
A natural state? Prove it. Which gene(s) are the masculine ones? And at what rate to they reproduce in males compared to females? Also you have no idea that Arab masculinity is quite different to your masculinity. Just like the Greeks, it's not gay to have pederast relationships with the other things I mentioned. I also don't watch porn so eh

>>9924611
i don't accept that it was constructed by society - but I do think that a lot of what is synthetic is passed for natural. the other guy seems to say that your statements about bio are not falsifiable

last Q, what would you say that natural foundation can/should mean to a contemporary person, who is somewhat estranged from nature...though nature does often reassert herself

>>9924405
Go for Gore Vidal

>>9924603
A natural state? Prove it. Which gene(s) are the masculine ones? And at what rate to they reproduce in males compared to females? Also you have no idea that Arab masculinity is quite different to your masculinity. Just like the Greeks, it's not gay to have pederast relationships with the other things I mentioned. I also don't watch porn so eh

>>9924525
I was gonna say Isherwood, but I reckoned his tone is more bitchy and objective, as opposed to the definitions put forward in this thread.

>>9924484
>>9924331
Good posts, reddit gold for all of you

>>9924611
If masculinity has not changed from all that time then you must be a faggot for not taking a prepubescent boy and fucking him and raising him to be a real man then or were ancient Greek men not masculine?

>>9924615
You live in Marxist fairyland. I'm sorry this was done to you, and that you are so weak that you don't understand where the ideas you believe in came from and why they're being promoted. You couldn't in any other time in history than right now, and right now won't last forever, so enjoy it. Hope you can see the origins of these lies and change one day.

>>9924616
There's just a natural state. I fell into these Marxist traps too, everyone does. But when you mature you realize this stuff is simple. Men and women are very different and that's good -- that's how it's supposed to be. I guess I don't know what you mean by "estranged from nature" though ... are you just a guy with low T whose confused? If so, you would feel much different, and normal, if you started lifting weights and getting your T levels up with zinc etc. There are a lot of reasons why men don't act like men anymore, why we've been weakened, but there are countermeasures that are better and healthier than simply accepting it.

>>9924636
Every society can fall into degeneracy. The Greeks don't excuse your degenerate behavior and sick attitude.

>>9924639
Ahh so only 20th c. Masculinity is not degenerate, gotcha. I'm also waiting for your biological proof btw. Put up or shut up. Volkicsh spirit isn't proof anon.

Linguistic experts, who have studied this, believe that becoming a masculine or femine man generally depends upon the environment you grew up in. Think about it, if you're brought up by a caring, squeaky-voiced mother whom you grow to deeply admire, then you're much more likely to emulate them, even down to details such as voice and mannerisms. That's why someone like Gore Vidal, who was actually born in Westpoint and read to blind senator grandfather, could be the type who had assfucked hundreds of dudes by the time he was twenty-five and still act like a Roman patrician. By contrast, someone like Truman Capote was brought up, I believe, by a single mother, so it's not that surprising that he would act as he did fully grown. It's not a gay or straight thing- you can be straight as a ruler and still shamelessly mince around- it's an upbringing thing.

>>9924647
Oh and I'm also saying there are very clear differences between men and women and that's only bad in their extreme as per my first post so your muh Marxism memes won't work here

>>9924637
I tend to agree w the common thought that you forward here, the "just is"...I would classify myself as manly enough...however as I say, I do think that as rule men are men women women, and ought to behave as such, but i do not seek to squelch exceptions to rules - in short, i dont hate the gay, and i don't think aggression is one of the more sanguine elements of masculinity, even if in its passive and condescending mode, as you apply it

>>9924653
Human psychology is much less simple than you make it out to be. Of course enviroment is relevant, but you're not going to turn out the way your primary caretaker did.

>>9924656
and if we accept masculinity totally let's remember that we accept the human man, a deeply flawed creation - don't make an idol of masculinity - masculinity to an end...Aristotle etc You-die-moaning-yah?

>>9924647
The biological proof is in everything. You need to accept that you are a degenerate freak justifying perversions a corrupted society has normalized to broken people. What threat are you in this state? That's why you were made into what you are, because you pose no threat as a low T beta weirdo who babbles about pseudo science online and justifies squeezing what little testosterone you have out of your dick 5 times a day. Only you can make the decision to change. Start taking zinc and crawl out of your perverted hole. You know it's not natural and you know it's not right so fix yourself.

>>9924664
>babbling about pseudo science while criticising someone else for doing the same

>>9924666
Biology is not pseudo science, as much as you want to pretend it is.

>>9924664
That's right, you got no proof because they haven't been able to find gender specific genes. Your done. Nice try though.

>>9924669
Actual biology isn't. Your understanding of it is.

>>9924669
I'm asking for biological proof. So we're talking about the same science buddy

>>9924670
All of your genes are sex specific, that's why everything about men and women is different. Who are you kidding here? I hope you don't really believe this stuff. You need to accept that something is wrong with you and try to fix it. Maybe I'm being harsh, I don't know what kinds of issues you have, but I know you are dwelling in some bizarre reality that allows you to justify your behavior and imbalances. And it is sad that we live in a sick society that now encourages this shit.

>>9924678
Then link the science.

>>9924670
>>9924673
>>9924674
I don't think you understand how biology works. Do you have a penis? Then you're a man. Do you have a vagina? Then you're a woman. That's how this works.

>>9924682
Lol you have no idea what we're talking about huh? Gender traits aren't explained by genitals. Just like addiction traits are explained by genitals. How does a penis affect behavourial traits? If it's that simple then link the genetic studies to back you up.

>>9924660
I know. I was just trying add to the argument that there isn't a camp gene.

>>9924682
he's more socratic than marxist - he's asking why your assumption valid and you can only come up with "because I assumed it, and so did everyone else"...even if you're right you've got to understand why you're right in a more articulate way

>>9924684
So you have a penis but think you're a woman? Is that what we're dealing with here?

>>9924684
>What is hormones

>>9924686
There most certainly are, the same way there's an angery gene which have been bred out of horses and bred further into some dogs.

>>9924688
No ... this is the end result of Marxism. It's people thinking that things are whatever they want them to be, when things are just the way they are.

>>9924689
No. I think I'm a man. We're dealing with you having no proof and projecting or some shit. No one has denied men and women are different. Behavourial traits are not the same discussion as gender debates you retard.

>>9924695
no...it's a fairly fundamental principle of the socratic method - question everything, especially those things that "just are" justice just is justice, truth just is truth, you think that would fly by socrates?...c'mon man, take some T, read some socrates, understand your assumptions, which can be a validating process, so that you don't do them the disservice youre doing them now

>>9924697
If you get pumped full of estrogen you're going to act like more like a woman, but that doesn't change the fact that you're a man. And if you really think you're a woman due to such an imbalance, natural or not, then you're probably mentally ill. This is not complicated.

>>9924695
Why are you on lit if "things are just the way they are"? I thought reading was for the curious. Is this the volk power lvl? Very underwhelming if so

>>9924674
ESTROGEN = WOMEN
TESTOSTERONE = MEN

>>9924704
Link the science.

>>9924703
We're talking about cultural abnormalities that have been caused and justified by Marxism. That's at the root of this.

>>9924706
I'm much more well read than you are. You are a confused child justifying a modern cultural abnormality and mental sickness present in a small percentage of a population.

>>9924710
ESTROGEN = WOMEN
TESTOSTERONE = MEN

>>9924707
Again link the studies that show that estrogen and testosterone mutate behavourial traits. I know there is an addiction gene, I know there is a can't taste corriander gene. Show me the gene or collection of genes for gender behavour

>>9924720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3030621/

>>9924720
>studies that show that estrogen and testosterone mutate behavourial traits

Okay, I'll play ball. You're asking for a study that shows having different levels of testosterone / estrogen affects behavior? That shouldn't be hard to find if so.

>>9924711
You would have forced that hemlock on Socrates. He went after things much higher than gender

>>9924714
It's not modern. Greek men fucked kids. Aztecs had gay relations until puerbty. Ancient Japanese had Hein culture. Persians have always held hands with the same sex. Yet all was considered masculine and not gay. We'd call them faggots in our modern society though

>>9924726
No, I'm asking for how those change behavourial traits as in genes

>>9924525
Mishima's prose is not feminine nor are his themes. Homoeroticism does not equal feminine.

>>9924730
Are you really justifying pedophilia?

>>9924733
Why would they change genes? They're hormones with levels that vary depending on ones sex, which is biological and determined by genes.

>>9924730
Alright, if you want to fuck little boys, you're gay. And you're a mentally sick freak as I initially determined you were. Whatever the extent that may have occurred at various points in history, it was definitely only engaged in by a tiny portion of the population and was likely not in any way considered acceptable by most. You want to fuck kids because someone fucked you when you were a kid, which is why people like you deserve horrible punishments for trying to justify your behavior and create more perverts like yourself.

Gayness really is spread by gay male molestation, isn't it?

>>9924739
Because genes are what make biology immutable. If they can't be changed but hormones can then gender isn't immutable. No I'm saying your idea of degenerate and masculinity is new and mine are in keeping with history and biology. If you want to say gender is immutable then you have to prove it because that's an extreme claim

>>9924753
>Gayness really is spread by gay male molestation, isn't it?
No, that's a disproven myth.

>>9924757
>Because genes are what make biology immutable. If they can't be changed but hormones can then gender isn't immutable
This is backwards logic. Your sex is biologically determined at birth. Having different levels of hormones can make one more masculine or feminine but it doesn't change that biological state.

>>9924753
>was definitely only engaged in by a tiny portion of the population and was likely not in any way considered acceptable by most.
But this is wrong you retard. Aztecs, Papua New Guineans, Greeks, Romans, even parts of renaissance Europe, found it either fashionable, expected, or normal to have sexual relations with boys and or other men.

>>9924770
So gender is not immutable. Thank you, that's all I've been saying. Glad we got there in the end

>>9924777
No they didn't and you know it. It has the same general stigma today as it always has. You're a fag who wants to molest little boys and make them gay because that's how gays repopulate themselves. You don't have any right or justification for molesting other people's children, you disgusting freak.

>>9924784
There's no such thing as gender. There is sex and there are two kinds, but there are mentally ill people who are confused about that because of hormonal imbalances.

>>9924790
Ah huh. Sure thing buddy. Just bcoz you saiz so

>>9924787
>No they didn't and you know it.
Wrong though.
>It has the same general stigma today as it always has.
Wrong though.
>You're a fag
;)
>who wants to molest little boys and make them gay
Wrong though
>because that's how gays repopulate themselves.
Definitely wrong though.
>You don't have any right or justification for molesting other people's children
You think anyone disagrees with that claim?

Sadly, retardation isn't a reportable offense.

>>9924796
Bcoz nature says so. Modern cultural retardation, not so much.

>>9924800
It sounds like you don't disagree with that claim. Gays are attracted to young boys and molest them at very high rates. You aren't fooling me by pretending you're different, though I'm sure you're wise enough to not admit such a thing on the internet. You are a genetic dead end trying to justify your perverted existence and desires. Just don't fuck any kids up like someone fucked you up.

>>9924820
No nature says quite the opposite but you've yet to supply any proof for your claims so it's just your word against history, biology, and literature im afraid

>>9924825
That some gay elites normalized pedophilia in the past does not justify your pedophilic desires; that Marxism tells you words can mean whatever you want them to mean doesn't change how nature made those things; and that people write about this or that doesn't change the reality of it either. You are a sick freak who is attracted to children and therefore trying to justify or normalize that, when you should really remove yourself from society. I really hope you are never allowed to come into contact with children.

>>9924850
Only intelligent post in this thread

>>9924820
Sounds like you realize you're just making shit up to feed your knee jerk reaction because you were touched as a kid or something.

>>9924850
I'm married brruh. You got your anons mixed again because you accuse everyone of pedophila huh

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>make this thread as a joke because of the other one
>go to sleep
>wake up today and eventually get back to /lit/
what exactly happened in this thread lmao

>>9925969
STOP PRETENDING TO BE ME

>>9924587
>Surely I shouldn't have to entertain such a stupid proposition.
You type like you're a lawyer in a 2007 flash game. Have fun withering out your life force with these thoughts. Such small thoughts which will possess you.

>>9924664
>start taking zinc
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
*inhales*
HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA

Rape your mind some more with post-industrial ""masculinity"".

>>9926007
holy shit you go verbally smashed and thats your comeback? low t male in need of some zine indeed...