>makes sense to me criticisms? what other anthropological

I've never read it but Jared Diamond has been posted enough that I know he's apparently very Eurocentric in his thinking and deliberately ignores non-western cultures and civilizations unless he's using them to compare to the "superior" western civilizations.

>>9907357
>what other anthropological theories counter this?
Try Kevin McDonald's Culture of Critique series, where he proves that Guns germans and steel is a jewish lie

>>9907357
It's written by a Jew so it's full of environmental determinist distortions and ignores important aspects of race. West Hunter has been taking this book apart recently if you're looking for criticism.

>Jared Diamond notices that early development of complex civilizations had ongoing consequences: peoples that developed such things way later or not at all continue to do poorly today, even if they encountered Western technology and technologists several hundred years ago. “We see in our daily lives that some of the conquered peoples continue to form an underclass, centuries after the conquests or slave imports took place.” p 25 ” Yes, the transistor, invented at Bell Labs in the eastern United States in 1947, leapt 8,000 miles to launch an electronics industry in Japan – but it did not make the shorter leap to found new industries in Zaire or Paraguay. The nations rising to new power are still ones that were incorporated thousands of years ago into the old centers of dominance based on food production, or that have been repopulated by peoples from those centers. Unlike Zaire or Paraguay, Japan and the other new powers were able to exploit the transistor quickly because their populations already had a long history of literacy, metal machinery, and centralized government. The world’s two earliest centers of food production, the Fertile Crescent and China, still dominate the modern world, either through their immediate successor states (modern China) or through states situated in neighboring regions influenced early by those two centers (Japan, Korea, Malaysia, and Europe), or through states repopulated or ruled by their overseas emigrants (the United States, Australia, Brazil). Prospects for world dominance of sub-Saharan Africans, Aboriginal Australians, and Native Americans remain dim. The hand of history’s course at 8000 B.C. lies heavily on us.” p 417.

>Some economists have noticed this same pattern: Was the Wealth of Nations determined in 1000 BC?

>This is not what his overall theory would lead us to expect. If people in New Guinea or the Mato Grosso are smarter than Europeans or east Asians, or even just the same, why can’t they adopt (and then go on to advance) new technologies? Yet they haven’t. Why aren’t people in the Democratic Republic of the Congo building particle accelerators? Even if they’re too broke right now, they could be sending theorists, mathematicians and physicists, off to CERN. All they need is chalk. Yet they don’t. Neither does the African diaspora.

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/

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>>9907397

>It's written by a Jew
>It ignores important aspects of race
>Plugging your own fucking wordpress website

I want pol to leave

>>9907390
>Jared Diamond has been posted enough that I know he's apparently very Eurocentric
The exact opposite is true.

>>9907412
Well put, Jared Diamond goes in broad strokes into every continent and some cultures specifically. He's surely more "liberal" in his commentary as well.

>>9907393
>the omnipotent "jews"
thanks, ill look into it nonetheless

>>9907426
stop baiting

>>9907442
I don't recall the Culture of Critique going into GG&S, but the former is still a very important book, our Tel Aviv troll aside.

Why is it okay to write that New Guineans are innately smarter than Europeans? Why did this book become a bestseller when it's clear that Diamond is a racialist who doesn't believe we're all equal?

I mean, it's a really problematic argument that could offend those who identify as European.

>>9907357
Modern sociology puts way more emphasis on accessibility and tribalism in systems of governing and economics.

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>>9907397
>The world’s two earliest centers of food production, the Fertile Crescent and China, still dominate the modern world
>Fertile Crescent
hmmm....

>>9907455
t. ju-male kekold

>>9907390
>>9907412
geographic determinism is largely viewed as eurocentric in contemporary anthropology. its too close to attempts to justify european imperialist and nationalist claims that europe is the peak of human greatness. contemporary anthropologists try to describe what factors influenced the way that a civilization developed without necessarily speaking why any one is more "civilized" or "primitive" than any other.

>>9907476
the implicit assumption of GG&S is that any race, european, asian, african, etc which was given european conditions would have thrived and that any race, european, asian, african, etc which was given african conditions would have struggled.

>>9908273
Which is why the discipline is viewed as a complete joke these days.

>>9908280
>these days
Either way Diamond's book was only really celebrated by plebs. He failed to even try to engage with contemporary thinkers and work so his book is more or less just his own fucking opinion.

>>9908283
I meant it's been a joke since Boaz (also jewish) imploded it and elite universities (largely run by jews) outlawed any talk of racial differences. I read guns germs and steel a long time ago and thought it was interesting. Now I realize what a joke it was because I understand why jews promote exactly what Diamond did. The idea that Europeans would think of themselves as unique and be proud of that along with their accomplishments is frightening to jews, so they make up lies to tell us it was just a fluke and that everybody's the same. Needless to say, it's this type of disinformation and ideology based on non-truths that is creating a lot of social problems in the west these day.

>>9907390
Are you retarded? You sound like you'd slurp Diamond's rectal expulsions up, since his whole argument is that western civilization only came to be through geographic happenstance, and not through any sort of ingenuity or superiority unique to Europeans.

>>9908324
>jews run the academic system
>diamond's work was laughed at and mercilessly destroyed by academics
>jews push diamond
It's like you don't even care with your effeminate attempts at bait

>>9908331
Guns germs and steel is one of the most talked about non-fiction books ever written, are you retarded? You didn't prove it was laughed at and mercilessly destroyed, you just claimed that. So much criticism has come out in the 2000s that I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case now given how off it was, but the greater ideology it was trying to represent and was mostly just a follow up to remains as in effect today as ever.

>>9908335
>but the greater ideology it was trying to represent and was mostly just a follow up to remains as in effect today as ever.
Please learn to write, or better yet go back to your containment board.

>>9908335
>one of the most talked about non-fiction books ever written
Talked about by fluoridated plebs like you who suck the cock of whatever ideology appeals to your preconceptions. Diamond is a fucking hack and it's precisely because he did not bother to engage with any recent cultural anthropology. This would be like trying to write a history of the Arab/Indian peoples using sources from 1850 and whatever bullshit you thought up while jerking off. Exclusively.

There was no "agenda" being pushed, just the same crap that always happens with this plebian shit. One ignorant asshole publishes a load of shit work and all the other ignorant reviewers lap it up because it's accessible (because it is wholly lacking in any actual substance) so it's lauded far and wide. Meanwhile the actual academics-oh wait i'm sorry, the actual (((academics))) are lambasting Diamond and trying to explain how everything he says is completely wrong. But because mindless ideologues like you can't see nuance from nookie, you just lump two very vocally disparate groups together and slap the jew label on for good measure because you literally can't be bothered to do even the most basic amount of research into a topic that has you so ass blasted you'd think it fucked your mother and then shoved it's big black dick down your throat telling you to call it daddy.

>>9908400
Nothing grammatically incorrect there. You must have reading comprehension problems in addition to those hindering you from understanding basic realities about the world.

>>9907357

I would normally suggest avoiding this guy, but after watching the video debunking this book as racist, and feeling overwhelmingly confused as to just wtf they were talking about, he debunks it pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvaRcDvGPck

>>9908407
You're jewish, aren't you? I can tell. There absolutely was an agenda in line with the anti-white, cultural relativist ideas jews routinely promote in white nations. Diamond's not the first to do this. Look at the venom you spew when people bring up jews, though, those tribal instincts kicking in. You have the sickness. I sense it through the screen, you absolute psychopath.

>>9908441
10/10 troll i bought it right up until this post. Teach me your ways fampai.

>>9908463
You're Mr. Cool Guy now after that show?

>>9908476
I just admitted I got taken on a wild ride, since when is stating "i fucked up and got made a fool of" cool?

>>9908478
Little confused here. How'd you get taken for a ride?

>>9907397
>It's written by a Jew
/pol/ is always right. It's always the kikes.

>>9908483
By you, big guy

>>9907357
He is fully ignorant of the spanish conquest of America to the point that i actually think he's retarded (he's probably following an agenda, but still).
It's a pop-sci book, and Diamond isn't an anthropologist nor a historian, so don't trust anything he says right away.

>>9907357
>makes sense to me
How experienced are you in the field? Don't fall into the trap of thinking a book is right simply because you don't know personally know enough to prove it wrong. Well actually DO fall into that trap, but keep reading more ad proving yourself wrong endlessly, never accept the first smart answer as the actual answer.

>>9908221
He's referring to the Jews, man
He's a cheeky guy kek

>>9907357
diamond is one of the biggest fucking hacks on the planet

he ignores domesticable species, genetric drift, population replacement, anthropological theory that accurately predicted 10k years of human movement, etc

he really deserves to hang

>>9908598
>(he's probably following an agenda, but still).
This book is nothing but agenda. He starts with the (wrong) belief that every group of people that has ever existed are equally intelligent and the only reason one group would dominate another group is because they got lucky.

>>9908694
it should be noted he doesn't even have an accurate understanding of classical evolutionary mechanics let alone newer polygenic models

>>9908279
Define "European conditions". Europeans weren't exactly "thriving" for a good number of centuries.

>>9907357
It's shit.

He does not delve deep to the root of it all. Geography.

>>9908331
Jews often push two contradictory things at the same time to different audiences so the goy is always wrong.
>push the BBC meme
>also say that the BBC meme comes from racists who want to animalize black men

>there are no racial differences
> but Jews are smarter because of evolutionary pressures

>nazis are bad because they are violent
>it's ok to be violent towards them even if they are peaceful

>>9908441
Obvious

I agree with the book in general but it doesn't excuse crap cultures today or justify mass immigration or any of the stuff that leftists claim. But I agree with the gist of it.

It sums up why I dislike non fiction. It is an information dump, not something to be read through.

>>9909131
According to Diamond the Greeks became a strong civilization because they lived in such a fertile and forgiving area.
In truth he does nothing to address why Japan, Greece and early Persia who all had shitty conditions, became great and most peoples who live in earthly paradises have never accomplished anything, with the exception of India.

>>9909386
At the very least read a summary of why the book is scientifically wrong

>Why aren’t people in the Democratic Republic of the Congo building particle accelerators?
LOL

Anyway you know who else believed in environmental determinism? Adolf Hitler. Google "blood and soil."

>>9909388

Summarise it here pls

Tasmania, Australia is in one of Jared's temperate zones but the Tasmanian Aborigines didn't even know how to make fire.

>>9909415
Nah that is impossible. Humans evolved to digest cooked food, that is one of the reasons why our jaws got way smaller compared to primates.

>>9909423

Thats why they had to make sure the fire never went out, they carried hot embers around.

>>9909423
you are retarded. this is documented

>>9907426
>if they disagree with me they're probable a nigger sent by da jewz!

>>9909293
Nice job generating epicycles for your self contradictory theory. I still don't buy it.

>>9909131
I'm not a proponent of Diamond, I'm just trying to present his argument as he believes it.

>>9909159
Confirmed for pleb illiterate. Geography is a huge point of Diamond's work.

>>9909431
Sounds like a cultural bottleneck desu. Something happened in the distant past where the people who knew how to make fire were lost (possibly in an accident in which they burned to death?) and the rest of the tribe focused on maintaining fires over learning to make fire. Of course this is just as baseless as Diamond's work. Guess I should write a pulitzer prize winning book.