What are the pitfalls of writing my political manifesto/my diary

>Antifa
Better idea, instead of role playing as a communist revolutionary, how about you role play as Werther in the second half of the book.

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>>9905477
>French antifa

Pah, whatever you say buddy

>>9905487

Werther died because of the patriarchal system depicted in the book. Telling of western civilization.

>>9905477
Wow, Chloe looks like THAT?

>>9905477
creve, ordure.

>>9905518

La neutralité dans le conflit de classe à venir n'existe pas. Ne deviens pas un autre esclave de la pensée dominante bourgeoise.

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>>9905477
The whole world will know that you're a pseud.

>>9905536

I work at the Assemblée (parliament) thanks to the French people who voted Insoumis during the legislative elections. I will of course write under a pseudonym.

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>>9905540
I work there too, anon. That doesn't mean that you're not a pseud.

>>9905540
>Les Insoumis

Absolutely disgusting, your leader is not worth much more than a Trump or Farage

>>9905551

Resorting to namecalling shows the vacuity of your own thought process.

>>9905555

He isn't our leader if not one of our current representents. We don't need a lap to sit on.

And even if he was our leader, his intentions aren't racist, homophobic or islamophobic like Trump's or Farage's.

>>9905540

>politics games
Your narrow mind must be so partisan, I pity you.

>>9905561

How hard it was for him to make the difference between a social democrat and a fascist though

>>9905503
He killed himself because the woman he liked was fucking some other guy. His were a purely human series of emotions that existed independent of his social system. And this is the problem with your ideology: you think that conditions that are inherent to being a human being are caused by particular socioeconomic conditions.

>>9905561
>And even if he was our leader, his intentions aren't racist, homophobic or islamophobic like Trump's or Farage's.

>forgets to include islamophobic, non-binary-phobic, misogynist, ableist etc

You're a fucking bigot nazi no better than those who were at Charlotesville.

>>9905568

Social democrats are just capitalist trying to distribute some crumbs to the populace. If the Weimar Republic taught us something, it's that social democracies lead to fascism.

And this is not acceptable.

>>9905576

> includes islamophobic
> complains there isn't islamophobic

J'ai mal pour toi

>>9905477
>antfa poster is such a low-test cuck that he fetishizes muscular women
what a fucking surprise

>>9905583
Tbh, the very fact that the entire French nation hasn't converted to Islam, is islamophobic. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Daily Reminder that the French supported the Nazi regime.

>>9905578

As a french fellow, I feel ashamed that people with your state of mind work at the assembly.

How poor are you intellectually to resort to a banal criticism of capitalism to defend yourself. Holy shite dude open your eyes.

You certainly don't want to kill capitalism, it is the only thing that has been working quite well for the last 70 years. I may understand you would want to improve it, regulate it, whatever, but your simple assertion is frightning me.

Holy shite dude, you work at the assembly. Where's your brain at ? Comparing Weimar to France 2017 ?

>>9905595

Capitalism has transformed the human experience into a grinding machine that only allows happiness and self-actualization to a select few. We work towards bringing the end of this dread to everyone.

You're basically trying to use the anecdotal evidence of the Trentes Glorieuses to prove that capitalism is the only way. We say no.

Altercapitalism is just capitalism under another veil. Lordons and Friots need not apply. Those are just people promoting everything we work against: bringing down the end of state-sponsored capitalism as a social a political system to bring a stateless and classless society of equals.

>>9905611
>society of equals
yikes!

>>9905611
When will utopians like you fucking die off. We've had a century of your fucking rubbish already,

>>9905611
You guys are so funny, always sounding like a text book. You actually sound kind of scary.

Like when your leader said "Je vais libérer les journalistes", I felt like he's going to free them form the burden that is life, with a bullet in the head.

I respect your fight, and I would probably agree over many things over a beer, but it is my opinion that such change, would it happen, would ultimately create more sorrow and pain than simply trying to improve things.

And do yourself a favour, stop sounding like a textbook/marxist drone, I think it is actually good advice if you want to be good at convincing people.

>>9905611
Alienation will come about in any system because hierarchy is inherent to human existence. At least capitalism has made us materially powerful enough that i'm able to communicate with a stranger from France over the internet in my spare time.

If you don't want to feel alienated anymore, dive into culture and religion.

>>9905568
> a social democrat and a fascist
*a social democrat and a social democrat who's not quite as enthusiastic about importing rapists. what a spectrum!

>>9905477
>antifa
Finish high school before starting to worry about the political direction of your country.

>>9905633

> implying hierarchy, because it is inherent in nature, should be uphold in our advanced society

> implying capitalism is the only way to bring texhnological innovation

Come on, comrade. You can do better.

>>9905626
Change has always brought some pain, because the hierarchical structure in place always had said pain transfered to the commons. It may still persist during the transition, but the goal also comprise to alleviate this pain too. I don't agree with executing, driving over whoever I dislike. Unlike fascists.

>>9905633
"Alienation" as classical marxists understood doesn't even exist anymore, because manufactuating is virtually dead in most western countries.

And yet people are still isolated and atomised as fuck, for the reasons you've stated.

Enlightenment Utiopianism has dragged man away from what he truly is. A social, some times violent, being, who needs culture, religion, order, hierarchy and NATIONhood.

Marxists hate "capitalism". I don't care for capitalism either. But destroying "capitalism" isn't even touching the core problem.

>>9905651
> implying hierarchy, because it is inherent in nature, should be uphold in our advanced society'

Yes I am implying that. You fucking idiot.

>> implying capitalism is the only way to bring texhnological innovation

"capitalism" is a fucking meme invented by Marx. Technology is a fucking satanic.

>>9905655

Nationhood is a modern concept besides maybe the Roman Empire and some other ancient outlyers.

Don't bring your own spooks into this equation.

>>9905666
>Nationhood is a modern concept

You're thinking of the nation-state.

>>9905663

Nice bourgeois bait. Go easy in it.

Asking whether human hierarchies still have a place in modern society is a bit like asking if gravity still has a place in modern society.

>>9905651
>implying hierarchy, because it is inherent in nature, should be uphold in our advanced society
What are you gonna do with good-looking people? With strong people? With smart people? With creative people? Forced material equality will just make things worse. Rather than being able to better their mediocre inherent selves through material gain, everyone will just be a slave to their genes.

>>9905671
antifa are the most fucking bourgeois emasculated people i've ever met.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNZ1obcR328

>>9905682

Hierarchy implies power over others. One being taller than the other doesn't imply force or coercion on the other.

Nice try tho. Natural differences doesn't ans shouldn't translate into the oppression of others. It's an easy excuse, however, I will admit.

>>9905684
Actually in their defense, I cannot find anything wrong with being an emasculated bourgeois.
Not much better to be a loud uneducated proletarian.

>>9905693
But we want smart people doing the most complicated things, we would not want dumbo to be in charge.
That would be inequality isn't it ?

>>9905693
No, "hierarchy" suggests status disparities. And status will always absolutely exist because we are not equal. Unless you think that status via inherent biological superiority (which one can't affect) is a morally-superior way to exist than a system where one could at least attempt to better their status through some degree of hard work.

>>9905705

Managing isn't ruling over (with force). The absence of hierarchy and thus force, doesn't preclude gathering and managing, especially by the most capable.

>>9905697
Class-bigotry detected.

>>9905713
Dumbo voted for you. Dumbo voted to be in charge. Dumbo will come at you and will not be happy once he understands that he's not entitled to manage. Dumbo will do its own revolution, it will be ugly.

It is not ok to tell Dumbo everything is possible. Dumbo must value hard work, not the shield of "equality".

>>9905713
The threat of being ostracized functions as a form of natural coercion. The people who "manage" will have power over others because of their privileged position, and they will receive that position due to their status (whether legitimately obtained or not).

There's no Utopia bro

>>9905738

Utopia is semwntically unattainable. It doesn't mean one shouldn't strive towards said utopia. That defeatist attitude and nihilism is what brings fascism and other right-wing, destructive regime. It must be fought against.

>>9905751
That attitude is what brings fascism tho, your dumb metanarratives for a utopia are the cause.

>>9905713
You have the vast plethora of historical resources, philosophy and literature over millennia to survey over, and you refuse to even recognise the basic forces of human society, and prefer the utopian delusions of a German thought up a priori.

You're either a teenager, a troll or a supreme fool. Either way, please get off this board because you're obviously not /lit/material. Even nazifucks have more respect for political philosophy.

>>9905751
Utopia is semwntically unattainable. It doesn't mean one shouldn't strive towards said utopia.

Yes it fucking does.

>>9905751
The solutions to nihilism are culture, religion, kin, and a love of your fellow man that naturally develops when authority and responsibility are pushed down from a central power to the local community you interact with everyday.

>>9905764

So a stateless society. What we advocate.

>>9905751
>That defeatist attitude and nihilism is what brings fascism and other right-wing, destructive regime. It must be fought against.

Marxism promotes historical materialism, which is the bedfellow of the source almost all nihilism.

>>9905770
>muh anarcho-syndicalism
Either you do support a centralized state or you don't. Every major lefty party wants to have it both ways: they claim that they want to localize authority, but they want to introduce governmental programs that would necessitate having a larger central administrative authority.

The biggest problem with the modern left is that the cultural and family ties that actually do bind people together are derided as "reactionary."

>>9905762
You're right. It's pure troll.

I just tried to see if I could replicate Antifa speech.

t. Alt-Right futuro-confederate slaver

Ta gueule Vic, petite pédale va.

>>9905814

That's bait.

>>9905693

It, unfortunately, does.

>>9905666
I usually only lurk but you're a fucking idiot for believing that.

>>9905571

>purely human

pure ideology

re-filtered for continued inanity

>>9906304
Your filter ain't gonna save you from my hot takes

>>9905558
not op but name calling does not show the vacuity of a thought process. Logical error on your part, dumb ass.

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>>9905611

Any other bears can't keep away from the honeypots?

>Those are just people promoting everything we work against: bringing down the end of state-sponsored capitalism as a social a political system to bring a stateless and classless society of equals.

Once you exchange the phrase "state-sponsored capitalism as a social and political system" to the label of humans, your critique may remain justified, but any and all action becomes not only moral reprehensible, but illogical to the purpose of bringing about a stateless and classless society. You cannot chase these so far nameless people that you hate without running with them.

>>9905633
>>9905651
>>9905655

Ah, ether a Stormfront type method of provoking the extreme opposite to rally away from the middle, or a rally of inconsistent crying funnelled into supple fingers that have no owner, at least no owner that can speak without first being told what to do.

>>9905682

These people have no unity, have no sense of pride even within their own diversity. For white supremacists with an ironic sensibility they often remind me of the people they seem to hate. Which is why you might notice that sometimes you have to go along with them for a while before you can get the knife in good. Keep it up, man. The confusion is the purpose, the goal is not the points.

>>9905764
Seriously a good person. I feel like I can begin to walk away soon.
>>9905814
Watch out.

>>9905762
I love you. You're doing great. Hang in there, buddy.

Pure honey.

>>9905477
just out of curiosity, what do you, antifa, think about the flood of muslims in paris? i've visited it 2 years ago and was pretty disappointed, specially around Sacre Cour (sorry if my spelling is not correct)

>>9905477
Unless you have already lead glorious revolution or will be writing about the sheer stupidity of modern politics, please don't.

Generally, if you had to ask 4chan for guidance, nothing you write will be probably of significant worth to the reader.

>>9905527
Dit-il, juste avant de balancer qu'il bosse pour des élus! La définition de la social-traîtrise, c'est toi. La pensée dominante c'est toi! Ton militantisme, il dégouline d'idéologie!

Probablement un ancien MJS/C

Beurk

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>10 percent of all people do 50 percent of the work
>90 percent does 50
>This creates unavoidable inequality
>Cry about the 1 percent having money
>Forget to mention that the 1 percent exists in every single realm of human existence, even the arts, even your own fucking political system has the most hyperproductive people at the top working as an image of your movement and a mouthpiece for its beliefs
>Your solution is not to wonder what causes all these inequalities at every facet of life
>Your solution is to just destroy human inequality
>The top 10 percent will leave because of their capacities as a human being to be hyperproductive
>Left with a shithole of a country working on 50 percent of its capacities
>Your system doesn't allow any form of biological disparities to be created that creates the somewhat favorable societal structures better than being a caveman

All you do is maximize genetic variability by reducing socio-cultural variability, so hope you like seeing the immigrants in Paris you love so much starving to death Pinko.

I live in Bourgogne-Franche-Comté by the way.

>>9909725
Pure ideology

Your use of terms such as 1 percent give you away

>>9909725

t.aynrand

>>9905764
It's too late you idiot, God is dead

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>>9909737
>>9909751
What? I am mimicking what these movements address, the 1 percent having too much money.
Are we seriously going to resort to identity politics now?
For the sake of shutting you up about trying to shove me into your game of anti-dialectical struggle, I don't have an ideology, I don't care, I agree with whatever is pragmatic.

And I think any sane man would agree with the 1 percent having too much money, but it's impossible to escape, it's pareto distribution, it's a build-in feature of human conditioning. To blame that on the oppressive system that it's happening in is to radically underestimate the complexity of having to divide resources properly from the very top and keep it there. It always shoots back up, which is why we have to tax every single month, and why some people suggest doing so every single week.

Marx didn't know how to solve it, Lenin didn't, no Batista movement can, no Ukrainian free-state, no country under capitalism (which is not an entity, but for the sake of argument) can, it's impossible.

>>9909787
So what you're left with is coercing people into equality, which actually ends up amplifying the disparities through genetic variability.

It's hilarious how you're calling me an ideologue though, when you're the one pushing forward an ideology, downright rejecting tools and methods that have been proven to work as dirty tools of Capitalism.

The system you would create would cause so much chaos, destruction, and death you wouldn't even know where to look.

>>9909725
>>9909787
ok, let me just list every potentially unbased premise in your argument, I would go further in depth but i have stuff do, maybe if it the thread is up later

>those 10% are productive because of what they are/do and not because they happen to be where they are
>people only contribute positively to society in exchange for money
>poverty does not keep people from reaching their full potential (creative or otherwise)
>limiting capital somehow means limiting human capabilities in every realm of life
>internationalism doesn't real

Do you think CEOs and managers and owners actually contribute in a non-zero-sum way? Absolutely not, they only jockey for market share with other companies while actual gains come from either the toil of researchers or the occasional genius who does it for love.

>>9909787
>Change is impossible because HUMAN NATURE so stop trying btw i have no ideology
I bet you cum during foreplay.

>>9909918
>those 10% are productive because of what they are/do and not because they happen to be where they are
I didn't say they are solely productive because of what they are, I specifically mentioned that socio-cultural variability plays a vital role as well.
>people only contribute positively to society in exchange for money
Never made this argument, don't believe it either.
>poverty does not keep people from reaching their full potential (creative or otherwise)
Never said this either, Living under Capitalism doesn't create enough jobs for everyone, capitalism is inherently flawed as a system, this is at the very base of modern economics, and nobody would ever deny that unless they are illiterate ideologues.
>limiting capital somehow means limiting human capabilities in every realm of life
I didn't understand this one, care to elaborate?
>internationalism doesn't real
Are you talking about the Neo-Marxist theory of international economic coercion? I don't see your point.

>>9909951
Well I am pretty much left guessing because you havn't developed your argument any further than "genetic diversity is somehow less of an issue in a society where people can exploit people limitlessly than one with checks" which doesnt make much sense me

>Are you talking about the Neo-Marxist theory of international economic coercion? I don't see your point.
no, just that there is no capital flight if there is nowhere to fly to

>>9909933
I said human conditioning, not human nature, leave that argument for the libertarians.

Are you aware that Socialism, Communism, and Anarchism all stem from sociology, and the analysis of human interaction as well and thus human conditioning?

>>9909980
>Built-in feature of human conditioning
That's a real roundabout way to say human nature.

>>9910006
>>>9909980
>>Built-in feature of human conditioning
>That's a real roundabout way to say human nature.

Tell me what parts of human nature are fully escapable then, any form of societal competition of resources, there is pareto distribution, where the topmost part does over half the work. If you believe that this is inescapable, point me to some examples in history.

And of course I'm not advocating that humanity is nothing but human nature, human nature is not a solid structure that cannot change or is not affected by societal conditioning, but societal conditioning in which everything can change is not the only truth either and you would be only looking at one part of a truth if you ignore the importance of human nature.

Human nature has a large influence on our psychology, it steers you in one direction, but does leave you room to steer yourself in a different direction, but that is not an easy task like your ideology makes it look.

There are parts of you that are completely determined by your human nature, like sexuality, which is believed to be entirely biological.

Interesting how quickly blank-slateism emerges in these sorts of discussions.

>>9907822

Muslims are fine people like any group. And like in any group, some of them are just fascists with goals not too similar with the FN. Those are to be fought.

Wide berthing all muslims is just a political manoeuvre by the class in power to divert the blame to a group of people.

>>9905477
>antifa
no one will read it, scumbag