Hasn’t history proven that Marx’s vision of an egalitarian

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Yes, but that won't stop utopians.

Hasn’t history proven that Leonardo Da Vinci's vision of a flying machine is unattainable, inevitably creating a thing that doesn't fly?

>>9862905
We're not talking about flying machines, you dumb fuck.

>>9862905
Nice analogy, but it feels like comparing apples with oranges.

>>9862918
I hope this is bait..

>>9862882
Soviet Union was better than modern Russia though

>>9862882
That was the point, OP. Marx was a jew and jews aren't idealistic thinkers like Europeans, they are tribal thinkers. The whole point of communism was to overthrow the bourgeois, meaning the European aristocracy, using the uneducated masses, so that jews could become the new aristocracy of Europe, unhindered by the native elite restricting their power and ability to operate. And that was the result, don't forget it. Jews don't develop utopian systems like Christianity, communism, and liberal egalitarianism because they believe they will benefit humanity, they develop them because they believe they will benefit jews by selling a message of utopian universalism -- a non-national or non-ethnic based system -- because that's the only system in which jews can operate. Jews sell universalist ideology to the goyim because they know *you* are idealistic and moral and will want to believe, but they are only doing that because they believe it will increase their power.

>>9862962
It really isn't and you clearly don't know anyone that lived under the soviet union.

>>9862967
was marx a real jew though? or a poor jew?

>>9862973
Of course, jewishness is genetic and jews are the most tribal people on the planet -- a tiny group that has remained cohesive for thousands of years -- so they think and act as a collective unit: "Is it good for the jews?"

>>9862882

You haven't read Marx.

>>9862967
Jews created Europe with Charlemagne

>>9863014
Jews bribed Charlemagne to spread jewish Christianity, and while Christianity may have later helped unify Europe during arab invasions and such, it's a major logical stretch to make the statement you did in your post.

>>9862882
That's literally what the word utopia means.

>>9862972
Right, increased substance abuse and decreased lifespans really speak to the benefits of shock-therapy capitalism.

History doesn't prove anything, it just happens.

>>9863036
>trusting soviet numbers
Do you also have a hot take on the gulags?

>>9862894
I kid you not, I just had this exact same captcha.

>>9863037
History proves plenty.

>>9862882
Not really. He asserted from day one that a global and unified revolution was absolutely necessary and that if communism and capitalism were to exist side by side, capitalism would swallow communism.
That being said, he thought the revolution the most likely scenario of success. But gradual socialism (like social democracy) was still in the race. And history seems to indicate that those are more realistic in the long run.

And likely necessary, given technological advancement. Capitalism has no answer to a society where labor necessities are lower than the population. And half-baked welfare-state shit is only a band-aid.

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>>9862882
No, that shit was all Lenin's fault.

>>9862882
No. His historical materialism or in general hishistorism has just been proven to on all too shaky legs. if everything is viewed from an historical standpoint, than everything becomes relative in terms of the present or past standpoint in an historical sense. the circumstances just changed, but what is marx undenieable truth?

>>9862882
Yes